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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It had mot last month failed on emisions had engine flushed new oil and fuel filter air filter and then passed but ever since that sometimes when you pull off it cuts out and sometimes when your going along like tonight. Come down a road straight over a round about had slowed down from 70 to 30 started to get to 40 and car cut out yesterday it had the cam sensor done and the clutch was bled as the clutch was very quick but still keeps cutting out |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I have noticed that before i go anywhere that the car struggles to start it takes about 4 attempts to start and she can cut out just as you pull off sometimes but other times she starts first time and still stalls later |
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assuming the usual ODB diagnostics have found nothing... one tricky one that is surprisingly common is the vent in the fuel cap gets blocked, drive it for a bit, pull over somewhere quiet, put your ear next to the fuel cap and open it, if you hear a whoosh buy a new filler cap... seen two of these in the last week, maybe something to do with all the crap weather and salt on the roads getting everywhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I had very similar problems to what you have described, after a week of fault finding, turns out the lambda sensor in the exhaust was playing up and required changing. It never showed up on the dionostics either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I had very similar problems to what you have described, after a week of fault finding, turns out the lambda sensor in the exhaust was playing up and required changing. It never showed up on the dionostics either. "
What they said, this was my immediate thought upon reading  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Try cleaning the EGR valve, they're a very common fault on diesels also the MAF (mass air flow) sensor could have failed. Both are easy and cheap to do. The engine flush could also have caused anbengine breather pipe to become blocked (very common), start by finding and cleaning the oil seperator bottle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just had another thought. Was the fuel filter changed on the last service? Often, with diesels, they get contaminated with water, it sits in the bottom of the filter and doesn't clear itself so the filter will need changing, given the cold, wet weather we've had recently that's another possibility. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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Instead of guessing and replacing parts that don't need replacing the first thing to do is have the stored codes read from inside the engine control unit (ecu) and because your car is a Ford 1.4 tdci albeit with a peugeot engine you must only have it read with fords own IDS diagnostic equipment as all the others are a waste of time and your money. Your problem does sound fuel related but there are many many things it could be. I personally fixed one this week that was as simple as carrying out a flash update to the ecu. As I said earlier step 1, get it code read with a ford IDS and don't guess. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Surely if there's no warning lights on the dash there won't be any codes.
Personally I'd investigate the MAF sensor first (disconnect it and take it for a drive, if there's no difference you've found your problem), then move on to cleaning the EGR valve (its free and good practice anyway) then look at the fuel system. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
A car will run without a maf connected so its not going to stop it from starting and cutting out. it could be the egr but as I said you are guessing again, If it is read with ford ids It WILL have stored codes. its only shit cheap obd readers that dont go deep enough to read them. Ford IDS will everytime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A car will run without a maf connected so its not going to stop it from starting and cutting out. it could be the egr but as I said you are guessing again, If it is read with ford ids It WILL have stored codes. its only shit cheap obd readers that dont go deep enough to read them. Ford IDS will everytime."
I know it will run without the MAF connected, I meant if the symptoms remain the same once its disconnected then there's the problem.
I once had a Renault which wouldn't run right, took it to Renault for a diag, they put it on CLIP it diagnosed EGR and MAF faults. Turned out neither were the problem, the oil seperator bottle was blocked. I found that after they spent hours trying to figure out why the parts they replaced didn't cure the problem and kept throwing the same codes. They ended up reimbursing me for parts and labour. |
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i had the van version of the 1.4 TDCI, so it is exactly the same running gear as your car, it did the same thing and was very scary , especially when driving in the fast lane of a motorway when it cut out! i took it to a mate who is a trained ford technician and he said its common and can't normally be diagnosed ! if i was you i would seriously look at finding another car asap. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"A car will run without a maf connected so its not going to stop it from starting and cutting out. it could be the egr but as I said you are guessing again, If it is read with ford ids It WILL have stored codes. its only shit cheap obd readers that dont go deep enough to read them. Ford IDS will everytime.
I know it will run without the MAF connected, I meant if the symptoms remain the same once its disconnected then there's the problem.
I once had a Renault which wouldn't run right, took it to Renault for a diag, they put it on CLIP it diagnosed EGR and MAF faults. Turned out neither were the problem, the oil seperator bottle was blocked. I found that after they spent hours trying to figure out why the parts they replaced didn't cure the problem and kept throwing the same codes. They ended up reimbursing me for parts and labour."
Classic main dealer philosophy! keep chucking expensive parts at a problem and hope for the best  is because the guy who is operating the diagnostic equipment does not have the first clue what the part he has dignosed even does. Always baffles me that one How can you diagnose something as faulty if you don't even know what job it does on the engine?? scary very scary  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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A friend had a problem with her car and went on a car website for the make of the car....she read what other people had put about the problem, bought a part and it fixed it.
I would do the same if I was you as if you changed all these parts mentioned you are going to need a re morgage |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A car will run without a maf connected so its not going to stop it from starting and cutting out. it could be the egr but as I said you are guessing again, If it is read with ford ids It WILL have stored codes. its only shit cheap obd readers that dont go deep enough to read them. Ford IDS will everytime.
I know it will run without the MAF connected, I meant if the symptoms remain the same once its disconnected then there's the problem.
I once had a Renault which wouldn't run right, took it to Renault for a diag, they put it on CLIP it diagnosed EGR and MAF faults. Turned out neither were the problem, the oil seperator bottle was blocked. I found that after they spent hours trying to figure out why the parts they replaced didn't cure the problem and kept throwing the same codes. They ended up reimbursing me for parts and labour.
Classic main dealer philosophy! keep chucking expensive parts at a problem and hope for the best is because the guy who is operating the diagnostic equipment does not have the first clue what the part he has dignosed even does. Always baffles me that one How can you diagnose something as faulty if you don't even know what job it does on the engine?? scary very scary "
It is indeed. I was never happy with their explanation so I investigated it myself and got to the problem. All it took was a socket and a squirt of brake cleaner to solve. I got a lot of satisfaction telling the manager of the main dealer that his experts were completely wrong and I wanted my money back...lol
To the OP, try joining an online ford forum. There's tons of great advice and tips on those sites as many will have had the same problems.
I drive an Alfa and the Alfa forums have saved me a small fortune over the years. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"A friend had a problem with her car and went on a car website for the make of the car....she read what other people had put about the problem, bought a part and it fixed it.
I would do the same if I was you as if you changed all these parts mentioned you are going to need a re morgage "
If only life was as simple as that. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"A friend had a problem with her car and went on a car website for the make of the car....she read what other people had put about the problem, bought a part and it fixed it.
I would do the same if I was you as if you changed all these parts mentioned you are going to need a re morgage
If only life was as simple as that."
It was then .... and that was after spending a fortune on garage diagnostics.
Don't take offence just because someone found a solution after trying mechanics advice without success. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?"
The problem with diagnostic computers is they point to a sensor that's picking up a fault. Quite often the fault is elsewhere but its causing a problem further along the system. People rely on these diagnostic too much rather than good old mechanics and often end up replacing parts they don't need to or that can be solved by simply cleaning them. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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To the OP, try joining an online ford forum. There's tons of great advice and tips on those sites as many will have had the same problems.
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or if you fall over and hurt yourself don't waste the doctors time as there are plenty of forums on the internet full of advise from people who have had the same problems |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To the OP, try joining an online ford forum. There's tons of great advice and tips on those sites as many will have had the same problems.
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or if you fall over and hurt yourself don't waste the doctors time as there are plenty of forums on the internet full of advise from people who have had the same problems "
Mock all you like but experience has shown me that they work... |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?
The problem with diagnostic computers is they point to a sensor that's picking up a fault. Quite often the fault is elsewhere but its causing a problem further along the system. People rely on these diagnostic too much rather than good old mechanics and often end up replacing parts they don't need to or that can be solved by simply cleaning them."
Modern cars need a combination of capable diagnostic equipment and knowledge how a engine works, sadly these days they only have the equipment and no idea. |
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been a member of many car forums and they've saved me tons also been to doctors an been misdiagnosed. Usually find on forums u get several opinions and from people with experience. Last car i had diagnosed had a list of faults but none were anything to do with the problem |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
And the first thing any good respected forum will tell you is.............Get a good obd reader which in this instance is Ford IDS and see what codes come back as they need as much information as possible so as they can help you and not guess as to what the problem can be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just searched a ford forum for the OP. Apparently its common that the emissions test on the MOT can blow the seats out of one of the injectors. It won't show on any diagnostic equipment. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"Just searched a ford forum for the OP. Apparently its common that the emissions test on the MOT can blow the seats out of one of the injectors. It won't show on any diagnostic equipment."
And will make a hell of a noise but won't suffer from cutting out. The car has fuel pressure issues. so if it's down the guessing expensive route then the first thing I would do is change the fuel filter and make sure it's a genuine ford part. Bout £50ish I think. then once changed come back on the forum and tell everyone it may or may not have worked. If you want to ask questions on forums about Ford Fiesta 1.4 TDCI engines then do youself a favour and ask for either an expert on Delphi diesel fuel injection or more commonly A Peugeot forum as Ford are absolutly clueless on this type of engine. |
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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago
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Sometimes others advice helps find faults before they develop to stages where the engine light comes on and things get hairy. Some of these troubles are combination faults caused by several parts ageing at once and their performance becoming marginal, or being interrelated trip some confusing faults.
As for undiagnosable, nothing is undiagnosable as there's no such word as can't - it just requires more effort to diagnose.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Further reading of the Ford forums show that its a VERY common issue. All related to the injectors. Most seem to be cured either with several doses of fuel system cleaner or replacement of the injectors.
Again, apparently this fault presents no codes when connected to Ford's diagnostic equipment. |
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"Just pray its not the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), you'll be looking at £1000+ to replace it."
We had the same with a Mazda stalling and in the end stopped and wouldn't go again, spent hundreds in all sorts, in the end bought a new DPF from ebay (alot cheaper than other places) and had our local garage fit it and its been running well ever since. When we sell this one we will not buy a Diesel again as they all have then now and they are silly money. But its worth getting it checked as they can be put into a forced regen at a garage if it not completely blocked.. ours was buggered and completely blocked so needed a new one. DPF cost us £260 and think garage charge £50 to fit it. so its not the end of the world. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
Ford ids give full live real time figures for everything on the engine and that includes injectors which incidentally are very expensive and need coding to each cylinder when fitted. This engine also suffers fron swarf in the fuel system due to the break up of the white metal bearings inside the high pressure fuel pump. if this is the case then everything that has diesel fuel running through it must be replaced/cleaned and this job is serious money. see how important correct diagnosis is from the start. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"Just pray its not the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), you'll be looking at £1000+ to replace it.
We had the same with a Mazda stalling and in the end stopped and wouldn't go again, spent hundreds in all sorts, in the end bought a new DPF from ebay (alot cheaper than other places) and had our local garage fit it and its been running well ever since. When we sell this one we will not buy a Diesel again as they all have then now and they are silly money. But its worth getting it checked as they can be put into a forced regen at a garage if it not completely blocked.. ours was buggered and completely blocked so needed a new one. DPF cost us £260 and think garage charge £50 to fit it. so its not the end of the world. "
Don't worry your fiesta doesn't have one |
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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago
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"Just had another thought. Was the fuel filter changed on the last service? Often, with diesels, they get contaminated with water, it sits in the bottom of the filter and doesn't clear itself so the filter will need changing, given the cold, wet weather we've had recently that's another possibility."
i thought it was the fuel filter
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just pray its not the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), you'll be looking at £1000+ to replace it.
We had the same with a Mazda stalling and in the end stopped and wouldn't go again, spent hundreds in all sorts, in the end bought a new DPF from ebay (alot cheaper than other places) and had our local garage fit it and its been running well ever since. When we sell this one we will not buy a Diesel again as they all have then now and they are silly money. But its worth getting it checked as they can be put into a forced regen at a garage if it not completely blocked.. ours was buggered and completely blocked so needed a new one. DPF cost us £260 and think garage charge £50 to fit it. so its not the end of the world.
Don't worry your fiesta doesn't have one"
I thought all diesels had to have them from 2002 onwards. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
"Just pray its not the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), you'll be looking at £1000+ to replace it.
We had the same with a Mazda stalling and in the end stopped and wouldn't go again, spent hundreds in all sorts, in the end bought a new DPF from ebay (alot cheaper than other places) and had our local garage fit it and its been running well ever since. When we sell this one we will not buy a Diesel again as they all have then now and they are silly money. But its worth getting it checked as they can be put into a forced regen at a garage if it not completely blocked.. ours was buggered and completely blocked so needed a new one. DPF cost us £260 and think garage charge £50 to fit it. so its not the end of the world.
Don't worry your fiesta doesn't have one
I thought all diesels had to have them from 2002 onwards."
No. Fords started fitting them in certain models from 2005. Audi offered them as an option at first I really do feel for someone who owns a car fitted with a Particlate filter. I get paranoid when driving them around waiting for the light to come on. The warning light for the dpf is usually a picture of an exhaust. what it should be is a £ sign lite up in red as it will cost you ££s one way or another |
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Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one... |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one..."
I know, we remove on average a dozen of these things each week and the average man in the street who buys a car with one of these fitted know nothing about the trouble they will cause as the salesman doesn't inform them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one..."
I had the one fitted to my old Renault DCI removed and the ECU remapped to run without it two days after I bought it...Cost £350 and saved me hundreds more both in fuel and problems down the line.
I'd never consider buying another diesel after that car. |
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I had the one fitted to my old Renault DCI removed and the ECU remapped to run without it two days after I bought it...Cost £350 and saved me hundreds more both in fuel and problems down the line.
I'd never consider buying another diesel after that car."
I also had the EGR valve blanked too. You wouldn't believe the extra fuel economy I got from it, a little more power too. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I had the one fitted to my old Renault DCI removed and the ECU remapped to run without it two days after I bought it...Cost £350 and saved me hundreds more both in fuel and problems down the line.
I'd never consider buying another diesel after that car."
When you had the contents of your filter in the exhaust removed did you ask for the contents back?? You would have got £70 off the scrap man for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I had the one fitted to my old Renault DCI removed and the ECU remapped to run without it two days after I bought it...Cost £350 and saved me hundreds more both in fuel and problems down the line.
I'd never consider buying another diesel after that car.
When you had the contents of your filter in the exhaust removed did you ask for the contents back?? You would have got £70 off the scrap man for it."
I never thought of that...lol |
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I know, we remove on average a dozen of these things each week and the average man in the street who buys a car with one of these fitted know nothing about the trouble they will cause as the salesman doesn't inform them "
We kept the old one so we can get the dpf removed then should there be an issue again we will put that on and get it re mapped.. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I know, we remove on average a dozen of these things each week and the average man in the street who buys a car with one of these fitted know nothing about the trouble they will cause as the salesman doesn't inform them
We kept the old one so we can get the dpf removed then should there be an issue again we will put that on and get it re mapped.."
Do youself a favour and sell it. Don't consider refitting it. Life is hard enough without worrying about things like them things.lol  |
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"Got my dpf ripped out... Was costin me too much each year.....and car permanently on safety mode when it went wrong....and the cost of the additive that no one wants to put in.....
Best money I ever spent(nearly)
As above.. I will probably never buy another car that needs one...
I know, we remove on average a dozen of these things each week and the average man in the street who buys a car with one of these fitted know nothing about the trouble they will cause as the salesman doesn't inform them
We kept the old one so we can get the dpf removed then should there be an issue again we will put that on and get it re mapped..
Do youself a favour and sell it. Don't consider refitting it. Life is hard enough without worrying about things like them things.lol "
never thought of selling it.. not bad idea though save keep tripping over the bloomin thing lol  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think it would be great if all car companies followed Fiat/Alfa/Lancia's example and made their diagnostic programs freely available.
Just download a copy of the software and purchase a set of cables and you can run diagnostics, monitor live parameters and reset fault codes you've fixed yourself for a fraction of what a garage charges.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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To the OP, try joining an online ford forum. There's tons of great advice and tips on those sites as many will have had the same problems.
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This
or if you fall over and hurt yourself don't waste the doctors time as there are plenty of forums on the internet full of advise from people who have had the same problems "
But when you have exhausted the so called professionals who can't find what is wrong with the car and are about to ditch the car , then finding the answer on a website that lots of people are on who own the same cars....you know these sites work for some.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?"
If that is to me, maybe read what I put about it already been seen by garages who couldn't diagnose what the problem was. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?
If that is to me, maybe read what I put about it already been seen by garages who couldn't diagnose what the problem was."
Thats why I said in the very first reply to take your Ford to some establishment who has Ford IDS equipment as it will show or at the very least point them in the right direction, any other diagnostic equipment will only waste time and your money. |
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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago
warrington |
Fiats Fords or whatever car are pretty good as a concept. It's when you introduce humans into the equation that just drive abuse and not servive or maintain them correctly, thats when things start to go wrong then they are the first to slag them off. Always the cars fault and never there own most of the time |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?
If that is to me, maybe read what I put about it already been seen by garages who couldn't diagnose what the problem was.
Thats why I said in the very first reply to take your Ford to some establishment who has Ford IDS equipment as it will show or at the very least point them in the right direction, any other diagnostic equipment will only waste time and your money."
I havn't got a Ford, and the person who had the car didn't have a Ford either
She did however take it to the Renault Dealer who diagnosed it wrong twice before she finally went to the Renault forum and found a lot of people with the same problem as hers, bought the same part they had bought and touch wood not had any problems since as it fixed the problem. |
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"????? so what you are saying is don't take your car to someone who has the correct equipment and knows how to use it. just boot up the lap top and go with whatever they say?? Tell me would you do the same if you had something wrong with your body?
If that is to me, maybe read what I put about it already been seen by garages who couldn't diagnose what the problem was.
Thats why I said in the very first reply to take your Ford to some establishment who has Ford IDS equipment as it will show or at the very least point them in the right direction, any other diagnostic equipment will only waste time and your money.
I havn't got a Ford, and the person who had the car didn't have a Ford either
She did however take it to the Renault Dealer who diagnosed it wrong twice before she finally went to the Renault forum and found a lot of people with the same problem as hers, bought the same part they had bought and touch wood not had any problems since as it fixed the problem. "
That's exactly what I did with mine. Once it was fixed (see my earlier post) I sold it. |
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