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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Better still. Refuse to play them "
From what I read they did consider that but the potential sanctions for the team going forward ruled that out.. |
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By *ddie1966Man 41 weeks ago
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The two shouldn't ever mix, but, unfortunately they do. When they do, the outcome is always disastrous.
I admire their principles but they should have put their differences aside.
This is, of course, my personal opinion. |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news"
Care to say why they refused? Or just post half a story, as usual?
The reason is they in advance of the game, players and management from the Israeli team accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, so the Irish team refused to engage in the usual pleasantries like exchanging gifts and shaking hands.
The accusations of anti-semitism came in interviews, press conferences and posts on the Israeli basketball website.
Tom, when posting stories like this, please post the full story and be fair. |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?"
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website. |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website. "
Out of interest, what did they say that was antisemitic? |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website.
Out of interest, what did they say that was antisemitic?"
Nothing.
Why did you assume that they said something anti-Semitic? |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website. "
I may have worded that unclearly.
In interviews, press conferences and on the Israeli basketball website, the Israeli team, captain and management accused the Ireland team of being anti-Semitic.
There is no evidence to support these allegations. |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website.
Out of interest, what did they say that was antisemitic?"
Sorry, I’ve just read an article.
It was the Israelis who were accusing Ireland , saying “it’s no secret et that the Irish are quite antisemitic” on their official website before the match.
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website.
I may have worded that unclearly.
In interviews, press conferences and on the Israeli basketball website, the Israeli team, captain and management accused the Ireland team of being anti-Semitic.
There is no evidence to support these allegations. "
Yes, I thought it was the Irish team had posted on their website.
Seems it is the other way round.
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website.
I may have worded that unclearly.
In interviews, press conferences and on the Israeli basketball website, the Israeli team, captain and management accused the Ireland team of being anti-Semitic.
There is no evidence to support these allegations.
Yes, I thought it was the Irish team had posted on their website.
Seems it is the other way round.
I"
It’s the usual effort from Tom, posts half a story, stirring, instead of posting the actual story, a link, or giving a balanced portrayal. |
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
Why? What has the Israeli ladies basketball team done to warrant this?
Accused the Irish team of being anti-Semitic, in interviews, press conferences and on their website.
I may have worded that unclearly.
In interviews, press conferences and on the Israeli basketball website, the Israeli team, captain and management accused the Ireland team of being anti-Semitic.
There is no evidence to support these allegations.
Yes, I thought it was the Irish team had posted on their website.
Seems it is the other way round.
I
It’s the usual effort from Tom, posts half a story, stirring, instead of posting the actual story, a link, or giving a balanced portrayal. "
You can say that again... |
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By *batMan 41 weeks ago
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"It’s the usual effort from Tom, posts half a story, stirring, instead of posting the actual story, a link, or giving a balanced portrayal. "
If you already think this, don't bite. Treat it as entertainment.
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"It’s the usual effort from Tom, posts half a story, stirring, instead of posting the actual story, a link, or giving a balanced portrayal.
If you already think this, don't bite. Treat it as entertainment.
Gbat "
Batty likes to be entertained.
The voice of reason on Fab is the Batster... |
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6 players refused to play against them and didn't and only 1 player from Israel team said they were antisemitic and honestly Israel are 30 places higher than us . also we would of been fined £80000 for not playing and docked points as well . |
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I say well done to them.
The whole World seems to be saying to Israel stop the atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank etc, yet doing nothing constructive about it. Israel itself didn't exist until 1948, when it was formed as a puppet state for the West in the Middle East. And have trod down on the Arabs ever since. So infact Palestin has been occupied since 1948. The Israelis have been persecuting the Palestinians ever since.
I remember off the top of my head, the Black hand salute by black athletes in the 1936 Berlin Olympics. The USA would not participate in the 1980 Olympics, as it was held in the USSR. Then who can forget Apartheid.
I'm afraid as an earlier poster stated, Politics is an everyday thing in one form or another, so can not be separated from Sport. |
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"Plus some members of the Israeli team posted a photo of themselves with an IDF member in full uniform before the game.
Is that an issue ?"
Would it be an issue if the Irish team had a photoshoot with Irish Paramilitaries? After all the UDA & IRA were formed to protect their homeland as were the IDF, and even the PLO for that matter |
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By *eliusMan 41 weeks ago
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"Keep politics out of sport.
How?
Politics is in every aspect of life.."
Nope! Only if you allow it. Let’s see:
coaching … nope
online shopping … nope
cinema … nope
listening to vinyl … nope
walking the dog … nope
cooking, eating … nope
working out … nope
taking out the bins … nope
Nope, can’t see politics anywhere except when I go looking for it. And not shaking hands, personal choice. Is it political, maybe, again only if you want it to be. |
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"Keep politics out of sport.
How?
Politics is in every aspect of life..
Nope! Only if you allow it. Let’s see:
coaching … nope
online shopping … nope
cinema … nope
listening to vinyl … nope
walking the dog … nope
cooking, eating … nope
working out … nope
taking out the bins … nope
Nope, can’t see politics anywhere except when I go looking for it. And not shaking hands, personal choice. Is it political, maybe, again only if you want it to be."
coaching … why does coaching exist? Is it to win, or is it to improve the life, attitude and social ability of the coachee?
online shopping … what is the impact of online shopping on society?
cinema … social and political themes have always existed in cinema. Think starship troopers was a fun sci-Fi jaunt?
listening to vinyl … Music and politics are inexorably linked.
walking the dog … Where do you walk the dog? Open spaces, clean paths, safe streets?
cooking, eating … How does food get on your plate? Where was it grown? How much did it cost to get here? What was the environmental impact of it? How do our eating habits need to change to combat the ever increasing global population?
working out … Why does someone work out? What happens if they’re unable to due to job pressures? What is the impact to society and the economy of people live longer, healthier lives?
taking out the bins … who pays your bins to be taken away? What happens if services are cut? Why should we be more wary of waste?
Politics *is* everywhere oven if we don’t think of it. |
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By *batMan 41 weeks ago
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" Politics is in every aspect of life..
Nope! Only if you allow it. Let’s see:
coaching … nope "
I don't really know enough about coaching to comment. but ...
" online shopping … nope"
What's the VAT on certain types of goods?
Are there laws on what goods can be sold online?
Where do the big companies base their headquarters?
What are the rules for postal deliveries?
All political issues.
" cinema … nope. "
What hours is the cinema allowed to open?
What proportion of their revenue is taxed?
What age can you start working in a cinema?
What films can (and can't) be shown?
Are there age limits on films types?
What happens if a cinema doesn't follow age guidelines for films?
All political issues.
" listening to vinyl … nope
walking the dog … nope
cooking, eating … nope
working out … nope
taking out the bins … nope. "
If you haven't been following my argument, I'll go on, but in a more succinct fashion.
Are there rules on lyrics in music?
Who enforces them?
Are dogs allowed in the children's park?
Does your dog have to wear a muzzle?
What happens if it bites someone?
Eating out? What's the hygiene rating and who checks?
Eating in? What hours are certain sized shops allowed to be open?
What food types are subject to import/export rules?
What food types are subject to VAT or subsidies?
Working out at home? Is your kit subject to VAT?
Can anyone become a personal trainer?
(Just thought of a coaching one, can coaches have previous convictions? If so, what for? Anything??)
Are your bins collected weekly or bi weekly?
Are there laws on when you can put them out?
Are there laws on what they can contains?
Nope! Can't avoid politics in any of those issues, even when I'm not really looking for it.
Was the late Queen deciding to shake hands with Martin McGuiness a personal choice or a political choice?
Gbat
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"Refuses to shake hands with the Israel Ladies team.
Is this just being childish?
It's all over the news
I don’t get it Tom, shouldn’t they be playing netball rather than basketball?"
Well one does wonder... |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Plus some members of the Israeli team posted a photo of themselves with an IDF member in full uniform before the game.
Could of been a proud father "
It was a lady. A killer of innocents..and perhaps proud of it yes |
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"Plus some members of the Israeli team posted a photo of themselves with an IDF member in full uniform before the game.
Could of been a proud father
It was a lady. A killer of innocents..and perhaps proud of it yes "
This lady killed innocents? |
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"Plus some members of the Israeli team posted a photo of themselves with an IDF member in full uniform before the game.
Could of been a proud father
It was a lady. A killer of innocents..and perhaps proud of it yes
This lady killed innocents? "
Cut the bullshit |
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"Plus some members of the Israeli team posted a photo of themselves with an IDF member in full uniform before the game.
Could of been a proud father
It was a lady. A killer of innocents..and perhaps proud of it yes
This lady killed innocents?
Cut the bullshit "
You said this lady killed innocents ...
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"Good on them, they should not have even gone there to play"
6 players didnt but they had to field a team as they would have been fined 80k and banned from the next tournament.
Basketball Ireland said it would set them back years and effect the next generation of players if they refused to play. I think they have to play them again in Dublin too. |
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"Good on them, they should not have even gone there to play
6 players didnt but they had to field a team as they would have been fined 80k and banned from the next tournament.
Basketball Ireland said it would set them back years and effect the next generation of players if they refused to play. I think they have to play them again in Dublin too."
So they took a financial decision rather than an act of principle ? |
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"Good on them, they should not have even gone there to play
6 players didnt but they had to field a team as they would have been fined 80k and banned from the next tournament.
Basketball Ireland said it would set them back years and effect the next generation of players if they refused to play. I think they have to play them again in Dublin too.
So they took a financial decision rather than an act of principle ?"
I think it was more than likely an act of principle totally, the principle being that those who manage and play now are only the custodians of the sport..
They are the ones that inspire others to have a go and may well use that sport as a means to develop..
Therefore the decision to not risk the long term negative consequences that a financial penalty could bring and they made the point they wanted to is probably the right thing.. |
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By *batMan 41 weeks ago
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There’s currently an ex British soldier facing prosecution for murdering innocent British civilians. By the same logic, all British soldiers are bad ‘uns.
However, I do think there’s a lot of casual non essential killing going on just now in the Middle East.
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"Your average Israeli on the street is just a normal person it’s the government and Mossad that are open to criticism. In our way similar to the U.K. or any other country "
Who elected the government? |
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Politics has always been part of sport, anyone remember maradonna's hand of god justification as revenge for the Falklands islands, or the black panther salute at the 1972 Olympics, those athletes despite being the best were never allowed to represent the US again.
To think politics is not related to sport is naive and frankly historically inaccurate. I salute the Irish team for taking a stand for humanity. Much more balls than sunak or starmer. |
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By *batMan 41 weeks ago
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"Your average Israeli on the street is just a normal person it’s the government and Mossad that are open to criticism. In our way similar to the U.K. or any other country
Who elected the government? "
Lots of governments get elected by a minority of the population. They just get the most votes.
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"Politics has always been part of sport, anyone remember maradonna's hand of god justification as revenge for the Falklands islands, or the black panther salute at the 1972 Olympics, those athletes despite being the best were never allowed to represent the US again.
To think politics is not related to sport is naive and frankly historically inaccurate. I salute the Irish team for taking a stand for humanity. Much more balls than sunak or starmer."
A stand for humanity ? |
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"Politics has always been part of sport, anyone remember maradonna's hand of god justification as revenge for the Falklands islands, or the black panther salute at the 1972 Olympics, those athletes despite being the best were never allowed to represent the US again.
To think politics is not related to sport is naive and frankly historically inaccurate. I salute the Irish team for taking a stand for humanity. Much more balls than sunak or starmer.
A stand for humanity ?"
It's a stand against the genocide in Gaza currently under way. |
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"Politics has always been part of sport, anyone remember maradonna's hand of god justification as revenge for the Falklands islands, or the black panther salute at the 1972 Olympics, those athletes despite being the best were never allowed to represent the US again.
To think politics is not related to sport is naive and frankly historically inaccurate. I salute the Irish team for taking a stand for humanity. Much more balls than sunak or starmer.
A stand for humanity ?
It's a stand against the genocide in Gaza currently under way."
Yep.. not shaking hands will really solve than one.. |
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