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Will get cancer... Wtf. is that just in our country? Or the west or all 8 billion of us?
What are we doing or not doing that's caused such growth in cancer sufferer numbers? And what can be done to lower those numbers? It's mind blowing how 1 in 2 of us will get cancer at some point. |
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I'm sure there are some environmental factors that are increasing the prevalence of various cancers.
But isn't it more about the fact that detection is now so much better? And overall awareness?
I wonder if many deaths in the past might have been put down to 'old age' or something else that resulted from an undetected cancer.
I'm sure there are many people who can correct me... just my musings over the incredible advances in medicine. |
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I thought a lot of the “increase” in cancer is down to better testing. I don’t think mortality rates have necessarily changed have they? My understanding is that many cancers are not terminal and people die _with_ them rather than _from_ them. |
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Smoking, obesity, carbon monoxide,living longer, alcohol, bad luck, occupational lack of safety equipment, hormones ...I could go on.
Prévention will help in many cases but not all. It's a horrible and worrying statistic |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sure there are some environmental factors that are increasing the prevalence of various cancers.
But isn't it more about the fact that detection is now so much better? And overall awareness?
I wonder if many deaths in the past might have been put down to 'old age' or something else that resulted from an undetected cancer.
I'm sure there are many people who can correct me... just my musings over the incredible advances in medicine. "
This most certainly plays its part yes. It is a combination of factors for sure. Without knowing how many actually died of it in the past it is much harder to say how much more common it is. |
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over a year ago
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It’s a reality. I was diagnosed with lymphoma in October. It’s a form of blood cancer.
Luckily nowadays with technological advancements things are not all doom and gloom.
I am on a 6 cycle chemo plan. 3 cycles done. Cycle 4 begins tomorrow.
I am more than happy to say my life has pretty much been as per pre diagnosis. Sure I have the odd bad day but nothing like how I imagined. Still working full time and leading a full and rich life.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Better and earlier diagnosis, better treatments leading up better prognosis. There are over 200 types of cancer, we just know them better so it’s more visible as a %. |
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"It’s a reality. I was diagnosed with lymphoma in October. It’s a form of blood cancer.
Luckily nowadays with technological advancements things are not all doom and gloom.
I am on a 6 cycle chemo plan. 3 cycles done. Cycle 4 begins tomorrow.
I am more than happy to say my life has pretty much been as per pre diagnosis. Sure I have the odd bad day but nothing like how I imagined. Still working full time and leading a full and rich life.
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All the best with your journey, look forward to you smashing it out the park ASAP  |
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My personal opinion is environmental and lifestyle choices.
People are stressed, depressed, eating and drinking shit, we are surrounded by more and more technology every day which we were not exposed to as well as more pollution.
Detection has also improved so when you add it all up, the rates will naturally be higher |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I lost my gorgeous wife to pancreatic cancer six years ago. She was 46, fit and a 5k runner on a weekly basis. Of course some lifestyle choices will increase the chances of getting cancer, but there are totally clean living healthy people who are struck down with this horrible,life destroying disease.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I lost my gorgeous wife to pancreatic cancer six years ago. She was 46, fit and a 5k runner on a weekly basis. Of course some lifestyle choices will increase the chances of getting cancer, but there are totally clean living healthy people who are struck down with this horrible,life destroying disease.."
Exactly this I lost my Partner to cancer coming up 8.years he was 59 fit and healthy,alot of very healthy people get cancer |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I lost my gorgeous wife to pancreatic cancer six years ago. She was 46, fit and a 5k runner on a weekly basis. Of course some lifestyle choices will increase the chances of getting cancer, but there are totally clean living healthy people who are struck down with this horrible,life destroying disease..
Exactly this I lost my Partner to cancer coming up 8.years he was 59 fit and healthy,alot of very healthy people get cancer"
Sorry for both your losses. I think we have all had somebody, close that has suffered from it.
It is not just people that get it though, animals do too and not just pets and domesticated animals but those in zoos and even wild animals. |
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We live in a world with thousands of chemicals around us daily, it's not a case of if, Its a case of when I get cancer. All any of us can do is get those niggling symptoms checked out early, and hopefully get a fighting chance at life |
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"It’s a reality. I was diagnosed with lymphoma in October. It’s a form of blood cancer.
Luckily nowadays with technological advancements things are not all doom and gloom.
I am on a 6 cycle chemo plan. 3 cycles done. Cycle 4 begins tomorrow.
I am more than happy to say my life has pretty much been as per pre diagnosis. Sure I have the odd bad day but nothing like how I imagined. Still working full time and leading a full and rich life.
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I had t cell lymphoma diagnosed 2016 had 6 sessions of chop then a stem cell transplant in spring 2017. Been in complete remmission since the 4th round of chop. Fingers crossed for you bud
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Lost my Mum, Dad, his older sister and brother and my grandmother to cancer. His little sister survived it twice but is now 5 years in with alzheimers and dementia. Now I'm 50 not a day goes by that I don't think about is it inevitable that I will get it. |
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"We live in a world with thousands of chemicals around us daily, it's not a case of if, Its a case of when I get cancer. All any of us can do is get those niggling symptoms checked out early, and hopefully get a fighting chance at life"
This is exactly it for me, my genetics alone put me at a higher risk for a lot of cancers, both my mum and her sister have had and survived breast cancer(both different types), I've lost great aunts to breast cancer and also ovarian and cervical runs rife with the women in my family (my cousin who is a year younger has had treatment for early stage cervical), both my grandads had bowl cancer and my nan lung cancer. All I can do is be vigilant and attend regular screening when offered and once I reach the age range for some of the ones I'm not yet make sure I have them done and be aware of my own body and look out for any changes and get them looked at ASAP.
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By *an1978Woman
over a year ago
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Apart from the chemicals and lifestyle side of it, also we are dying less from other things?
50 years ago more of us would have died in workplace accidents, car crashes, drowning etc before getting, or not knowing that we had cancer. |
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"Apart from the chemicals and lifestyle side of it, also we are dying less from other things?
50 years ago more of us would have died in workplace accidents, car crashes, drowning etc before getting, or not knowing that we had cancer."
Is it the same in other countries too? Do the Greeks or Germans or Danes or Australians get cancer 1 out of 2? |
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over a year ago
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You have to put this 1 in 2 figure into context...it's not quite as bad as it sounds.
People are dying less and less from other diseases and are therefore more likely to be diagnosed with cancer.
Another factor is improvement in our ability to detect cancer. Techniques like breast-cancer screening and testing for prostate cancer markers mean cancers are more likely to be identified in the first place, and often at a younger age, which also changes the statistics.
We shouldn’t forget that more people are also surviving cancer. Today half of people newly diagnosed with the disease will live for more than 10 years. In the early 1970s, the corresponding survival rate was only 24 per cent. |
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"You have to put this 1 in 2 figure into context...it's not quite as bad as it sounds.
People are dying less and less from other diseases and are therefore more likely to be diagnosed with cancer.
Another factor is improvement in our ability to detect cancer. Techniques like breast-cancer screening and testing for prostate cancer markers mean cancers are more likely to be identified in the first place, and often at a younger age, which also changes the statistics.
We shouldn’t forget that more people are also surviving cancer. Today half of people newly diagnosed with the disease will live for more than 10 years. In the early 1970s, the corresponding survival rate was only 24 per cent."
Survival wasant really my point. Its more to do with... What's changed that we are getting cancers more than 30 years ago and why are we accepting of it with neery a blink.?
As for prostate. I wasn't aware there was an accurate test for prostate. If there is, that's good progress. |
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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago
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"Apart from the chemicals and lifestyle side of it, also we are dying less from other things?"
I think it’s probably this.
Smoking, sunburn, diesel particulates, microplastics, chemicals don’t help.
What are the other big killers? Heart disease, misadventure, suicide, war, infections?
We’ve got antibiotics (for now) and a better understanding of how diet affects us. We’ve got to die of something. |
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"Survival wasn't really my point. Its more to do with... What's changed that we are getting cancers more than 30 years ago and why are we accepting of it with nary a blink?"
I think your question has been answered pretty thoroughly as the thread’s run its course.
People are living longer - more time equals more opportunities for cancers to come along.
People aren’t dying of so many other diseases/conditions/dangers - life is safer nowadays and more ailments are treatable, but cancers still arrive.
Medical science has progressed - we’re better at diagnosing cancers and better at defining what a cancer is, instead of just saying ‘died of old age’ or ‘his lungs failed’ or whatever.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was something to do with increased radio waves through mobile phone use.
12 years ago I started experiencing extreme pain in my knees. It was so bad, If I crouched down I could hardly get up. Went to the doctors. Gave me a physio appointment.
Got a date 3 weeks away. A week before the appointment it was getting really bad. I thought about what I was doing, that maybe causing it. I realised every evening I was sitting with my laptop on my knees for a couple hours while on the computer.
I googled dangers of a laptop. There was a article there about the danger 9f putting the laptop on your lap. That the electomagnetic field can be harmful.
I stopped putting it on my knees and within a week my knees were back to normal. I went to physio and told him about this. He said he'd never heard of it and said I was fine.
Since then I've never experienced ot again and have been fine. But what things are we not being told by big business with vested interests. |
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Yes some well thought out replies... I have a young mate who has an app on his phone that he checks Everything he buys against
.. He scans it and it tells him basically if it's got any carcinogens in and any other bad stuff... No idea how accurate or anything else it is... But.
1..what a brilliant idea of it works as intendesd
2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .? |
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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago
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"2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .? "
Teflon
Artificial sweeteners
I doubt either would get approved now.
I’ll be interested to see how Vapes come out after 10-20 yrs of mass testing. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"Work out, eat fresh food not processed, don't smoke, look after your body and nothing to worry about  "
Except that's absolute bullshit. It may reduces chances but it won't remove them completely.
I know plenty of people who live an extremely healthy lifestyle that have died from different kinds of cancer. |
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"Processed food!"
I actually had this discussion the other day. The number of things in it I've never heard of is quite alarming. Hence I steer clear of it where possible. I also do not add sugar or salt to food. Who knows what's in the food chain these days. |
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"2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .?
Teflon
Artificial sweeteners
I doubt either would get approved now.
I’ll be interested to see how Vapes come out after 10-20 yrs of mass testing. "
Genuine question though, if we know lots of our modern living chemicals and utensils and behaviours and technology is bad for our health... (yet terribly convenient) why aren't we glueing our faces to the conveyor belts in the supermarkets to say stop killing us? Rather dramatic way of wording it I know but 1 in 2 is a ridiculously high percentage. Regardless of treatment and survival.. Surely we are better off with prevention? |
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"Processed food"
"Unsafe products"
"Radio waves"
What you have there is technically called a bunch of nonsense.
There are genuine reasons for cancer’s increased prevalence and visibility. They’ve been explained right here in this thread multiple times.
As for what actually causes cancers … there’s no simple answer. But tobacco causes about 30% of cases. Obesity about 30%. Alcohol about 10%. About 18% of cases come from infectious diseases like HPV. And work-related exposure to hazards like asbestos or benzene cause a fair percentage too. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .?
Teflon
Artificial sweeteners
I doubt either would get approved now.
I’ll be interested to see how Vapes come out after 10-20 yrs of mass testing.
Genuine question though, if we know lots of our modern living chemicals and utensils and behaviours and technology is bad for our health... (yet terribly convenient) why aren't we glueing our faces to the conveyor belts in the supermarkets to say stop killing us? Rather dramatic way of wording it I know but 1 in 2 is a ridiculously high percentage. Regardless of treatment and survival.. Surely we are better off with prevention? "
There is no prevention. It is a mutation. A wild animal with zero contact with humans has the potential to have cells mutate to become cancerous. Granted some species have developed a counter to this etc but that is a very low number. Larger animals like whale's and elephants have lower rates of cancer due to less cell mutation. Bat's also have a lower rate.
The Beluga has the largest rate of cancer for any animal on earth.
Carnivorous animals have a higher rate of cancerous mutations than herbivores. |
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"2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .?
Teflon
Artificial sweeteners
I doubt either would get approved now.
I’ll be interested to see how Vapes come out after 10-20 yrs of mass testing.
Genuine question though, if we know lots of our modern living chemicals and utensils and behaviours and technology is bad for our health... (yet terribly convenient) why aren't we glueing our faces to the conveyor belts in the supermarkets to say stop killing us? Rather dramatic way of wording it I know but 1 in 2 is a ridiculously high percentage. Regardless of treatment and survival.. Surely we are better off with prevention?
There is no prevention. It is a mutation. A wild animal with zero contact with humans has the potential to have cells mutate to become cancerous. Granted some species have developed a counter to this etc but that is a very low number. Larger animals like whale's and elephants have lower rates of cancer due to less cell mutation. Bat's also have a lower rate.
The Beluga has the largest rate of cancer for any animal on earth.
Carnivorous animals have a higher rate of cancerous mutations than herbivores. "
So if there is no prevention.. Does that mean cancer rates in all similar countries are the same? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"2.. What are shops and suppliers doing selling products that aren't "safe" .?
Teflon
Artificial sweeteners
I doubt either would get approved now.
I’ll be interested to see how Vapes come out after 10-20 yrs of mass testing.
Genuine question though, if we know lots of our modern living chemicals and utensils and behaviours and technology is bad for our health... (yet terribly convenient) why aren't we glueing our faces to the conveyor belts in the supermarkets to say stop killing us? Rather dramatic way of wording it I know but 1 in 2 is a ridiculously high percentage. Regardless of treatment and survival.. Surely we are better off with prevention?
There is no prevention. It is a mutation. A wild animal with zero contact with humans has the potential to have cells mutate to become cancerous. Granted some species have developed a counter to this etc but that is a very low number. Larger animals like whale's and elephants have lower rates of cancer due to less cell mutation. Bat's also have a lower rate.
The Beluga has the largest rate of cancer for any animal on earth.
Carnivorous animals have a higher rate of cancerous mutations than herbivores.
So if there is no prevention.. Does that mean cancer rates in all similar countries are the same? "
Depends. There will be all kinds of factors that can potentially increase the chance of cancerous cell mutation. It also depends on which form of cancer.
Somebody from one country may be more likely to have skin cancer, while another more likely to have prostate or breast (yes men can get breast cancer too). Health service quality and availability will play a factor in having how many people are actually diagnosed in certain countries.
Bottom line is that cancer is naturally occurring but certainly aided by multiple outside factors like smoking, or excessive process food diets, or toxins in the air etc. |
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"Processed food
Unsafe products
Radio waves
What you have there is technically called a bunch of nonsense.
There are genuine reasons for cancer’s increased prevalence and visibility. They’ve been explained right here in this thread multiple times.
As for what actually causes cancers … there’s no simple answer. But tobacco causes about 30% of cases. Obesity about 30%. Alcohol about 10%. About 18% of cases come from infectious diseases like HPV. And work-related exposure to hazards like asbestos or benzene cause a fair percentage too."
A bunch of nonsense?
Are you saying that tobacco causes 30% of cancers? If that is so, then the previous poster has a fair point with "unsafe product" being sold to the general public is damaging.
Are you also saying that 30% of cancers are a result of obesity? If that is the case, the previous poster was possibly correct in stating that "processed food" might be a cause because I dare say, in this day and age, a large majority of the obese population is obese due to lifestyle choices (including processed foods and lack of exercise) rather than it being down to a medical condition.
As for radio waves (or any part of radio frequency radiation), the American Cancer Society have an interesting article where there are clearly elements of the electromagnetic spectrum which can cause cancer, and those we are exposed to daily like mobile phones, microwaves etc - there is no conclusive evidence either way. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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"Will get cancer... Wtf. is that just in our country? Or the west or all 8 billion of us?
What are we doing or not doing that's caused such growth in cancer sufferer numbers? And what can be done to lower those numbers? It's mind blowing how 1 in 2 of us will get cancer at some point. "
Definitely not the whole world just the western region.. idiots eating McDonald's and microwave meals drinking sitting on their ass all day .. |
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"Work out, eat fresh food not processed, don't smoke, look after your body and nothing to worry about "
Other than the totally healthy people who died of cancer already mentioned in the thread then 
If its gonna get you it will get you … enjoy your life while you have it |
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"Work out, eat fresh food not processed, don't smoke, look after your body and nothing to worry about
Other than the totally healthy people who died of cancer already mentioned in the thread then
If its gonna get you it will get you … enjoy your life while you have it "
This!! |
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By *adCherriesCouple
over a year ago
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Living longer, since cancer is mutations of the cells, its obviously going to get error codes as we get older.. we are living much too long and many of us should of been dead if it wasn't for antibiotics etc.
Also lifestyles haven't necessarily got worse if you think about damp houses, no heating, poverty, smoking, drinking, industrial manufacturing, unsanitary streets from people throwing shit into the streets, plague, rodents etc.. yet half the comments seem to be worried about processed food.
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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"Work out, eat fresh food not processed, don't smoke, look after your body and nothing to worry about
Other than the totally healthy people who died of cancer already mentioned in the thread then
If its gonna get you it will get you … enjoy your life while you have it "
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Basically, everyone dies of cancer unless they die of something else earlier. With advances in health care that provide prevention and cure of many formerly fatal conditions, more people now get to live long enough for cancer to be the recognised cause of death. Also, we now have better diagnostics and more understanding of what conditions are caused by cancers, so many deaths are now known to be due to forms of cancer which 50 years ago might have just been listed as a non-specific "internal lump" or "organ failure".
When my dad had prostate cancer his specialist told him that basically all men get prostate cancer if they live long enough, and all men will die of prostate cancer, unless they die of something else first. What varies from person to person of course, and is heavily dependent upon both the individuals genes and on what mutagenic factors they may be exposed to in their environment, is whether the cancer would get them at age 2, or 20, or 50, or 80, or 120. It is basically a lottery, where getting all 9's is the jackpot you _don't_ want to come up. But your genes dictate whether you pull just two balls, or three balls, or five balls, or maybe eight balls. And your environment dictates how often the lottery runs, is it daily, or weekly, or monthly, or maybe only once a year. Given enough runs, eventually everyone would draw their jackpot. And even if you've got the best genes in the world (8 balls) and the best environment in the world (draw only annually) it's still possible to draw the losing ticket first time. Or with terrible genes (only two 9's needed) and living next door to a radioactive chemical factory (draw every ten minutes) you might just be able to ride a wave of good luck and survive for many years - then perhaps die falling downstairs... |
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"Will get cancer... Wtf. is that just in our country? Or the west or all 8 billion of us?
What are we doing or not doing that's caused such growth in cancer sufferer numbers? And what can be done to lower those numbers? It's mind blowing how 1 in 2 of us will get cancer at some point. "
We’re surviving all the other causes of death and living longer than ever before. Go back 150 years and nobody got old enough to get cancer |
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Coming into contact with hazardous substances, processed food, where you live (radon), can all have an effect on getting cancer.
You can also get it through an injury, my nan fell and hit her chest on a table. She ended up with breast cancer.
You can get throat cancer from giving oral sex to people, along with various other sex acts. |
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I had testicular cancer years ago, the Drs. reckon it was after a bad motorbike crash. I hit a car and went over the bonnet of the car, but must have hit the tank with them. Few months later I noticed a change. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Processed foodUnsafe productsRadio waves
What you have there is technically called a bunch of nonsense.
There are genuine reasons for cancer’s increased prevalence and visibility. They’ve been explained right here in this thread multiple times.
As for what actually causes cancers … there’s no simple answer. But tobacco causes about 30% of cases. Obesity about 30%. Alcohol about 10%. About 18% of cases come from infectious diseases like HPV. And work-related exposure to hazards like asbestos or benzene cause a fair percentage too."
Underlying conditions. Diabetics type 2 for example are at higher risk of developing cancers than someone who isn't. And so on. |
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"Will get cancer... Wtf. is that just in our country? Or the west or all 8 billion of us?
What are we doing or not doing that's caused such growth in cancer sufferer numbers? And what can be done to lower those numbers? It's mind blowing how 1 in 2 of us will get cancer at some point.
We’re surviving all the other causes of death and living longer than ever before. Go back 150 years and nobody got old enough to get cancer"
^^^Pretty much this. The ageing population is the biggest factor in increased cancer rates. Also, as someone else pointed out, we now carry out lots of routine screening, e.g. for cervical, breast, bowel cancers. This can pick up cancers before any symptoms occur - back "in the day", some of the people identified via screening would have died of other causes before the cancer caused their death. The routine screening means an increase in identified/recorded cancer cases. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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I have a strong self belief system and this kind of mindset helps maintain a healthy body and mind, I manifest a self belief system and don't accept negative thoughts and I have a healthy diet home cooked food only not processed.. never touch tap water glass bottled spring water only.. avoid subjecting yourself to worrying about an illness .. this will probably attract some negative comments |
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By (user no longer on site)
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can I point out that 1 in 1 of us will die at some point.
But, seriously, I have seen the ads but not the scientific research that backs it. It is logical that with more people then more instances of cancer but the last time I saw figures mentioned the ratio was going down. Few years ago admittedly but I'm sceptical of the claims
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"I have a strong self belief system and this kind of mindset helps maintain a healthy body and mind, I manifest a self belief system and don't accept negative thoughts and I have a healthy diet home cooked food only not processed.. never touch tap water glass bottled spring water only.. avoid subjecting yourself to worrying about an illness .. this will probably attract some negative comments"
Ah yes. It's my lack of self belief and consumption of corporation pop that's lead me to this hospital bed.
What codswallop! |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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"I have a strong self belief system and this kind of mindset helps maintain a healthy body and mind, I manifest a self belief system and don't accept negative thoughts and I have a healthy diet home cooked food only not processed.. never touch tap water glass bottled spring water only.. avoid subjecting yourself to worrying about an illness .. this will probably attract some negative comments
Ah yes. It's my lack of self belief and consumption of corporation pop that's lead me to this hospital bed.
What codswallop! "
Pure negative |
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"I have a strong self belief system and this kind of mindset helps maintain a healthy body and mind, I manifest a self belief system and don't accept negative thoughts and I have a healthy diet home cooked food only not processed.. never touch tap water glass bottled spring water only.. avoid subjecting yourself to worrying about an illness .. this will probably attract some negative comments
Ah yes. It's my lack of self belief and consumption of corporation pop that's lead me to this hospital bed.
What codswallop!
Pure negative "
So, a bit of positive thinking is going to have me leaping up and dancing a jig? I'll give it a go...... |
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