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By *annessa OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Denham |
Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
There's also a bit more to it in regard messaging and your internet history if the link below is the same thing?
Apple are considering pulling out of the UK as UK Gov want easier access to messaging. So rather than have one rule for the UK and one for everywhere else they are considering ceasing UK operations.
There was also something worrying about UK Gov wanting 12 months of website history - for some reason.
"The government has opened an eight-week consultation on the proposed amendments to the IPA., which already enables the storage of internet browsing records for 12 months and authorises the bulk collection of personal data"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256081 |
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By *eliusMan
over a year ago
Henlow |
Nope! Like FIFA why provide a simple easy to understand solution when we can complicate the fuck out of it. It was proposed years ago to give all adult sites .xxx domain identifier. That way a parent or guardian could take steps to block them….. easy
However, what about apps like Snapchat? Not considered an adult content site - but it bloody well is. |
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age.
Driving licence would though "
Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope! Like FIFA why provide a simple easy to understand solution when we can complicate the fuck out of it. It was proposed years ago to give all adult sites .xxx domain identifier. That way a parent or guardian could take steps to block them….. easy
However, what about apps like Snapchat? Not considered an adult content site - but it bloody well is."
Agreed! The .xxx would make it easier to put a safety filter in. Agreed also on snapchat. Its a lothesome app - sexual content, bullying its ‘safety’ features are crap. |
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Not entirely happy about this. The Internet is a valule tool against tyranny and thus I'm generally a little guarded over anything where a State seeks to control it or very has easy access to information on how people are using it. However it's a double edged sword and it also makes it risky especially for the young and vulnerable. It is too easy for the young to access adult content. I feel better reading that you can use alternatives to bank cards such as driving licence number.
Obviously where there's a will there's a way. Maybe see a resurgence of the buying/swapping of CD's/DVD's and/or grotty mags like it was in my day. Obviously I doubt anything on floopy disk though.
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
Every rule can be circumvented, but it’s still worth having them.
You can break into my house, but I’m still going to lock the door when I’m out.
I don’t think credit cards are available to under 18s, so that’s a sensible first line of defence.
If they use a parent’s card, it will show up on a statement and an then be challenged, so there’s another safety net.
I think it’s worth doing.
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It's yet another way that this government has proved themselves clueless and wasted tons of our money  . We've already paid for adult content internet restrictions, so that should be enough, leaving it in the hands of parents and internet providers.
I use adult websites, so would use a card, if forced to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have seen many versions of this and understand the logic but not sure how it will be controlled.
Will twitter and tiktok be considered adult sites with some of the content you can see there. |
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It's not going to happen. There will be months and years more "consultations" with government money going to "organisations" to make reports (translation: tories embezzling by giving away money to their own people). Telecoms and internet companies will begrudgingly go along with EU legislation and US legislation because those markets are too large to lose, and the costs to comply can be amortised over whole continents. The UK will not get to have it's own private arrangements, we're a little pissant country now with just about zero global influence. Last heard on this bill was that if the UK demands anything extra or different from the EU, then Microsoft, Apple and Google will just cease operations here. I'd give it about 1 day of total standstill on all internet use, which basically means all industry and finance, and the government would suddenly find a reason to reverse. Probably blame it on immigrants or something.
I'm sure that they will evenually put through some sort of bill, but surprise surprise it will be in all essential respects identical to either the EU or the US legislation.
Taking back control = having to follow what the big boys say, and not even having a seat at the table any more. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times. "
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times.
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
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It probably should be the parents responsibility but that can be very hard to police if your teen is not in your visibility 100% of the time. |
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age.
Driving licence would though
Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport..... "
A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
I'd do it for this website as I now have a credit card.
Other websites would depend on what I need them for.
I have a betting account I haven't used a credit card on plus the lottery app I've not had to verify my age. |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
Southend, Essex |
"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
I find with these things that it is always an overwatered compromise. And that maybe for the best. But it never goes far enough to give protection to those requiring it (i.e.companies copyright) but falls well short in a acheaving their goals which then potateally creates unintended problems or loopholes, in an technological environment they is changing every 2 years or so. |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
Southend, Essex |
"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ?
I find with these things that it is always an overwatered compromise. And that maybe for the best. But it never goes far enough to give protection to those requiring it (i.e.companies copyright) but falls well short in a acheaving their goals which then potateally creates unintended problems or loopholes, in an technological environment they is changing every 2 years or so."
P.s. I'm not against it, I don't know enough about the bill in just going by experience of the recent changes in the EU millennium act in the US. |
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This bill will likely collapse, it’s all hot air & bluster right now trying to get votes.
It won’t protect kids, it won’t stop people from accessing content, all it’ll do is expose us to further risks of our ID being taken. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times.
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
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When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them.
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age.
Driving licence would though
Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport.....
A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it"
It does, but then sites are going to have to scrutinise the evidence in great detail, whereas you HAVE to be over 18 to have a credit card in your own name. Is the likes of Fab going to devote so much time to scrutinising driving licences to check DOB? I doubt it very much. |
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"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age.
Driving licence would though
Not every adult has a driving licence though. Only 1 of us does. You can drive at 17, so doesn't prove over 18 either. Not everyone has a passport.....
A uk driving licence has your date of birth on it
It does, but then sites are going to have to scrutinise the evidence in great detail, whereas you HAVE to be over 18 to have a credit card in your own name. Is the likes of Fab going to devote so much time to scrutinising driving licences to check DOB? I doubt it very much. "
It'd be extremely expensive to do on scale, I think. It'd be bad for business.
I'm not saying children should be looking at adult content, but I think this bill and its various iterations has been badly thought out and would be difficult or impossible to implement. |
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
Bad news for anyone over 18 who can’t drive and has poor credit. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"Bad news for anyone over 18 who can’t drive and has poor credit."
Bad news for the 15 year old me. At least in those days you could find abandoned porn mags down the park or in your uncle's stash.
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"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times.
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
It probably should be the parents responsibility but that can be very hard to police if your teen is not in your visibility 100% of the time."
We paid £billions for UK internet to have children restricted from adult content. If parents are not using this huge public money investment, then any further investment will go the same way. It's the responsibility of parents to do this. |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
I remember a few years back. Chatting with a couple who had purchased a new desktop computer. They could not login . Son aged twelve had set up. I and someone else on site. They were using a fab friends laptop to ask about problem. Between us who couple were chatting . Found son had set up desktop to block parents out from using. This is big problem for some
parents ? , as no knowledge of setting up etc.
If some kids do not know a work around , there will be a friend that does. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
Like OF |
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
Yes. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
Southend, Essex |
"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable "
OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it. |
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By *oxesMan
over a year ago
Southend, Essex |
"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable
OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it."
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Fact is it will only happen with sites that people can earn money from such as OF the government couldn't give a fuck about legal age the world is all about pushing the agenda of underage especially the people at the top controlling the government.. so there you have it this site won't be affected as it's non profitable
OF is a brush company which unlike other sites means the government potentially had greater control over it."
Because it creates revenue my point proven |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times.
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them.
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You are confusing privacy and security. Two very different things. People hide behind the exude of security when it’s really privacy they value
But why do people want to keep bank balances , medical records and political views as secrets from others ?
But back to viewing porn which is what this bill is about. If everyone could see what you viewed, if it was public information, would it change what you viewed?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Soon, this bill is going to become law, and it will be the responsibility of ‘adult’ websites to protect their content from minors.
The only way to do is to verify your age and it is claimed one way to do this is to give your credit card or possibly driving licence details over.
Will YOU be doing this ? "
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The existing systems "should" be enough. They don't require "setting up" as they are switched on as a default... you need to ask your ISP to turn off the Adult Content Blocks.
As for viewing encrypted messages, there is no suggestion that "just anyone" would be able to view your Encrypted messages (whatsapp, messenger, etc), the requirement is the the police & security services could request that they are unlocked in compliance with a Court Order granting access... we have already seen the US try this and been refused by all suppliers.
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Once again the nanny state we now live in is taking even more responsibility away from the parents who "should" be the first line of defence.
But parents aren't allowed to be parents anymore ,their hands have been tied up.
Content filters on home broadband, content filters on mobile phones....
But no little Jonny will kick off and go to social services claiming emotional abuse just because they have been told NO.
Then the parents are under the microscope purely because they are trying to do what parents should.
I've said it before the pendulum had swung too far away from discipline ( I didn't say smacking before people get their knickers in a twist) kid's pretty much can do anything they want with little comeback.
So I think this law is nothing but a tick box exercise for people in power to say that they have done their bit.
Large social media platforms need to do a hell of a lot more than this.
I'm not even going to start about tik tok. |
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I have already had to provide verification by photo ID to join some webpages and to share adult photos on others.
To me it is a very positive step both preventing minors using these sites even if they do not appreciate it and preventing others getting involved with them and also reducing the amount of fakes and scammers.
We have ID cards in Spain and it makes life safer and simpler in reality. Biometric cards managed by Policia Nacional linked to your fingerprints and photograph.
Its only a problem if you are doing stuff you shouldn't. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"It's been "soon" for the past 5 or more years.
VPN, problem solved. If they ever get around to introducing it. They keep failing because they know they can't effectively enforce it the way they want while still being able to pass the bill. It's been reworded god knows how many times.
I get that it’s impossible to regulate the World Wide Web and even harder the dark web and this will fail miserably , but they have to try and do something about the content reaching minors.
I think a better way would be to criminalise parents who don’t prevent it. There are existing laws giving access to ISP log files anyway. They could also criminalise VPN use.
The utilitarian in me wonders what valid reasons are there for online privacy anyway ?
If everyone could see what you browsed would it change your browsing behaviour? Why ? Because you know it’s wrong and are ashamed ?
When you have the idea that passwords, medical data, banking, protests, political inclination, even law suits are talked about or browsed, I'd like to think there was privacy between me, myself and those receiving, not spurious third parties forming ideas or gaining information that has no bearing to them.
You are confusing privacy and security. Two very different things. People hide behind the exude of security when it’s really privacy they value
But why do people want to keep bank balances , medical records and political views as secrets from others ?
But back to viewing porn which is what this bill is about. If everyone could see what you viewed, if it was public information, would it change what you viewed?
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There's little difference in the two.
If names, faces, addresses, personal finance, health data and political inclination were mere arguments of privacy choice; Police in NI would be cool, the Capita hack wouldn't have an ongoing investigation, 20 NHS Trusts wouldn't be under investigation for a simple facebook pixel. The facebook / Cambridge Analytica saga would have been just another well run election.
Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious. |
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Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious."
There's a huge difference between decrypting and reading every message that everyone sends, and getting access (via a court issued warrant) to the encrypted emails of a suspected Terrorist, a drug dealer, or Boris Johnson, for the purposes of crime prevention or prosecution. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
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Playing devils advocate is one thing, but a Gov wanting to grab personal messaging and histories is pretty nefarious.
There's a huge difference between decrypting and reading every message that everyone sends, and getting access (via a court issued warrant) to the encrypted emails of a suspected Terrorist, a drug dealer, or Boris Johnson, for the purposes of crime prevention or prosecution."
Agreed, though it doesn't mean they are not trying, as linked above, with Apple putting up a fuss in not allowing access. |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
"Plus if you paid by card that does not prove age.
Driving licence would though "
That's assuming only adults with driving licenses watch porn; non drivers don't have the time nor energy as they are either still out walking or too knackered from walking to watch porn. |
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