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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Are you asking me if I think marriage is dead?

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By *inballs99Man  over a year ago

Blackheath

Reality and the cost

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By *etcplCouple  over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

2 years of having to live together before wedlock put a lot of people off

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan  over a year ago

Aylesbury

It's an outdated institution that people seem to be waking up to I guess

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By *teveanddebsCouple  over a year ago

Norwich

What year are the figures for and is it adjusted to take account the lockdowns?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Whats the new kid on the block then?

Trend,people swaying towards as times evolve.

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

I'd never marry ,think it's out dated ,but that's just me.

Spend a fortune on 1 day , I'd rather have a good hol somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lockdown and the fact my ex is a complete knob is the reason my marriage ended

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lockdown

Increased costs /poverty

Increased divorce rate

Many factors I suppose. Probably not a bad thing that people re-consider a lifelong commitment given fewer are able to keep it or make the right choices in the first place. It suits some people and does not suit others.

It’ll be dead when nobody gets married.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham

People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Cost probably. And things have changed. I wouldn’t have dreamt of having kids before I was married back in the day. I Wouldn’t think like that now though.

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks "

That’s sad

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Where is this headed guys?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?"

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys... "

I'd answer this question. But certain women here don't like reality and get very upset at me for pointing out the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks "

This. Men are choosing to avoid relationships too. Too much risk involved at every level. Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake."

Now, I ain't sayin' she a gold digger.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"Where is this headed guys?"

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

This is all over the news...

And what will the future look like... ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake.

Now, I ain't sayin' she a gold digger."

But she ain't messin' with no *honk honk*

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By *stwoCouple  over a year ago

anywhere

Sure millions of couples in UK alone will disagree

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is all over the news...

And what will the future look like... ?"

A frightening dystopia Tom and no mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell "

Yup and it's because of those laws men are just avoiding women altogether. All it takes is one false move, one accusation justified or otherwise and you lose everything including your children.

Boys are growing up seeing dad dragged through divorce court and seeing them depressed and broke and not wanting to end up the same.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's not all over the pews.

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By *ixi n DogCouple  over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

People just need the right partner..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's not all over the pews."

Empty pews Jim and no mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People just need the right partner.. "

That's just not possible anymore. Women are too quick to just end it.

%80 of divorces are filed by women.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Sure millions of couples in UK alone will disagree"

You can't didagree with statisty but you can disagree over the interpretation of statistics....

We all know where this is heading

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with."

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys... "

Possibly people are cohabiting more in the 21st century

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

What's going on here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow."

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

This. Men are choosing to avoid relationships too. Too much risk involved at every level. Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with."

Is that true ?

I know plenty of women who once bitten twice shy but, men I know or know of appear to lurch from one to another quickly. It may be a generation thing though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Sure millions of couples in UK alone will disagree

You can't didagree with statisty but you can disagree over the interpretation of statistics....

We all know where this is heading "

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke."

I'll give you a couple of examples.

Close friend of mine bankrupted himself trying to get custody of his 4 kids from an alcoholic IV drug user ex wife. But because she's a woman she was automatically considered the better parent.

What about the couple who had been divorced for 20 years. The man later started a business and became a millionaire. Who came crawling out of the woodwork and got half his money? That's right the ex.

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By *otshot14Woman  over a year ago

nuneaton

I wouldn't do it again soon.not worth it.prefer my own money,own name.

And the fact I couldn't trust a man not to cheat again

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By *ixi n DogCouple  over a year ago

Pembrokeshire


"People just need the right partner..

That's just not possible anymore. Women are too quick to just end it.

%80 of divorces are filed by women."

Course it's possible.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

This. Men are choosing to avoid relationships too. Too much risk involved at every level. Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Is that true ?

I know plenty of women who once bitten twice shy but, men I know or know of appear to lurch from one to another quickly. It may be a generation thing though."

It might be generational, it might be your own confirmation bias only seeing what it wants, it could be something else

In my experience, every guy I know looks at marriage as a negative. It’s something their forced into and they joke that it’s their “ticket to lose the house”

I don’t know all the ins and outs of marriage, are there any benefits? Outside of just a nice thing to do? There used to be snake tax breaks I think? Is that still a thing?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I wouldn't do it again soon.not worth it.prefer my own money,own name.

And the fact I couldn't trust a man not to cheat again"

Women and men cheat at roughly the same rate. So to expect all of us to cheat means you shouldn't be in a relationship anyway. You've got trust issues.

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By *ensuallover1000Man  over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

It’s not for me but to each their own

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Have to admit that the things I've become aware of in the last few years in terms of what women get out of divorces I'm not surprised that men would avoid it.

Some of it I've been truly shocked at.

Gone are the vows and having the surname and all the meaning behind that.

It's now all about bricks and mortor and money and custody.

Such a shame.

PW

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Have to admit that the things I've become aware of in the last few years in terms of what women get out of divorces I'm not surprised that men would avoid it.

Some of it I've been truly shocked at.

Gone are the vows and having the surname and all the meaning behind that.

It's now all about bricks and mortor and money and custody.

Such a shame.

PW "

That's exactly what it is now.

Don't remember who said it but a woman said "It's been downhill since till death do us part, became until the death of the relationship".

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke."

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed. "

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship."

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way. "

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it.

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By *reamblueMan  over a year ago

London

Shit. I find myself agreeing with tom

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it."

I think both sides are as bad as eachother, but since courts favour the women we never see the gif success.

Kinda like how if 2 people cheated at poker but the house turned a blind eye for one. They’re both still cheating, but only one’s gonna actually win

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it."

In fact. My partner and I had a rough patch. We were split for about 9 months. She told me when we got back together she was shocked that all of her friends were trying to convince her to not let me see my son. Thankfully she's not the vindictive type.

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish

To be honest I have never wanted to get married. Always felt it a bit pointless and old fashioned.

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it."

I haven’t heard any women say it either unless there was a good reason. Ie: abuse or violence.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it.

I haven’t heard any women say it either unless there was a good reason. Ie: abuse or violence. "

I've worked in 3 very femal dominated industries. I've heard it numerous times.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think it's dead, plenty of people are happily married and have been so for many years. People are more put of getting married now due to rising cost reasons, most want a house before marriage and that alone takes every bit of saving.

Mrs

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

Such a shame people can’t be grown up about it. If only for the children’s sake. Very sad indeed.

Tell me about it. Why people use children as weapons is beyond me. The parent responsible will always get found out eventually and that's the end of that relationship.

I’m talking about both parties here by the way.

As am I. However. In all honesty I've never once heard a man say he'll deny access to the kids mother. Heard plenty of women say it.

I haven’t heard any women say it either unless there was a good reason. Ie: abuse or violence.

I've worked in 3 very femal dominated industries. I've heard it numerous times."

In fact now I think about it. The only time I’ve heard of someone denying access to the children was a man (and rightly so) as the mother was abusive and a drug addict.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't think it's dead, plenty of people are happily married and have been so for many years. People are more put of getting married now due to rising cost reasons, most want a house before marriage and that alone takes every bit of saving.

Mrs"

The stats don't reflect that though. It's men choosing not to get married. Plenty of women are willing. Men are not.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham

I also suspect social media and dating apps are playing a big role in this. Lots of people choosing to have loads of quick and easy flings over long term relationships

It’s far too easy to have 1 bad day, ghost them and jump back on the apps

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Perhaps a generational thing? We know more married couples than not x

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

This. Men are choosing to avoid relationships too. Too much risk involved at every level. Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Is that true ?

I know plenty of women who once bitten twice shy but, men I know or know of appear to lurch from one to another quickly. It may be a generation thing though.

It might be generational, it might be your own confirmation bias only seeing what it wants, it could be something else

In my experience, every guy I know looks at marriage as a negative. It’s something their forced into and they joke that it’s their “ticket to lose the house”

I don’t know all the ins and outs of marriage, are there any benefits? Outside of just a nice thing to do? There used to be snake tax breaks I think? Is that still a thing? "

Well, those men shouldn't do it then, I'm never doing it again no matter what gets said. I got all the responsibility of the children, he on the other hand pretended he didn't even have children to prospective women, work colleagues and friends. I personally do not want another live in person male or female, it's a recipe for disaster for me.

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke."

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake.

Now, I ain't sayin' she a gold digger."

Go West Young Man

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold. "

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple  over a year ago

Lincoln

Everyone's becoming ethically non-monogamous

LvM

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men."

In what way does she "act" like a woman ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ? "

That's how uncommon it is. You don't know what femininity is.

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ?

That's how uncommon it is. You don't know what femininity is."

Lol...I'm just asking you, it's a normal question

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ? "

she won’t break wind in public pre nuptial problem solved the one case that sticks out for me as unfair was ray parlour (Romford pele)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Intrigued. Outside of anecdotes does anyone have data to support the suggestion of bias.

My first hit suggested no when it comes to child care (other than if I understand it correctly, it's more likely the mum will seek to take responsibility...)

https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/study_finds_english/

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Intrigued. Outside of anecdotes does anyone have data to support the suggestion of bias.

My first hit suggested no when it comes to child care (other than if I understand it correctly, it's more likely the mum will seek to take responsibility...)

https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/study_finds_english/

"

At last, a source!

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham

https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination

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By *orny PTMan  over a year ago

Peterborough


"Where is this headed guys?

Straight to the divorce courts Tom and no mistake."

Marriage is the first step to divorce.

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination "

Let me guess, they don't think they should pay any

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don't think it's dead, plenty of people are happily married and have been so for many years. People are more put of getting married now due to rising cost reasons, most want a house before marriage and that alone takes every bit of saving.

Mrs

The stats don't reflect that though. It's men choosing not to get married. Plenty of women are willing. Men are not."

Gosh in my life group of friends it's the men that want to get married! More men still propose than the ladies?

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination

Let me guess, they don't think they should pay any "

A little rude to mock a charity aimed at helping struggling men but I’ll just assume to a poor joke instead of anything malicious

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination "

Some eye opening stats.

My fear is men's right fight the battles that aren't there (possibly court unfairness) rather than the issues that are.

The trouble is it's easy to find anecdotes of bad outcomes, as these tend to be shared (especially in men only forums)... But it's a lot harder to bring up a good outcome anecdote in these arenas.

(Note: the above applies to a lot of movements, not just men's issues).

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London

Women don't want to be saddled with an immature man who wants a substitute mother, instead of a partner.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think a lot of the marriages that would be happening are young couples. Many have the choice between marriage and getting on the property ladder they choose the property ladder.

For me, I'm off marriage because I spent my childhood watching parents cheat on each other and it does have an effect. That's why I won't meet men who cheat, well people.

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination

Some eye opening stats.

My fear is men's right fight the battles that aren't there (possibly court unfairness) rather than the issues that are.

The trouble is it's easy to find anecdotes of bad outcomes, as these tend to be shared (especially in men only forums)... But it's a lot harder to bring up a good outcome anecdote in these arenas.

(Note: the above applies to a lot of movements, not just men's issues). "

Very true, although I’d say trying to deal with all that in one go is almost impossible for a single charity, and if you only focus on the underlying issues the people currently effected won’t get help. Underlying issues take decades to fix. So charities like this are there to help people while society changes.

But I do agree. A balanced approach is needed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination

Some eye opening stats.

My fear is men's right fight the battles that aren't there (possibly court unfairness) rather than the issues that are.

The trouble is it's easy to find anecdotes of bad outcomes, as these tend to be shared (especially in men only forums)... But it's a lot harder to bring up a good outcome anecdote in these arenas.

(Note: the above applies to a lot of movements, not just men's issues).

Very true, although I’d say trying to deal with all that in one go is almost impossible for a single charity, and if you only focus on the underlying issues the people currently effected won’t get help. Underlying issues take decades to fix. So charities like this are there to help people while society changes.

But I do agree. A balanced approach is needed. "

we just need to remember we are society. So we need to be change we want to see in the world.

But agree. It's one step on the ladder at a time. Just make sure you are climbing the right tree!

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By *ecretssquirrelCouple  over a year ago

Shropshire

Marriage isn't a need for acceptance anymore. The world is far more awake and diverse than it used to be. In most cases you can have the same rights and live a full life as a couple without the complications of the legal bind so there isn't any need for it. We are happy we are married and enjoy being Mr and Mrs but totally understand when our friends aren't keen and are just enjoying being together. It's not necessary anymore and life has just moved on to accept this I guess.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London

They can't afford a wedding and honeymoon, and a deposit for property.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Marriage rates are now heavily linked to income and status but it's a chickened/egg problem. Low income and financial instability make it less likely people will marry, while for richer people marriage provides stability which reinforces existing advantages.

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination

Let me guess, they don't think they should pay any

A little rude to mock a charity aimed at helping struggling men but I’ll just assume to a poor joke instead of anything malicious "

I've just read about them. It's not mocking at all, just an observation on life. I believe in inequality and equal parental responsibilities, many men when a marraige ends think the money is all theirs and child responsibility is the mothers. Mr is one of the few men I know that takes responsibility for his Son, it's one of the things that I respect about him.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/about-f4j/fact-sheet/

There’s a lot of other info on their but they have a section on child support discrimination "

Im afraid this is at least 10 years out of date. - the CSA referred to was replaced by the Child Maintenance Service in 2012. Perhaps the legislation and govt policies have been updated since then?

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple

Equality not inequality...bloody phone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks "

From my perspective, I think (mainly women) are noting what a bunch of knobs most men are with no benefits and plenty of risk.

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By *orny PTMan  over a year ago

Peterborough

When the old judges retire and the new ones that replace them start to see the new wave of gay divorces (marriages and civil partnerships), then this will be a major change in outcome that will spill out over into hetro divorces. Hopefully things will be coime less bigoted and more fairer.

Fingers crossed.

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men."

you don’t half talk some tosh

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By *annaBeStrongMan  over a year ago

wokingham


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

From my perspective, I think (mainly women) are noting what a bunch of knobs most men are with no benefits and plenty of risk."

Notice how I made it an issue about the risk/reward of marriage and you made it about shaming a gender

How odd

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

People are more open to being single, several relationships through life, single life for longer when younger and reverting to it, after failed relationships. The decline in Christian belief levels have fallen, affecting the older beliefs against needing marriage for ex . Lots of influences.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

When it comes to marriage I always ask my friends "what does it change?" basically there's no change to day to day life for long term partners.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've never been married and it's never appealed to me. I was engaged for a long time and quite glad I didn't go ahead with a wedding. I've no desire to marry.

I think our views of marriage are deeply biased by our experience of it and highly subjective.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"People (mainly men) are realising it’s a loss to get married. Zero benefits. Plenty of risks

From my perspective, I think (mainly women) are noting what a bunch of knobs most men are with no benefits and plenty of risk.

Notice how I made it an issue about the risk/reward of marriage and you made it about shaming a gender

How odd "

Most women realise it too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

COVID gave weddings a kick while marriage was down. Hands up those who regret spunking a fortune on a party for guests you long lost contact with.

As humans our attention span has shrunk thanks to the pace of modern life. How many of the forthcoming generations will have the patience for in sickness and in health, till death do us part. They live for the upgrade!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ?

That's how uncommon it is. You don't know what femininity is."

Please, do enlighten us.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We are not religious but we are getting married next year. It has taken us all this time to find our true soul mates. Marriage is not dead but the world is making it harder and attitudes towards relationships and commitment has changed.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"COVID gave weddings a kick while marriage was down. Hands up those who regret spunking a fortune on a party for guests you long lost contact with.

As humans our attention span has shrunk thanks to the pace of modern life. How many of the forthcoming generations will have the patience for in sickness and in health, till death do us part. They live for the upgrade!

"

I have no regrets about my wedding day, or the money spent on guests. It was a lovely day.

My husband definitely benefited from our marriage.

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By * and R cple4Couple  over a year ago

swansea

I’m not sure why these types of posts end up us against them let’s face it some women are cunts and some men are cunts.

I cant really explain why many people are choosing not to get married maybe it’s a outdated concept.I knew from the age of 18 I wanted to marry my husband and we married when I was 20 .My parents had a great marriage so maybe that played a part ..

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By * and R cple4Couple  over a year ago

swansea


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ?

That's how uncommon it is. You don't know what femininity is.

Please, do enlighten us. "

Maybe like a stepford wife

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By *ecretssquirrelCouple  over a year ago

Shropshire


"I’m not sure why these types of posts end up us against them let’s face it some women are cunts and some men are cunts.

I cant really explain why many people are choosing not to get married maybe it’s a outdated concept.I knew from the age of 18 I wanted to marry my husband and we married when I was 20 .My parents had a great marriage so maybe that played a part .."

Some people have some strong views don't they, shame it has to get bitter though ay

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By *xploring_FunWoman  over a year ago

Coventry

Lockdown.

Costs of a wedding.

I would say though that people should look very carefully at the legal protections marriage brings.

Being married didn’t change much in my life when I got married. It was a nice day, it was a nice connection, but it didn’t change day-to-day life, especially as we didn’t have children so there was no career hit or anything.

However, when I was widowed at 35 the legal protections it brought, especially financially, were invaluable and made life considerably easier at a horrific time.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

People missing the point here..

Wake up people's...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People missing the point here..

Wake up people's..."

Is it the dead ?

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By *inx_xxWoman  over a year ago

Shrewsbury

My 2pence worth, and in no particular order

1) Women are no longer reliant on "the man" of the house

2) people (male/female/other) are no longer reliant on the stigma of being unmarried to have children.

3) People want it all, career, house, money, security and kinky sex

4) social media became a pandoras box.

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By *lynJMan  over a year ago

Morden


"I'd never marry ,think it's out dated ,but that's just me.

Spend a fortune on 1 day , I'd rather have a good hol somewhere."

You don't have to spend a fortune.

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By *lynJMan  over a year ago

Morden


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell "

Make sure you both get a Will done

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"But because she's a woman she was automatically considered the better parent."

Incorrect. That's simply not how Courts operate. I'll grant you that many professionals may be biased towards children being with their mothers (depending on age), but there is simply nothing automatic about "custody" in the UK.

Regarding the house, finances and what you call "alimony," they are all related to who the child is living with. So, again, it's not automatic. And they are not 3 separate issues as you have listed them.

The crisis of men committing suicide is heart-breaking but the situation is a little more complex than you have implied. We need to factor in social support structures, men traditionally not being taught to discuss their feelings, the social construct of a "strong" man, notions of "having some balls" or "manning up" etc.

So, context is important in all of the examples you gave.

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Women have all the power so men are just checking out and not bothering to begin with.

Yeah, women have it so easy

Ahem. Wow.

Yeah they do.

Who gets the house?

Who gets the finances?

Who gets alimony?

Who gets custody in %90 of divorces?

Who commits suicide more often due to parental alienation?

Yeah. Its a bowl of cherries being a bloke.

^ I hereby recommend that you have a sex change. Problem solved. Now go forth and dig some gold.

Don't need to. I have one of the last remaining women that acts like a woman and doesn't expect to be treated like royalty without treating me the same way first.

She has 5 brothers so she gets men. She learnt from being around men. Not being told by other women who think they understand men.

In what way does she "act" like a woman ?

That's how uncommon it is. You don't know what femininity is."

Oh, the irony! Perhaps it is outdated notions of femininity and masculinity that contribute to your long list of ways that women have it better.

They *definitely* contribute towards male suicide!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Would you leave your partner

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reality and the cost "

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day.

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By *all me FlikWoman  over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress? "

We got married in the church 2 weeks ago, Record numbers of people are getting married this year and record numbers in a church. Some of this will be down to the covid backlog.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

And the trend downwards

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress? "

Do you mean people steering away from Christianity is progressive?

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen… "

Indeed.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"Reality and the cost

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day. "

Some people have big families and want to go all out if they marry. Mine was a budget wedding back in the 80s and still cost £4000.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed."

Wanna get married?

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By *yrdsisWoman  over a year ago

Gleam Street

Late to the party... but my marriage is workin pretty well...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reality and the cost

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day.

Some people have big families and want to go all out if they marry. Mine was a budget wedding back in the 80s and still cost £4000."

We didn't have a small wedding. Weddings cost as much or as little as you want them to.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reality and the cost

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day.

Some people have big families and want to go all out if they marry. Mine was a budget wedding back in the 80s and still cost £4000."

We had 50 people during the day, 100 in the evening and ours cost just over that. The most expensive part was the church.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"Reality and the cost

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day.

Some people have big families and want to go all out if they marry. Mine was a budget wedding back in the 80s and still cost £4000.

We had 50 people during the day, 100 in the evening and ours cost just over that. The most expensive part was the church. "

My church was the least expensive part of my wedding. I opted for no extra flowers and no choir. I wanted to get in and out lol

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

Wanna get married? "

Dårling, I've already bought the Tiffany™ engagement ring!

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

Wanna get married?

Dårling, I've already bought the Tiffany™ engagement ring! "

I'd better look for a white dress then

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

Wanna get married?

Dårling, I've already bought the Tiffany™ engagement ring!

I'd better look for a white dress then "

I'd prefer you in velvet.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reality and the cost

The cost has nothing to do with it. You can legally get married for £200.

We recently got married and didn't spend very much but it was a fabulous day.

Some people have big families and want to go all out if they marry. Mine was a budget wedding back in the 80s and still cost £4000.

We had 50 people during the day, 100 in the evening and ours cost just over that. The most expensive part was the church.

My church was the least expensive part of my wedding. I opted for no extra flowers and no choir. I wanted to get in and out lol

"

The church we got married in it was just a package price. The church of England standard fee is now £500. To be honest though it didn't work out that much more expensive than a registry office for the same amount of people, Plus we had more time and flowers, Organist ect..

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By *xFabCoupleCouple  over a year ago

abingdon

Marriage if not religious is essentially saying 'K love you enough to get the government involved in this shit'

However, I am married and love it. I'm not religious but it's a binding legal commitment to another human and that is, to me, romantic.

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By *all me FlikWoman  over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed."

I love your gallery

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By *ellinever70Woman  over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell

Yup and it's because of those laws men are just avoiding women altogether. All it takes is one false move, one accusation justified or otherwise and you lose everything including your children.

Boys are growing up seeing dad dragged through divorce court and seeing them depressed and broke and not wanting to end up the same."

That's a really fucking depressing and dim view of both men and women

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

Wanna get married?

Dårling, I've already bought the Tiffany™ engagement ring!

I'd better look for a white dress then

I'd prefer you in velvet."

Velvet comes in white.

Are we doing a pre nup?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress? "

Progress from what Tom, you keep asking random questions without giving any actual content to work with. To have a progression something must have been in the past that wasn't the same. Marrying in church won't progress as some people will still get married in church and some won't. The numbers will change but that is not progress or going backwards. Silly question Tom

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

I love your gallery "

I'd prefer you in Satin.

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair


"This has to be one of the most depressing forum posts I’ve seen…

Indeed.

Wanna get married?

Dårling, I've already bought the Tiffany™ engagement ring!

I'd better look for a white dress then

I'd prefer you in velvet.

Velvet comes in white.

Are we doing a pre nup? "

No need. I'm leaving everything to you, whether in estrangement, decoupling or togetherness.

(I'm leaving Flik my jewel-encrusted suitcase full of memories).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are not religious but we are getting married next year. It has taken us all this time to find our true soul mates. Marriage is not dead but the world is making it harder and attitudes towards relationships and commitment has changed."

Congratulations and we wish you all the best! Taking the time to find ‘the right one’ and not rushing into things is a big part of the secret to success when it comes to marriage.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"People missing the point here..

Wake up people's..."

So what is the point Tom?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress? "

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

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By *eads_or_tailsMan  over a year ago

London


"Everyone's becoming ethically non-monogamous

LvM"

This is the way.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was married for 22 years and it took everything I had, was always the strong one in the relationship holding it together and had it thrown back in my face more than once. Finally had enough and left. Honestly found it hard dating again and genuinely can't see myself having another long term relationship again, never mind marriage. As bad as it sounds I just can't be arsed putting with someone elses bullshit again.

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By *oeofsussexMan  over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys... "

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes.

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By *oeofsussexMan  over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell

Yup and it's because of those laws men are just avoiding women altogether. All it takes is one false move, one accusation justified or otherwise and you lose everything including your children.

Boys are growing up seeing dad dragged through divorce court and seeing them depressed and broke and not wanting to end up the same.

That's a really fucking depressing and dim view of both men and women "

It is reality for some guys I know! Pretty brutal and they didn’t deserve it!

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By *itzi999Woman  over a year ago

Slough

Marriage and kids are not my thing, but each to their own. If you find the right person and both of you live each other, why not?

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By *rgasmicChemistryCouple  over a year ago

east coast

Me and H got married young H was 18 I was 21 13years later its definitely not dead in our house x J

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Me and H got married young H was 18 I was 21 13years later its definitely not dead in our house x J "

I can see why

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By *rgasmicChemistryCouple  over a year ago

east coast


"Me and H got married young H was 18 I was 21 13years later its definitely not dead in our house x J

I can see why "

im a lucky man I'm definitely punching above my wight lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Me and H got married young H was 18 I was 21 13years later its definitely not dead in our house x J

I can see why

im a lucky man I'm definitely punching above my wight lol "

I’m sure she is just as happy

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By *rgasmicChemistryCouple  over a year ago

east coast


"Me and H got married young H was 18 I was 21 13years later its definitely not dead in our house x J

I can see why

im a lucky man I'm definitely punching above my wight lol

I’m sure she is just as happy "

Iv got to be doing something right haha

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By *ools and the brainCouple  over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Jeeze.

Some bitter people around.

What ever happened to good old fashioned love?

And getting married because of it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell

Yup and it's because of those laws men are just avoiding women altogether. All it takes is one false move, one accusation justified or otherwise and you lose everything including your children.

Boys are growing up seeing dad dragged through divorce court and seeing them depressed and broke and not wanting to end up the same.

That's a really fucking depressing and dim view of both men and women

It is reality for some guys I know! Pretty brutal and they didn’t deserve it! "

And is a reality for any women in a bad marriage too! Bad relationships are not gender bias and after 100s and 100s of years where women had no rights or anything it's such a shame society didn't actually learn and it swung the other way for a short time ...

Luckily now courts and laws are beginning to sort themselves out at last

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen. "

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeeze.

Some bitter people around.

What ever happened to good old fashioned love?

And getting married because of it?"

I'll take some love.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues "

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older."

And while I'm at it. Can we stop saying "people aren't getting married". It's not men and women deciding to avoid marriage. It's men deciding to avoid marriage. And for very good reasons too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where is this headed guys?

It’s headed down a tricky road legally

If people stop getting married, what happens when these long term “relationships” come to an end?

Usually married is the binding contract that entitled someone to a pay out. Without that contract in place, what do those people do?

You’ll start seeing laws here much like laws that exist in some parts of the US. Law that mean if you cohabit with someone you become legally bound to support them if they move out. Laws like these will most likely be abused and weaponised by greedy people looking to make a quick buck after a breakup

It’s a weird road, only time will tell

Yup and it's because of those laws men are just avoiding women altogether. All it takes is one false move, one accusation justified or otherwise and you lose everything including your children.

Boys are growing up seeing dad dragged through divorce court and seeing them depressed and broke and not wanting to end up the same.

That's a really fucking depressing and dim view of both men and women

It is reality for some guys I know! Pretty brutal and they didn’t deserve it!

And is a reality for any women in a bad marriage too! Bad relationships are not gender bias and after 100s and 100s of years where women had no rights or anything it's such a shame society didn't actually learn and it swung the other way for a short time ...

Luckily now courts and laws are beginning to sort themselves out at last "

Are they? Last I looked men still lose everything.

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By *ellinever70Woman  over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older."

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes. "

Also produces a lot of illegitimate children who will grow up without a two parent household.

Children with no father in the house are at greater risk of commiting crime, ending up in poverty, failing at school etc etc etc. Same goes for girls too. Increases risk of teenage pregnancy etc etc etc.

I believe in marriage. I just don't think the next generation of women will deserve it. Far to entitled. Yet another reason men are opting out. The ridiculous expectations. They want to be modern women while still holding men to old fashioned standards. It's a joke.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older."

Did you know research has shown the exact opposite!!! Single ladies live longer then those in relationships and men in relationships live shorter then those not!

Also women live longer then men in general!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?"

Yep. As he does on every thread.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes.

Also produces a lot of illegitimate children who will grow up without a two parent household.

Children with no father in the house are at greater risk of commiting crime, ending up in poverty, failing at school etc etc etc. Same goes for girls too. Increases risk of teenage pregnancy etc etc etc.

I believe in marriage. I just don't think the next generation of women will deserve it. Far to entitled. Yet another reason men are opting out. The ridiculous expectations. They want to be modern women while still holding men to old fashioned standards. It's a joke."

Have we not had our weetabix this morning?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes.

Also produces a lot of illegitimate children who will grow up without a two parent household.

Children with no father in the house are at greater risk of commiting crime, ending up in poverty, failing at school etc etc etc. Same goes for girls too. Increases risk of teenage pregnancy etc etc etc.

I believe in marriage. I just don't think the next generation of women will deserve it. Far to entitled. Yet another reason men are opting out. The ridiculous expectations. They want to be modern women while still holding men to old fashioned standards. It's a joke."

You are sounding like you're an incel though you're not single! You do sound incredibly bitter and I'm sorry for that but blaming one gender for everything is very sad and very very incorrect ... men do as much and more to women unfortunately, especially read anything and the law from 75 years plus ago! P

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes.

Also produces a lot of illegitimate children who will grow up without a two parent household.

Children with no father in the house are at greater risk of commiting crime, ending up in poverty, failing at school etc etc etc. Same goes for girls too. Increases risk of teenage pregnancy etc etc etc.

I believe in marriage. I just don't think the next generation of women will deserve it. Far to entitled. Yet another reason men are opting out. The ridiculous expectations. They want to be modern women while still holding men to old fashioned standards. It's a joke."

I think you've missed a few tropes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread. "

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread.

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks "

He spouts the same nasty stuff about women then disappears when challenged. Called me a mad feminist yesterday for daring to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread.

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks

He spouts the same nasty stuff about women then disappears when challenged. Called me a mad feminist yesterday for daring to do that. "

See a above post of mine then ... really does sound like an incel!! Terrifying

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Did you know research has shown the exact opposite!!! Single ladies live longer then those in relationships and men in relationships live shorter then those not!

Also women live longer then men in general!!! "

Should say *men NOT in relationships live shorter than those in relationships ... got to love early morning typing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread.

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks

He spouts the same nasty stuff about women then disappears when challenged. Called me a mad feminist yesterday for daring to do that.

See a above post of mine then ... really does sound like an incel!! Terrifying "

I find reading the male perspective on here genuinely interesting - I do want to understand. I will read sources men point to. But hyperbolic rants aren't worth anyone's time!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread.

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks

He spouts the same nasty stuff about women then disappears when challenged. Called me a mad feminist yesterday for daring to do that.

See a above post of mine then ... really does sound like an incel!! Terrifying

I find reading the male perspective on here genuinely interesting - I do want to understand. I will read sources men point to. But hyperbolic rants aren't worth anyone's time!"

If the incel movement continues at the same rate being female will go back 100 years unfortunately

We have only had choices for the last 60 years and some men are determined to take it away from us! Really scary ...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older.

Are you just making this nonsense up as you go along now?

Yep. As he does on every thread.

Oh does he?!?!? Just a reaction getter?? In that case I'll happily back out

Thanks

He spouts the same nasty stuff about women then disappears when challenged. Called me a mad feminist yesterday for daring to do that.

See a above post of mine then ... really does sound like an incel!! Terrifying

I find reading the male perspective on here genuinely interesting - I do want to understand. I will read sources men point to. But hyperbolic rants aren't worth anyone's time!

If the incel movement continues at the same rate being female will go back 100 years unfortunately

We have only had choices for the last 60 years and some men are determined to take it away from us! Really scary ... "

Oh don't get me started on Roe v Wade - what's being done to womens' rights in the US is terrifying.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

People just get married to post the pics and how much it cost on Insta. No religion necessary.

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By *eavenscentitCouple  over a year ago

barnstaple


"Moving forward then less and less people will marry and very few in church..

Is this progress?

The venue and religious context has in real terms been nothing but a sham for many for decades.

Civilisation is not going to crumble if fewer couples decide to marry. But a continued decline in committed long term relationships may bring about some negative outcomes in the long run.

Precisely what those might be remains to be seen.

I think longterm we'll see major concerns in old age, lack of love and companionship cause major mental health issues

Only for women. Single men get happier as they get older. Women get unhappier as they get older."

What a load of rubbish, I'm 57, happier and more content than ever.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Quite a bit of tosh and bitterness on this thread. Things change over time, generational circumstances and trends come and go. There’s no one answer for everyone. And those bitten once will understandably be cautious about the prospect or benefit.

Other than personal value from the experience - the biggest (tax) benefit has been stripped away.

(this is not a reply to any specific post btw)

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By *eroLondonMan  over a year ago

Mayfair

Remind me to stay away from Bishop's Stortford. There are a few inhabitants who are 'cerebrally challenged'.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"Reports that opposite sex marriage rates are at their lowest since the 1970s.

It's pretty much dieing out year on year and less than 1 in 5 are religeous marriages.

Marriage and Christianity are pretty much dead ducks in England..

What's going on here guys...

Absolutely dead! No-one gets married these days! Heavens, that’s very last century! Never ever marry! Swinging and one-nighters is the way forward. Sexual relationships should never be long-term. Always base them on short-term excitement then move on to the next! Keeps everyone fresh and on their toes.

Also produces a lot of illegitimate children who will grow up without a two parent household.

Children with no father in the house are at greater risk of commiting crime, ending up in poverty, failing at school etc etc etc. Same goes for girls too. Increases risk of teenage pregnancy etc etc etc.

I believe in marriage. I just don't think the next generation of women will deserve it. Far to entitled. Yet another reason men are opting out. The ridiculous expectations. They want to be modern women while still holding men to old fashioned standards. It's a joke."

The same would be true if the fathers took the responsibility of the children and the mothers buggered off to have children with one or two other men.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Remind me to stay away from Bishop's Stortford. There are a few inhabitants who are 'cerebrally challenged'. "

And who like to spread their woman-hating tropes all over a thread and then disappear without justifying or evidencing any of it. Funny that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Its over get me a judge

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