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What facts do you know about certain horror movies that not many know about?
I have a couple about the classic werewolf movie An American Werewolf in London.
The five pointed star which is known as a pentagram or pentacle has been known to have been used to ward off evil spirits so it makes sense that it would be used in The Slaughtered Lamb to keep the werewolf out.
The full moon occurs two nights in a row in the movie when David transforms which does actually occur. Those full moons are actually known as Blue Moons which makes sense with the songs of the same name and you can see a hint of blue in one of the shots of the moon. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Scream was originally going to be called Scary Movie but was changed by Miramax at the last minute.
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Beetlejuice was almost called Scared Sheetless. Warner Bros. executives didn’t like the name Beetlejuice and pushed to have it changed to House Ghosts. Burton jokingly suggested Scared Sheetless as an alternate name, and was appalled when Warner Bros. actually considered it |
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By *yronMan
over a year ago
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The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out. |
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"Scream was originally going to be called Scary Movie but was changed by Miramax at the last minute.
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Beetlejuice was almost called Scared Sheetless. Warner Bros. executives didn’t like the name Beetlejuice and pushed to have it changed to House Ghosts. Burton jokingly suggested Scared Sheetless as an alternate name, and was appalled when Warner Bros. actually considered it"
I knew about Scream but I didn't know about Beetlejuice being almost called Scared Sheetless. |
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"The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out."
I know that they actually cut the actress' finger because the tube on the knife wasn't working. |
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By *yronMan
over a year ago
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"The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out.
I know that they actually cut the actress' finger because the tube on the knife wasn't working."
Despite its cult status, the cast and crew hated working on it. |
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By *yronMan
over a year ago
grangemouth |
John Carpenter's 'The Fog' was partially inspired by a visit he and his then girlfriend paid to Stonehenge. The were visiting on what started out as clear day, but the fog started moving in as they stood on the monument. |
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"The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out.
I know that they actually cut the actress' finger because the tube on the knife wasn't working.
Despite its cult status, the cast and crew hated working on it. "
Indeed. Did you know that the skeleton of Leatherface's grandma sat in the chair was an actual real skeleton from India? |
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By *yronMan
over a year ago
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"The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out.
I know that they actually cut the actress' finger because the tube on the knife wasn't working.
Despite its cult status, the cast and crew hated working on it.
Indeed. Did you know that the skeleton of Leatherface's grandma sat in the chair was an actual real skeleton from India?"
That I didn't, thank you for that. I do know that Gunnar Hansen was not only a talented actor, he was also a trained counsellor.
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"The dinner party scene in 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' was filmed over several day. The food, which was real, wasn't replaced and there was a heatwave going on. By the third day, the looks of horror on the actors' faces was real, as the whole room had a stench that drove them out.
I know that they actually cut the actress' finger because the tube on the knife wasn't working.
Despite its cult status, the cast and crew hated working on it.
Indeed. Did you know that the skeleton of Leatherface's grandma sat in the chair was an actual real skeleton from India?
That I didn't, thank you for that. I do know that Gunnar Hansen was not only a talented actor, he was also a trained counsellor.
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The giant bat skeleton when the vampire Jerry is killed by sunlight in Fright Night was actually the original design for the Library Ghost in Ghostbusters but they didn't use it as it was deemed too scary. |
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over a year ago
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"In the psycho shower scene they used chocolate sauce for blood as it showed up better in black and white
Not true "
Hershey's chocolate syrup, because they had some handy |
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HR Giger designed the models in Alien and incorporated a human skull into the Alien model's head. AFAIK he never disclosed where he had procured it from |
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By *yronMan
over a year ago
grangemouth |
During the surgery scene in 'Dog Soldiers' there's a bit where Kevin McKidd punches out Sean Pertwee. It's not acting: Pertwee said something that upset McKidd and the resulting punch knocked him out. It was so good, it was kept in the film. |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"In the psycho shower scene they used chocolate sauce for blood as it showed up better in black and white
Not true
Hershey's chocolate syrup, because they had some handy thank you
This is true! "
Ok
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"During the surgery scene in 'Dog Soldiers' there's a bit where Kevin McKidd punches out Sean Pertwee. It's not acting: Pertwee said something that upset McKidd and the resulting punch knocked him out. It was so good, it was kept in the film."
Sean Pertwee was actually d*unk during that scene as well. |
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"During the surgery scene in 'Dog Soldiers' there's a bit where Kevin McKidd punches out Sean Pertwee. It's not acting: Pertwee said something that upset McKidd and the resulting punch knocked him out. It was so good, it was kept in the film." don’t fuck with the ginger highlanders lol
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"Robert
England
Was not first choice for
Freddie cruger "
Isn't it crazy to think now that they ever thought Warner should play Krueger? Thank god they went with Robert Englund, he IS Freddy Krueger! |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Robert
England
Was not first choice for
Freddie cruger
Isn't it crazy to think now that they ever thought Warner should play Krueger? Thank god they went with Robert Englund, he IS Freddy Krueger! "
Yes
Englund was great xx |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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"In the psycho shower scene they used chocolate sauce for blood as it showed up better in black and white
Not true
Hershey's chocolate syrup, because they had some handy thank you
This is true! "
They used Bosco chocolate syrup in Night of the Living Dead. |
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"In the psycho shower scene they used chocolate sauce for blood as it showed up better in black and white
Not true
Hershey's chocolate syrup, because they had some handy thank you
This is true!
They used Bosco chocolate syrup in Night of the Living Dead." was that a black and white movie? |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
Cambridge |
Talking of An American Werewolf…
Rik Mayall is an extra in the Slaughtered Lamb but it’s not the only horror movie he had a bit part in. He had a blink and you’ll miss it part in Michael Mann’s The Keep as a German soldier.
Alien was originally going to be called “Star Beast” and only came into being when a proposed adaptation of Dune fell through. Some of H.R. Giger’s concepts for the film still exist, for example , Harkonnen War Machines.
A major inspiration for Aliens was Them, the 1950s b movie about giant ants.
Veronica Cartwright’s character, Lambert, in Alien is canonically trans.
Jack Nicholson used to be a volunteer firefighter and as a result made short work of the door Shelley Duvall hides behind in the Shining. Kubrick had him do it again and hold back to make it more tense.
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"In the psycho shower scene they used chocolate sauce for blood as it showed up better in black and white
Not true
Hershey's chocolate syrup, because they had some handy thank you
This is true!
They used Bosco chocolate syrup in Night of the Living Dead. was that a black and white movie?" yes |
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The first girl to be attacked in Jaws wasn’t very convincing in her performance, so they tied a rope to her and dunked her when she wasn’t expecting it to get a more realistic reaction. Worked too! |
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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago
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"During the surgery scene in 'Dog Soldiers' there's a bit where Kevin McKidd punches out Sean Pertwee. It's not acting: Pertwee said something that upset McKidd and the resulting punch knocked him out. It was so good, it was kept in the film."
Love that film |
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over a year ago
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"In the famous last scene of the film ‘Carrie’ Sissy Spacek hand is actually used. They put her in a box underground and she was given instructions when to grab the actresses hand. "
Sissy Spacek wasn't first choice. Brian De Palma had his minds eye on someone else and didn't think she would make a good Carrie. Sissy only got an audition because her husband was the art director on the film. |
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"Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" in the Shining was ad libbed
I never understood why he said Johnny. Maybe it's a reference to Johnny Carson? "
Exactly that. That was how Johnny Carson was introduced on his show |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" in the Shining was ad libbed
I never understood why he said Johnny. Maybe it's a reference to Johnny Carson?
Exactly that. That was how Johnny Carson was introduced on his show"
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"Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" in the Shining was ad libbed
I never understood why he said Johnny. Maybe it's a reference to Johnny Carson?
Exactly that. That was how Johnny Carson was introduced on his show"
Also could be a reference to the character’s name. A lot of Johns went by the name of Jack. |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Lamberts reaction to the chest burster scene in Alien is real. They didn't tell her she was going to be sprayed with blood "
None of the actors apart from John Hurt knew what was going to happen in that scene so all their reactions are unscripted.
Alien was originally set Aboard a b52 bomber and set in world war 2. The crew would be plagued by a gremlin that threatened the plane.
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
Cambridge |
The initial final script of alien had the landing team find the space jockey alien had scratched a triangular symbol on his dash board. This leaves them baffled until the storm clears revealing a huge alien pyramid that dwarfs the spaceship. The pyramid is a temple dedicated to the worship of the aliens and before Kane is implanted they find a complex engraving of the alien’s life cycle. |
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The crew of the Exorcist thought it was cursed, they regularly bought a priest to bless the crew & cast. A fire completely destroyed the first set and it had to be rebuilt and by the end of the movies being made, 9 people associated with its production had passed.
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"Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" in the Shining was ad libbed
I never understood why he said Johnny. Maybe it's a reference to Johnny Carson?
Exactly that. That was how Johnny Carson was introduced on his show
Also could be a reference to the character’s name. A lot of Johns went by the name of Jack. "
It's both I think. Kubrick didn't get the Carson reference as he'd lived in England for so long and it was almost cut from the film. |
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"The crew of the Exorcist thought it was cursed, they regularly bought a priest to bless the crew & cast. A fire completely destroyed the first set and it had to be rebuilt and by the end of the movies being made, 9 people associated with its production had passed.
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I saw the Exorcist when I was 14 and slept with the lights on for at least two years afterward. |
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In the movie Alien, in the infamous scene with John Hurt, it acctuqlly took 2 takes to get (so not a shock to the cast as the myth goes). The look of disgust and horror was real though as the cast was told real animal blood and intestines where going to be used (they where not).
Also the Alien used shredded condoms as jaw tendons.
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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More werewolf related trivia - the 1941 movie The Wolf Man starring Lon Chaney is responsible for most of the modern werewolf tropes like silver bullets, going after loved ones and being bitten by a werewolf makes you one. Most folk stories don’t mention any of these as they were created by the movie’s writers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What facts do you know about certain horror movies that not many know about?
I have a couple about the classic werewolf movie An American Werewolf in London.
The five pointed star which is known as a pentagram or pentacle has been known to have been used to ward off evil spirits so it makes sense that it would be used in The Slaughtered Lamb to keep the werewolf out.
The full moon occurs two nights in a row in the movie when David transforms which does actually occur. Those full moons are actually known as Blue Moons which makes sense with the songs of the same name and you can see a hint of blue in one of the shots of the moon."
My most favourite movie ever!!
Also. I believe most of the movie was shot in the same running order as the script, rare |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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My most favourite movie ever!!
Also. I believe most of the movie was shot in the same running order as the script, rare "
It’s a classic, that’s for sure.
And Jenny Agutter….or should I say Jenny Shagutter! Phwoar! |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"The initial final script of alien had the landing team find the space jockey alien had scratched a triangular symbol on his dash board. This leaves them baffled until the storm clears revealing a huge alien pyramid that dwarfs the spaceship. The pyramid is a temple dedicated to the worship of the aliens and before Kane is implanted they find a complex engraving of the alien’s life cycle."
The original script had the Xenomorph being a feral bloodthirsty monster for only the start of its life cycle, eventually the species would mature in to a mild and intelligent creature capable of art and architecture living a full scholarly life for 200 years - probably the space jocky/giants we know of today being their final form.
The pyramid was replaced with the derelict space jockey ship in a script change due to both a lack of screen time to explain the origins and lack of money to visualise on screen. The purpose of the pyramid was solely used for the procreation process of the species.
The pyramid concept was later revived and used in the first Alien vs Predator movie as part of a coming of age ritual/trial for the Predator species to produce the Aliens as dangerous prey/opponent. |
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In addition to the comment about Rik Mayall. John Landis has stated if he had known Rik was more well known in the uk as he initially thought, a bigger part would have been given.
The Alien book written by Alan Dean Foster has a a lot of different dialog to the film. Also a few scenes are either different to the film or extra (even comparted to the extended film). |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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"In addition to the comment about Rik Mayall. John Landis has stated if he had known Rik was more well known in the uk as he initially thought, a bigger part would have been given.
The Alien book written by Alan Dean Foster has a a lot of different dialog to the film. Also a few scenes are either different to the film or extra (even comparted to the extended film)."
The novel I believe was based around the original script that had these scenes still in it. They were cut from the movie due to budget/pacing issues. |
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"The Shining is famous for the huge amount of takes used by Stanley Kubrick, including one scene with 148 takes and another with 127."
The bar scene (see below for a reminder) was filmed at the iconically named Stanley hotel in Estes Park, Colorado.
Unsurprisingly, the hotel has cashed in on the connection to the film not least in the bar prices.
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+shining+bar+scene&oq=The+Shining+bar+scene&aqs=chrome.0.0i512l7j0i22i30l3.4899j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
For decent Mexican food in Estes Park, head down the road from The Stanley to Ed's Cantina and Grill. |
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Another for The Shining. In the scene where Jack Nicholson breaks the door down with an axe a prop door was originally used. Jack Nicholson broke the door down far too easily so a real door had to be used. |
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Here’s a funny story as related by Joe Pilato from the set of George Romero’s classic, Day Of The Dead.
Pilato’s villainous character gets ripped in half in the finale as the zombies chomp merrily on his innards.
Apparently the ‘guts’ were a mixture of fake organs and real meat all lovingly mixed in a sea of fake blood.
Unfortunately, the fridge in which the meat was stored ceased to work prior to the scene’s filming however and the meat subsequently went off(!)
It was still nonetheless used in the scene as planned and the actor was forced to wear nasal plugs to combat the resulting vile stench which he said he could nonetheless STILL smell for days in his nostrils afterwards. |
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Here’s another funny one:
The always superb Tony Todd managed to negotiate a $1,000 bonus payment for every time he got stung during the bee scenes he appeared in, in Candyman.
As it turned out, he did rather well from this scheme alone, as he was stung 23 times. |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Here’s another funny one:
The always superb Tony Todd managed to negotiate a $1,000 bonus payment for every time he got stung during the bee scenes he appeared in, in Candyman.
As it turned out, he did rather well from this scheme alone, as he was stung 23 times."
Yes x |
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Actor William Holden was originally offered the role eventually given to Gregory Peck in the original, The Omen.
Ostensibly, Holden initially turned it down after reading the script which he felt, conflicted with his Christian beliefs.
However, after the commercial success of the first film, Holden seemed more than happy to put his beliefs to one side and starred in the sequel(!)
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Actor William Holden was originally offered the role eventually given to Gregory Peck in the original, The Omen.
Ostensibly, Holden initially turned it down after reading the script which he felt, conflicted with his Christian beliefs.
However, after the commercial success of the first film, Holden seemed more than happy to put his beliefs to one side and starred in the sequel(!)
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"Actor William Holden was originally offered the role eventually given to Gregory Peck in the original, The Omen.
Ostensibly, Holden initially turned it down after reading the script which he felt, conflicted with his Christian beliefs.
However, after the commercial success of the first film, Holden seemed more than happy to put his beliefs to one side and starred in the sequel(!)
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Actually, another interesting fact regarding the film; The wondrously ominous main score by the late, great Jerry Goldsmith is entitled, ‘Ave Satani’. This is apparently a deliberate misspelling of the correct Latin, ‘Ave Satanas’ (‘Hail Satan’).
It has been rumoured (but never to the best of my knowledge, officially confirmed) that Goldsmith actuated this slight lyrical amendment in order to avert the invocation of any unwanted ‘dark powers’ during its performance. |
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The famous “here’s Johnny “ scene from the shining was ad-libbed by Jack Nicholson, and almost didn’t make it into the film! 60 doors were axed until he got the right size hole to put his face through Miss Pc |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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"Alien again! One scene shows the Nostromo entering the planets orbit as a monitor computer animation. To the right is a picture of Jonesy the cat as a kitten."
Even more Alien. To add to the sense of scale some of the scenes on what turned out to be LV-426 were filmed with child actors in the space suits. |
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Everyone remembers Bela Lugosi’s iconic portrayal of the eponymous Count Dracula in director Tod Brownings 1931 classic.
What many are unaware of however, is that after each days shoot, another director, namely George Medford was filming a Spanish Language facsimile of the film with a Spanish cast and utilising the same sets.
In this version, Count Dracula, or Conde Dracula as it translates, was played by Carlos Villarias who, according to many who have seen it (I sadly have not) was even better than Lugosi.
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"Everyone remembers Bela Lugosi’s iconic portrayal of the eponymous Count Dracula in director Tod Brownings 1931 classic.
What many are unaware of however, is that after each days shoot, another director, namely George Medford was filming a Spanish Language facsimile of the film with a Spanish cast and utilising the same sets.
In this version, Count Dracula, or Conde Dracula as it translates, was played by Carlos Villarias who, according to many who have seen it (I sadly have not) was even better than Lugosi.
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*George Melford in fact |
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"Everyone remembers Bela Lugosi’s iconic portrayal of the eponymous Count Dracula in director Tod Brownings 1931 classic.
What many are unaware of however, is that after each days shoot, another director, namely George Medford was filming a Spanish Language facsimile of the film with a Spanish cast and utilising the same sets.
In this version, Count Dracula, or Conde Dracula as it translates, was played by Carlos Villarias who, according to many who have seen it (I sadly have not) was even better than Lugosi.
*George and Mildred in fact " x |
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"Everyone remembers Bela Lugosi’s iconic portrayal of the eponymous Count Dracula in director Tod Brownings 1931 classic.
What many are unaware of however, is that after each days shoot, another director, namely George Medford was filming a Spanish Language facsimile of the film with a Spanish cast and utilising the same sets.
In this version, Count Dracula, or Conde Dracula as it translates, was played by Carlos Villarias who, according to many who have seen it (I sadly have not) was even better than Lugosi.
*George and Mildred in fact x"
I’m now experiencing visions of George about to take a bite out of a young victim before Mildred abruptly interrupts matters, shouting out, ‘Geoooorge! ! Have you put the bins out?!’ |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Everyone remembers Bela Lugosi’s iconic portrayal of the eponymous Count Dracula in director Tod Brownings 1931 classic.
What many are unaware of however, is that after each days shoot, another director, namely George Medford was filming a Spanish Language facsimile of the film with a Spanish cast and utilising the same sets.
In this version, Count Dracula, or Conde Dracula as it translates, was played by Carlos Villarias who, according to many who have seen it (I sadly have not) was even better than Lugosi.
*George and Mildred in fact x
I’m now experiencing visions of George about to take a bite out of a young victim before Mildred abruptly interrupts matters, shouting out, ‘Geoooorge! ! Have you put the bins out?!’ "
Ha yootha
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"Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" in the Shining was ad libbed
I never understood why he said Johnny. Maybe it's a reference to Johnny Carson?
Exactly that. That was how Johnny Carson was introduced on his show
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"Jack" Torrence was probably Jonathan Torrence anyway. |
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