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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Says the Chief of Policing because we have a very generous benefits system. Only gangs are to blame because people on benefits are so well off. Well Tom has news for him. Many Employed people are stealing too. What's going on here guys? It's all over the news

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

Worlds strongest man again?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

Many do it for years tho...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

Many do it for years tho..."

With the help of cash jobs, food banks and handouts

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By *dmundwilsonMan over a year ago

Llandudno

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

100%

Robbing food adulterating supermarkets is a virtue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Are we half way to anarchy and looting if we ignore shoplifting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are we half way to anarchy and looting if we ignore shoplifting?"

I hope so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are we half way to anarchy and looting if we ignore shoplifting?

I hope so"

I mean (anarchism)

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By *educing_EmCouple over a year ago

Tipperary

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell "

This.

Food and baby items.

Em x

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By *eordieJeansCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

You never see the shoplifters selling steak and Gillette Mach 3 these days.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Come the day of the revolution....

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

We remember back in the day when the tory posh boy portillo accepted the challenge to live on a single mums benefits as the government he served proudly were always smearing single parents and blaming them for just about everything ( including the housing shortage ?? sounding familiar ??) and it didn't end well ! and the sight of a posh boy eating a family sized humble pie was priceless ! but most people who think benefits are to generous might be finding out how generous they are soon though ?

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well my next door neighbour who is on benefits and doesn't work never seems to be short of enough cash to get pissed every day and smoke d we ed and cigarettes.

In fact he seems to be having a jolly old time of it.

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

I'm on UC. I definitely am not flush in any way I am just very frugal. If you live carefully the current system works. I'd like not to have to think about money so much sure, but equally there's lots of others not on benefits who struggle. I don't agree that they are not enough unless you're spunking your money away. They are means tested against any income you have and big outgoings, rent, childcare costs ect. The remaining amount is definitely enough to live on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Come the day of the revolution....

The majority of the population is far too docile to revolt.

Will never happen.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

"Says the Chief of Policing because we have a very generous benefits system. Only gangs are to blame because people on benefits are so well off. Well Tom has news for him. Many Employed people are stealing too. What's going on here guys? It's all over the news"

The countries fucked!! That's what's going on here...

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

Remember, if you see someone shoplifting food in a supermarket, you didn’t.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Almost inevitably, those who create and fulfil the ideologies that affect and impair the lives of those who are vulnerable, at the bottom of society, have no experience of what it's like to be there. Typically the same for those at the top of organisations that implement policies, are similar too. The choices of austerity measures of course hurt the poorer worse than the elites, who were largely those who imposed them. UK benefits aren't generally amongst the most generous of similar nations. It's perhaps no wonder that the UK is one that has some of the greatest and ever-growing wealth divisions in the world. We give too much credibility to the views of the elite, about lifestyles that they know practically and experientially nothing whatsoever.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

These shoplifter buggers meean that prices rise for the law abiding tho..

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By *ichaelsmyMan over a year ago

douglas

i know enough people that are on benefits that make it not worth working and they are open about that fact.

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

Shoplifting is an issue, but 'shrinkage' is when staff steal and that adds more to your food bill than anything else.

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By *orthernJayMan over a year ago

DXB / SG / Thailand Krabi

"Shoplifting is an issue, but 'shrinkage' is when staff steal and that adds more to your food bill than anything else."

So to be clear, you’re suggesting that staff who steal from their supermarket employers (which you’re labelling as ‘shrinkage’), impacts prices more than shoplifting?

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"Shoplifting is an issue, but 'shrinkage' is when staff steal and that adds more to your food bill than anything else.

So to be clear, you’re suggesting that staff who steal from their supermarket employers (which you’re labelling as ‘shrinkage’), impacts prices more than shoplifting?"

Yes, staff taking stuff is the number one issue, and it is termed as shrinkage, and yes we pay for it as we pay for shoplifting.

Feel free to look it up.

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By *orthernJayMan over a year ago

DXB / SG / Thailand Krabi

Reading through posts so far, are we suggesting turning a blind eye to those who are stealing food and baby related food/items?

The inference being such people can’t afford to eat or feed their babies (on benefits or otherwise) and therefore should help themselves?

As for the benefits system, it’s the ‘third rail’ of UK politics, none of them will touch it for fear of death.

In a chronically under employed country (more vacancies than applicants), ask yourself why the UK has the unemployment numbers it publishes (believe the data or not) alongside a benefit system that allows people to simply not work and enjoy an acceptable standard of living!

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By *enSiskoMan over a year ago

Cestus 3

"Reading through posts so far, are we suggesting turning a blind eye to those who are stealing food and baby related food/items?

The inference being such people can’t afford to eat or feed their babies (on benefits or otherwise) and therefore should help themselves?

As for the benefits system, it’s the ‘third rail’ of UK politics, none of them will touch it for fear of death.

People who work also claim benefits, so I see it as employers not paying a decent wage and letting us the tax payer take the strain so to speak.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"These shoplifter buggers meean that prices rise for the law abiding tho.. "

Bollocks. The shops who use that line continue to make massive profits. Shoplifting is simply used as an excuse - and a useful way to demonise the working and non-working class.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Reading through posts so far, are we suggesting turning a blind eye to those who are stealing food and baby related food/items?"

I can't speak for others, but yes.

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By *orthernJayMan over a year ago

DXB / SG / Thailand Krabi

"Shoplifting is an issue, but 'shrinkage' is when staff steal and that adds more to your food bill than anything else.

So to be clear, you’re suggesting that staff who steal from their supermarket employers (which you’re labelling as ‘shrinkage’), impacts prices more than shoplifting?

Yes, staff taking stuff is the number one issue, and it is termed as shrinkage, and yes we pay for it as we pay for shoplifting.

Feel free to look it up."

Shrinkage is the difference between what a retailer thinks they have in stock, according to their balance sheet, versus, what they actually have in stock in reality.

As for staff theft being a larger contributor than shoplifting, well I’ll defer to your greater knowledge and let the debate continue.

I don’t need to look it up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested."

That's more than the benefit cap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested.

That's more than the benefit cap. "

Well it's the correct amount as I recently had to help them fill out some paperwork using their bank statements.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested.

That's more than the benefit cap.

Well it's the correct amount as I recently had to help them fill out some paperwork using their bank statements."

I'd be interested in the breakdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *enelope2UWoman over a year ago

Fife

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

Many do it for years tho..."

Many many do it and they will never work because they know benefits work for them. I know too many healthier and younger than me who've never worked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

Many do it for years tho...

Many many do it and they will never work because they know benefits work for them. I know too many healthier and younger than me who've never worked "

^this

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By *he ass man 666Man over a year ago

paradise city

Shop lifting is shop lifting as always seem to be nicking to order too, unless people really are in that much poverty that they need to rob 20 pairs of trainers and trackys from jds to cloth there family

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested.

That's more than the benefit cap.

Well it's the correct amount as I recently had to help them fill out some paperwork using their bank statements.

I'd be interested in the breakdown."

To help claim more presumably?

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By *entlemanrogueMan over a year ago

Motherwell

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

It depends what type of "Benefits" thry get.

I have a few friends that get PIP and a few other payments and they do rather well.

As a matter of fact one friend told ne yesterday he could live on half of what he gets. He told me he gets £1180 per month and reductions on rent etc.

it may not sound like much, however when you deduct petrol costs to drive to work dally (i pay about 250 a month) stress of getting up, stress of work, not smoking, or drinking it really isn't that bad.

ok they aren't wealthy, but they do have freedom they could staet a business etc as they have excess free time, compaired to someone like me, who is out of the house 5 days a week for roughly 10 hours. a day

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By *inger_SnapWoman over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

Generous? He's obviously never lived on a small fixed income during the cost of living crisis.

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By *BWLOVER1965Man over a year ago

Ipswich

Many people fall on hard times for one reason or another families losing there ability to earn through sickness or ill health read fully the article in question and it’s on about the gangs targeting the stores only my opinion from what I read

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"i know enough people that are on benefits that make it not worth working and they are open about that fact."

Different benefits system on IOM.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"Reading through posts so far, are we suggesting turning a blind eye to those who are stealing food and baby related food/items?

The inference being such people can’t afford to eat or feed their babies (on benefits or otherwise) and therefore should help themselves?

As for the benefits system, it’s the ‘third rail’ of UK politics, none of them will touch it for fear of death.

How much do you think is spent on ‘welfare’ in the UK annually? And how much of that do you think goes on unemployment‘benefits’?

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends what type of "Benefits" thry get.

I have a few friends that get PIP and a few other payments and they do rather well.

As a matter of fact one friend told ne yesterday he could live on half of what he gets. He told me he gets £1180 per month and reductions on rent etc.

Would you swap your lifestyle for the one afforded by £14.160 a year?

And would you be happy to have the disability required to get PIP?

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By *dmundwilsonMan over a year ago

Llandudno

Gratified at the humanity of most here. Decent and indecent at once.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's a deflection piece by a politician to not acknowledge that the cost of living crisis is contributing to shoplifting explosion driven by the need to survive. He blaming it solely on gangs and the drug trade. Hence he said that those in the generous benefits system have no need to steal because they are well off. Instead blame it on drug gangs or funding drug addicts. It's a bit like saying that there is not a knife problem because it's gang on gang...

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By *orny-DJMan over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them. "

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

Is not even need to necessarily it's also wages. I'm in the public sector but it didn't benefit me as a single parent working more so I'm now down to 3 days and on UC and am actually financially better off. I was losing money working more hours. It's a ludicrous situation given my profession is hemorrhaging staff!

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Out if interested, what benefits would I get?

32 no kids male, willing to fake either a mental or physical disability if it helps

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA."

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone who makes the connection between shoplifting and benefits, doesn’t live in the real world.

There’s an increase in shoplifting because the police and shops themselves put out huge public service announcements saying that they will no longer prosecute shoplifters.

In addition to that, most shoplifters are not stealing to feed themselves. They’re stealing to sell the items to make money to feed their addictions or other habits.

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By *uri00620Woman over a year ago

Croydon

"Anyone who makes the connection between shoplifting and benefits, doesn’t live in the real world.

There’s an increase in shoplifting because the police and shops themselves put out huge public service announcements saying that they will no longer prosecute shoplifters.

In addition to that, most shoplifters are not stealing to feed themselves. They’re stealing to sell the items to make money to feed their addictions or other habits.

There's a big increase in shoplifting in the middle classes which may or may not be bc of cost of living. The fact the police do nothing esp if under £100 perhaps makes it more attractive as well as getting one over on profiteering large chains i guess?

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

It depends which benefits.

I personally know someone who's benefits equate to £29,000 PA

They live very well, and annoyingly can always lend me ( full time worker) a little bit if I'm short til payday.

I can provide the breakdown of that £29,000 if anyone is interested.

That's more than the benefit cap.

Well it's the correct amount as I recently had to help them fill out some paperwork using their bank statements.

I'd be interested in the breakdown.

To help claim more presumably?"

More than the zero amount I currently claim? Feels a bit like you're trying to shame me, or people who do claim benefits, Tommy-boy? Alas, I do not currently claim for anything and would not feel bad if I did, or even if I did want to claim 'more'. So your presumption is incorrect.

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

"Out if interested, what benefits would I get?

32 no kids male, willing to fake either a mental or physical disability if it helps "

£368 a month on Universal credit .

My son who was under 25 received £292. His rent was £395 but they paid only £260 housing component. He was expected to make up the £135 deficit out of his benefits. His electricity was a pay as you go meter and was often over £20 a week. He was meant to attend appointments at the benefits office which was in another town involving £6 bus fares fortnightly. He survived with help from myself and the food bank. He got sanctioned as he missed an appointment after telling them he didn't have bus fare. They stopped his benefits completely for two months. He was evicted and became homeless ! He's moved completely out of the area to find work and is sofa surfing.

Anyone that says life on benefits is easy needs a reality check.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out if interested, what benefits would I get?

32 no kids male, willing to fake either a mental or physical disability if it helps

£368 a month on Universal credit .

Anyone that says life on benefits is easy needs a reality check. "

Is that really it? I’ve never claimed anything so I’m clueless

Minimum rent around me is like £600 for a room in a shared house. How would I be expected to survive on that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

Managed for over a year when the governments reaction to covid decimated the industry I used to work in.

Wasn't bad to be fair, enough money to eat (I stayed fat) and pay bills, clothe myself, enough to still squirrel a tiny bit into my savings. Even managed the odd little luxury.

A friend of mine has been on the dole for 10 years or more. He has holidays every couple of years, and is going to Turkey for new teeth this year so from experience, it's not that bad if you (what do they say to blokes on here?) Manage your expectations and your money.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP"

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

Managed for over a year when the governments reaction to covid decimated the industry I used to work in.

Wasn't bad to be fair, enough money to eat (I stayed fat) and pay bills, clothe myself, enough to still squirrel a tiny bit into my savings. Even managed the odd little luxury.

Sounds great, I assume you are still claiming then, rather than getting a job?

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

That’s no excuse to allow you to break the law and steal things that are not yours.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

That’s no excuse to allow you to break the law and steal things that are not yours."

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

Although benefits are enough to live on they are not huge ! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them. "

Not entirely true! Have been there and done it for a year! X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

That’s no excuse to allow you to break the law and steal things that are not yours."

Absolutely ! I would beg maybe but never ever steal! X

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

Your happy with people stealing goods from your local Supermarket I take it? Supermarkets run on very small profit margins, even though the numbers are high in terms of pounds. In percentage term they are very low.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell "

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month

Managed for over a year when the governments reaction to covid decimated the industry I used to work in.

Wasn't bad to be fair, enough money to eat (I stayed fat) and pay bills, clothe myself, enough to still squirrel a tiny bit into my savings. Even managed the odd little luxury.

Sounds great, I assume you are still claiming then, rather than getting a job?"

No. But nowhere did I say it was better or even indeed as good as a full time income. I was suggesting it wasn't too bad and perfectly survivable if you know how to manage your expectations in life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family "

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked. "

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

I just did a fortnight's shop at Big Tesco, £147.36 at the check out. Fuck that.

Self serve it was only £29.62

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By *amie HantsWoman over a year ago

Atlantis

"I just did a fortnight's shop at Big Tesco, £147.36 at the check out. Fuck that.

Self serve it was only £29.62"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry "

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

I wouldn't class our benefits system as generous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though....."

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

People can't live on benefit even though they've earnt it and its so unfair that they have to, i mean the genuine people not the dossers, even the pension is absolutely diabolical you work all your life for £700 a month not good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember, if you see someone shoplifting food in a supermarket, you didn’t."
why theft is theft

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies "

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Is a single family run shop ok? A local chain? A national chain? A multinational? Your ethics lie somewhere between a rich business and you personally, I wonder where precisely? if you indeed know yourself? Which I doubt, you seem ethically very grey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some of these gangs are 100 strong well organised mainly migrants causing chaos. We all pay for this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? "
yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan over a year ago

nearby

Lee Anderson said a cooked meal costs 30p to make, and people should learn to cook.

Elsewhere justeat and deliveroo profits are on the increase, so not everyone is skint and 37% of UK are overweight.

Back to the shopping bill, the biscuit isle is booming at Aldi, baskets are full, but not of 30p Lee’s meal ingredients.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?"

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

Nothing grey about that, your just upset that I won’t budge from my moral standing that struggling family’s matter more then faceless billion pound companies, so your trying your best to be weird about it.

You do know we can just disagree right? You don’t have to pretend like I’m being morally grey to try and win an internet argument you’ll never win, because it’s an discussions about morals and mine won’t be changed when it comes to struggling families

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I'm not uspset at all, you may be projecting there. I'm just asking straight questions you won't answer directly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I'm not uspset at all, you may be projecting there. I'm just asking straight questions you won't answer directly. "

The big retails was my answer, you just don’t want to accept that by turning it into a game of moral inches

Consider my opinion unchanged. If you see someone stealing essentials, no you didn’t

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?"

Yes

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"I defy anyone to try and live on benefits for a month "

You want to be an agency worker who needs to go off sic, as this means you are on half the money an unemployed person is on.

£96 per week is disgusting. o ar the over the conter cold and flu remedies.

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By *ormalfornorfolkMan over a year ago

Norwich

The amount of money lost to benefit fraud is a staggeringly small fraction of the money lost to tax evasion. Like immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Inconvenient truths for the scape-goaters, victimisers and minority-bashers. But life’s not fair and that really suits some people, usually the lucky ones.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan over a year ago

nearby

"The amount of money lost to benefit fraud is a staggeringly small fraction of the money lost to tax evasion. Like immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Inconvenient truths for the scape-goaters, victimisers and minority-bashers. But life’s not fair and that really suits some people, usually the lucky ones."

Govt web says £8.3bn benefit fraud and error.

Tax evasion reported fig is £32bn

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By *ormalfornorfolkMan over a year ago

Norwich

I’ve seen analyses that skew the figures much more than that, but fair enough. Even the official figures of the nation that leads the world in the support of tax evaders show a four fold difference…

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes"

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I'm not uspset at all, you may be projecting there. I'm just asking straight questions you won't answer directly.

The big retails was my answer, you just don’t want to accept that by turning it into a game of moral inches

Consider my opinion unchanged. If you see someone stealing essentials, no you didn’t "
why bring morals into it the shop lifters haven't any so why bother hang the scum I say.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA."

They are actually

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I'm not uspset at all, you may be projecting there. I'm just asking straight questions you won't answer directly.

The big retails was my answer, you just don’t want to accept that by turning it into a game of moral inches

Consider my opinion unchanged. If you see someone stealing essentials, no you didn’t why bring morals into it the shop lifters haven't any so why bother hang the scum I say."

Sorry, you want to kill people who steal from shops?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I'm not uspset at all, you may be projecting there. I'm just asking straight questions you won't answer directly.

The big retails was my answer, you just don’t want to accept that by turning it into a game of moral inches

Consider my opinion unchanged. If you see someone stealing essentials, no you didn’t why bring morals into it the shop lifters haven't any so why bother hang the scum I say.

Sorry, you want to kill people who steal from shops?"

Killing mag be a bit OTT but certainly put them in the village green ducking stool and then the stocks..

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

Curious to know how many shoplifters are actually people who struggle for money. The very few times I saw it happen personally, it's usually looked like well to do people. I was in a Wasabi in Soho. Two guys well dressed, clearly going returning after a party just walked in, took a couple of packed food boxes and casually walked away.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?"

Surely Tom is intelligent enough to see that theft from a large multi-million pound chain is not a direct equivalent to theft from a family home.

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By *ostindreamsMan over a year ago

London

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?

Surely Tom is intelligent enough to see that theft from a large multi-million pound chain is not a direct equivalent to theft from a family home."

It's not straightforward though, is it? If shoplifting gets out of control in one particular branch, the chain will just shut it down and move on. Or the existing shops will have to beef up security and pass the price to consumer.

So normal people end up paying more or people who work in those places lose their jobs as the shop shuts down.

Now I understand the sympathy towards someone struggling to make ends meet. At the same time, we must refrain from justifying this kind of behaviour just because the owner of the shop is rich.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?

Surely Tom is intelligent enough to see that theft from a large multi-million pound chain is not a direct equivalent to theft from a family home."

Theft is theft! And wrong!!x

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"I wouldn't class our benefits system as generous."

It’s a lot more generous than some countries.

Free rent, reduced council tax. Free dental treatment, free prescriptions. Free eye tests, free glasses.

The gas, electric, water, clothes and food bills need to be payed, and that’s not easy.

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By *weetsmellingtreatsWoman over a year ago

Gloucester

A few years back I made a claim for a period of 6 weeks whilst I was between jobs. I had job to go to but start date was delayed due to sickness of trainer. So I had to act as though I was legit job seeking as I couldn’t do with nothing due to circumstances at the time.

I was not able to live on what I got as a single person with no dependents or disability benefit components.

I was entitled to something like £700 which included rent allowance, my rent was cheap at only £500 for the area, but gas, elec, water etc ate the rest. Leaving no money for food. Luckily I could use my credit card for shopping till I got paid but no way could I have managed long term.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?

Surely Tom is intelligent enough to see that theft from a large multi-million pound chain is not a direct equivalent to theft from a family home.

Theft is theft! And wrong!!x"

Nonsense. We're not in Sunday School any more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell "

They don’t run on that small a profit margin, as was discovered during an investigation this year. In addition to that they are making record profits of billions. Way more than enough to cover any shoplifting (not to mention shoplifting is pre-built into the prices we pay anyway)

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

The big retails. Like Tesco whose CEO got paid 4.4 million last year

Grey enough for you? yes, still very grey.

if they make 4.4 is OK to steal? 4.3 isn't? Where precisely is the line?

The big retails. Tesco is the example I gave.

I’m afraid you have a strange set of Morals. You are saying that it’s moral to go to Tesco , break the law, steal something ie take something that doesn’t belong to you and refuse to pay for it because some families are poor????

I agree with the other guy, when do your morals change when it’s not acceptable to steal from a business?

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?"
If you didn't have any food and no options, no money, nobody you could ask to help what would you do tom, supermarkets make billions in profits, just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?"

Yes, and I also help others prepare for their assessments, Mandatory Reconsiderations and appeals.

I know the benefit system inside out, and can tell you first hand that fakery is rife.

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By *illan-KillashMan over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

"I wouldn't class our benefits system as generous.

It’s a lot more generous than some countries.

Free rent, reduced council tax. Free dental treatment, free prescriptions. Free eye tests, free glasses.

The gas, electric, water, clothes and food bills need to be payed, and that’s not easy.

Single man, no dependants less than £400 a month.

My electric bill £90 a month.

Building maintenance £400 a month

Mortgage £1500 a month

Add in food, TV licence, Internet, phone bill etc etc.

Anyone want to buy a kidney?

People who say "benefits are great, look at all the free stuff you get", needs a reality check.

There but for the grace of God.

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By *rith47Man over a year ago

Erith

Generous my arse

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By *isterE ManMan over a year ago

Taunton

" What's going on here guys? It's all over the news"

They are an idiot! Thats whats going on!!

No need lol!! What a joke!!

Some are on a fine line between surviving and poverty, some are addicts, some are just scum.... but there is always a reason.

Usualy they need the food or, the money to feed; themselves, others or their addiction.

You can't simplify a dymanic sitiation to a sound bite!!

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?

Surely Tom is intelligent enough to see that theft from a large multi-million pound chain is not a direct equivalent to theft from a family home.

Theft is theft! And wrong!!x"

This! Of course it’s wrong. Can’t believe what I’m reading here!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I wouldn't class our benefits system as generous.

It’s a lot more generous than some countries.

Free rent, reduced council tax. Free dental treatment, free prescriptions. Free eye tests, free glasses.

The gas, electric, water, clothes and food bills need to be payed, and that’s not easy.

Single man, no dependants less than £400 a month.

My electric bill £90 a month.

Building maintenance £400 a month

Mortgage £1500 a month

Add in food, TV licence, Internet, phone bill etc etc.

Anyone want to buy a kidney?

People who say "benefits are great, look at all the free stuff you get", needs a reality check.

There but for the grace of God.

Agree its not a luxury life of course! But it's a survivable amount x

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By *rauntonbananaMan over a year ago

Braunton

"Are we half way to anarchy and looting if we ignore shoplifting?

I hope so"

Be careful what you wish for…yet another idiotic comment

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By *mf123Man over a year ago

with one foot out the door

I think any person going for a position of power in the community higher up police politicians or that kind of thing should be made to live 1year on only benefits or minimum wage to give them both empathy and test there commitment to that role

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

How do they feel if they are burgled or their own property taken.. ?If you didn't have any food and no options, no money, nobody you could ask to help what would you do tom, supermarkets make billions in profits, just a thought. "

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

Not steal! I'm not a theif! I would beg! Go dumpster diving! To good to go? I'm on state pension (full) due to having worked all my adult life but that's it! £203 a week! And I'm planning the options for when my last 2 daughters leave home! As they earn good money they pay me rent! (Not silly amounts) but when they gone I will have to do something! The 2 good to go bags spring to mind! Amongst other options x"
You haven't been there though so i guess you don't know, when you're desperate desperate measures are needed, sorry but i agree stealing isn't the way to go but food, necessary to exist, is maybe the only way.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"See these shoplifters who take food and goods for free from a supermarket chain

Not steal! I'm not a theif! I would beg! Go dumpster diving! To good to go? I'm on state pension (full) due to having worked all my adult life but that's it! £203 a week! And I'm planning the options for when my last 2 daughters leave home! As they earn good money they pay me rent! (Not silly amounts) but when they gone I will have to do something! The 2 good to go bags spring to mind! Amongst other options xYou haven't been there though so i guess you don't know, when you're desperate desperate measures are needed, sorry but i agree stealing isn't the way to go but food, necessary to exist, is maybe the only way. "

Have been on benefits for a year so yes I do know ! But nope I can never be a theif! No way! X

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By *lymanMan over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?

Yes, and I also help others prepare for their assessments, Mandatory Reconsiderations and appeals.

I know the benefit system inside out, and can tell you first hand that fakery is rife."

If you genuinely occupy such a role then you'd know that 'fakery' is nowhere near as rife as people being turned down for a benefit they should be awarded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?

Yes, and I also help others prepare for their assessments, Mandatory Reconsiderations and appeals.

I know the benefit system inside out, and can tell you first hand that fakery is rife.

If you genuinely occupy such a role then you'd know that 'fakery' is nowhere near as rife as people being turned down for a benefit they should be awarded."

I am aware.

But that wasn't the point I was making.

In brief, it 'pays' to be awarded ESA and PIP rather than work a minimum wage job, and people do do this if they can get away with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Check any pub on a monday mid afternoon ,how many on benefits l wonder. Dodgy fags from abroad ,cheap happy hour beer ,easy peasy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white. "

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Buying shoplifted goods from theives as bad as the theft itself.

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By *londebiguyMan over a year ago

Southport

I'm not and have not lived on benefits and I can easily see that very many people struggle.

These people saying these things are out of touch with reality.

There is no way politicians earning over 86k a year plus expenses will ever understand or care about someone in a situation where they cannot feed their family or pay to heat their home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims."

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family. "

Weirdly enough, one of the most well known moral questions in history is on exactly this topic

“Is it wrong for a man to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family”

Glad you’ve solved it

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Weirdly enough, one of the most well known moral questions in history is on exactly this topic

“Is it wrong for a man to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family”

Glad you’ve solved it "

Yes it is wrong! X

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?

Yes, and I also help others prepare for their assessments, Mandatory Reconsiderations and appeals.

I know the benefit system inside out, and can tell you first hand that fakery is rife."

Then you have very different assessors to around here, where the PIP assessment office is on the first floor, in a building with no lift.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family. "

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Weirdly enough, one of the most well known moral questions in history is on exactly this topic

“Is it wrong for a man to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family”

Glad you’ve solved it "

Is the answer 'as long as it isn't my bread, but the bread of someone better off than me'?

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from "

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Weirdly enough, one of the most well known moral questions in history is on exactly this topic

“Is it wrong for a man to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family”

Glad you’ve solved it "

"Yes it is wrong! X"

Is it wrong to let your children starve to death if there is a loaf of bread next to you that you could give them?

I'm not sure you've really thought this through. (There's a reason it is a historic question.)

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The only people who think benefits are generous, or even sufficient, are those who haven't had to rely on them.

Very true. And many people sometimes find themselves having to do so despite having never thought they'd need to.

I can’t understand why, if it’s such a cushy life on benefits, more people who say that aren’t giving up their jobs to live on JSA.

Because the real money isn't in JSA. It's in ESA, Housing benefit and PIP

Ahhh, so you are saying people are faking disability to get benefits?

Yes

Have you ever had to undergo a PIP assessment?

Yes, and I also help others prepare for their assessments, Mandatory Reconsiderations and appeals.

I know the benefit system inside out, and can tell you first hand that fakery is rife.

If you genuinely occupy such a role then you'd know that 'fakery' is nowhere near as rife as people being turned down for a benefit they should be awarded.

I am aware.

But that wasn't the point I was making.

In brief, it 'pays' to be awarded ESA and PIP rather than work a minimum wage job, and people do do this if they can get away with it."

I thought the points you were making were, firstly, that fakery is rife. As rife is a proportional term it would seem to be inaccurate here. The percentage of those faking (esp. successfully) would appear to be small to insignificant.

Secondly, you made the point that 'the real money is in PIP.' Aside from being a rather crass statement, I would suggest that is inaccurate too. PIP is a pretty darn difficult benefit to get. And those waiting to get it cannot apply for an advance. There is also no guarantee what level they will get, if at all. So, in terms of a return on investment, I'd argue that PIP is not where the real money is.'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big problem with money mules here atm

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Weirdly enough, one of the most well known moral questions in history is on exactly this topic

“Is it wrong for a man to steal a loaf of bread to feed his starving family”

Glad you’ve solved it

Yes it is wrong! X

Is it wrong to let your children starve to death if there is a loaf of bread next to you that you could give them?

I'm not sure you've really thought this through. (There's a reason it is a historic question.)"

As I said before! I would beg rather than b a theif! I have deffo been literally on the breadline many times in the past! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?"
again why morals does it not depend on what they have done.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong? again why morals does it not depend on what they have done."

So something is either wrong or it’s not?

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By *emonochromeMan over a year ago

Peterborough

My experience in dealing with this daily the main culprits were

Addicts

Gangs of Romanians

Gangs of travellers

Homeless people

Kids

Shop lifting in retail is RELENTLESS

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong? again why morals does it not depend on what they have done.

So something is either wrong or it’s not?"
correct as said what as morals got to do with it law says it's wrong it's wrong killing is wrong but I see why some do It but not because of morals.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong? again why morals does it not depend on what they have done.

So something is either wrong or it’s not? correct as said what as morals got to do with it law says it's wrong it's wrong killing is wrong but I see why some do It but not because of morals."

So it’s ok to kill in some circumstances?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

New Deals Buy None - Steal for Free

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from "

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Almost inevitably, those who create and fulfil the ideologies that affect and impair the lives of those who are vulnerable, at the bottom of society, have no experience of what it's like to be there. Typically the same for those at the top of organisations that implement policies, are similar too. The choices of austerity measures of course hurt the poorer worse than the elites, who were largely those who imposed them. UK benefits aren't generally amongst the most generous of similar nations. It's perhaps no wonder that the UK is one that has some of the greatest and ever-growing wealth divisions in the world. We give too much credibility to the views of the elite, about lifestyles that they know practically and experientially nothing whatsoever. "

Eloquently said .. excellent post !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?"

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken."

Yup! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken."

With benefits as they are, if they need to steal baby food, it's on them, they have absolutely fucked up their own money. Benefits are perfectly survivable.

Go round our local council estates and count the pram pushing chain smokers sitting in each others gardens day drinking or wonderingabout with cans of red bull and a regal king size hanging out of their chops..

there's definitely enough money to buy baby food.

How do I know? I lost my job for a year, had to use benefits, my daughter was a baby at the time. Never once came close to needing to turn into a thief to look after her and I wasn't on very much at all compared to those on pip and such. I just had to manage my expectations and my money well. Really simple stuff some can't grasp.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Baby formula is currently cheaper than a packet of fags.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken.

With benefits as they are, if they need to steal baby food, it's on them, they have absolutely fucked up their own money. Benefits are perfectly survivable.

there's definitely enough money to buy baby food.

Yup that's about it! I remember working in tesco when a young mum was at the counter buying cigs her child came over with a pack of sweets ! She said put those back! Can't afford those!

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all. "

No, it isn’t. People are talking about moral absolutes, about black and white, something is wrong of it isn’t. I realise it’s inconvenient for you to answer so could you instead tell me if you believe in moral absolutes?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I haven't read the thread because i am aware of the points that will have been made.

There is NO excuse for a country such as this to have people driven to theft for basic food.

BUT - it doesn't follow that anyone shoplifting should have excuses made for them.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Shoplifting is an issue, but 'shrinkage' is when staff steal and that adds more to your food bill than anything else.

So to be clear, you’re suggesting that staff who steal from their supermarket employers (which you’re labelling as ‘shrinkage’), impacts prices more than shoplifting?

Yes, staff taking stuff is the number one issue, and it is termed as shrinkage, and yes we pay for it as we pay for shoplifting.

Feel free to look it up."

'Shrinkage' is a general term. It doesn't apply solely to staff thieving. Breakages cause shrinkage. Reducing the price of items that didn't sell as well as expected cause shrinkage. Shrinkage just refers to the difference between expected profit and actual profit.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't read the thread because i am aware of the points that will have been made.

There is NO excuse for a country such as this to have people driven to theft for basic food.

BUT - it doesn't follow that anyone shoplifting should have excuses made for them."

I agree.. though I think there were regular shoplifters.. now we have regular shoplifters plus the more desperate people starting up shoplifting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong? again why morals does it not depend on what they have done.

So something is either wrong or it’s not? correct as said what as morals got to do with it law says it's wrong it's wrong killing is wrong but I see why some do It but not because of morals.

So it’s ok to kill in some circumstances?"
no but I see why some do let's say if your child was killed or attacked I could see it happening but not just because he was a billionaire morals don't have anything to do with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken.

With benefits as they are, if they need to steal baby food, it's on them, they have absolutely fucked up their own money. Benefits are perfectly survivable.

there's definitely enough money to buy baby food.

Yup that's about it! I remember working in tesco when a young mum was at the counter buying cigs her child came over with a pack of sweets ! She said put those back! Can't afford those!

I work for my local council and much of my overtime comes from housing, I go in and clear homes that have been vacated ready for the decoraors and other trades to go in and get the property up to standard again. The amount of times you see piles or drawers full of benefits letters, drugs bags, fag packets, booze bottles and cans and childrens toys etc laying about (In one case we found bags of human poo in a cupboard because the toilet was broken and didn't get reported..why? Because they don't want the council coming into their property to mend shit. Embarrassed of their own lifestyle) I would say 70/80 percent of the properties we clear are this way easily. I dunno where people get the idea a lot of people on benefits are just good people trying to make it in life, a huge amount of them aren't, they're just scum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all.

It absolutely is.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong? again why morals does it not depend on what they have done.

So something is either wrong or it’s not? correct as said what as morals got to do with it law says it's wrong it's wrong killing is wrong but I see why some do It but not because of morals.

So it’s ok to kill in some circumstances?no but I see why some do let's say if your child was killed or attacked I could see it happening but not just because he was a billionaire morals don't have anything to do with it."

So in some cases actions you feel are immoral are understandable?

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all.

It absolutely is. "

So you would tell all those soldiers who killed Nazis during the Second World War that they are immoral?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all.

It absolutely is.

So you would tell all those soldiers who killed Nazis during the Second World War that they are immoral?"

Again, nothing to do with the subject at hand. Just derailing the conversation into different moral dilemmas. Straw man. Look up the definition.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Probably one of the easiest crimes to establish the facts for... Chop up the data by age, sex, employment status, etc and then we will know who is shoplifting the most.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"If you see anyone shop lifting food. No you didn’t.

If you see people shoplifting non essentials, you did and you should report it

Shoplifting losses are factored into prices. It drives everyone’s bill up

I completely disagree shoplifting of any description is theft and breaking the law. If you allowed this the end of civil life becomes ever closer.

If your local supermarket suffers massive shrinkage because of shoplifting and staff theft for a period of time the bosses at head office will have no issue in closing the store.

You will then end up with no local supermarket and the manager and staff will loose their jobs. Is this what you wish for?

I’m fine with that if you’re feeding your family.

I’m not fine with that if your stealing luxury stuff to resell

Yup you read that right

Zero issue with people in need stealing to support their family

I bet you'd be a little teensy bit miffed if it was your stuff they nicked.

Yeah, I think we can agree they are very different situations though, as I’m just one person, not a billion pound industry

It's still someone's stuff.

It's always fine if it's not happening to us personally though.....

True. Still don’t care

People struggling hard enough that they need to resort to stealing essentials will always get my sympathy over billion pound, faceless companies

What profit margin does a business have to fall below, for you to consider it unfair to steal from?

Life is shades of grey, not black and white.

if being a thief is moral grey area for you then i don't know what to tell you. Don't get annoyed when somebody worse off than you robs your home though, they're just feeding their family.

Do you agree that killing another person is morally wrong?

That's a straw man and not the same as what we're talking about at all.

It absolutely is.

So you would tell all those soldiers who killed Nazis during the Second World War that they are immoral?

Again, nothing to do with the subject at hand. Just derailing the conversation into different moral dilemmas. Straw man. Look up the definition. "

Bless, if all theft is wrong then surely all killing is wrong, that’s how your morality works isn’t it? Unless you’re incapable of understanding that same concept can be applicable to different situations?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Lots of things are judged as morally "wrong". Theft is one. Killing is one. Coveting your neighbours ox is one.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Coming home from work and finding my dig kicked to death and place ransacked and wrecked not right. You can look at theft in lots of ways ,there is always victims.

It’s very common when struggling mothers steal a little baby food out of desperation to then kick a random persons dog to death so I can fully understand where your coming from

Usually they have to steal the baby food because they’ve brought a packet of cigarettes and there behind a counter so they can’t be taken.

With benefits as they are, if they need to steal baby food, it's on them, they have absolutely fucked up their own money. Benefits are perfectly survivable.

there's definitely enough money to buy baby food.

Yup that's about it! I remember working in tesco when a young mum was at the counter buying cigs her child came over with a pack of sweets ! She said put those back! Can't afford those!

I'd disagree with that! Not a huge amount! Could b each and any one of us have to claim benefits! Most are good people as u say trying to make it in life! As for getting the council to come mend stuff that's an absolute joke! They just don't! They used to! Not anymore! That's for sure! I've lived in council housing all my life! Anything needs mending now I'm lucky I get my son to do it for just the cost of the materials (new taps etc) x

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I dunno where people get the idea a lot of people on benefits are just good people trying to make it in life, a huge amount of them aren't, they're just scum."

Wait till you meet people not on benefits! There's some real wrong'uns there!

I think you might want to consider statistics. And, the fact that you work for you local council (not sure if you mean borough, or Local Authority) means that you are working with a fringe of a fringe of society. Might be a slight loss of perspective going on here. (After all, pensions are benefits, but I wouldn't presume a pensioner was ipso facto scum.)

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By *aGaGagging for itCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Ivory towers.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I dunno where people get the idea a lot of people on benefits are just good people trying to make it in life, a huge amount of them aren't, they're just scum.

Wait till you meet people not on benefits! There's some real wrong'uns there!

Ummm! No pension is not a benefit!!! I earnt my pension working all my adult life !!!!

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple over a year ago

Cumbria

"I dunno where people get the idea a lot of people on benefits are just good people trying to make it in life, a huge amount of them aren't, they're just scum.

Wait till you meet people not on benefits! There's some real wrong'uns there!

Ummm! No pension is not a benefit!!! I earnt my pension working all my adult life !!!!"

Ummm the government classes pensions as welfare, the same as universal credit or Jobseeker’s Allowance, which people also earn throughout their working lives. Pensions are by far the biggest welfare spend, £112.5 billions compared to only £2.2 billions paid to the unemployed.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Fin

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