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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
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I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?  |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Yeah. Sounds hot |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah. Sounds hot "
Oh... it is. Sweaty too  |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah. Sounds hot
Oh... it is. Sweaty too "
I'll bring a towel  |
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By *eliusMan
over a year ago
Henlow |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Yeah, let me just fire up the Lear Jet. Shit! Forgot it’s having its wings waxed! |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah. Sounds hot
Oh... it is. Sweaty too
I'll bring a towel "
Good call! Clothes peg for the nose too if I were you  |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah, let me just fire up the Lear Jet. Shit! Forgot it’s having its wings waxed!"
Aww man! Story of my life  |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah. Sounds hot
Oh... it is. Sweaty too
I'll bring a towel
Good call! Clothes peg for the nose too if I were you "
I'm hard. I can cope  |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
So that's what FAF means?! When even urban dictionary doesn't know this meaning of the abbreviation, it's hard to figure out. And it seems to be particularly common in the forums for some reason! |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Yeah. Sounds hot
Oh... it is. Sweaty too
I'll bring a towel
Good call! Clothes peg for the nose too if I were you
I'm hard. I can cope "
My hero |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
So that's what FAF means?! When even urban dictionary doesn't know this meaning of the abbreviation, it's hard to figure out. And it seems to be particularly common in the forums for some reason!"
Because it gets said so often and the long version is SO many letters |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"No!
But I got all dressed up in my trackies and coffee stained vest for you "
It is all too much to handle, first Lilith with a moustache and now you dressed like that. A man can only get so erect before it breaks. |
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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago
Sandwich |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
I am sure that 25 minutes in your company would be entirely entertaining, whatever state you are in. Apart from incapacitated  |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"No!
But I got all dressed up in my trackies and coffee stained vest for you
It is all too much to handle, first Lilith with a moustache and now you dressed like that. A man can only get so erect before it breaks. "
You are so welcome |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
I am sure that 25 minutes in your company would be entirely entertaining, whatever state you are in. Apart from incapacitated "
I mean... I've got Cards Against Humanity... that could be fun too |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Only 3 weeks? I can plait my leg hair
J x |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Only 3 weeks? I can plait my leg hair
J x"
I'm so jealous... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
My kinda woman |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
My kinda woman "
Score! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
My kinda woman
Score! "
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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"Ok but I'm not sleeping in the damp spot again!!
I'm so sweaty it's all damp spot "
Ooh be like a water bed then and with my hairy legs and yours, it'd be like velcro so no getting away if you changed your mind. |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Oh I love a woman who talks dirty
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Ok but I'm not sleeping in the damp spot again!!
I'm so sweaty it's all damp spot
Ooh be like a water bed then and with my hairy legs and yours, it'd be like velcro so no getting away if you changed your mind. "
The sexy just keeps coming |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Oh I love a woman who talks dirty
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You're welcome |
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By *edeWoman
over a year ago
the abyss |
"Ok but I'm not sleeping in the damp spot again!!
I'm so sweaty it's all damp spot
Same - we can just blame it one each other
This is promising..."
Just get the hairdryer on the sheet and towel down after? |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
Newcastle upon Tyne |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Go on then, if we set off now we should be there in about 12 hours so that is plenty of time for you to walk the dogs, have a nap and comb your leg hair |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Ok but I'm not sleeping in the damp spot again!!
I'm so sweaty it's all damp spot
Same - we can just blame it one each other
This is promising...
Just get the hairdryer on the sheet and towel down after?"
Ooooh... bake the sweat in. I like it |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Go on then, if we set off now we should be there in about 12 hours so that is plenty of time for you to walk the dogs, have a nap and comb your leg hair"
For you... I'll style it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes please
F
I've put an extension on til 9.30... drive fast
Just scoffing some pork scratchings first
F
#sexymofo"
OK, I know I'm a little late but I had some magic stars too. Don't hate me. Sex, now? I can't jiggle around too much though 
F |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Yes please
F
I've put an extension on til 9.30... drive fast
Just scoffing some pork scratchings first
F
#sexymofo
OK, I know I'm a little late but I had some magic stars too. Don't hate me. Sex, now? I can't jiggle around too much though
F"
Ffs. This is sounding dangerous from a vomit perspective |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"NSP lay back think of England and enjoy my mediocrity.
See. That's the kind of enthusiasm I'm looking for.
I’m nothing fancy f I’m not a shit shag. "
Acceptable! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
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Is that a yes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance? "
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump! |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Is it 2 or 3 weeks because that's a deal breaker for me tbh.
If its 2 then no if its 3 then yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump! "
Jesus  |
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump!
Jesus "
I highly doubt it was him |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump!
Jesus
I highly doubt it was him "
Well he was a virgin wasn’t he |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I'm a shit shag. Shagging doesn't happen often.
I've been told that I can just lie there with my legs open and the guy thrusts his wanger in me a few times?
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You learnt from the same place as me! |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Is it 2 or 3 weeks because that's a deal breaker for me tbh.
If its 2 then no if its 3 then yes "
It's definitely 3 |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I'm quite d*unk, could probably get a semi going and see if I can tuck it in yer vag.
If I fall asleep while on top just roll me off."
Now we're talking |
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump!
Jesus
I highly doubt it was him
Well he was a virgin wasn’t he "
That was Mary |
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Best offer I've had in ages! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump!
Jesus
I highly doubt it was him
Well he was a virgin wasn’t he
That was Mary "
Oh I thought Jesus was too? |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Best offer I've had in ages! "
I'm a smooth talker |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Depends. Have you got somewhere safe for me to put my wig and false teeth while I give you the best 27 seconds of your life? "
The dogs will look after them |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a bit late to the party, but I haven't showered for a few days, and probably still smell of last weeks cum...any chance?
Leave it a few more days and you will be able to pull it out in one solidified lump! "
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"Depends. Have you got somewhere safe for me to put my wig and false teeth while I give you the best 27 seconds of your life?
I think we can do it in 25 to be fair. "
I'll set the stop watch. Now strip and let's see how quickly I can get you to heaven and back |
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"I'm quite d*unk, could probably get a semi going and see if I can tuck it in yer vag.
If I fall asleep while on top just roll me off.
Now we're talking "
best not to spoil things by talking.
Dick has gone a bit limp, just gonna rub it around the general area of your fanny in the hope something happens. |
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"I'm quite d*unk, could probably get a semi going and see if I can tuck it in yer vag.
If I fall asleep while on top just roll me off.
Now we're talking
best not to spoil things by talking.
Dick has gone a bit limp, just gonna rub it around the general area of your fanny in the hope something happens."
Should we fuck??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fine... roll and lift your leg a little.
You spoil me Lib
You won't feel a thing.
That's because I have a fanny like a wizard's sleeve"
Oh, ok...
*hides chloroform*
Guess we'll actually just fuck? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game? "
Of course! |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I'm quite d*unk, could probably get a semi going and see if I can tuck it in yer vag.
If I fall asleep while on top just roll me off.
Now we're talking
best not to spoil things by talking.
Dick has gone a bit limp, just gonna rub it around the general area of your fanny in the hope something happens."
Reasonable |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Fine... roll and lift your leg a little.
You spoil me Lib
You won't feel a thing.
That's because I have a fanny like a wizard's sleeve
Oh, ok...
*hides chloroform*
Guess we'll actually just fuck?"
Woo hoo! Let's do it |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Of course! "
I make it sound so appealing |
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By *avexxMan
over a year ago
cheshire |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Of course! ,, lets walk the dogs together ,
I make it sound so appealing "
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"I've got 25 minutes before I have to take the dogs out for a walk... I'm full of cold, need a shower and haven't shaved my legs in 2 weeks. Maybe 3.
I promise to do the best impression of a sack of spuds that I can but I'll make you a brew after.
So... anyone game?
Of course! ,, lets walk the dogs together ,
I make it sound so appealing "
The little sods have collapsed. They did a mile and they can't handle it  |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Right now I fancy karaoke to be honest
I'm sure somewhere in that there London you can do karaoke
I cannot think of anything sadder than doing karaoke solo "
I'm pretty sure if you use your imagination you could |
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By *ruceyyMan
over a year ago
London |
"Right now I fancy karaoke to be honest
I'm sure somewhere in that there London you can do karaoke
I cannot think of anything sadder than doing karaoke solo
I'm pretty sure if you use your imagination you could "
I also imagine ffms but it doesn't mean its happening posh x |
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By *otSoPosh OP Woman
over a year ago
In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon |
"Right now I fancy karaoke to be honest
I'm sure somewhere in that there London you can do karaoke
I cannot think of anything sadder than doing karaoke solo
I'm pretty sure if you use your imagination you could
I also imagine ffms but it doesn't mean its happening posh x"
True story dear |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd love one right now but cba... can I just stick it in and someone push pack?
That does sound like effort..."
Agonising. I just want to have sex without the effort but all the glory.
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