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"This is probably aimed more at the fellas on here but feel.free to chip in ladies! Anyone heard of this before? Someone I work with was chatting to me about it. At first I dismissed him but the more he chatted about it, the more it started to make sense and I'm starting to think a lass I know might be my "Voodoo Vagina" " Only have yourself to blame. | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain" No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell. | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell." Oh, this is disappointing | |||
"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell." no its not the minge that draws me in | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell.no its not the minge that draws me in " Me neither....like I say, I dismissed him at first but the more he chatted about it, it started to make sense and 1 girl popped into my head. Sex is good, she's a very decent looking girl, we click, known each other for around 4 years and there's times where I can't get enough of her pussy.....I realised I've never had that with anyone before. Is she my Voodoo Vagina? Does she have me under some sort of spell? Am I talking pish? Is my mate talking even more pish? | |||
"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell.no its not the minge that draws me in Me neither....like I say, I dismissed him at first but the more he chatted about it, it started to make sense and 1 girl popped into my head. Sex is good, she's a very decent looking girl, we click, known each other for around 4 years and there's times where I can't get enough of her pussy.....I realised I've never had that with anyone before. Is she my Voodoo Vagina? Does she have me under some sort of spell? Am I talking pish? Is my mate talking even more pish?" Or maybe you've fallen in love with her and can't admit that to yourself so are looking for explanations and excuses | |||
"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell.no its not the minge that draws me in Me neither....like I say, I dismissed him at first but the more he chatted about it, it started to make sense and 1 girl popped into my head. Sex is good, she's a very decent looking girl, we click, known each other for around 4 years and there's times where I can't get enough of her pussy.....I realised I've never had that with anyone before. Is she my Voodoo Vagina? Does she have me under some sort of spell? Am I talking pish? Is my mate talking even more pish?" similar but i loved her who know as ling as shes not got a wax puppet me to stab up il be alright | |||
"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell.no its not the minge that draws me in Me neither....like I say, I dismissed him at first but the more he chatted about it, it started to make sense and 1 girl popped into my head. Sex is good, she's a very decent looking girl, we click, known each other for around 4 years and there's times where I can't get enough of her pussy.....I realised I've never had that with anyone before. Is she my Voodoo Vagina? Does she have me under some sort of spell? Am I talking pish? Is my mate talking even more pish? Or maybe you've fallen in love with her and can't admit that to yourself so are looking for explanations and excuses " Nah its not that either....I've been there before and that's not what this is. This is all about the sex....lust....pleasure | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell." The actual pussy or the blow jobs? | |||
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"I'm betting some dude made this up when he was smitten by a woman and did things he wouldn't normally, because he needed to dip his dick in; then said it was all the horrible lady's fault, wah wah. The female equivalent is dickmatised. " I thought women were too sensible to get dickmatised? You have an inner dickdar... | |||
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". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________ . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . ,.-‘”. . . . . . . . . .``~., . . . . . . . .. . . . . .,.-”. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .“-., . . . . .. . . . . . ..,/. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ”:, . . . . . . . .. .,?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\, . . . . . . . . . /. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,} . . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`^`.} . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:”. . . ./ . . . . . . .?. . . __. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :`. . . ./ . . . . . . . /__.(. . .“~-,_. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`. . . .. ./ . . . . . . /(_. . ”~,_. . . ..“~,_. . . . . . . . . .,:`. . . . _/ . . . .. .{.._$;_. . .”=,_. . . .“-,_. . . ,.-~-,}, .~”; /. .. .} . . .. . .((. . .*~_. . . .”=-._. . .“;,,./`. . /” . . . ./. .. ../ . . . .. . .\`~,. . ..“~.,. . . . . . . . . ..`. . .}. . . . . . ../ . . . . . .(. ..`=-,,. . . .`. . . . . . . . . . . ..(. . . ;_,,-” . . . . . ../.`~,. . ..`-.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\. . /\ . . . . . . \`~.*-,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..|,./.....\,__ ,,_. . . . . }.-._\. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|. . . . . . ..`=~-, . .. `=~-,_\_. . . `\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . .`=~-,,.\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . `:,, . . . . . . . . . . . . . `\. . . . . . ..__ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .`=-,. . . . . . . . . .,%`--==`` . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _\. . . . . ._,-%. . . ..`\ I better be careful next time I encounter one ?dont vodoo me Joanna 1234 ! Joanna 5678 already tried it ain’t working ! " | |||
"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell. The actual pussy or the blow jobs?" Blow jobs? Who said anything about BJ's?! | |||
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"Is this not just the same as “pussy whipped”? " Nah I'd use that term for someone who was under the thumb....not allowed to do anything else Some would maybe describe it as fanny mist but that's more for any fanny! I'm talking about 1 person who you as a man can't get enough of. The person doesn't have to be anything special to look at, the sex itself doesn't have to be outstanding.....there's just a bizarre connection that keeps bringing you back and you can't quite put your finger on why | |||
"I'm starting to think a lass I know might be my "Voodoo Vagina" " Ooooh who is it? Do we know her? Spill the beans! | |||
". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________ . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . ,.-‘”. . . . . . . . . .``~., . . . . . . . .. . . . . .,.-”. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .“-., . . . . .. . . . . . ..,/. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ”:, . . . . . . . .. .,?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\, . . . . . . . . . /. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,} . . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`^`.} . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:”. . . ./ . . . . . . .?. . . __. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :`. . . ./ . . . . . . . /__.(. . .“~-,_. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`. . . .. ./ . . . . . . /(_. . ”~,_. . . ..“~,_. . . . . . . . . .,:`. . . . _/ . . . .. .{.._$;_. . .”=,_. . . .“-,_. . . ,.-~-,}, .~”; /. .. .} . . .. . .((. . .*~_. . . .”=-._. . .“;,,./`. . /” . . . ./. .. ../ . . . .. . .\`~,. . ..“~.,. . . . . . . . . ..`. . .}. . . . . . ../ . . . . . .(. ..`=-,,. . . .`. . . . . . . . . . . ..(. . . ;_,,-” . . . . . ../.`~,. . ..`-.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\. . /\ . . . . . . \`~.*-,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..|,./.....\,__ ,,_. . . . . }.-._\. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|. . . . . . ..`=~-, . .. `=~-,_\_. . . `\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . .`=~-,,.\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . `:,, . . . . . . . . . . . . . `\. . . . . . ..__ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .`=-,. . . . . . . . . .,%`--==`` . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _\. . . . . ._,-%. . . ..`\ I better be careful next time I encounter one ?dont vodoo me Joanna 1234 ! Joanna 5678 already tried it ain’t working ! Dafuck is this?! " ...............…………………………._¸„„„„_ …………………….…………...„--~*'¯…….'\ ………….…………………… („-~~--„¸_….,/ì'Ì …….…………………….¸„-^"¯ : : : : :¸-¯"¯/' ……………………¸„„-^"¯ : : : : : : : '\¸„„,-" **¯¯¯'^^~-„„„----~^*'"¯ : : : : : : : : : :¸-" .:.:.:.:.„-^" : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :„-" :.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: : : : : : : : : : ¸„-^¯ .::.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. : : : : : : : ¸„„-^¯ :.' : : '\ : : : : : : : ;¸„„-~" :.:.:: :"-„""***/*'ì¸'¯ :.': : : : :"-„ : : :"\ .:.:.: : : : :" : : : : \, :.: : : : : : : : : : : : 'Ì : : : : : : :, : : : : : :/ "-„_::::_„-*__„„~" Some art | |||
"I have no idea what this is. Do you do voodoo?" I'm guessing it's what we used to call cunt struck. | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain No thats not quite how he described it. It was more described as the 1 vagine you can't get enough of. The 1 person you can always fantasise about. You'll always go back for more sex. Like the pussy has you under a spell." I'd say it's her as a woman, even if it's just sexual... or at least her body you can't get enough of. "A pussy" or "A vagina " is not that unique. You're giving way too much power to the "pussy " | |||
"Is this not just the same as “pussy whipped”? Nah I'd use that term for someone who was under the thumb....not allowed to do anything else Some would maybe describe it as fanny mist but that's more for any fanny! I'm talking about 1 person who you as a man can't get enough of. The person doesn't have to be anything special to look at, the sex itself doesn't have to be outstanding.....there's just a bizarre connection that keeps bringing you back and you can't quite put your finger on why" But then why assign it to the power of the vagina? It's the person who appeals to you. Not their genitals. | |||
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"It's not the vagina (or cock) for that matter.... more the person its attached too x" | |||
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"When a female uses her vagina to persuade, and control, or otherwise manipulate men in order to accomplish personal gain" I do this to make cuck do as I want. " I have the pussy I make the rules" or have I got hold of wrong end of the stick here??? | |||