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Yes yes, there have been many a thread about them, and who has them, the shape, the placement etc, but this one is a little ..... different.
I've been doing some reading and listening about them. Some will laugh at me, others will think I've lost my last marble and there may be a few who think "oh, now that's interesting"
There was a child born with a collection of birthmarks on his chest. As the child grew into one that could speak he told his parents of his past life, even down to walking up to a house in a town he had never visited and telling them that's where he lives.
So, his parents looked into what the child was saying.
The man who lived there? Died from being shot in the chest. The wounds match exactly the child's birthmarks.
There are lots more cases like this one.
So, I'm wondering, does anyone with a birthmark recall a past life, and if so, could that birthmark be "evidence"?
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That’s an intriguing story m’lady.
I actually know a lady with a birthmark on her left bum cheek. In light of this and if birthmarks are indeed indicative of some element of a former life, I’d pay good money to hear hers  |
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"That’s an intriguing story m’lady.
I actually know a lady with a birthmark on her left bum cheek. In light of this and if birthmarks are indeed indicative of some element of a former life, I’d pay good money to hear hers "
https://youtu.be/rffa77unwd4
I've got one on the back of my thigh that looks like I've sat on a chocolate button and melted it.
I was probably a fox and got pelted by a farmer  |
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I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ). |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ). "
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports. "
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it. |
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"Yes yes, there have been many a thread about them, and who has them, the shape, the placement etc, but this one is a little ..... different.
I've been doing some reading and listening about them. Some will laugh at me, others will think I've lost my last marble and there may be a few who think "oh, now that's interesting"
There was a child born with a collection of birthmarks on his chest. As the child grew into one that could speak he told his parents of his past life, even down to walking up to a house in a town he had never visited and telling them that's where he lives.
So, his parents looked into what the child was saying.
The man who lived there? Died from being shot in the chest. The wounds match exactly the child's birthmarks.
There are lots more cases like this one.
So, I'm wondering, does anyone with a birthmark recall a past life, and if so, could that birthmark be "evidence"?
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The wee voodoo, witchy, crystal loving person in me would love to believe this.
But my rational napper says no.
I have a birthmark...no recollection of a past life though I did tell countless stories at school as to what it was just to make it seem more interesting  |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports. "
Interesting.
I was reading comments on Reddit recently about creepy things kids have said to their parents.
When I was expecting our son I used to have very vivid dreams about France, when he could talk he used to say things like "when I lived in France". I can't rule out that he heard me talking about my dreams though.
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it. "
Oh totally, some are so young tho.
There was one lady who lost a child at a very young age. He had cancer or a really bad infection I believe and a stenty thing with antibiotics or something going right into his skull behind his ear.
Few years later she had another baby, who had a birthmark in the same place as the stenty thing.
It could totes be coincidence, but still pretty cool. |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
Interesting.
I was reading comments on Reddit recently about creepy things kids have said to their parents.
When I was expecting our son I used to have very vivid dreams about France, when he could talk he used to say things like "when I lived in France". I can't rule out that he heard me talking about my dreams though.
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There was a lad who had recollection of being a soldier. His parents assumed it was just play or imagination.
Until he started writing in Russian |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it.
Oh totally, some are so young tho.
There was one lady who lost a child at a very young age. He had cancer or a really bad infection I believe and a stenty thing with antibiotics or something going right into his skull behind his ear.
Few years later she had another baby, who had a birthmark in the same place as the stenty thing.
It could totes be coincidence, but still pretty cool."
It is cool. I never know where I stand on these things.
I once had such a powerful feeling of deja vu. On my first visit out of Wales. Went to a small ancient market town in England. And I swear to god I knew where I was going and I'd been there before. This was in the age before internet so hadn't researched the place. And this always comes to mind when I think of things similar to this. |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
Interesting.
I was reading comments on Reddit recently about creepy things kids have said to their parents.
When I was expecting our son I used to have very vivid dreams about France, when he could talk he used to say things like "when I lived in France". I can't rule out that he heard me talking about my dreams though.
There was a lad who had recollection of being a soldier. His parents assumed it was just play or imagination.
Until he started writing in Russian "
We were just talking about this and Mr N reminded me of the time we stayed in France and found our son chatting in French (not fluent but way beyond his school level) to a fisherman.
Who knows. We don't know all there is to know by any stretch of the imagination and I don't dismiss any possibility one of the reasons I ask so many damn questions. |
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If thats true.. i mustve had a nail punched through or shot in my hand just behind my middle knuckle. And i dread to think what happened to poor fucker in my past life who had his cock mutilated  |
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Were the birthmarks on the baby a scaled down version of the gunshot wounds? (so they'll grow to be the same size as the victim) Or were they the same size as the adult's? That way they'll grow to be larger.
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it.
Oh totally, some are so young tho.
There was one lady who lost a child at a very young age. He had cancer or a really bad infection I believe and a stenty thing with antibiotics or something going right into his skull behind his ear.
Few years later she had another baby, who had a birthmark in the same place as the stenty thing.
It could totes be coincidence, but still pretty cool.
It is cool. I never know where I stand on these things.
I once had such a powerful feeling of deja vu. On my first visit out of Wales. Went to a small ancient market town in England. And I swear to god I knew where I was going and I'd been there before. This was in the age before internet so hadn't researched the place. And this always comes to mind when I think of things similar to this. "
As I understand it memories consist of actual physical proteins in our brains - I believe they have been able to implant false memories in mice for example. My question is by what process would these proteins be coded for in the developing foetus/young child? Obviously our knowledge of memories and how they work is still limited, and my untrained understanding of it all far more so, but ideas like this always seem to posit actions that quite simply break the laws of nature. While I know our understanding of these laws is not yet complete, their domains of applicability seem to rule out anything like this being possible.
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it.
Oh totally, some are so young tho.
There was one lady who lost a child at a very young age. He had cancer or a really bad infection I believe and a stenty thing with antibiotics or something going right into his skull behind his ear.
Few years later she had another baby, who had a birthmark in the same place as the stenty thing.
It could totes be coincidence, but still pretty cool.
It is cool. I never know where I stand on these things.
I once had such a powerful feeling of deja vu. On my first visit out of Wales. Went to a small ancient market town in England. And I swear to god I knew where I was going and I'd been there before. This was in the age before internet so hadn't researched the place. And this always comes to mind when I think of things similar to this.
As I understand it memories consist of actual physical proteins in our brains - I believe they have been able to implant false memories in mice for example. My question is by what process would these proteins be coded for in the developing foetus/young child? Obviously our knowledge of memories and how they work is still limited, and my untrained understanding of it all far more so, but ideas like this always seem to posit actions that quite simply break the laws of nature. While I know our understanding of these laws is not yet complete, their domains of applicability seem to rule out anything like this being possible.
Mr"
Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.  |
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"I'd love to believe these things but I just don't know how you could validate anything like this. How did they know exactly where this guy had bullet wounds is my first question.(you know what I'm like with questions ).
Photo from the medical reports.
How do we know though that it's not something he's picked up from some other source or another?
Not saying that is the case but you never know. Like kids memories of things, some are genuine but some are stories parents have recollected so often they believe they remember it.
Oh totally, some are so young tho.
There was one lady who lost a child at a very young age. He had cancer or a really bad infection I believe and a stenty thing with antibiotics or something going right into his skull behind his ear.
Few years later she had another baby, who had a birthmark in the same place as the stenty thing.
It could totes be coincidence, but still pretty cool.
It is cool. I never know where I stand on these things.
I once had such a powerful feeling of deja vu. On my first visit out of Wales. Went to a small ancient market town in England. And I swear to god I knew where I was going and I'd been there before. This was in the age before internet so hadn't researched the place. And this always comes to mind when I think of things similar to this.
As I understand it memories consist of actual physical proteins in our brains - I believe they have been able to implant false memories in mice for example. My question is by what process would these proteins be coded for in the developing foetus/young child? Obviously our knowledge of memories and how they work is still limited, and my untrained understanding of it all far more so, but ideas like this always seem to posit actions that quite simply break the laws of nature. While I know our understanding of these laws is not yet complete, their domains of applicability seem to rule out anything like this being possible.
Mr"
There's loads of ways to implant false memories. The human brain is weird as hell. I mean ask people who have been abused how their memories have been altered. It's one thing being able to code for protein. I can make proteins in the lab easy peasy. But getting those proteins to the correct place and having the correct post translational modifications are a totally different matter. I think it would be incredibly difficult for this to occur. I know many people believe in individual cells feeling or holding past trauma. When in reality most of the cells in my body are at most 10 years old. So I'm not quite sure how this kind of trauma and information can be stored and passed on. Oh I can babble for ages on this.  |
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up. "
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
Mr"
So protein won't be passed on, and that's all DNA is a coding strand for protein. Now DNA changes as we get older and each time a cell replicates the more likely it is that an error occurs. Which is why we're more likely to get cancer as we get older.
Think then we have to define "memory" and what does it actually mean. |
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There's loads of ways to implant false memories. The human brain is weird as hell. I mean ask people who have been abused how their memories have been altered. It's one thing being able to code for protein. I can make proteins in the lab easy peasy. But getting those proteins to the correct place and having the correct post translational modifications are a totally different matter. I think it would be incredibly difficult for this to occur. I know many people believe in individual cells feeling or holding past trauma. When in reality most of the cells in my body are at most 10 years old. So I'm not quite sure how this kind of trauma and information can be stored and passed on. Oh I can babble for ages on this. "
Yes, false memories are fascinating. I can remember arguing with a friend who believes her memories are all absolutely 100% accurate.
Some really interesting studies on split brains and confabulation.
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
Mr
So protein won't be passed on, and that's all DNA is a coding strand for protein. Now DNA changes as we get older and each time a cell replicates the more likely it is that an error occurs. Which is why we're more likely to get cancer as we get older.
Think then we have to define "memory" and what does it actually mean. "
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. If we say that the memories are inherited then the data has to be inherited directly.
My understanding of DNA is that (in massively oversimplified terms and ones that probably rely far too heavily on a computer anaolgy) it codes as a program rather than a memory store. The file size for a search engine is considerably smaller than all the stored data it can access. If our brains have genetic memories it would be like inheriting the contents of Wikipedia rather than the few lines of code needed to find a page there. So if we were able to inherit memories not only would that require significant changes to our DNA through our life to reflect that new stored info but also a far larger DNA (dependent on the amount of data transferred in the memory). As neither of these are true it seems highly unlikely we can inherit memories.
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
Mr
So protein won't be passed on, and that's all DNA is a coding strand for protein. Now DNA changes as we get older and each time a cell replicates the more likely it is that an error occurs. Which is why we're more likely to get cancer as we get older.
Think then we have to define "memory" and what does it actually mean.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. If we say that the memories are inherited then the data has to be inherited directly.
My understanding of DNA is that (in massively oversimplified terms and ones that probably rely far too heavily on a computer anaolgy) it codes as a program rather than a memory store. The file size for a search engine is considerably smaller than all the stored data it can access. If our brains have genetic memories it would be like inheriting the contents of Wikipedia rather than the few lines of code needed to find a page there. So if we were able to inherit memories not only would that require significant changes to our DNA through our life to reflect that new stored info but also a far larger DNA (dependent on the amount of data transferred in the memory). As neither of these are true it seems highly unlikely we can inherit memories.
Mr"
Yep so DNA is code, so (geneticists I know this is wrong but I'm too lazy to look it up) so for every 3 DNA bases eg TAG will code for 1 amino acid say alanine. Each amino acid is like a lego block and they make up proteins. Proteins then go into various organelles in the cell to be altered from their linear shape and or have tags put on them so they go to particular places in the cell. That is a massively over simplified version. But even that in itself is complex enough.
If we think the body which is trying to survive to replicate. Is it going to add memories of past trauma, which hugely energy consuming in reality? |
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
Mr
So protein won't be passed on, and that's all DNA is a coding strand for protein. Now DNA changes as we get older and each time a cell replicates the more likely it is that an error occurs. Which is why we're more likely to get cancer as we get older.
Think then we have to define "memory" and what does it actually mean.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. If we say that the memories are inherited then the data has to be inherited directly.
My understanding of DNA is that (in massively oversimplified terms and ones that probably rely far too heavily on a computer anaolgy) it codes as a program rather than a memory store. The file size for a search engine is considerably smaller than all the stored data it can access. If our brains have genetic memories it would be like inheriting the contents of Wikipedia rather than the few lines of code needed to find a page there. So if we were able to inherit memories not only would that require significant changes to our DNA through our life to reflect that new stored info but also a far larger DNA (dependent on the amount of data transferred in the memory). As neither of these are true it seems highly unlikely we can inherit memories.
Mr
Yep so DNA is code, so (geneticists I know this is wrong but I'm too lazy to look it up) so for every 3 DNA bases eg TAG will code for 1 amino acid say alanine. Each amino acid is like a lego block and they make up proteins. Proteins then go into various organelles in the cell to be altered from their linear shape and or have tags put on them so they go to particular places in the cell. That is a massively over simplified version. But even that in itself is complex enough.
If we think the body which is trying to survive to replicate. Is it going to add memories of past trauma, which hugely energy consuming in reality? "
I think that last comment alone is evidence enough against. What possible reproductive advantage could there be to create a pressure to evolve memory inheritance?
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Would that suggest that the proteins be passed down in a genetic way from a relative? Doesn't explain the stories of people many miles away or in different countries.
I'm interested in the mice memory thing. I need to look that up.
If so it would revolutionise our understanding of DNA - that it somehow changes through our lives. Also, I'd question how much data can be stored and transmitted by a few modified strands of DNA .....
Assuming that did turn out to be the case you could only have "memories" from a genetic forbear.
Mr
So protein won't be passed on, and that's all DNA is a coding strand for protein. Now DNA changes as we get older and each time a cell replicates the more likely it is that an error occurs. Which is why we're more likely to get cancer as we get older.
Think then we have to define "memory" and what does it actually mean.
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. If we say that the memories are inherited then the data has to be inherited directly.
My understanding of DNA is that (in massively oversimplified terms and ones that probably rely far too heavily on a computer anaolgy) it codes as a program rather than a memory store. The file size for a search engine is considerably smaller than all the stored data it can access. If our brains have genetic memories it would be like inheriting the contents of Wikipedia rather than the few lines of code needed to find a page there. So if we were able to inherit memories not only would that require significant changes to our DNA through our life to reflect that new stored info but also a far larger DNA (dependent on the amount of data transferred in the memory). As neither of these are true it seems highly unlikely we can inherit memories.
Mr
Yep so DNA is code, so (geneticists I know this is wrong but I'm too lazy to look it up) so for every 3 DNA bases eg TAG will code for 1 amino acid say alanine. Each amino acid is like a lego block and they make up proteins. Proteins then go into various organelles in the cell to be altered from their linear shape and or have tags put on them so they go to particular places in the cell. That is a massively over simplified version. But even that in itself is complex enough.
If we think the body which is trying to survive to replicate. Is it going to add memories of past trauma, which hugely energy consuming in reality?
I think that last comment alone is evidence enough against. What possible reproductive advantage could there be to create a pressure to evolve memory inheritance?
Mr"
Yep it's not beneficial to the organism in fact it would be a massive disadvantage. Imagine if I retained all the traumas of my ancestors. I'd be a blob of goo in the corner lol |
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"Yes yes, there have been many a thread about them, and who has them, the shape, the placement etc, but this one is a little ..... different.
I've been doing some reading and listening about them. Some will laugh at me, others will think I've lost my last marble and there may be a few who think "oh, now that's interesting"
There was a child born with a collection of birthmarks on his chest. As the child grew into one that could speak he told his parents of his past life, even down to walking up to a house in a town he had never visited and telling them that's where he lives.
So, his parents looked into what the child was saying.
The man who lived there? Died from being shot in the chest. The wounds match exactly the child's birthmarks.
There are lots more cases like this one.
So, I'm wondering, does anyone with a birthmark recall a past life, and if so, could that birthmark be "evidence"?
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I have one on my back, left side about an inch long. I don't recall a past life but I have trust issues so maybe I was stabbed in the back in another life? |
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"I was reading about a small child who was shown a picture of somewhere in Paris and said "that's where I had my head chopped off".
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I laughed at that.
Now I feel a right cunt.
I simply wasn't expecting it! |
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"I was reading about a small child who was shown a picture of somewhere in Paris and said "that's where I had my head chopped off".
I laughed at that.
Now I feel a right cunt.
I simply wasn't expecting it! "
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