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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

Of course it does, and to present otherwise is insanely naive. Racism comes in all forms and guises.

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By *lackshadow7Man over a year ago

Toronto

Yes.

Next question.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

He is extremely wrong.

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By *elpful and caringMan over a year ago

Scarborough

Yes it is.

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By *lephantisMan over a year ago

Oxford

Not only racist, but more racist the higher-up in society you go. It is absolutely endemic in our media.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think all countries are racist to a certain extent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not just England, all over the World there's some form of discrimination be it: sex, transgender identity or expression, ethnicity, religion or other belief, disability, sexual orientation and age. We humans are riddled with fault.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"
doesn't make it a racist country. Otherwise England is a vegan country !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

The country itself isn’t , opportunity isn’t based on race - he’s clear evidence of that , just like when Obama got elected in the US but many of the people are , very racist, inward looking and sexist, homophobic, transphobic etc.

What is acceptable to say has changed a lot since the 1980s but the way many people think hasn’t changed much and and in some cases it’s worse, party due to our right wing controlled media.

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By *arkandlovelyWoman over a year ago

South Derbyshire

I think we're less racist than many countries (and I'm not implying that's something we should congratulate ourselves over) but that it's much more covert in the UK which probably enables us to underplay the true extent of it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

No Tom..

But it is a country with racists..

And with homophobes etc etc..

As are other countries to a lesser or greater degree..

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Inevitably our country has some racists (which doesn't), but they are in a tiny minority, and decreasing. Moreover, they are not confined to one particular demographic either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who cares ffs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not the whole of every country is racist but every country has racism whether people choose to see it or not.

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By *etcplCouple over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

The country isn’t racist.

The people who live here though…

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By *mber and FireCouple over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"Who cares ffs."

People who suffer from racism might.

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

Absolutely,,

No Question about it.

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By *lackshadow7Man over a year ago

Toronto

"Who cares ffs."

I’d call you a clown, but that would be offensive to actual clowns.

If you have nothing useful to contribute, scroll on by and let adults do the talking here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who cares ffs."

Said every racist white man ever

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By *lackshadow7Man over a year ago

Toronto

"I think we're less racist than many countries (and I'm not implying that's something we should congratulate ourselves over) but that it's much more covert in the UK which probably enables us to underplay the true extent of it."

Thing is… it isn’t even covert anymore. Back when i lived there, it was definitely more of an undercurrent. The sort of thing people still got shamed for.

Then a resurgent Tory party + right wing populism (bolstered by events in the US) + Brexit. Now folks are bold about their racism. Hell they spout it unprompted.

Your country today is radically different from 10 years ago. Covert racism is all but gone.

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"Who cares ffs.

Said every racist white man ever "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree with this. I think this country has a better way of phrasing things that may be racist in nature, but vague enough to plead innocence

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

Thing is… it isn’t even covert anymore. Back when i lived there, it was definitely more of an undercurrent. The sort of thing people still got shamed for.

Then a resurgent Tory party + right wing populism (bolstered by events in the US) + Brexit. Now folks are bold about their racism. Hell they spout it unprompted.

Your country today is radically different from 10 years ago. Covert racism is all but gone."

I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple over a year ago

Leeds

Yes and no. In my opinion it has been fading out since I was a boy, as people start to see people for people and not a stereotype based on skin colour. But there will always be the out dated views of the few that pass down from generation to generation. Thing is with racism is it will always exist as it is a weapon, while it offends people it will be used.

The mr

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"Inevitably our country has some racists (which doesn't), but they are in a tiny minority, and decreasing. Moreover, they are not confined to one particular demographic either."

Outwardly racist people may be a minority (though not as much of one as I used to think) but we also have issues with racist policies and institutional racism within thinks like our laws, the police service, education and healthcare.

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

Chesterfield

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on. "

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol

Yes we are still a racist country.

Compared to 50 years ago we are much less racist, so I like to think things are moving in the right direction...

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By *akingMemoriesMan over a year ago

Toronto

Britain is a racist country. As a black guy however, I believe that class is a bigger problem. My international students are always shocked at how entrenched and explicit the class system is here.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"Britain is a racist country. As a black guy however, I believe that class is a bigger problem. My international students are always shocked at how entrenched and explicit the class system is here."

Agreed. Racism is a big problem here, but classism is so firmly entrenched that it's arguably more of a problem. We have a government that unashamedly promotes both.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

We have a Home Secretary who dreams of deporting refugees to Rwanda.

We have a police force that are institutionally racist.

We have a TV celebrity who wrote in the biggest selling tabloid about a person of colour being paraded naked through the streets while people throw shit at her.

One of this years 3 prime ministers compared Muslim women to letter boxes and Africans as picaninies with water melon smiles.

When a white footballer missed a penalty this year he wasn't presented with the same level of abuse and as far as I'm aware not of it mentioned his ethnicity as when black footballers missed penalties last year (or was it 2020).

I'm not sure how you define a racist country, but let's not kid ourselves this country doesn't have a problem with race.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. To me, saying a country is racist means that the whole country and all systems and citizens within it are racist.

That’s definitely not the case in England.

There’s definitely pockets where racism is awful. But in general England is a welcoming, open and forward thinking place. It’s way more multicultural than most other places in the world - by far.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think the country as a whole is. I can't remember who said it, but one black commentator said he thought Britain was one of the least racist places overall. That's the key, there will always be some racism along with all the other isms. It's a case of how much spoils the barrel. Saying the country is racist because there is racism to be easily found is like saying the country supports Manchester based football teams because it's not hard to find those either. But I don't think it's part of our definition as a nation, culturally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

England France etc still force African countries to pay colonial taxes need I say more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England France etc still force African countries to pay colonial taxes need I say more "

Yes say more… what do you mean? And how is it racist?

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By *lackshadow7Man over a year ago

Toronto

"No. To me, saying a country is racist means that the whole country and all systems and citizens within it are racist.

That’s definitely not the case in England.

There’s definitely pockets where racism is awful. But in general England is a welcoming, open and forward thinking place. It’s way more multicultural than most other places in the world - by far."

A country being multicultural doesn’t mean it isn’t racist. Like these are pretty simple, surface level, terms here.

The US is incredibly multicultural, and is absolutely, a racist country.

Canada is more multicultural than the UK, and guess what? Is also racist. At the very least, there is a concerted effort here to acknowledge that and do something about it at the highest levels of power.

Then there’s the UK, where you’d seemingly rather bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is sunshine and rainbows. Exasperating.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

There's a massive difference between a country having racists and a country BEING racist.

I don't think England is a racist country as by and large British people are very tolerant and accepting and there are many opportunities for anybody of any background to progress and succeed.

Obviously there are some racist British people which is a shame, but thankfully there are in the minority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England France etc still force African countries to pay colonial taxes need I say more "

Err what? You mean African countries where overseas aid is sent and rather large amounts money invested in many many many projects?

Seems a bit daft to then tax countries on money you’ve essentially given them

I think you may have misheard this or confused it somehow

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The UK is still pretty racist, as are pretty much most, if not all countries

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By *hocolate37Man over a year ago

Heathrow

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries."

Hinduism and Islam are religions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries."

But the country didn't vote for him and they would pick a posh white man at any chance they got. If he had of run for election, I can only imagine how hard the right wing would have come out in full force.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries."

He overwhelmingly lost to Truss. And the tories made sure that the membership didn't decide this time round.

I think that suggests that even within the tiny minority that elected him leader of the party a lot did not want him there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. To me, saying a country is racist means that the whole country and all systems and citizens within it are racist.

That’s definitely not the case in England.

There’s definitely pockets where racism is awful. But in general England is a welcoming, open and forward thinking place. It’s way more multicultural than most other places in the world - by far.

A country being multicultural doesn’t mean it isn’t racist. Like these are pretty simple, surface level, terms here.

The US is incredibly multicultural, and is absolutely, a racist country.

Then there’s the UK, where you’d seemingly rather bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is sunshine and rainbows. Exasperating."

I’ve been to those countries you’ve mentioned many times and guess what - the areas that are multicultural are NOT racist. Same with those areas in Canada. You’re really over simplifying things. Not to mention the totally different recent history and dynamics within the U.K. vs USA. They’re not even comparable anyway

If people want to pretend England and the U.K. are like 1940’s Germany then they’re kidding themselves.

I’ve been everywhere: all over the americas, China, Japan, Korea, all of Europe, all over south and south east Asia, australia, west Africa, Caribbean etc etc

And England is less racist than all of those places - by a mile.

In fact most of those other countries are racist not only to outsiders but also to their own indigenous ethnic groups based on stupid things like facial features or skin tone.

There’s some bigots here for certain but it’s no way near being a “racist country”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

I thought they only put Liz in so that anyone after her would look absolutely amazing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

Hinduism and Islam are religions.

Religions that are inextricably tied with race and ethnic group. 99% of people are born into religion.

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

Well depends on who you ask but us personally we know afew immigrants and 99% of them have experienced some kind of racial abuse and sadly has got worse ( and the figures from the police etc etc prove it) since brexit and even worse racism or racist people tend to be homophonic ....Tank topped bum boys ...Water melon smile ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

Hinduism and Islam are religions.

Religions that are inextricably tied with race and ethnic group. 99% of people are born into religion."

Anybody can convert to Islam and Hinduism, you can’t convert to being black, yes a majority are of certain ethnicity but a religion still isn’t a race

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Not the whole of every country is racist but every country has racism whether people choose to see it or not."

This

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By *rincess1988Woman over a year ago

South Oxfordshire

As an Asian woman, yes. Still a racist country. Along with other countries though.

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

The term "a racist country" is pretty meaningless because the level of racism that make a country "a racist country" is not defined, even if there was some accurate way of measuring it.

This country is probably not the worst and probably not the best, but there is racism in this country. We need to put an end to it wherever possible. That's what counts - not meaningless terms.

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By *ritIndianCoupleCouple over a year ago

Midlands

I personally have experienced racism many times and I have to say that Brexit had made things much worse. It became more overt and some people seem to think it’s more acceptable. The number of times I have been told to get back to where I came from in the last few years. I am a proud Yorkshire lass and will happily go back there but I don’t think that’s what they meant.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England France etc still force African countries to pay colonial taxes need I say more

Err what? You mean African countries where overseas aid is sent and rather large amounts money invested in many many many projects?

Seems a bit daft to then tax countries on money you’ve essentially given them

I think you may have misheard this or confused it somehow

Gordon Brown canceled 3rd world debt owed to the UK, following the Drop the Debt/Jubilee 2000 movement in the late 90s. While many African or other 3rd world countries may owe the UK money, this isn't historical debt and interest on interest loan shark style like previous debt was, and is from more recent loans or aid programmes

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By *orzagMan over a year ago

Colchester

I have come to dread the phrase "I'm not racist, but..." because it is usually followed by racist remarks.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

Contrary to a lot of what has been said I think racism has increased in the last 10 years. We have become more polarised as a population in my opinion.

I do think racism has changed however, in that it was more visible and audible in the past and now it is more nuanced with people being “wound up” by certain media outlets and voicing opinions in echo chambers whilst being “careful” when in general company.

I happen to think that this is a more dangerous form of racism as it is creating division in a cell-like structure which will have a long-term impact on equal opportunity

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Of course it bas racists. It also has some politicians and media that fan the flanes of racism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The UK is a racist country.

I’ve dated Americans and they comment how the UK is racist in different ways. We are essentially very sneaky in how we are racist .

Rishi being of Indian doesn’t sadly make the UK any less racist.

This will be my only comment as I don’t want to come across as an angry brown guy, when my emotions get high on this topic.

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By *hocolate37Man over a year ago

Heathrow

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

Hinduism and Islam are religions.

Religions that are inextricably tied with race and ethnic group. 99% of people are born into religion.

Anybody can convert to Islam and Hinduism, you can’t convert to being black, yes a majority are of certain ethnicity but a religion still isn’t a race "

...the fact that this even needed explaining...

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By *mber and FireCouple over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"The UK is a racist country.

I’ve dated Americans and they comment how the UK is racist in different ways. We are essentially very sneaky in how we are racist .

Rishi being of Indian doesn’t sadly make the UK any less racist.

This will be my only comment as I don’t want to come across as an angry brown guy, when my emotions get high on this topic. "

Priti Patel's dumbass policies also back this up.

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

With the events that kicked off this side of the pond after BLM movement became an unstoppable force, and the reaction to the certain events like removal of statues and with ordinary joe soaps still thinking That the likes of Churchill as still a hero when the man was an out and out Racist, you could be forviven in thinking the numbers are much higher than peoole think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Speaking as an Australian... (we raised casual racism to an artform)

YES.

Very much so.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Good lord no! Everyone is treated the same here. Rich, poor, black, white, brown. We care for our elderly, vulnerable and sick and nobody is hungry or cold.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Racist country? No.

Does racism exist here? It exists everywhere in the world, and as long as there are cultural differences, inequality and disparity in quality of life, it'll continue to exist.

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By *Cocksucker84Man over a year ago

newcastle

Yes. Look at feeds on social media sites and there's racism in abundance. Sadly It's become a very selfish place. It's a race to the bottom as people argue with each other over why everyone should be miserable and unhappy because others have it worse or have had it worse in the past. The media has a lot to answer for in stoking up a hatred of immigrants/asylum seekers and people of colour who are in the public eye. As soon as people start to bin rags like The Sun we'll be a far better country.

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"Yes. Look at feeds on social media sites and there's racism in abundance. Sadly It's become a very selfish place. It's a race to the bottom as people argue with each other over why everyone should be miserable and unhappy because others have it worse or have had it worse in the past. The media has a lot to answer for in stoking up a hatred of immigrants/asylum seekers and people of colour who are in the public eye. As soon as people start to bin rags like The Sun we'll be a far better country. "

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By *amesBeelzebubMan over a year ago

norwich

I think the UK is a pretty racist country.

We may like to think we are a welcoming society and maybe alot of the racism is not intended to be nasty. But it's there.

Even seemingly simple things like calling a takeaway a chinky or mentioning if someone was 'black' despite it having no relevance to what you are talking about

Im often racist without realising it.

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By *entBarryUKMan over a year ago

Ashford

I don't want to believe it, but it definitely seems to have a lot of racist idiots living here.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

yes we are a racist country just like every country in the world is too..

but not all people are racist im a west midlands girl all my friends growing up were all from different back grounds but when i moved to the southwest i was shocked at the casual racism its much much better today but any racism is too much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My first introduction to racism was at school..where the black kids would give any other black kid a hard time if they hung around with white kids...Uncle Toms was the label they were given...racism comes from all colours.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

We're certainly xenophobic as a society too. Can't have Johnny foreigner taking over don't you know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

Next question."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This country is racist as fuck, you get the people saying ‘I’m not racist but…’ all the time, why does the call centre have to be in Bangalore? Well because it’s cheaper and those people are just doing their job and also can speak two languages which is usually one more than the I’m not racist but guy, who because he tells everyone he’s not racist then he’s not racist, we all bleed the same, why do we have to label migrants as such, it’s the government’s and the media that try to enforce tribalism which also in history points to it working when it’s small tribes, but not large cities, we shouldn’t be excluding anyone based on anything at all

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"We're certainly xenophobic as a society too. Can't have Johnny foreigner taking over don't you know."
i can vouch for that one,,,

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"We're certainly xenophobic as a society too. Can't have Johnny foreigner taking over don't you know. i can vouch for that one,,, "

Us too, usually dresses up as hilarious 'banter'

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By *ustamanMan over a year ago

weymouth

I think it to varying extents always has been, of late I think with the press whipping up xenophobia it got significantly worse

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"We're certainly xenophobic as a society too. Can't have Johnny foreigner taking over don't you know. i can vouch for that one,,,

Us too, usually dresses up as hilarious 'banter'

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i think we may be coming at it from opposite ends thought,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. To me, saying a country is racist means that the whole country and all systems and citizens within it are racist.

That’s definitely not the case in England.

There’s definitely pockets where racism is awful. But in general England is a welcoming, open and forward thinking place. It’s way more multicultural than most other places in the world - by far.

A country being multicultural doesn’t mean it isn’t racist. Like these are pretty simple, surface level, terms here.

The US is incredibly multicultural, and is absolutely, a racist country.

Then there’s the UK, where you’d seemingly rather bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is sunshine and rainbows. Exasperating."

Do you know of any country that has no racism at all?

And NO - I am not a racist whatsoever and have both black and white brths and sistrs

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"We're certainly xenophobic as a society too. Can't have Johnny foreigner taking over don't you know. i can vouch for that one,,,

Us too, usually dresses up as hilarious 'banter'

i think we may be coming at it from opposite ends thought,,

In what way?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This country is racist as fuck, you get the people saying ‘I’m not racist but…’ all the time, why does the call centre have to be in Bangalore? Well because it’s cheaper and those people are just doing their job and also can speak two languages which is usually one more than the I’m not racist but guy, who because he tells everyone he’s not racist then he’s not racist, we all bleed the same, why do we have to label migrants as such, it’s the government’s and the media that try to enforce tribalism which also in history points to it working when it’s small tribes, but not large cities, we shouldn’t be excluding anyone based on anything at all"

I don’t like these kinds of arguments. It’s not racist to say that you want a call centre that’s a) benefitting the local economy and b) managed by staff that can understand the multiple various U.K. accents.

Cutting costs also isn’t an incentive for the customer. If anything that’s making the customer feel even more ripped off. They’re paying the same as before even though the company is cost cutting.

I say this as someone who has worked with a ton of off-shore suppliers and had to review their performance. There are very definite communication issues that result in a lower quality of service in some cases. Especially in complex cases or when dealing with strong accents aka the north of England. There’s also some cultural misunderstanding and a really strong over reliance on scripts when compared to U.K. based call handlers.

Again, it’s not racist unless your only reason for not liking it is solely because of their “race” (I hate that term but can’t think of another at the mo).

I feel like the odd one out because although I have experienced bad racism - I feel that instead of making me believe everyone is racist it’s done the opposite.

it’s given me the ability to distinguish actual real racism vs not racist at all.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

England has a name for everyone else, examples such as, Taff's, Jocks, Paddies, Froggies, Krauts, Convicts and so on.

Is that racist these days?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As the guy above says. Operating in a global economy is not racist. Been going on for years. Yje English bought the Irish here for cheap labour years before any off shoring started. They were called Navies... because they were bought over to dig the canals so English people didn't have to do. For most of my life, being Irish meant being thick... the butt of all the jokes. Racism is not just about colour. The UK is racist but not nearly as much as other countries. I have travelled the world. America and Australia are much worse than the UK. It will be a long road before Racism ever ends, I don't think it ever will.

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

* we don't actually fuck sheep over here

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

"England has a name for everyone else, examples such as, Taff's, Jocks, Paddies, Froggies, Krauts, Convicts and so on.

Is that racist these days?

and none of them have a name for england ??

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By *lackshadow7Man over a year ago

Toronto

"Do you know of any country that has no racism at all?

And NO - I am not a racist whatsoever and have both black and white brths and sistrs

1: I never said no country has no racism at all. But if we are keeping things objective, Britain’s history already puts it at a disadvantage when it comes to determining how “racist” a country is.

2: Is the wink to indicate sarcasm, or deflection?

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

illegal immigration has nothing to do with racism for most is more to do with money and lifestyles than skin colour you only have to look at those who complain is a very very mixed bag of people ..

its about money whos paid in what taxes / schools / hospitals (oh the irony) some moan its all men it really is a mixed bag yes there are some aiming racism but there's more blaming it on other stuff

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know of any country that has no racism at all?

And NO - I am not a racist whatsoever and have both black and white brths and sistrs

2: Is the wink to indicate sarcasm, or deflection?"

I suppose firstly the question was about England, but going back to Britain, I'm not quite sure how history, is relevant? Society progresses, and like it or not its usually at a cost to people.

Every country has exploited where possible and bland generic statements do an injustice to actual victims of racism.

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By *eliusMan over a year ago

Henlow

I wouldn’t say we are a rascist country, but unfortunately, we do have a number of people living here (and not just native English) who are rascist.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

tho true but at the time it was us ..spain ..Portugal ...the dutch and many others its was a time of take over or be taken over ... slav**y was a world wide issue but it was in no way just a white man only problem ...history is horrific no matter where your from your history will be bloody ..

we can only strive to be better as humans forward thinking learning from our past mistakes ..

we will never live in a perfect world we can hope but it will never happen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we can only strive to be better as humans forward thinking learning from our past mistakes ..

we will never live in a perfect world we can hope but it will never happen"

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By *izzy RascallMan over a year ago

Cardiff

"England has a name for everyone else, examples such as, Taff's, Jocks, Paddies, Froggies, Krauts, Convicts and so on.

Is that racist these days?

and none of them have a name for england ?? "

Not that I'm aware but that doesn't mean they don't.

Besides, the thread title is about England and I was asking if those names equates to racism

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By *ent in BlackMan over a year ago

Silsden

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

Every country is racist. It’s how the people who live in a country deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

"Do you know of any country that has no racism at all?

And NO - I am not a racist whatsoever and have both black and white brths and sistrs

2: Is the wink to indicate sarcasm, or deflection?"

"Britain’s history already puts it at a disadvantage when it comes to determining how “racist” a country is"

How so?

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By *tephanjMan over a year ago

Kettering

England is not racist some individuals are but that is not a majority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"England France etc still force African countries to pay colonial taxes need I say more

Yes say more… what do you mean? And how is it racist?"

How is it racist to enforce colonial taxes in modern times? Is that what your asking?

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By *uer MalusMan over a year ago

Narnia

FFS, is there nowhere we can step away from the victim mentality and woe is me…

The broad brush accusers can fuck off! Have you seen how racist black South Africans are towards people from Zimbabwe and Mozambique? Having lived in German, France, Japan and Saudi too and can confirm that they have similar levels of prejudice, not necessarily toward people of African decent but that does not interest the narrative.

I don’t understand white people’s desire for self-flagellation… somehow thinking it makes you look virtuous. Pathetic.

Take each case on its merit or demerit and if people act poorly then we take them to task but carrying the cross of white privilege indefinitely is not for me.

Not every white person is a racist in the same way the not every black person is free of prejudice.

The politically correct culture that wants to maintain the gaslighting of every white person is very unhealthy.

I see how people on here enjoy interracial fun and see that no prejudice is tolerated here, I am grateful for that.

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"Yes we are still a racist country.

Compared to 50 years ago we are much less racist, so I like to think things are moving in the right direction... "

And a lot less than the US then and now.

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"FFS, is there nowhere we can step away from the victim mentality and woe is me…

I don’t understand white people’s desire for self-flagellation… somehow thinking it makes you look virtuous. Pathetic.

Take each case on its merit or demerit and if people act poorly then we take them to task but carrying the cross of white privilege indefinitely is not for me.

Not every white person is a racist in the same way the not every black person is free of prejudice.

The politically correct culture that wants to maintain the gaslighting of every white person is very unhealthy.

I see how people on here enjoy interracial fun and see that no prejudice is tolerated here, I am grateful for that."

there we have it Folks, Fab Ninja has cleared that issue right up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

See what you have started tom

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

He is correct. A country can hardly be racist. People in it can be be.

Is everyone in England racist? No.

Are there elements of racism in every community in England? Yes.

Every country has elements of racism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it can be at times.

If I step outside London I feel like a foreigner especially in rural ‘white areas’ even in Asian majority areas you get raised glances. I don’t feel safe in the countryside unless I’m with others as I had many bad experiences at university.

But in retrospect it’s not as bad as countries like America etc and other European nations.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yes. I thought it was going the right way until 2016, but we seem to be going backwards.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple over a year ago

Cumbria

Would not say countries are racist but what is racist are most people and not limited to just skin colour.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

He said Britain, Tom.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes it can be at times.

But in retrospect it’s not as bad as countries like America etc and other European nations."

In my opinion it’s a fallacy to compare racism in the UK versus how it’s played out on the continent and USA. Racism is just different, some might be overtly violent or unashamedly verbally expressed to your face. It doesn’t mean it’s more or less racist then the UK. It’s just a different form of racist expression.

I do agree that racism in London is less overtly ‘in your face’ then outside of London.

The key question is: do white people believe racism exists in 2022? If a person agrees it exits, that’s progress.

There I go not making further comments on this thread.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism "

No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"FFS, is there nowhere we can step away from the victim mentality and woe is me…

I don’t understand white people’s desire for self-flagellation… somehow thinking it makes you look virtuous. Pathetic.

Take each case on its merit or demerit and if people act poorly then we take them to task but carrying the cross of white privilege indefinitely is not for me.

Not every white person is a racist in the same way the not every black person is free of prejudice.

The politically correct culture that wants to maintain the gaslighting of every white person is very unhealthy.

I see how people on here enjoy interracial fun and see that no prejudice is tolerated here, I am grateful for that."

I wanted to share this excerpt from a friend who shared online.

Now, by accident of birth, you are 'white' in this system, which means that sadly, in this perpetuation, you are more likely to find yourself on the side that does the oppression. Doesn't mean you are actively and intentionally doing it - just means that you are more likely to repeat it.

If you want to stop perpetuating it, then you would need to be more careful about what you do, how you act toward people on the other side of the racial divide, and what you assume about yourself. It's because of all of this that it's always a good rule of thumb to start from the position of questioning whether what you're doing repeats the patterns of racism, rather than starting with the assumption that whatever you're doing can't be racist, because you do not ascribe to the explicit beliefs of racism.

And if you don't want to stop perpetuating it, well, to be honest, things will be a lot easier for you. You won't need to question yourself, or give up any of the comfort, emotional safety, and belief in your essential goodness that comes with questioning yourself, or worse, questioning yourself and then accepting that something you did or said perpetuates a racist system.

This is a choice that we all face, and it's up to any of us to choose which way we go. But I'd say that if we do arrive at this choice, recognise it, and then actively choose not to stop perpetuating a racist system of assumptions and learned behaviours just because it would be more comfortable? Well, if someone does that, I'd be comfortable calling them a racist.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

"No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns. "

for example ? at least say what it was that was racist so peoplr know what you mean ?

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By *he AmbassadorMan over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism

No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns. "

well there were enough news mics/cameras on the streets asking for opinions before the vote, and enough of them had racial motives for the up coming vote,,

Words like get them out and bring back the good auld days before migration,, and sure as ffk she wasnt taking about Eastern Euro fruit pickers or table waiters, so i get what you are saying,

Captain Nigel on his boat in the channel didnt help the immage either,

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns.

for example ? at least say what it was that was racist so peoplr know what you mean ? "

There was shit loads of it, it was ubiquitous. You would have seen lots of it I'm sure. So I am not sure why are you asking for an example. However.

Farage standing in from of billboards with brown people walking across the countryside with slogans about "them" coming here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism

No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns. "

Actually racism was used by the “remain” side. They repeatedly tried to associate “leavers” with being racist and attempted to use it as a tool to dissuade people from voting leave.

“If you vote leave you’re racist” was and still is being touted about.

It annoys me because as someone who’s been a victim of racism, I hate being used as a pawn. Especially when it’s unfounded.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism

No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns.

well there were enough news mics/cameras on the streets asking for opinions before the vote, and enough of them had racial motives for the up coming vote,,

Words like get them out and bring back the good auld days before migration,, and sure as ffk she wasnt taking about Eastern Euro fruit pickers or table waiters, so i get what you are saying,

Captain Nigel on his boat in the channel didnt help the immage either, "

It was very effective.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"I remember clips of mics in the street asking people how they would vote for Brexit,

I couldnt get over some of the Answers, straight faced into a camera, there was no hiding it from then on.

I was appalled by how some people think. But when they’ve got the Murdoch press telling them to blame anyone who doesn’t look like them, instead of the govt, it’s hardly surprising.

Brexit wasn’t even about racism

No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns.

Actually racism was used by the “remain” side. They repeatedly tried to associate “leavers” with being racist and attempted to use it as a tool to dissuade people from voting leave.

“If you vote leave you’re racist” was and still is being touted about.

It annoys me because as someone who’s been a victim of racism, I hate being used as a pawn. Especially when it’s unfounded."

I'm not talking about people who voted leave. I'm talking about the leave campaigns. To say they didn't use racism and xenophobia to encourage people to vote leave is simply not an accurate statement.

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By *erces LetiferMan over a year ago

Somewhere off the edge of the map... 'ere there be monsters

Not particularly, no. We have one of the most tolerant, multicultural societies that has ever existed in the history of humanity.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

"No, but racism was one of the tools used by the leave campaigns.

for example ? at least say what it was that was racist so peoplr know what you mean ?

There was shit loads of it, it was ubiquitous. You would have seen lots of it I'm sure. So I am not sure why are you asking for an example. However.

Farage standing in from of billboards with brown people walking across the countryside with slogans about "them" coming here.

i only asked that you say why ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

I thought they only put Liz in so that anyone after her would look absolutely amazing. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope England isn't a racist Country

Do we have racists living here yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries.

Hinduism and Islam are religions.

Religions with a long history of racism.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

" I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. "

people need to remember mr Sunak was NOT voted in by the people

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By *uer MalusMan over a year ago

Narnia

"FFS, is there nowhere we can step away from the victim mentality and woe is me…

I don’t understand white people’s desire for self-flagellation… somehow thinking it makes you look virtuous. Pathetic.

Take each case on its merit or demerit and if people act poorly then we take them to task but carrying the cross of white privilege indefinitely is not for me.

Not every white person is a racist in the same way the not every black person is free of prejudice.

The politically correct culture that wants to maintain the gaslighting of every white person is very unhealthy.

I see how people on here enjoy interracial fun and see that no prejudice is tolerated here, I am grateful for that.

I wanted to share this excerpt from a friend who shared online.

Nonsense, utter twaddle. I don’t have accept that I am “more likely to end up on the side of the oppressor”

That is exactly the narrative that I reject.

That is like me saying, black people are more likely to commit crime!! That would be INCREDIBLY PREJUDICED AND TOTALLY UNFOUNDED.

Stop gaslighting, it simply increases the risk of division.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Yes. I thought it was going the right way until 2016, but we seem to be going backwards."

What happened in 2016 ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just look at brexit

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Just look at brexit "

Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just look at brexit

Brexit?"

Brexit?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Just look at brexit

Brexit?

Brexit?"

Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just look at brexit

Brexit?

Brexit?"

You can say that again.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

What was racist about Brexit apart from the left stirring the pot..

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

"FFS, is there nowhere we can step away from the victim mentality and woe is me…

I don’t understand white people’s desire for self-flagellation… somehow thinking it makes you look virtuous. Pathetic.

Take each case on its merit or demerit and if people act poorly then we take them to task but carrying the cross of white privilege indefinitely is not for me.

Not every white person is a racist in the same way the not every black person is free of prejudice.

The politically correct culture that wants to maintain the gaslighting of every white person is very unhealthy.

I see how people on here enjoy interracial fun and see that no prejudice is tolerated here, I am grateful for that.

I wanted to share this excerpt from a friend who shared online.

Hang on this excerpt infers that If I'm white I am sided with oppressors. Yet it goes on to mention "racist system of assumptions". Sublime irony.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What was racist about Brexit apart from the left stirring the pot.. "

How they didn’t want Syrian migrants at the Calais border to come here. How foreigners were taking jobs from British people even though immigration is good for the economy and London has diverse cultures

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By *atnip make me purrWoman over a year ago

Reading

I'm not sure that white people have the information necessary to answer this question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not only racist, but more racist the higher-up in society you go. It is absolutely endemic in our media."

There was a podcast i listened too that concluded racism increases the further north you go in the U.K.

I'd certainly agree with that, especially a few decades back, like in the 70s/80s etc.

It's a bit like the further you venture into the deep south in America, the more you'll encounter old fashioned attitudes etc.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

"I'm not sure that white people have the information necessary to answer this question. "

why ?? anyone can be racist colour of skin means nothing

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By *erces LetiferMan over a year ago

Somewhere off the edge of the map... 'ere there be monsters

"I'm not sure that white people have the information necessary to answer this question."

Wow. A blanket judgement/statement about a group of people based on their skin colour. It's almost as it this comment is the dictionary definition of what racism is... crazy.

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By *ovelifelovefuntimesMan over a year ago

Where ever I lay my hat

I think the vast majority of Britain's are racially tolerant, fundamentally decent people who will judge people on what they do and say rather than on where they are from or the colour of their skin or the religion they follow. However, there will always, and I say this sadly, be a small minority of bigots who get more focus than they deserve. I like to focus on the positive. One of my mates recently was talking about my Dad's Xmas curry. I told him our Indian neighbours taught him the recipe and he taught them how to cook apple pie. That is the society I want to live in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure that white people have the information necessary to answer this question. "

Why white people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To all the people that say yes, Britain is racist. I have a question.

Are you racist? Or is it that everyone else is the problem but not you?

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By *inky_CarpenterMan over a year ago

Portsmouth

Have to admit, I was surprised at how racist it is here. I had hoped that I was getting away from that when I left South Africa. (Internationally the British had a reputation for tolerance, fairness and politeness) Sadly even before Brexit it was immediately apparent that there is a lot of deep rooted and suppressed bigotry, racism and intolerance here, just like any other country.

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By *1c4yMan over a year ago

stourbridge

England is not a racist country but we cant deny there aren't racist people that live in England.

Most of the UK today (media / large companies) have gone extreme PC and ONLY look to employ people representing women, BAME and LGBT.

Companies and organisations are fearful of being branded ''racist'' which could do irreversible damage their reputation if they dont have a diverse workforce.

The only downside would mean the best candidate doesnt always get the job if he/she doesnt ''tick the diversity box''

If you need examples just watch TV adverts / sports.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?"

Rishi has said this country is not racist, now I know his a fibber.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the first thing is to understand what it means for a country to be racist.

As it is currently, there are no UK laws that prevent people from other race from getting what white people get or go to places where white people go.

However people have individual biases and some can be blatantly racist. This is not peculiar to UK - it's what happens in every nation on the earth. In other countries, you have the case where one tribe hates the other tribes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the first thing is to understand what it means for a country to be racist.

As it is currently, there are no UK laws that prevent people from other race from getting what white people get or go to places where white people go.

Until the day a law is passed banning swirling - I won't agree UK as a country is racist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No more so than any other

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"England is not a racist country but we cant deny there aren't racist people that live in England.

Most of the UK today (media / large companies) have gone extreme PC and ONLY look to employ people representing women, BAME and LGBT.

Companies and organisations are fearful of being branded ''racist'' which could do irreversible damage their reputation if they dont have a diverse workforce.

The only downside would mean the best candidate doesnt always get the job if he/she doesnt ''tick the diversity box''

If you need examples just watch TV adverts / sports."

Sorry, I'm not sure why diversity in adverts is 'extreme PC'?

I'm also not convinced companies only appoint women, BAME and LGBT staff when recruiting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is this the forum where people refer to myself as a BBC?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most of the UK today (media / large companies) have gone extreme PC and ONLY look to employ people representing women, BAME and LGBT.

I guess The Sun newspaper have a diversity issue? Allowing the Clarkson article get printed.

An example that rejects your false narrative.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is this the forum where people refer to myself as a BBC?

It depends what you consider is Big

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"England is not a racist country but we cant deny there aren't racist people that live in England.

Most of the UK today (media / large companies) have gone extreme PC and ONLY look to employ people representing women, BAME and LGBT.

Companies and organisations are fearful of being branded ''racist'' which could do irreversible damage their reputation if they dont have a diverse workforce.

The only downside would mean the best candidate doesnt always get the job if he/she doesnt ''tick the diversity box''

If you need examples just watch TV adverts / sports.

Sorry, I'm not sure why diversity in adverts is 'extreme PC'?

I'm also not convinced companies only appoint women, BAME and LGBT staff when recruiting? "

Apparently some have a problem with brown people in adverts and on sports teams.

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By *evin90Man over a year ago

London

Which country in this day and age thats not racist. I cant think of any. When we speak of racism we need to think of it from both side is it from a white person to a black person or from a black person to a white person.

We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

The main fact in society now is the class in which you falls in.

You have the higher class and the lower class. There's no more working or middle class.

So it's either you have it or you don't.

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By *issmeltingpotWoman over a year ago

Darlington

"No Tom..

But it is a country with racists..

And with homophobes etc etc..

As are other countries to a lesser or greater degree.."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Which country in this day and age thats not racist. I cant think of any. When we speak of racism we need to think of it from both side is it from a white person to a black person or from a black person to a white person.

We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

The main fact in society now is the class in which you falls in.

You have the higher class and the lower class. There's no more working or middle class.

So it's either you have it or you don't. "

Wholly disagree with your points. Literally all of them.

The divide between upper class wealth and the underclass has gotten wider. Which means the working class remains. The classification of middle class is often based on income, which is more often based on working income , not generational wealth.

By highlighting racism in other countries ? What is your narrative ? That we continue being racist because other countries are ?

Because I’m not hearing you say, we as a nation need to be better and lead the way we support inclusivity.

I’m all ears

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

Possibly I did as an adolescent 35 years ago but I'm confident I've never made racist comments or slurs even indirectly in my adult life. Plenty of us haven't.

I'm not sure why you'd try and normalise racism in this way?

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By *mber and FireCouple over a year ago

Carmarthenshire

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race. "

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

I used to use racial slurs, absolutely. We all make mistakes we look back and cringe on. I used to justify it as mockery of how stupid racism is. The truth? I was an edgy teen. And then I learnt about how repeated usage of words, or behaviour helps normalise it.

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better."

People of a certain age will remember mainstream comics like Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning, Benny Hill and plenty of sitcoms Till Death do us part, The Black and White Minstrel show, Mind your language on the woke BBC and ITV.

Tens of millions of people watching laughing at the expense of people of colour. Even I laughed. Those comedians given awards and accolades.

30 years on its not acceptable. These comics still have a loyal following. And their fans haven’t moved on in 2022, they think it’s just humour, banter , having a laugh . It’s understandable when fed racism through our growing up.

This shit isn’t ok in 2022.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better.

Tens of millions of people watching laughing at the expense of people of colour. Even I laughed. Those comedians given awards and accolades.

This shit isn’t ok in 2022."

And what is acceptable now won't be in the future,there will be people getting cancelled in the near future with things they are posting in 2022

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better.

Tens of millions of people watching laughing at the expense of people of colour. Even I laughed. Those comedians given awards and accolades.

This shit isn’t ok in 2022.

And what is acceptable now won't be in the future,there will be people getting cancelled in the near future with things they are posting in 2022"

Your point being what? Sounds like you’re an apologist for racists ?

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By *AYENCouple over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I've experienced black/Asian racism on white, and witnessed/fought against white on black and Asian racism. So of course there's racism in England, but I think you could only call a country racist if the majority are racist and that's certainly not the case, thankfully most people judge others on their attitude rather than the colour of their skin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've experienced black/Asian racism on white, and witnessed/fought against white on black and Asian racism. So of course there's racism in England, but I think you could only call a country racist if the majority are racist and that's certainly not the case, thankfully most people judge others on their attitude rather than the colour of their skin."

If by accident of birth, you are 'white' in this system, which means that sadly, in this perpetuation, you are more likely to find yourself on the side that does the oppression. Doesn't mean you are actively and intentionally doing it - just means that you are more likely to repeat it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Should have seen / heard the Argentina’s chant against the English in their changing room at the World Cup

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being racist doesn’t mean you are a racist. You can be white, married to a person of colour, half your family can be people of colour, doesn’t mean you are free of learned racism.

I’ve had relationships with white females. Were some of them free of racism ? Absolutely not. Why did I date them? Because they are decent human beings, sadly affected by learned bias.

It’s through education can society as a whole improve . And we should look ourselves in the UK and not try to delude ourselves they are at least better then other nations.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should have seen / heard the Argentina’s chant against the English in their changing room at the World Cup "

If you didn’t realise Argentina is the most racist nation in South America. So it’s not surprising. Please see my post above .

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By *urious couple22Couple over a year ago

Derby

My belief is that England is a very tolerant country. Every race has some kind of people who are racist. Unfortunately, you will always get people with toxic beliefs.. but does a few people define a society... specifically compared to other countries..

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Should have seen / heard the Argentina’s chant against the English in their changing room at the World Cup "

Well not sure it was racist but probably about the Falklands

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better.

Tens of millions of people watching laughing at the expense of people of colour. Even I laughed. Those comedians given awards and accolades.

This shit isn’t ok in 2022.

And what is acceptable now won't be in the future,there will be people getting cancelled in the near future with things they are posting in 2022

Your point being what? Sounds like you’re an apologist for racists ? "

Give it a rest pal, read it again it was an observation on the plight of social media and the way free speech is heading, go in the virus forum if you want an argument

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all have used or say racial splurs but not to anyone face or race.

So closet racism is okay because it isn't aimed at anyone personally?

Racism is absolutely not something to normalise. Just because it isn't aimed at any one particular person, keeping those slurs alive helps keep racism alive. We can all do better.

Tens of millions of people watching laughing at the expense of people of colour. Even I laughed. Those comedians given awards and accolades.

This shit isn’t ok in 2022.

And what is acceptable now won't be in the future,there will be people getting cancelled in the near future with things they are posting in 2022

Your point being what? Sounds like you’re an apologist for racists ?

Give it a rest pal, read it again it was an observation on the plight of social media and the way free speech is heading, go in the virus forum if you want an argument "

You were being apologist. If you can’t have a debate, perhaps you’re the one needing to take a rest .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

FREE SPEECH

It’s really interesting how a certain section of society talk about the erosion of free speech, how their idols are cancelled, sacked or removed from public life.

Hmm how they aren’t allowed to speak their mind, share their opinion, how being ‘woke’ is taking us down a dangerous road.

Break down the people who have been cancelled:

Racists

Homophobes

Historical abusers

Fascists

Do we need need to silence these people.

Yes absolutely.

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By *AYENCouple over a year ago

Lincolnshire

If you're talking about oppression (systematic racism) that's very different to the vast majority of people that make up a country. We live in a country whereby many black and Asian people are very wealthy, black and Asians make up the top two highest achieving groups in our country, some of the highest levels of governing positions have been held by black and Asian people, so the system can't be that bad either.

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By *AYENCouple over a year ago

Lincolnshire

*highest achieving in education

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

You decide.

At 14 I got beat within an inch of my life limb's broken head split open and left for dead.

Why ?

Because I was a white kid hanging out with an African, Indian and Pakistani and Malaysian friends.

A few weeks later I got told by the Malaysian friend that his dad didn't want us hanging out together because I was white.

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

When England lost the the final of the nation's league and th World Cup to France the racism towards the players was terrible.

That's just a couple of examples.

Sadly, racism exists now and always will do.. Hopefully its better than it was but still....

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

Wherever you go there will be racism

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By *imited 3EditionCouple over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"The PM Rishi has said that England is not a racist country. Surely every country has some racism. Is he right ?

Some racism yes, and from all communities. Witness the recent riots between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.

A racist country? I think it would be hard for Sunak to become leader of a racist country. It's unimaginable that someone from a similar background could get to lead most European countries."

Erm what background are you referring to? Seems to me its privilege (and being an elected member of the shambolic conservative party which happens to be in government) that led to him being in leadership. Colour doesn't really have anything to do with it. Except where its something people wish to comment on.

Doubt he'd be in that position following a free and fair election.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very much depends on what you think racism is.

The successful Asian you speak of are a group of Asians from one particular sub group of south Asians population.

Do you think the police more often stop the successful black people driving the fruits of their labour then their white equivalents. Studies will provide successful black people to get treated differently.

So as I stated it depends on your definition of thr treatment of racial status.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

What side that does the oppression? We have a PM from the BAME community, as are our richest billionaires (Hindija family), BAME people are extremely well represented on TV, in sport, in medicine, in the law.

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