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It has to be a state of mind.
Otherwise everyone who wasn't born here are adopting a false sense of identity if someone is going to tell them "you wasn't born here, therefore you're not British"
Try telling Mo Farah he's not British  |
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It should be a state of nationality, but it's no longer so clear-cut as it used to be, especially as there is call for dissolving the union between the countries of Scotland and England.
I'm of mixed English-Welsh blood, but I've always proudly considered myself to be British.
Now that there is so much call for Welsh devolution, I feel that I am under unfair pressure to think of myself as either English or Welsh, and I hate it, I don't want to think of myself that way.
Although I live in Wales, and love it, I can't see Wales as a separate country as it never has been. (I read Welsh History at Uni!)
But as I sense that the pressure to make a decision on my nationality is coming only from the Welsh side, my natural sense of resistance makes me just want to call myself English!
Please - I'm British, I want to stay that way and continue to say it proudly!!!
(I will now retreat to my bunker, under a Welsh mountain, awaiting the incoming fire....!) 
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The is the British you need to put on paperwork and the British culture that you feel at home with.
Not forgetting that British culture is made up of myriad mini cultures.
I think feeling British, Welsh, Scottish, English, French, whatever is about feeling at home in that culture and of course the environment in general. |
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"Is it a state of mind? Look at Richard E Grant, quintessentially British, but born in Africa.."
Yes, to a degree.
I have an Eygptian Muslim friend who is more patriotic and British than I'll ever be - so it's certainly possible. |
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"It should be a state of nationality, but it's no longer so clear-cut as it used to be, especially as there is call for dissolving the union between the countries of Scotland and England.
I'm of mixed English-Welsh blood, but I've always proudly considered myself to be British.
Now that there is so much call for Welsh devolution, I feel that I am under unfair pressure to think of myself as either English or Welsh, and I hate it, I don't want to think of myself that way.
Although I live in Wales, and love it, I can't see Wales as a separate country as it never has been. (I read Welsh History at Uni!)
But as I sense that the pressure to make a decision on my nationality is coming only from the Welsh side, my natural sense of resistance makes me just want to call myself English!
Please - I'm British, I want to stay that way and continue to say it proudly!!!
(I will now retreat to my bunker, under a Welsh mountain, awaiting the incoming fire....!)
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Isn't Welsh derived from British (the language) which existed before English?
I'm sure I read somewhere that many fled from England to Wales to escape various invasions and so many Welsh may be more British than the English! |
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Ing means 'people of' - which became Eng. The Ing worshipped the sword in early times in what is now Denmark.
England = Land - of the people - who worship the sword. |
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The English words "Wales" and "Welsh" derive from the same Germanic root (singular Walh, plural Walha), meaning a "foreigner", or "stranger", who had been "Romanised". The Ænglisc-speaking Anglo-Saxons used the term Waelisc when referring to the Celtic Britons, and Wealas when referring to their lands. |
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"Ing means 'people of' - which became Eng. The Ing worshipped the sword in early times in what is now Denmark.
England = Land - of the people - who worship the sword. "
I thought it was Engla land - land of the Angles (Germans)
Although worshipping swords sounds good |
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Being "British" used to mean "Held a blue passport with your name on it"
I was British but also English, my mate but British but also Ugandan.
It was all about border controls and the right to work and travel.
Nowadays a Romanian has more rights here than my Ugandan mate, is this right or wrong, that is another question.
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The question you are NOT asking is the good one.
Can I go to the UK and ignore the UK culture and demand my own native lifestyle?
Can I go to Saudi and ignore the Saudi culture and demand my own native lifestyle?
If you are a yank for instance the question becomes even more interesting, if you hold a US passport but haven't set foot on the north american continent for a decade, you STILL have to pay taxes on your wages... |
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The east coast of present day England and the coasts of present day Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands were connected by the former landmass known as Doggerland  |
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"The east coast of present day England and the coasts of present day Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands were connected by the former landmass known as Doggerland "
Still referred to in the Shipping forecast  |
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Its not so much a state of mind , more like a form of imposition , here in Scotland the british government imposes the largest nuclear arsnal outside of the usa on us , and has us governed by the dregs of the english public school system , so in revenge we imposed gordon brown on them and went and sold all the gold at cut down prices , but it will soon end , 50 years time there will be UK , the fag end of the english empire will have sunk beneath the waves and nobody will mourn its passing |
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The Late Latin word Scotia (land of the Scot(t)i) was initially used to refer to Ireland. By the 11th century was being used to refer to (Gaelic-speaking) Scotland north of the river Forth. |
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"Britain" is most like Welsh Ynys Prydein, "the island of Britain," which is a P-Celtic cognate of Q-Celtic (Modern Irish Cruithne (Old Irish Cruthin), also found in Modern Irish Cruithen-tuath, "land of the Picts."
The base word is Scottish/Irish (Gaelic) cruth, Welsh pryd, "form." The British were the "people of forms,"[5] referring to their practice of tattooing or warpainting
Tribal in origin, P-Celtic speakers called themselves by the earliest known form of British. More anciently, the tribal name is from ancient Proto-Celtic, and most anciently, from words that are Proto-Indo-European.
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Isn't Welsh derived from British (the language) which existed before English?
I'm sure I read somewhere that many fled from England to Wales to escape various invasions and so many Welsh may be more British than the English!"
Welsh is derived from Bythonic Gaelic - passed from the east via the "lower Latin" route along the Mediterranean coast, Iberia and Brittany.
It is quite expressly different from Goidelic Gaelic which entered via the "upper Latin" route of Scandinavia to populate Scotland and Ireland.
"English" is derived from several languages, particularly from the Angles, the Saxons and the French Normans.
But of course, if you debate linguistics, then you can't ignore that one of the principle recent languages used in Wales has been Italian....
It is true that there has been a substantive ongoing movement (not invasion!) westwards into Wales, but that's not surprising when you consider that during the Dark Ages the entire population of the Welsh area comprised fewer people than now live in a small city....
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"Ing means 'people of' - which became Eng. The Ing worshipped the sword in early times in what is now Denmark.
England = Land - of the people - who worship the sword. "
Sorry to be a pedant but thats not quite correct
The "Eng" in England comes from The Angles, a german tribe, who came over in the dark ages, hence "Anglo Saxon".
Saxons were also German.
Anyway, British?
Not sure if I know what British is, perhaps it's easier to define what it isn't.
It isn't a latinate culture (Spain, Italy etc) and it's not really a Germanic culture (errr, Germany, and it isn't a French culture.
I think I am happy to be called British, but please don't lump me with the "Little Englanders" of the likes of the EDL/BNP/WRVS etc....
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"Its not so much a state of mind , more like a form of imposition , here in Scotland the british government imposes the largest nuclear arsnal outside of the usa on us , and has us governed by the dregs of the english public school system , so in revenge we imposed gordon brown on them and went and sold all the gold at cut down prices , but it will soon end , 50 years time there will be UK , the fag end of the english empire will have sunk beneath the waves and nobody will mourn its passing "
Red button pressed....
and most of Scotland is paid for by England, so if we take away the nuclear weapons, and the likes of Rosyth with it, and take our money out of the RBS, you will be left with half a dozen shops selling short bread to Chinese students on the Royal Mile. And Freedom for the Kingdom of Fife whilst I'm at it. |
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There is quite a lot of conflicting info of these origins, I agree ... and here is another ...
The Angles (Old English: Engle, Angle), took their name from their ancestral home in Jutland, Angul (modern Angeln), which has an area in the shape of a hook (Old English: angel, angul "fishhook", anga "hook").
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"Its not so much a state of mind , more like a form of imposition , here in Scotland the british government imposes the largest nuclear arsnal outside of the usa on us , and has us governed by the dregs of the english public school system , so in revenge we imposed gordon brown on them and went and sold all the gold at cut down prices , but it will soon end , 50 years time there will be UK , the fag end of the english empire will have sunk beneath the waves and nobody will mourn its passing
Red button pressed....
and most of Scotland is paid for by England, so if we take away the nuclear weapons, and the likes of Rosyth with it, and take our money out of the RBS, you will be left with half a dozen shops selling short bread to Chinese students on the Royal Mile. And Freedom for the Kingdom of Fife whilst I'm at it."
Biggest load of bullshit ive read in a long time,have never called myself british,scottish and proud of it . |
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