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Are women race or gender?
I'm not quite sure what you mean precisely but it sounds like you're asking if it's easier in many ways to be a woman, and do we think there is more available in the world for women.
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.     "
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women. |
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I think, broadly speaking, men and women are constrained in different ways, which underlie the assumptions society makes about men and women. This can be seen as more choice, or more pressure.
Stigma and punishment attach in forms other than imprisonment.
I also think oversimplistic analyses like in the OP tend to support the existing social norms rather than challenge them.
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Are women the more acceptable gender?
No, not in the slightest.
People are people and are acceptable humans based on their personal behaviour.
Do I think they have it easier?
Again no. I'd be a fool to suggest there aren't those who treat genders unequally coz that's how the world works.
Both genders have pros and cons depending on how you view the world, the life experience you've enjoyed or endured based on your gender.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women. "
How did the international women's day talk demonstrate men get paid more than woman? |
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I'm not sure I get the question either, but I think the stats suggest women actually get harsher sentences than men for equivalent crimes - often, I guess, because male judges have traditionally judged them more harshly (e.g. not meeting their expectations of "womanhood")... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just interesting as my post was based on something I read from a PhD professor. If you base it on for example criminal justice system then factually that is still biased towards a certain gender more. I am all for everyone having equal rights, opportunities etc it's when they are abused to make the other gender appear inferior or ridicule them. Happy international women's Day. You deserve it ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m not sure I get this. Are sentences more Lenient for women? Clothes from Asda are fucking boring for men but I’ve seen loads on online shops snd such that are unusual and cool as fuck.
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Women very rarely commit very violent crimes. Those who do are very harshly treated possibly more so than men as it's so unusual and unexpected. They are also more often the sole carers for children so it's it better for society to lock them up for non violent crimes? |
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"I'm not sure I get the question either, but I think the stats suggest women actually get harsher sentences than men for equivalent crimes - often, I guess, because male judges have traditionally judged them more harshly (e.g. not meeting their expectations of "womanhood")..."
Way back in the mists of time I looked at some stats that showed that while women were less likely to get prison than men (historically), they were just sent to psychiatric wards instead. Men are responsible for their own actions, women be crazy yo.
As the widespread use of institutions diminished, women were increasingly criminalised instead of being locked up in psych wards - their conditions improved, because their sentences became finite not indefinite.
I wonder to what extent that kind of thinking carries on in disparities in the criminal justice system. I'm not saying it does. I don't have any data to hand at the moment and it's not something I've looked at for a long time.
But none of this is simple. |
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"Women very rarely commit very violent crimes. Those who do are very harshly treated possibly more so than men as it's so unusual and unexpected. They are also more often the sole carers for children so it's it better for society to lock them up for non violent crimes?"
I disagree. If you look at for example male DA, a lot more support is there for women, than men. A lot of men are told to man up, where as if a man stares at a female the wrong way it's acted upon.
In terms of minors, a lot of news article highlight recently a certain gender that have been sentenced due to horric acts, however if this was a male they would be given a much harsher sentences. Stats are out there |
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"Women very rarely commit very violent crimes. Those who do are very harshly treated possibly more so than men as it's so unusual and unexpected. They are also more often the sole carers for children so it's it better for society to lock them up for non violent crimes?
I disagree. If you look at for example male DA, a lot more support is there for women, than men. A lot of men are told to man up, where as if a man stares at a female the wrong way it's acted upon.
In terms of minors, a lot of news article highlight recently a certain gender that have been sentenced due to horric acts, however if this was a male they would be given a much harsher sentences. Stats are out there "
"where as if a man stares at a female the wrong way it's acted upon." I can't take anyone seriously who writes this.  |
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The studies do show that women face less consequences for crimes committed
But that’s only one thing. There’s plenty of aspects where men get the upper hand.
And I dunno if getting the upper hand in being a criminal is a great thing anyways |
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"Women very rarely commit very violent crimes. Those who do are very harshly treated possibly more so than men as it's so unusual and unexpected. They are also more often the sole carers for children so it's it better for society to lock them up for non violent crimes?
I disagree. If you look at for example male DA, a lot more support is there for women, than men. A lot of men are told to man up, where as if a man stares at a female the wrong way it's acted upon.
In terms of minors, a lot of news article highlight recently a certain gender that have been sentenced due to horric acts, however if this was a male they would be given a much harsher sentences. Stats are out there "
Yes some women are cunts, some women are utterly unstable. Much the same as men.
To suggest action is taken if a man stares at a female the wrong way gives me head shakes.
A few things to unpack with that.
First up, how is staring ever in a good way?
Secondly, do you possibly think that being stared at makes an awful lot of women uncomfortable because they've been threatened or assaulted before? Being stared at causes people in general to feel uncomfortable. I was at work a few days ago and one of the lads pulled up on his bike. I was standing by the big window staring directly at him waiting for him to turn round. He didn't. He looked uncomfortable. When he came in I told him I was at the window and he said "thank fuck for that, I could feel someone watching me and I didn't wanna turn round coz it was creeping me out".
Imagine that when you don't know if you're at risk of assault, in danger of having your life impacted in a way you never ever want to imagine but statistically you know IS gonna happen at some point.
Men are generally told to man up by other men. Toxic masculinity frittered about unwittingly creating more harm than good. Yes it's tough for some men to open up, that shows me they don't trust others to show humanity and empathy, that they hold themselves to standards that are unattainable and unhealthy. An invisible anvil on their shoulders.... much like the anvil women carry simply by being women knowing you're gonna get assaulted at some point, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones who "only" get assaulted once or twice in your life.... but it's doubtful |
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By *eliusMan
over a year ago
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Remember Lavinia Woodward .. stabbed her boyfriend (not in self defence) no prison sentence as judge said she had promising career … my partner got stopped at speed check, clocked at 8 mile over. Was told ‘I’m sorry, but my super is watching so need to give you a ticket - never happened. Three days later I get a ticket for 3 miles above limit. I deserved it, I broke the speed limit … however equality? |
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"If we took the world as a whole. And asked what gender would they want their child to be if they were allowed one child only. I'm sure then you'd establish which the preferred gender would be. "
I was sooooo afraid of having a girl and the relief was undeniable when I learned I was having a boy. I never ever wanted a daughter, I know I'd not be able to protect her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women. "
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about . |
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Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story. |
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"Remember Lavinia Woodward .. stabbed her boyfriend (not in self defence) no prison sentence as judge said she had promising career … my partner got stopped at speed check, clocked at 8 mile over. Was told ‘I’m sorry, but my super is watching so need to give you a ticket - never happened. Three days later I get a ticket for 3 miles above limit. I deserved it, I broke the speed limit … however equality?"
Fair point . |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about ."
I agree with this to be fair. Someone a while ago said why shouldn’t female football players get paid the same as male?!! Ermmmm! |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about ."
It was a talk on women doing the same job description as men, in my sector where there shouldn't be a difference. And my company was one of the worst for gender pay gaps in the UK. We've improved but we're still lagging behind
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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago
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Research and pressure from lobbying groups led to the government publishing a strategy in 2018 to improve outcomes for women in the CJS in absolute recognition and acceptance of the fact that vulnerability led many women into contact with the CJS, that women were more vulnerable and fared worse while in the system, and also had poor outcomes upon exit from the system. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story. "
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
I agree with this to be fair. Someone a while ago said why shouldn’t female football players get paid the same as male?!! Ermmmm!"
How much extra money is put into boy's football. Mens professional football. How much more is spent on marketing. What percentage of women's football is shown on TV compared to men's football? Have to look at the whole picture. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's"
Well in those places you have mentioned that should not be the case . |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's"
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done? |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
I agree with this to be fair. Someone a while ago said why shouldn’t female football players get paid the same as male?!! Ermmmm!
How much extra money is put into boy's football. Mens professional football. How much more is spent on marketing. What percentage of women's football is shown on TV compared to men's football? Have to look at the whole picture. "
Exactly. When women’s football fills stadiums like men’s football does and there is enough TV viewers to warrant sky sports/BBC etc having the match on their channels then those women footballers will get paid the same. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done? "
Things can be done but they take time. The promotion process has been built to favour men, which in most work places needs modernising. We're in the process of this in my workplace and the gap in narrowing.
It's not all about women, men have benefited too from the changes. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
Well in those places you have mentioned that should not be the case ."
I've selected three examples. There are hundreds of organisations and companies that don't pay the same to women. |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
I agree with this to be fair. Someone a while ago said why shouldn’t female football players get paid the same as male?!! Ermmmm!
How much extra money is put into boy's football. Mens professional football. How much more is spent on marketing. What percentage of women's football is shown on TV compared to men's football? Have to look at the whole picture.
Exactly. When women’s football fills stadiums like men’s football does and there is enough TV viewers to warrant sky sports/BBC etc having the match on their channels then those women footballers will get paid the same. "
But Nora that will never happen without the same investment of time, resources and money into girls football! |
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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago
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Womens football used to be huge. Womens football was a massive, stadium filling affair as a result of WW1 keeping the game afloat during that period and the reward was the FA promptly banning it as a sport women shouldn't be involved with when peacetime resumed and men filtered back into the sport. The ban remained in place for 50 odd years. All forgotten when people talk about why the men's game is bigger and treat it like something women are just starting to dabble in. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Things can be done but they take time. The promotion process has been built to favour men, which in most work places needs modernising. We're in the process of this in my workplace and the gap in narrowing.
It's not all about women, men have benefited too from the changes. "
Does it take time?
If there’s concrete evidence that men are being paid more for the same job. As those statistics posted suggest, why does it take time? Why didn’t it take time with the Asda situation?
Just seems weird to me. Apparently we have concrete evidence that somethings being done illegally and nothing gets done? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
It was a talk on women doing the same job description as men, in my sector where there shouldn't be a difference. And my company was one of the worst for gender pay gaps in the UK. We've improved but we're still lagging behind
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It is illegal for a company to pay differently based on being female or male, for doing the same job. If the job description is the same, the job title is the same, it is the same job.
If the pay is coupled to performance / sales, discrepancies will be apparent but that can work both ways.
A lot of the time male and female pay gaps are not reflective of the reality. There are a lot more woman working in lower paid jobs but those lower paid jobs will be lower paid for men too.
If the focus was moved to supporting females into better paid roles that would be a much better in my opinion, than saying woman are paid less than men. |
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
I agree with this to be fair. Someone a while ago said why shouldn’t female football players get paid the same as male?!! Ermmmm!
How much extra money is put into boy's football. Mens professional football. How much more is spent on marketing. What percentage of women's football is shown on TV compared to men's football? Have to look at the whole picture.
Exactly. When women’s football fills stadiums like men’s football does and there is enough TV viewers to warrant sky sports/BBC etc having the match on their channels then those women footballers will get paid the same.
But Nora that will never happen without the same investment of time, resources and money into girls football! "
It won’t anyway. Do you seriously think women’s football can be as big as men’s? Do you think women’s boxing could ever generate the kind of money men’s boxing does? In an ideal world yes. But I’m a realist not an idealist. Happy to be proved wrong in years to come but I don’t think I will be. |
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By *aliceWoman
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It isn't an apparently. Again there's a plan published in 2019 to address gender inequality in the workplace but the rate of progress against that plan isn't exactly encouraging. All the studies show more diverse workplaces are higher performing workplaces but equality is often thought of by as some kind of cake, whereby to give others more of a fair share you have to give up some of your own. |
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"Womens football used to be huge. Womens football was a massive, stadium filling affair as a result of WW1 keeping the game afloat during that period and the reward was the FA promptly banning it as a sport women shouldn't be involved with when peacetime resumed and men filtered back into the sport. The ban remained in place for 50 odd years. All forgotten when people talk about why the men's game is bigger and treat it like something women are just starting to dabble in."
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's"
Different roles have different pay grades, more women in those organisations are working in lower pay grade jobs. The men working in those same roles will be paid the same as women.
This type of information bias is damaging to women in general when it is picked apart and proven to be wrong, like it has done many times. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done? "
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
It was a talk on women doing the same job description as men, in my sector where there shouldn't be a difference. And my company was one of the worst for gender pay gaps in the UK. We've improved but we're still lagging behind
It is illegal for a company to pay differently based on being female or male, for doing the same job. If the job description is the same, the job title is the same, it is the same job.
If the pay is coupled to performance / sales, discrepancies will be apparent but that can work both ways.
A lot of the time male and female pay gaps are not reflective of the reality. There are a lot more woman working in lower paid jobs but those lower paid jobs will be lower paid for men too.
If the focus was moved to supporting females into better paid roles that would be a much better in my opinion, than saying woman are paid less than men."
In my work place there were men being paid more than women for the same job, for a very specific reason. This has been changed and is now rectified.
Agreed though we need to progress and develop women and other minorities in the work place and that is part of my job in my institution is. As I mentioned above that the promotion process favoured men so it's been altered. Same as job descriptions going out, the way they are worded was "putting women off" so they have been changed. Same of information packs in work they have changed in the last decade to show more representation of women. I could go on for hours on this subject and often have to, but that's not for Fab. But these small changes but they all add up.
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done? "
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
It was a talk on women doing the same job description as men, in my sector where there shouldn't be a difference. And my company was one of the worst for gender pay gaps in the UK. We've improved but we're still lagging behind
It is illegal for a company to pay differently based on being female or male, for doing the same job. If the job description is the same, the job title is the same, it is the same job.
If the pay is coupled to performance / sales, discrepancies will be apparent but that can work both ways.
A lot of the time male and female pay gaps are not reflective of the reality. There are a lot more woman working in lower paid jobs but those lower paid jobs will be lower paid for men too.
If the focus was moved to supporting females into better paid roles that would be a much better in my opinion, than saying woman are paid less than men."
Some of the work that's being done, I believe, is tackling the inequalities in those being hired, promoted etc. But these organisations need pressure to change their biased practices - that's why publishing that information is critical. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it? "
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality. |
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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago
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The gender pay gap isn't women earning less than men for the same job, its womens median earnings being lower than men's. Equal pay for the same job is a separate issue- albeit still very much an issue.
Girls exit education with higher attainment than boys on average but will earn less in their careers on average and that's an obvious problem. It's about misogyny, gendered employment, cultural barriers to stem professions, inequality burden of childcare and other care, lack of affordable childcare etc etc. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I often wonder... I do a lot of this.... Are women in society the more acceptable race. What I mean is : lot more clothing options,more lenient when it comes to offences, to name a few.
This is not a dig by any means, so please do not take this the wrong way, but how society is portrayed.
Women aren't a race.
Clothing choices is due to demand no? So men should demand more choice.
What evidence do you have that we have more lenient sentences and for what reason would we have them?
Do I think women have it easier? We have it easier than we did yes, in general nope.
Signed off as a woman who has just come from an international women's Day talk how men are still payed more than women.
A company l know gave some top positions to women and to say that that same company aren't doing as well is an understatement , does that company regret it ..course it does but they went along with equal measure and look where it got them . Anyway what l do for a living doesn't have any Women in that same area so it really doesn't affect me , does a woman deserve to be on the same pay in the position she does as a male does ? Course she does if the same results are there .That is only in the same work area , does a professional female soccer lady deserve the same pay as a male professional soccer player , imho , no , simply because the Male end of it generates a lot more money.it all depends on what employment you are talking about .
It was a talk on women doing the same job description as men, in my sector where there shouldn't be a difference. And my company was one of the worst for gender pay gaps in the UK. We've improved but we're still lagging behind
It is illegal for a company to pay differently based on being female or male, for doing the same job. If the job description is the same, the job title is the same, it is the same job.
If the pay is coupled to performance / sales, discrepancies will be apparent but that can work both ways.
A lot of the time male and female pay gaps are not reflective of the reality. There are a lot more woman working in lower paid jobs but those lower paid jobs will be lower paid for men too.
If the focus was moved to supporting females into better paid roles that would be a much better in my opinion, than saying woman are paid less than men.
Some of the work that's being done, I believe, is tackling the inequalities in those being hired, promoted etc. But these organisations need pressure to change their biased practices - that's why publishing that information is critical. "
This is a really good point... In my work I get to see a lot of blue chip organisations and how they work. I have noticed a female heavy business department is equally guilty of showing favour to their friends and coworkers who deserve a promotion because of time served, as a male biased team.
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality. "
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side |
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"The gender pay gap isn't women earning less than men for the same job, its womens median earnings being lower than men's. Equal pay for the same job is a separate issue- albeit still very much an issue.
Girls exit education with higher attainment than boys on average but will earn less in their careers on average and that's an obvious problem. It's about misogyny, gendered employment, cultural barriers to stem professions, inequality burden of childcare and other care, lack of affordable childcare etc etc."
Beat me to it! There are many and varied reasons why more women work part-time and in lower paid jobs than men. Lack of flexible working for men being amongst them.
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality.
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side "
I'm on equalities sides as a female with son's. It's not about male Vs female, it's about having a fair system for all |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality.
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side "
I think Frida and Malice have a better handle on this issue than I do, but not simple at all.
But I worry about the pressure on my sons as they get older, I worry about their mental health and their self-esteem. I worry about the violence that they may encounter. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality.
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side
I'm on equalities sides as a female with son's. It's not about male Vs female, it's about having a fair system for all "
I just acknowledge I’m an idiot and that I’m luck I don’t need to get too involved with something I don’t understand
I see very compelling arguments for both sides. That’s a pay gap does / doesn’t exist
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
To get sex.
I wouldn’t say it's easier on all counts, far from it."
Just in general really I've found any way often feel for some of the blokes here x
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
Depends what you’re looking for etc. I don’t find it easy at all. "
I haven't. I've stopped even trying it's been so disheartening. |
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
Depends what you’re looking for etc. I don’t find it easy at all.
I haven't. I've stopped even trying it's been so disheartening. "
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
Well in those places you have mentioned that should not be the case .
I've selected three examples. There are hundreds of organisations and companies that don't pay the same to women. "
Even my organisation has a gender paygap even though a huge majority of the workforce is women (nurses and admin). Most of the execs are men though. |
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
Depends what you’re looking for etc. I don’t find it easy at all.
I haven't. I've stopped even trying it's been so disheartening. "
Funnily enough it’s when I’ve done that that someone always comes along. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality.
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side
I think Frida and Malice have a better handle on this issue than I do, but not simple at all.
But I worry about the pressure on my sons as they get older, I worry about their mental health and their self-esteem. I worry about the violence that they may encounter. "
Men/boys will have different hurdles and barriers. But I think better provisions need to be available for them to counter these also. We as parents can also give them better tools to deal with their emotions, which I hope I'm doing alright with. Life is hard for everyone, we just need to get the right tools to the right people to attempt to balance things out. |
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"If we took the world as a whole. And asked what gender would they want their child to be if they were allowed one child only. I'm sure then you'd establish which the preferred gender would be.
I was sooooo afraid of having a girl and the relief was undeniable when I learned I was having a boy. I never ever wanted a daughter, I know I'd not be able to protect her."
Our daughter is turning into an absolute dude (in the best way possible). She'll be absolutely fine *strong arm emoji* |
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
Depends what you’re looking for etc. I don’t find it easy at all.
I haven't. I've stopped even trying it's been so disheartening.
Sorry to hear that! x"
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I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question. |
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"I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question. "
But back in history, men's clothes were very elaborate (for the middle and upper classes), with ruffles and bows and bright colours. Showing a bit of leg was considered very de rigour and hats with big feathers were all the rage. I'd argue men's fashion in the 1700s was far more elaborate than the ladies.
Times change... |
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"It's defo far easier on this site for women x
Depends what you’re looking for etc. I don’t find it easy at all.
I haven't. I've stopped even trying it's been so disheartening.
Funnily enough it’s when I’ve done that that someone always comes along. "
As I am not messaging and I've turned mesaages off, I doubt it! |
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"I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question.
But back in history, men's clothes were very elaborate (for the middle and upper classes), with ruffles and bows and bright colours. Showing a bit of leg was considered very de rigour and hats with big feathers were all the rage. I'd argue men's fashion in the 1700s was far more elaborate than the ladies.
Times change..."
Yes thats true actually, men should have more ruffles and massive top hats nowadays. |
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"Anecdotes don't really tell the whole story. They tell your story, not what a situation is across the UK. Verified statistics tell the whole story. Peer reviewed research tells the whole story.
For example: the pay gap between men and women. Today the PayGapBotApp (which uses govt stats) is tweeting the pay gap for each company/organisation that tweets about International Women's Day.
Leicestershire Police: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 31.6% lower than men's.
Barnsley hospital: In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 25% lower than men's.
NASUWT (Union): In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 33.9% lower than men's
My question is that it’s illegal to do that in the UK. If there’s evidence it can get changed, much like it did with Asda
Why is nothing being done?
Why do you think there isn't work being done?
Because it’s illegal to do that. Like there’s specific laws about that. If we have concrete evidence that there’s a 30% pay difference it should be a quick visit in court and fixed
Why isn’t it?
Look at the information on the Govt pay gap site. It's not as black and white as one person being paid 30% less per hour. gender-pay-gap.service dot gov dot uk
There are recommended ways to tackle the inequality.
Ah right so it’s not as simple as just a few quick statistics?
I read the post and thought “surely all female police should just stop working until that’s fixed”
It’s never as simple as it seems. If we were just gonna throw around quick statistics then technically yeah, female footballers get paid much less then men, but we all know why there’s fair and just reasons for that
Complicated subject. Glad I’m on the mens side
I think Frida and Malice have a better handle on this issue than I do, but not simple at all.
But I worry about the pressure on my sons as they get older, I worry about their mental health and their self-esteem. I worry about the violence that they may encounter.
Men/boys will have different hurdles and barriers. But I think better provisions need to be available for them to counter these also. We as parents can also give them better tools to deal with their emotions, which I hope I'm doing alright with. Life is hard for everyone, we just need to get the right tools to the right people to attempt to balance things out. "
I don't think I'm doing a great job as their parent. I have both. But I keep trying. |
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"I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question.
But back in history, men's clothes were very elaborate (for the middle and upper classes), with ruffles and bows and bright colours. Showing a bit of leg was considered very de rigour and hats with big feathers were all the rage. I'd argue men's fashion in the 1700s was far more elaborate than the ladies.
Times change...
Yes thats true actually, men should have more ruffles and massive top hats nowadays. "
And tight breeches. Why aren't they on trend? |
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"I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question.
But back in history, men's clothes were very elaborate (for the middle and upper classes), with ruffles and bows and bright colours. Showing a bit of leg was considered very de rigour and hats with big feathers were all the rage. I'd argue men's fashion in the 1700s was far more elaborate than the ladies.
Times change...
Yes thats true actually, men should have more ruffles and massive top hats nowadays.
And tight breeches. Why aren't they on trend? "
Haven't they been replaced by skinny jeans? Showing a bit of ankle with no socks is the new "calf"  |
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"I think mens clothes are a bit boring to be fair. It's either trousers or a shirt isnt it if you want to be fancy. Women have better clothes. To be totally simplistic about the whole question.
But back in history, men's clothes were very elaborate (for the middle and upper classes), with ruffles and bows and bright colours. Showing a bit of leg was considered very de rigour and hats with big feathers were all the rage. I'd argue men's fashion in the 1700s was far more elaborate than the ladies.
Times change...
Yes thats true actually, men should have more ruffles and massive top hats nowadays.
And tight breeches. Why aren't they on trend?
Haven't they been replaced by skinny jeans? Showing a bit of ankle with no socks is the new "calf" "
I think I much prefer a tight breech. Men often look pretty daft in skinny jeans! |
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