FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > Octupus farming
Octupus farming
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?"
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming? "
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us. "
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers. "
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"ive always said that to save a species, convice peopl to eat them, look at howmany cows and sheep there are, very few whales, maybe we should eat them too"
didn't work for the dodo and what about the state of the cod population? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers.
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such. "
What nonsense...
Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"ive always said that to save a species, convice peopl to eat them, look at howmany cows and sheep there are, very few whales, maybe we should eat them too"
Perversely this is why we have national parks. (Originally formed by hunters in Africa).
Doesn't really excuse it today though. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers.
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such.
What nonsense...
Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ..."
Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers.
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such.
What nonsense...
Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ...
Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient” "
Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus!
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"And if this goes ahead these science types will seek to genetically modify these poos octopuses. Longer legs etc.. and then they escape .
Frankenstein food
Watch out sharks. "
They’re going to give them covid vaccine and watch them grow propellers and wings! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers.
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such.
What nonsense...
Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ...
Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient”
Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus!
"
Whilst not wishing to stereotype myself, note location |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?
Can’t see an issue with this. Is it any different from any other forms of farming?
Octopi have been classed as “sentient” by some branches of science. There is generally an issue that regardless of whether they are farmed or not, should we be eating a species that displays emotional intelligence albeit without the ability to communicate with us.
Someone better tell the Beef, Dairy and Sheep farmers.
“ The level of awareness that has been witnessed first-hand is to be recognised in UK law through an amendment to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill.
The change has come after a team of experts sifted through more than 300 scientific studies and concluded that octopuses were "sentient beings" and there was "strong scientific evidence" that they could experience pleasure, excitement and joy - but also pain, distress and harm.”
I’m not sure that cows and sheep have been classified as such.
What nonsense...
Bulls breed with cows because they enjoy it ...
Of course I’ll take your word over “300 scientific studies” herd animals breed because of genetic imperative, I cannot say whether or not bulls do it for pure enjoyment or to increase the likelihood of their genetic legacy, but they (apparently) do not warrant classification as “sentient”
Legal classifications aside. If you’ve ever spent any time on a farm then you’d know that a cow or sheep are at least as sentient as a octopus!
Whilst not wishing to stereotype myself, note location "
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases "
Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals.
Plants eat animals.
Bacteria eats us all in the end.
Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I dont eat octopus, never have, never will.
But surely it's better to farm them than to destroy the wild population?
All creatures have feelings, they show emotions if anyone would care to spend any time with them.
I'm sure if scientists did 300 studies on any creature, they would see it too. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
I'm sure if scientists did 300 studies on any creature, they would see it too. "
Weird that none of them would have done that already. Have you told Attenborough? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases
Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals.
Plants eat animals.
Bacteria eats us all in the end.
Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it."
The logic of that being that humans should stop thinking?... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
There's a great Netflix film called "My Octopus Teacher" which was amazing...so moving, beautiful and well worth watching. Showed how intelligent these creatures are and as has been said above, also are capable of sensing so many emotions.
Never eaten octopus since... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases
Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals.
Plants eat animals.
Bacteria eats us all in the end.
Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it.
The logic of that being that humans should stop thinking?..."
Judging by the actions displayed during the pandemic a lot of them have already. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"How sad we as the master race can decide things like this. So to eat to make a rational choice to eat a living animal or choose a vegetarian alternative. We choose death in most cases
Animals eat plants, animals eat fungi, animals eat animals.
Plants eat animals.
Bacteria eats us all in the end.
Humans are the only ones to stop and think about it."
Humans are one of a very few species that farms other species for food and the only species to do so that is capable of tailoring the methods used to reduce suffering.
Nature is full of examples of predatory behaviour that is bound to cause distress and suffering but we alone have the ability to consuder how we can reduce this.
I have no objection in principle to farming octopi as long as it is done in a way that reduces the level of stress on the animals to the same as their native environment (where they are also taken as prey, killed and eaten by other creatures). However I find the way this company is refusing disclose its methods very worrying though I understand there is a large commercial advantage to doing so. I'm also concerned about the sourcing of food to feed the octopi, our oceans are already being plundered in unsustainable ways to feed not just people directly but indirectly and far less efficiently
through the ever growing aquaculture industry.
It's all very well touting the environmental benefits of farmed octopi saving the wild ones but slightly less convincing when a) it is used as a way to increase the overall amount eaten and b) this increase is fed by stripping creatures from wild habitats and feeding them to the farmed animals.
Mr |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I've just driven past a field with rows upon rows of baby octopi... Or maybe ears of corn... Hard to tell as they are clever buggers that change colours to match their environment. So long as they aren't genetically modified. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Bulls are intelligent
Ask one of them then "
There were two bulls on top of a hill. One old bull and one young bull..
The young bull says, Let's run down the hill and mount one of those cows..
The old bull says no .
Let's walk down the hill and mount the lot..
Now you are saying that bulls are stupid.. ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Bulls are intelligent
Ask one of them then
There were two bulls on top of a hill. One old bull and one young bull..
The young bull says, Let's run down the hill and mount one of those cows..
The old bull says no .
Let's walk down the hill and mount the lot..
Now you are saying that bulls are stupid.. ?"
I'm saying that's bull shit |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental..
Arnt we all "
My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental..
Arnt we all
My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia.
"
That's dogs for you... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *akie32Man
over a year ago
winchester |
"And the clown claiming that animals are ,,sentimental..
Arnt we all
My dog isn't sentimental. He only cares about food, warmth and sleep. I've tried waxing lyrical with him about the good old times but he's just not interested in nostalgia.
That's dogs for you..."
no dogs love you, reminds me of an old joke.
man has a dog and cat, both are watching him put up a shelf, dog says oohhh your so clever wagging its tail, cat says that shelfs pissed and saunters off |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
A farm full of octopi/octopuses would be a dangerous thing. They would have all the farmers screwed up into jars whilst they made a bid for freedom after burning the place down. I would hope anyway. I would cheer them all the way. And provide the flammables for the bonfire. (Dont eat the Octopus  ) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I learned an Interesting thing about monkeys in captivity yesterday that may change some minds here"
That was a secret! You’re not supposed to tell anyone. Otherwise everyone will want free site supporter status! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I do wonder what could be the outcome of herding these buggers together..
If they are as intelligent as it is claimed they will join forces foreshore"
Intelligence and mass gatherings mean nothing. Millions gather with sophisticated communication networkers daily. And spend it talking about who’s going to win a dancing competition or whether the size of tits or penis makes a difference to global warming! I sincerely doubt a few octopi are going to cause a rift in the space and time! They might start an interesting thread by grown men in the south of england can’t afford shoes though |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Big outcry this week with the proposed first octupus farm breeding octupses for food.
Anybody a fan of this ?"
Why not? We eat other living things. I'll be eating octopus tomorrow night for Xmas Eve dinner.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild?
I don't know the answer to that."
If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ?
You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat...
It's good to have a choice |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild?
I don't know the answer to that.
If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ?
You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat...
It's good to have a choice"
It’s always better to hunt than farm, the meats much leaner too and not pumped full of ABI’s but just not possible in cities |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Isn't it better to farm than to take from the wild?
I don't know the answer to that.
If you were meat for aliens, would you rather live free as a human until they captured you or be kept from birth in an artificial environment and impregnated so that you will produce young and milk then have your young taken from you and then be killed when you can no longer produce young or milk or if you get ill and costly ?
You could be one of the lucky ones that is blindfolded at birth and bled every so often to keep your flesh nice and pale for those that pay big bucks to eat tender white baby meat...
It's good to have a choice"
They do similar to asparagus but that's not deemed cruel ..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
It’s always better to hunt than farm, the meats much leaner too and not pumped full of ABI’s but just not possible in cities"
Which animals have you hunted? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
