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If our beloved Government has its way the new Communications Bill will authorise the monitoring of all phone calls, emails and internet usage.
So what will my fellow fabstas do when this Bill becomes law? Will Fab disappear over night? Or couldn't you care less?    |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
thats what oppressive regimes have advocated before..
Stasi etc..
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Granted, they have, but the UK govt can hardly be compared to the Stasi can it. (don't answer that).  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The bottom line in today's e-World is that terrorists are using the internet to disseminate information and set up terror cells. Our security services must move with the times if it is to combat these threats and even though I know full well that our govt is probably at the forefront of secret counter espionage using electronic means there comes a time when they hit a brick wall if they can't tap into the general internet and intercept messages.
How this Bill has come about is that is exactly what they were doing anyway but now, because of the govt's aim for transparency, it has to be publicly known that that is what they are doing/intend to do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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but what if you do have something to hide? Like your private life? Your sex life? This is no bodies business but my own and I'd rather keep it that way.
Where does it end? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It never ends only grows more restrictive.
How do you think Tesco know what vouchers to send with your club card points.
If a card is used in the UK, then its collected by the government.
What type of card doesnt matter, just a log of all electronic transactions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They can monitor my phone calls all they wish but it'll not be very interesting unless they want to hear what I say to my Mother and what I'm ordering from the local tandoori take-away at the weekend |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But do you want them tapping into YOUR bottom-line here on Fab? THAT is my question."
If it floats their boat then let them do it - we have nothing to hide by being on here |
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"The bottom line in today's e-World is that terrorists are using the internet to disseminate information and set up terror cells. "
That's a chickenshit response.
How come back in the days of post and the IRA this wasn't justification to steam open every letter sent via royal mail.
It's got sweet fuck all to do with monitoring terrorists, and everything to do with monitoring citizens.
Oh yes, the bill in question only seeks to legitimize what is already going on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do not update certain apps on my phone due to the fact they want to take pics, record video and phone calls without my permission.
I'm not doing anything illegal but that doesn't mean our every move or form of communication should be recorded just for the sake of national security.
Law abiding citizens have a right to privacy.
Its about controlling the masses. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh yes, the bill in question only seeks to legitimize what is already going on."
I was wondering when someone would pick up on that.
Why does the govt want to legitimise what they're already doing and have been doing for years?
Because terrorists can use as a defence in a court of law that the govt obtained information illegally. Unfortunately, for the govt to close that loophole they have to introduce a bill to include all citizens but they know who they want to listen to, and it isn't me and you. There are much bigger fish to fry than a few swingers who like shoving their cocks in places other than their wife's pussy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was wondering when someone would pick up on that.
Why does the govt want to legitimise what they're already doing and have been doing for years?
Because terrorists can use as a defence in a court of law that the govt obtained information illegally. Unfortunately, for the govt to close that loophole they have to introduce a bill to include all citizens but they know who they want to listen to, and it isn't me and you. There are much bigger fish to fry than a few swingers who like shoving their cocks in places other than their wife's pussy."
Pretty sure thats exactly what they told people in the late 1930s Germany & Post war Russia.
We only want to spy on certain groups  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was wondering when someone would pick up on that.
Why does the govt want to legitimise what they're already doing and have been doing for years?
Because terrorists can use as a defence in a court of law that the govt obtained information illegally. Unfortunately, for the govt to close that loophole they have to introduce a bill to include all citizens but they know who they want to listen to, and it isn't me and you. There are much bigger fish to fry than a few swingers who like shoving their cocks in places other than their wife's pussy.
Pretty sure thats exactly what they told people in the late 1930s Germany & Post war Russia.
We only want to spy on certain groups "
Oh Mother!! Jesus.
We're not in 1930s feckin Germany!
Tell you what, let's have unrestricted internet access and have it unmonitored completely. The govt will be totally blind as to what's being said, by whom, to whom.
And when the bombs start going off in London again and people start dying you can smirk comfortably from your bedroom in Bolton safe in the knowledge that your latest attempt in trying to get some bint's knickers off won't be known by anyone other than you. and her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Looks like i hit a nerve then.
Never bothered the Government when the IRA were blowing up pubs etc in the 70/80s.
Think you will find they already have all the powers they need to tap phone line etc.
They just want to know what everyone is doing as its much more simple to control them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone who gets the job of monitoring our mails phone and internet usage will save a fortune on ovaltine. Its mind numbingly dull. On top of that we couldn't give a fuck. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They just want to know what everyone is doing as its much more simple to control them."
If we're just talking about Joe Public how will they be able to control me by knowing I phone my mum everyday and sometimes watch the football on an Arab tv channel? They could monitor me 24/7. They'd learn fuck all let alone enough to control me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone who gets the job of monitoring our mails phone and internet usage will save a fortune on ovaltine. Its mind numbingly dull. On top of that we couldn't give a fuck."
It's done by triggering certain keywords though isn't it. I mean you wouldn't want to talk about Granny's birthday party being a BLAST, and that she NEVER SAW IT COMING, but that it went like a BOMB. Shame about Uncle Bert having a heart ATTACK though.
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This a tough subject the right to privacy verses the right to security.
The way i understand it records of traffic will be kept .ie "who spoke to who and when " ,but the detail will only be available via a magistrate court order having just cause etc.
On the other hand many subversive groups gave up on technology years ago and now communicate person to person .
The issue of eavesdropping on the population is not a new concept,take a look at the questions raised concerning RAF Menwith Hill in parliament,an establishment run by the NSA.
I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
Lets face it if they want to know who is fucking who they only have to read the verifications ..  |
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"Anyone who gets the job of monitoring our mails phone and internet usage will save a fortune on ovaltine. Its mind numbingly dull. On top of that we couldn't give a fuck."
You will, when your smartphone toting child is in receipt of a picture of another kid in the same class, picked up by the wifi at home, because it is child pornography, and that is an ABSOLUTE offence (google it) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This a tough subject the right to privacy verses the right to security.
The way i understand it records of traffic will be kept .ie "who spoke to who and when " ,but the detail will only be available via a magistrate court order having just cause etc.
On the other hand many subversive groups gave up on technology years ago and now communicate person to person .
The issue of eavesdropping on the population is not a new concept,take a look at the questions raised concerning RAF Menwith Hill in parliament,an establishment run by the NSA.
I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
Lets face it if they want to know who is fucking who they only have to read the verifications .. "
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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Lets face it if they want to know who is fucking who they only have to read the verifications .. "
Ah, but ... BUT... if somebody doe snot leave a verification because they did not have a good meet... then they would not be any wiser... So that is not a reliable source |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone who gets the job of monitoring our mails phone and internet usage will save a fortune on ovaltine. Its mind numbingly dull. On top of that we couldn't give a fuck.
You will, when your smartphone toting child is in receipt of a picture of another kid in the same class, picked up by the wifi at home, because it is child pornography, and that is an ABSOLUTE offence (google it)"
Then that's the parent's fault for giving said child said phone and allowing it to use it unrestricted. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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They've been monitoring our calls for years. That's what Menwith Hill has been doing, and the Govt are just making it public (at last!). Also, most US websites are being monitored and I don't know about you but I go on them a lot!
Complain to your MP. Not sure we can do much about it though. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
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Being a swinger, or having an 'unusual' sexual enthusiasm, might be enough to convince a Judge that someone is a security risk.
THAT might be just cause. |
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"The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they succumb to it utterly and can never escape from it." Goebbels
"Propaganda is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. If the means achieves the end then the means is good.........the new Ministry has no other aim than to unite the nation behind the ideal of the national revolution." Goebbels
Computers do the laborious task of sifting through huge amounts of data. There are already huge data warehouses that contain massive super computers that read virtually all emails and monitor phone usage.
As others say, much already happens. What is wrong is that more liberty is being taken away via 'legal' means, due to such changes as this proposal. I will still be using Fab and pursuing my life via the net etc, and voting accordingly, when elections arrive, with liberty being a core part of what I expect from a decent, democratic society.
Terrorists will not use methodologies that are open to easy infiltration, and they typically have funding for better communications technology than most of us do.
My distrust does not stop with governments - the likes of social network sites, most email and internet search engines etc are all too invasive for my tastes. I use duckduckgo, instead of google, for example, as they don't track searches. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone who gets the job of monitoring our mails phone and internet usage will save a fortune on ovaltine. Its mind numbingly dull. On top of that we couldn't give a fuck.
You will, when your smartphone toting child is in receipt of a picture of another kid in the same class, picked up by the wifi at home, because it is child pornography, and that is an ABSOLUTE offence (google it)"
a picture of a clothed kid in class picked up by wifi is pornography? got a link to show that? |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
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Being a swinger, or having an 'unusual' sexual enthusiasm, might be enough to convince a Judge that someone is a security risk.
THAT might be just cause."
You'd think wouldn't you, yet I know thats not the case. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
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Being a swinger, or having an 'unusual' sexual enthusiasm, might be enough to convince a Judge that someone is a security risk.
THAT might be just cause.
You'd think wouldn't you, yet I know thats not the case."
Red sash or lilac? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"............
I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
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Being a swinger, or having an 'unusual' sexual enthusiasm, might be enough to convince a Judge that someone is a security risk.
THAT might be just cause."
Dodgy cloak and dagger MI6 type secretive person thingy: S'cuse me judge, sign this will ya.
Judge: What is it?
Dodgy cloak and dagger etc etc: Oh, it's just a legal thingy to let us tap into someone's email.
Judge: What for?
Dodgy etc etc: Um.. well, he .. um.. likes putting it about a bit.
Judge: Put what about?
Dodgy etc etc: His thingy, y'know, his tool.
Judge: And that's the basis for your intrusion into his life?
Dodgy: Well, he's got a nice bird and I'd like to see her tits. |
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
thats what oppressive regimes have advocated before..
Stasi etc..
Granted, they have, but the UK govt can hardly be compared to the Stasi can it. (don't answer that). "
methinks you have answered that...
clearly not on the whole, but look at our recent history with renditions and implications of torture etc..
we certainly have some within the system who are happy to trample on riights for some in what they perceive to be 'for the greater good'.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
thats what oppressive regimes have advocated before..
Stasi etc..
Granted, they have, but the UK govt can hardly be compared to the Stasi can it. (don't answer that).
methinks you have answered that...
clearly not on the whole, but look at our recent history with renditions and implications of torture etc..
we certainly have some within the system who are happy to trample on riights for some in what they perceive to be 'for the greater good'.. "
Strangely, I don't have a problem with some scumbag being tortured for information when his sole intent is to blow up innocent people. I figure that if it stops him and his ilk from accomplishing their task then the ends justifies the means. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nice to see so many people that care about how the government treats others.
Electricians executed because they thought he looked dodgy with a bag.
Guy in bed the shot because they thought he was someone else.
How many sent to be tortured abroad because the Yanks asked us to.
Lots of innocent people confess to anything if they think they are going to die if they dont.
If you trust our Government then dont complain if its your friends/relatives they accidentally shoot, next time they cock up with their intelligence gathering. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum |
"............
I think it can work as long as the independent safeguards are in place and protected by law,being a swinger would not be just cause to open the traffic.
............
Being a swinger, or having an 'unusual' sexual enthusiasm, might be enough to convince a Judge that someone is a security risk.
THAT might be just cause.
You'd think wouldn't you, yet I know thats not the case.
Red sash or lilac?"
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
thats what oppressive regimes have advocated before..
Stasi etc..
Granted, they have, but the UK govt can hardly be compared to the Stasi can it. (don't answer that).
methinks you have answered that...
clearly not on the whole, but look at our recent history with renditions and implications of torture etc..
we certainly have some within the system who are happy to trample on riights for some in what they perceive to be 'for the greater good'..
Strangely, I don't have a problem with some scumbag being tortured for information when his sole intent is to blow up innocent people. I figure that if it stops him and his ilk from accomplishing their task then the ends justifies the means."
in the minds of some there may well be a case for that with an imminent attack due etc but..
most of the guys we have rendered and had other friendly states torture to answer our questions have turned out to be innocent..
been some large payouts and more to come..
lowering ourselves to the level of terrorists to 'fight terrorism' only serves to be a win for them..
propoganda wise and in the lowering of our standards..
has'nt stopped us before though.. |
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We as UK citizens have been monitored for years. Spoken word recognition in voice comms, keywords in email exchanges, its not exactly hot off the press news
What else do you think the spooks at Menwith Hill, Irton Moor, Cheltenham, the place near Stoke, the underground installation at Caversham Park have been doing to keep occupied |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Is that why you've got pics on your profile with the face blurred out? 
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No, it's because my wife insists on it. Next question. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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most of the guys we have rendered and had other friendly states torture to answer our questions have turned out to be innocent..
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It's not actually been possible to prove a charge against 'most of the guys we have rendered'.
That's not the same thing as turning out to be innocent.
A bit like Not Proven in Scots Law. |
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