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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I noticed a post on my LinkedIn recently around the use of the term "guys" when addressing groups of people of mixed genders at work. Apparently this is becoming sexist and outdated, and we should look to move towards more gender neutral terms like "everyone/folks/all".
I've also noticed it when messaging in group chats on Slack (if anyone isn't aware it's a messaging service used in many workplaces). If I send something out with "hey guys" it'll give me the option to switch to a more gender neutral term before sending out to the group.
Personally, I don't find "guys" offensive at all. I wouldn't be offended if someone used it to address me in a group setting, and it's an engrained manner of speech that I've been using for years to address groups myself.
However, I can recognise that people have differing views on sensitive topics like these and would make an effort to stop if someone asked me to for legitimate reasons. Would be interesting to know what people think? Do you find it offensive? |
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We don't find it offensive but it isn't a term we like or use. If someone messages us calling us guys we remind them that one of us is a woman. It's also a good indicator that they haven't read our profile. |
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Kind of similar to you, it doesn't bother me and I often find myself doing it myself (probably a regional thing) but I would understand why it may bother some and I'd apologise if I inadvertently upset someone when using it. |
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By *rad670Man
over a year ago
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It's how I address couples when messaging and groups of mixed genders to include all as an equal or so I thought. I won't be swayed to stop using it, we will be so confused soon to know what we can and can't say without fear of causing offence we will just avoid talking to people at all. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's how I address couples when messaging and groups of mixed genders to include all as an equal or so I thought. I won't be swayed to stop using it, we will be so confused soon to know what we can and can't say without fear of causing offence we will just avoid talking to people at all."
To be fair I already avoid talking to people wherever possible  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Kind of similar to you, it doesn't bother me and I often find myself doing it myself (probably a regional thing) but I would understand why it may bother some and I'd apologise if I inadvertently upset someone when using it. "
Exactly how I feel  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I try to avoid it nowadays but used to use it. I think I use folks (mainly when addressing my students). I could use "oi you little oiks" but someone showed me the staff handbook  "
Ahaha I'm sure you can find a loophole somewhere |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No issue with me at all.
I'd also have no issue with "hi cunts" either tho, I'd think "they know me so well!""
Fair enough! My work might not like it though  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We don't find it offensive but it isn't a term we like or use. If someone messages us calling us guys we remind them that one of us is a woman. It's also a good indicator that they haven't read our profile. "
Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don’t find the term offensive at all, it’s just a collective word, has two meanings I suppose; guys - collective and guy - a male. That said I don’t often use the term myself "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't find it offensive, I use it myself, but the correction is worthwhile to me - I don't want to upset people. It's not a switch I'd find onerous."
It wouldn't be a big deal but I feel like it's a hard one to stop from slipping out. I'm trying to get myself to stop using filler words like "like, basically, literally" etc and it's so much harder than people realise!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I use this more often that I realise
Although I noticed I mostly use it on group calls though and when writing an email out I use "Hi All". Maybe something of me to be mindful of in future. |
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"We don't find it offensive but it isn't a term we like or use. If someone messages us calling us guys we remind them that one of us is a woman. It's also a good indicator that they haven't read our profile.
Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting. "
This can easily happen as language evolves. |
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"I don't find it offensive, I use it myself, but the correction is worthwhile to me - I don't want to upset people. It's not a switch I'd find onerous.
It wouldn't be a big deal but I feel like it's a hard one to stop from slipping out. I'm trying to get myself to stop using filler words like "like, basically, literally" etc and it's so much harder than people realise!! "
Definitely. I've not yet had reason to make the change - I'm aware of it, but it doesn't seem to come up frequently enough.
Those changes can be a bit of a challenge to make, though. Been there, probably will be again |
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I dislike how "guys" has become a collective term for "people".
I'm currently trying to replace it with "cats" because its gender neutral , has a kinda 1920s jazz vibe about it and... Cats are cool !!!
Why don't you cats join me.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I dislike how "guys" has become a collective term for "people".
I'm currently trying to replace it with "cats" because its gender neutral , has a kinda 1920s jazz vibe about it and... Cats are cool !!!
Why don't you cats join me.
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What's up all you cool cats and kittens? |
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I actively avoid using it, in order not to mis-gender someone accidentally. I just use "Hey people" or "Hey everyone".
I sometimes use "Hey folx" if I'm mixing with certain friends, who know I mean it with an "x" at the end. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Depends on my mood. Hard hitting then it's "guys!" Softer less urgent then it's "ladies" or if a mixed gender team "everyone" known to use "you lot" and "Avengers assemble" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not really about offence, it's just people trying to make spaces more explicitly inclusive. While many women are fine with it, many are always going to see "guys" as "the men in the group".
There's also the implication of being "one of the guys", with all the baggage that carries. |
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"I noticed a post on my LinkedIn recently around the use of the term "guys" when addressing groups of people of mixed genders at work. Apparently this is becoming sexist and outdated, and we should look to move towards more gender neutral terms like "everyone/folks/all".
I've also noticed it when messaging in group chats on Slack (if anyone isn't aware it's a messaging service used in many workplaces). If I send something out with "hey guys" it'll give me the option to switch to a more gender neutral term before sending out to the group.
Personally, I don't find "guys" offensive at all. I wouldn't be offended if someone used it to address me in a group setting, and it's an engrained manner of speech that I've been using for years to address groups myself.
However, I can recognise that people have differing views on sensitive topics like these and would make an effort to stop if someone asked me to for legitimate reasons. Would be interesting to know what people think? Do you find it offensive? "
No , but I'm aware people are offended by air or a shadow these days |
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"I noticed a post on my LinkedIn recently around the use of the term "guys" when addressing groups of people of mixed genders at work. Apparently this is becoming sexist and outdated, and we should look to move towards more gender neutral terms like "everyone/folks/all".
I've also noticed it when messaging in group chats on Slack (if anyone isn't aware it's a messaging service used in many workplaces). If I send something out with "hey guys" it'll give me the option to switch to a more gender neutral term before sending out to the group.
Personally, I don't find "guys" offensive at all. I wouldn't be offended if someone used it to address me in a group setting, and it's an engrained manner of speech that I've been using for years to address groups myself.
However, I can recognise that people have differing views on sensitive topics like these and would make an effort to stop if someone asked me to for legitimate reasons. Would be interesting to know what people think? Do you find it offensive?
No , but I'm aware people are offended by air or a shadow these days "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How did guy become a word for man in the first place?"
"Guy" originally described "men of the lowest and most depraved kind". You were basically calling someone Guy Fawkes.
Over time the British working class just started calling their mates "men of the lowest and depraved kind" because of course we fucking did.
Then it became gentrified. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never felt comfortable addressing a woman as guy and when I have found myself doing it I feel uncomfortable because to my way of thinking they are not guys.
So I find myself hesitating mid-sentence and calling them all people.
"People"
But I like Mrs Dreavus
"Avengers Assemble" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've always thought people who say guys to be a bit poncy anyway.
Except Sloth; he's a legend.
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In my Television influenced days guys was often used in US TV programmes shown here.
It's one of those words I don't use often but somehow slips in occasionally when doing sports for some reason.
"It's second and ten on the 40yard line and a flag has gone into the play!" |
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It's not offensive imo at all but it's also definitely not gender neutral.
A guy is a man and guys is a group of men.
If you tell someone that you fucked lots of guys their mind will go straight to men. They'll never think of women.
So although including women and enbies may be your intention they are excluded by the very definition of the word.
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"It's not really about offence, it's just people trying to make spaces more explicitly inclusive. While many women are fine with it, many are always going to see "guys" as "the men in the group".
There's also the implication of being "one of the guys", with all the baggage that carries."
Exactly this. It's about inclusivity.
It's needlessly gendered, so let's bin it off. We already have plenty of more suitable words: "All", "everybody", "everyone".
All the people rattling on about how everyone is so easily offended these days is falling for manufactured right-wing culture war bollocks. Come on, be better than that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not remotely offensive imo. It's universally understood as an inclusive term used to refer to everyone in a group when saying hello.
I've probably began to limit my use of it in this sense, purely because I can't be bothered having to explain myself and deal with folk who have the luxury of having nothing else to be offended about than this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's not really about offence, it's just people trying to make spaces more explicitly inclusive. While many women are fine with it, many are always going to see "guys" as "the men in the group".
There's also the implication of being "one of the guys", with all the baggage that carries.
Exactly this. It's about inclusivity.
It's needlessly gendered, so let's bin it off. We already have plenty of more suitable words: "All", "everybody", "everyone".
All the people rattling on about how everyone is so easily offended these days is falling for manufactured right-wing culture war bollocks. Come on, be better than that. "
Love this! |
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"I noticed a post on my LinkedIn recently around the use of the term "guys" when addressing groups of people of mixed genders at work. Apparently this is becoming sexist and outdated, and we should look to move towards more gender neutral terms like "everyone/folks/all".
I've also noticed it when messaging in group chats on Slack (if anyone isn't aware it's a messaging service used in many workplaces). If I send something out with "hey guys" it'll give me the option to switch to a more gender neutral term before sending out to the group.
Personally, I don't find "guys" offensive at all. I wouldn't be offended if someone used it to address me in a group setting, and it's an engrained manner of speech that I've been using for years to address groups myself.
However, I can recognise that people have differing views on sensitive topics like these and would make an effort to stop if someone asked me to for legitimate reasons. Would be interesting to know what people think? Do you find it offensive? "
I dont find it offensive, but it makes me feel uncomfortable and cringe, I don't like the term guys at all and its unlikely that I would respond if being addressed this way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm not offended as such but do feel it's a reference to Males and find it odd to be addressed that way. Wouldnt be taken well using gals to address a mixed gender group. |
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Ugh really? Definitely not offensive, used to address any gender usually in groups of two or more, and everyone knows that but no doubt someone somewhere will find it "offensive" and no doubt they will kick up a fuss and force the rest of us to play along and call out anyone who dares question them or their logic branding them as an ignorant bigot, usually the same people who prefer to go by the pronouns they or them or ze or xem or verself or zim or any other made up nonsense word. If it wasn't this then it would just be something else equally ridiculous. Who was it who said "to what degree am I expected to partake in your own self esteem?" But nevermind I'll play along if it'll make them feel better, I don't want to be that one guy holding back the rest of humanity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've always thought people who say guys to be a bit poncy anyway.
Except Sloth; he's a legend.
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I think that's the only time I use it, taking the mick with a sloth voice.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's not offensive imo at all but it's also definitely not gender neutral.
A guy is a man and guys is a group of men.
If you tell someone that you fucked lots of guys their mind will go straight to men. They'll never think of women.
So although including women and enbies may be your intention they are excluded by the very definition of the word.
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Yes your last sentence is the one that resonates with me.. Unc*nscious exclusion. I think i will try harder to stop using it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's a fair assessment.
Generally alot of speech is masculine.
The more we break down This, the more inclusive and equal society will be.
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This is an excellent point |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Depends on who is saying it and how.
Sometimes it can be meant in a general crowd way and is fine. Other times it's meant to address the men and exclude the women.
Anything can seem dodgy when spoken by the wrong person.
"What are you wearing?" can be creepy as hell said by a stranger online. Said by a friend discussing a night out is very different. |
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I only use the word to refer to men but I've seen it used on various training courses to cover everyone in the room.
The only part I found odd was that the speaker either started or finished every second sentence with it.
That in itself became a topic of conversation over lunch and even prior to the next training day we were talking bets on how many times he could say it during a 7 hr course.
One person at the back was the "guys" stenographer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fk em. If they get offended by something that trivial show them the door.
Yes haha "
Offence is always taken but let’s hope they leave it where it is and exit through the gate.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We don't find it offensive but it isn't a term we like or use. If someone messages us calling us guys we remind them that one of us is a woman. It's also a good indicator that they haven't read our profile.
Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting. "
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x "
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place. |
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Hasn’t the term ‘guys’ changed over the years to actually mean a group?
So if there’s a mix of people in a group, and someone says ‘right then guys’ you’re gonna actually make a stand and say ‘that doesn’t include me!’ What a load of rubbish!
Sorry, but how the hell is it offensive?
I could understand it if a a group is addressed as lads, boys, or fellas, but guys is generally used to address a group these days!
I’d be put off by someone or a couple if they picked up on the fact I’ve said guys.
My opinion, but there’s way too many snowflakes about….and no doubt someone will get offended by the term ‘snowflake’
Give me strength!
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By *yron69Man
over a year ago
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What isn’t offensive in the workplace except bullshit management speak?
Where I used to work had as many disabled loos as abled and a room of contemplation mainly for Muslims. None were ever seen using it.
Then they liked to have halal meat on the menu dispute an overwhelming non religious staff.
Not working I can be as offensive as I want in my own home which is some compensation for being unemployed I guess? |
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"Ugh really? Definitely not offensive, used to address any gender usually in groups of two or more, and everyone knows that but no doubt someone somewhere will find it "offensive" and no doubt they will kick up a fuss and force the rest of us to play along and call out anyone who dares question them or their logic branding them as an ignorant bigot, usually the same people who prefer to go by the pronouns they or them or ze or xem or verself or zim or any other made up nonsense word. If it wasn't this then it would just be something else equally ridiculous. Who was it who said "to what degree am I expected to partake in your own self esteem?" But nevermind I'll play along if it'll make them feel better, I don't want to be that one guy holding back the rest of humanity."
If it is so gender neutral, why not put "I like having sex with guys. message me!" on your profile and see how many of the ladies on here think that it includes them? Lol
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve called men honey bunch and women dude before. Hell I even accidentally called a woman sir when she was putting my plate on the table. If someone is offended easily enough that a jokey term or an accidental misuse of pronouns hurts their feelings then I don’t want to know them |
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place."
That's a good point.
It started out as "political correctness gone mad" as a term to describe when the already entitled felt their ability to be absolved from any responsibility for what they said was under threat, but gradually just the term political correctness has become tainted. |
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place.
That's a good point.
It started out as "political correctness gone mad" as a term to describe when the already entitled felt their ability to be absolved from any responsibility for what they said was under threat, but gradually just the term political correctness has become tainted. "
But at the same time, I think we can agree that it’s not all good.
Health and safety at work is a “good” thing. But we all know example when it’s gone too far and becomes a problem.
I think PC culture is the same.
I think it’s open to being weaponised and used in the wrong way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The OP's post specifically talks about the use of the word when addressing a room full of people, as an informal way of saying hello and a friendly greeting. So it's all about context. Those commenting on the use of the word "guys" in any other context (such as referring to sexual partners) have missed the point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I am a minority myself and support an equal society, it seems to have all gone a bit too far the last few years. Anything and everything is under attack and scrutiny, people feel they cannot breath or blink without someone getting offended. It seems almost like the left itself has become fascist. An equal society is won through hearts and minds, the latest militant and excessive PC approach has caused more harm than good, especially with the ‘silent majority’. A pressure cooker may explode one day, just saying |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place.
That's a good point.
It started out as "political correctness gone mad" as a term to describe when the already entitled felt their ability to be absolved from any responsibility for what they said was under threat, but gradually just the term political correctness has become tainted.
But at the same time, I think we can agree that it’s not all good.
Health and safety at work is a “good” thing. But we all know example when it’s gone too far and becomes a problem.
I think PC culture is the same.
I think it’s open to being weaponised and used in the wrong way. "
Mostly it’s the frustrated , middle class academic left. They can’t get into power politically anymore but they feel a duty to control culture and language through the large media and public institutions like bbc, universities etc. University used to be a place of debate and critical thinking but there’s none of that anymore |
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place.
That's a good point.
It started out as "political correctness gone mad" as a term to describe when the already entitled felt their ability to be absolved from any responsibility for what they said was under threat, but gradually just the term political correctness has become tainted.
But at the same time, I think we can agree that it’s not all good.
Health and safety at work is a “good” thing. But we all know example when it’s gone too far and becomes a problem.
I think PC culture is the same.
I think it’s open to being weaponised and used in the wrong way. "
Absolutely. In certain circumstances it's forcing people to self-censor. |
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"Ugh really? Definitely not offensive, used to address any gender usually in groups of two or more, and everyone knows that but no doubt someone somewhere will find it "offensive" and no doubt they will kick up a fuss and force the rest of us to play along and call out anyone who dares question them or their logic branding them as an ignorant bigot, usually the same people who prefer to go by the pronouns they or them or ze or xem or verself or zim or any other made up nonsense word. If it wasn't this then it would just be something else equally ridiculous. Who was it who said "to what degree am I expected to partake in your own self esteem?" But nevermind I'll play along if it'll make them feel better, I don't want to be that one guy holding back the rest of humanity.
If it is so gender neutral, why not put "I like having sex with guys. message me!" on your profile and see how many of the ladies on here think that it includes them? Lol
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"Interesting point. I think for me I've just subconsciously removed all male connotation from the word when used in a group setting.
I think I would stop listening in a group, guys/ mate or any other masculine term is obviously not aimed at me so I don’t use it or answer to it. I’m in no way offended but it’s definitely not a way to address a lady. I truly love being female and like to be acknowledged accordingly. Nothing to do with P.C. or control of speech just personal preference x
Interesting you say this because this is exactly what political correctness is. Political correctness is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society (in this case, anyone that isn't a man - women, non-binary people etc).
Political correctness is a good thing; it's crazy that we've just sort-of accepted that it's not, and mock people that try to make the world a better place.
That's a good point.
It started out as "political correctness gone mad" as a term to describe when the already entitled felt their ability to be absolved from any responsibility for what they said was under threat, but gradually just the term political correctness has become tainted.
But at the same time, I think we can agree that it’s not all good.
Health and safety at work is a “good” thing. But we all know example when it’s gone too far and becomes a problem.
I think PC culture is the same.
I think it’s open to being weaponised and used in the wrong way.
Absolutely. In certain circumstances it's forcing people to self-censor."
It’s not just self censor, but it’s feinting offence to gain leverage.
It’s pushing for the maximum punishment for honest mistakes
For example, maybe you go directly to HR and lodge a formal complaint as a colleague has excluded you based on your gender from your position in the company.
On paper that sounds terrible. That’s an instant dismissal right? We can’t have sexism in this company.
In reality he just said “hey guys” and instead of politely correcting an honest mistake she chose to go for the head because she doesn’t like him.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Is it adding unnecessary words?
If you start a message with Hello, or Hi, why do you need to add anything else?
Other examples: Starting a sentence with So, no need for it to be there.
No need for the word "just" in any communication it is a word that adds nothing and can be removed without altering any meaning. |
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If it’s an official email and formal in manner I use ‘Yo Bitcheeeeesssss!!’ As it’s commonly gender neutral and inclusive of non binary units! Not going to say people as it may be they find that limiting and compartmentalising as a species definition. If it’s an informal email then ‘ bunch of fuckups!’ Is the preferred option - again non gender specific and inclusive. I bet i have surprised some of you with ho woke I am haven’t I? |
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"For example, maybe you go directly to HR and lodge a formal complaint as a colleague has excluded you based on your gender from your position in the company.
On paper that sounds terrible. That’s an instant dismissal right? We can’t have sexism in this company.
In reality he just said “hey guys” and instead of politely correcting an honest mistake she chose to go for the head because she doesn’t like him."
I've had people whine at me that this happened to them, and then on digging further it always turns out they aren't telling the whole story. So many conversations that start with "so I was fired for simply having an opinion/saying the wrong thing" end with "and that's why sl*very wasn't actually all that bad"  (and yes, it's often that specific point they coalesce upon).
Nobody is getting fired for saying "you guys", with maybe some notable exceptions from badly run companies. In fact, the opposite is true: it's ridiculously hard to get someone fired from most companies even if they make quite explicitly misogynistic comments, so long as they're not also shit at their job. |
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"It's not offensive imo at all but it's also definitely not gender neutral.
A guy is a man and guys is a group of men.
If you tell someone that you fucked lots of guys their mind will go straight to men. They'll never think of women.
So although including women and enbies may be your intention they are excluded by the very definition of the word.
Yes your last sentence is the one that resonates with me.. Unc*nscious exclusion. I think i will try harder to stop using it"
Exactly. Your intentions can be good but that doesn't mean you're not causing discomfort. |
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"I dislike how "guys" has become a collective term for "people".
I'm currently trying to replace it with "cats" because its gender neutral , has a kinda 1920s jazz vibe about it and... Cats are cool !!!
Why don't you cats join me.
What's up all you cool cats and kittens? "
See !!!! It's perfect !!!
Stay cool cats.
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By *bostCouple
over a year ago
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It’s a phrase that I (Mr) have used for years to mean mixed groups but I suppose it is just another term that is now outdated as there is an inferred sexism within its use. I try my best to use ‘folks’ now as a catch-all. |
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Just imagine if we'd had this conversation 40 years ago.
The Goonies would never have been the same if Sloth had careered down that ship's sail shouting "hey you group of mixed gendered folk!"
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"It's not really about offence, it's just people trying to make spaces more explicitly inclusive. While many women are fine with it, many are always going to see "guys" as "the men in the group".
There's also the implication of being "one of the guys", with all the baggage that carries.
Exactly this. It's about inclusivity.
It's needlessly gendered, so let's bin it off. We already have plenty of more suitable words: "All", "everybody", "everyone".
All the people rattling on about how everyone is so easily offended these days is falling for manufactured right-wing culture war bollocks. Come on, be better than that.
Love this!"
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"It's not offensive imo at all but it's also definitely not gender neutral.
A guy is a man and guys is a group of men.
If you tell someone that you fucked lots of guys their mind will go straight to men. They'll never think of women.
So although including women and enbies may be your intention they are excluded by the very definition of the word.
Yes your last sentence is the one that resonates with me.. Unc*nscious exclusion. I think i will try harder to stop using it
Exactly. Your intentions can be good but that doesn't mean you're not causing discomfort. "
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I’ll use that phrase if sending messages, never really considered it would or could be found offensive but I’ll find a more appropriate word in future. I will say though people do get easily offended in today’s world which I find hard to understand but then perhaps I’m just getting older and out of touch.. |
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I think some words just evolve beyond their original meaning. My pre school kids say this when they want to get a group involved. "Hey guys" is used as a group greeting or "come on guys let's go" to iniate play. I say "oh man" "oh lord" "oh my god" etc. Its not a big deal until people make it one |
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I think this is interesting and I don't find the term 'guys' offensive at all. At the same time there are a minority of people who find colloquial terms such as 'mate' 'pal' 'love' offensive, as I find the terms to be informal terms of endearment. |
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I think most women on my team have used it to address the whole. I normally use folks or team. No one seems to bother. But if someone feels exluded then thats not cool either.
But is the word 'Guys' one of those thats just changing over the years like 'gay'?
Using the 'P' word for our bro's and sis' from Pakistan is horrible but in the beginning was it just used as an easier word? I guess it's how it's been used over the years and the accompanying violence with it that makes it a really bad word.
I'm flumoxed with this question. Intention and context comes into it I suppose.
Maybe in day to day circumstances we should just be open with each other and give each other a break. Tell someone if something offends you but don't take it as an afront if the intention wasn't bad, but then if someone does tell you then take their feelings into account and don't just dismiss it as 'PC Bollocks' |
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"I think this is interesting and I don't find the term 'guys' offensive at all. At the same time there are a minority of people who find colloquial terms such as 'mate' 'pal' 'love' offensive, as I find the terms to be informal terms of endearment."
I used to work in a supermarket and a chap was very vocal about how he didn't like the word 'Bud' I was always polite and friendly but he really had a go. So I said 'ok fair enough man, I getcha. Now here's your change you cunt' |
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""Guys n Gals" maybe. But probably ageist."
Guys & Dolls?
And if anyone says anything, claim you are being oppressed for being a fan of musical theatre.
I'm not saying that liking musical theatre is a homosexual trait, but it is a stereotype, and will confuse the issue.
Gender neutral groupings? Depends on the situation.
Folks, gang, troops, y'all, everyone, team |
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"I noticed a post on my LinkedIn recently around the use of the term "guys" when addressing groups of people of mixed genders at work. Apparently this is becoming sexist and outdated, and we should look to move towards more gender neutral terms like "everyone/folks/all".
I've also noticed it when messaging in group chats on Slack (if anyone isn't aware it's a messaging service used in many workplaces). If I send something out with "hey guys" it'll give me the option to switch to a more gender neutral term before sending out to the group.
Personally, I don't find "guys" offensive at all. I wouldn't be offended if someone used it to address me in a group setting, and it's an engrained manner of speech that I've been using for years to address groups myself.
However, I can recognise that people have differing views on sensitive topics like these and would make an effort to stop if someone asked me to for legitimate reasons. Would be interesting to know what people think? Do you find it offensive? "
Well personally l would've always associated the term " guys " with male's ..and the term " Dolls " with ladies but nowadays people do use the term " guys " to groups with both male & female in it , but l just say hello everyone if both sex's involved in group...but please note ..l would never address a group of ladies as " hello Doll's "...it would of course be " hello ladies ". |
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By *mma29Couple
over a year ago
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I've woken up today and realized most words offended me.
And if someone says something I dont like or agree with, I fall to the floor and cry for an hour.
So to help me not be offended and be happy all the time, can everyone stop using words please.
Just use emojis or numbers to communicate from now on.
I know your all a kind understanding bunch on here so thanks in advance guys. |
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"Just imagine if we'd had this conversation 40 years ago.
The Goonies would never have been the same if Sloth had careered down that ship's sail shouting "hey you group of mixed gendered folk!"
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I think the main takeaway from this is that we should all Be More Sloth. |
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I'm one of these people who get offended by people with pics of their dicks and asses on their profiles, don't even get me started on titty pics it triggers my anxiety so if everyone could please stop this behaviour it would be much appreciated. I shouldn't have to remove myself from fab so it's everyone else's job to cater to my demand |
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I don't tend to say "hi guys", but I have noticed myself in meetings saying things like "guys we're getting off topic" or "any questions guys?".
As far as I know nobody has taken offence, but it's one I'll pay more attention to in future as it feels as though it should be easy to substitute team or folks or everyone instead once I get into the habit of it. |
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"Imagine being offended by the word "guys"...Jesus what the fuck has this world come to
I agree. Although it’s not a word I really use. "
I'm going to use it more than I ever would now..what do you guys think?
Love some feedback guys |
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"Imagine being offended by the word "guys"...Jesus what the fuck has this world come to
I agree. Although it’s not a word I really use.
I'm going to use it more than I ever would now..what do you guys think?
Love some feedback guys"
I think that would be obnoxious if you did |
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"Imagine being offended by the word "guys"...Jesus what the fuck has this world come to
I agree. Although it’s not a word I really use.
I'm going to use it more than I ever would now..what do you guys think?
Love some feedback guys
I think that would be obnoxious if you did "
Please explain why?
I'd love to tell all the guys I know |
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I'm just so sick and tired of feeling like I have to monitor and edit what I say in case it offends someone and it often still does anyway! I also hate it when I notice people around me unsure of pronouns or 'correct' trans terms to use. Let's just chill the fuck out!
Have we forgotten how to use our basic intuition? I'm not offended unless your intention is to offend me.
Back to topic, the word 'guys' is used to mean a group of people of mixed/any gender. It's an all exclusive word and anyone that thinks it's gender biased is being over sensitive imo. Let's just say what we like and stop this culture of everyone getting offended and pc about everything, it's so lame and formal and seperatist! |
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I'm actually terrible for saying guys. I'd definitely avoid using it around groups of people I don't know well. I will actually try to make an effort to stop as I can see why some could get upset, but I imagine it will slip out occasionally and all I can do is apologise if I offend someone. |
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"I'm just so sick and tired of feeling like I have to monitor and edit what I say in case it offends someone and it often still does anyway! I also hate it when I notice people around me unsure of pronouns or 'correct' trans terms to use. Let's just chill the fuck out!
Have we forgotten how to use our basic intuition? I'm not offended unless your intention is to offend me.
Back to topic, the word 'guys' is used to mean a group of people of mixed/any gender. It's an all exclusive word and anyone that thinks it's gender biased is being over sensitive imo. Let's just say what we like and stop this culture of everyone getting offended and pc about everything, it's so lame and formal and seperatist! "
I love that sentence! “I’m not offended unless your intention is to offend me”
People should take notice of that! Plenty of time someone will post something on the forums and it’s quite obvious they perhaps badly worded something or what they say is misinterpreted and it’s the same old vultures waiting to jump on them. Every single time. |
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I honestly wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone said 'guys'
Always baffles me how anyone can actually be bothered to be offended about anything and everything. Im all for standing up for what you believe in but when it's every little thing. Take a break! |
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"No issue with me at all.
I'd also have no issue with "hi cunts" either tho, I'd think "they know me so well!""
Where I come from “cunt” is a term of endearment, as is bawbag
Not sure what I should use these days |
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Don't really see that many people crying they are offended, I'm certainly not offended as mentioned. I simply find it odd people use guys towards women cause to me a guy is a man. I see more pseudo offence taken by those claiming pc has gone too far tbh.
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"I'm just so sick and tired of feeling like I have to monitor and edit what I say in case it offends someone and it often still does anyway! I also hate it when I notice people around me unsure of pronouns or 'correct' trans terms to use. Let's just chill the fuck out!
Have we forgotten how to use our basic intuition? I'm not offended unless your intention is to offend me.
Back to topic, the word 'guys' is used to mean a group of people of mixed/any gender. It's an all exclusive word and anyone that thinks it's gender biased is being over sensitive imo. Let's just say what we like and stop this culture of everyone getting offended and pc about everything, it's so lame and formal and seperatist!
I love that sentence! “I’m not offended unless your intention is to offend me”
People should take notice of that! Plenty of time someone will post something on the forums and it’s quite obvious they perhaps badly worded something or what they say is misinterpreted and it’s the same old vultures waiting to jump on them. Every single time. "
Yes there are vultures ready to pounce or whatever it is vultures do. Do they 'vultch'
No matter. Tom is vultched most days. His only crime. Trying to entertain |
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over a year ago
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I don't find it offensive but I hardly ever use it, unless in a jokey way. In a professional setting it feels too casual to me. 'Folks' seems American or maybe 1950s. Not really what I tend to hear every day. My boss usually says 'chaps'.
But then English isn't my first language and the equivalent in my native language is gender neutral. |
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"Imagine being offended by the word "guys"...Jesus what the fuck has this world come to
I agree. Although it’s not a word I really use.
I'm going to use it more than I ever would now..what do you guys think?
Love some feedback guys
I think that would be obnoxious if you did "
She wasn't talking to you...
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A lot of times your opinion on this type of thing comes down to your age and how woke you are. I (Dave) Male 43 have no problem with it. In the 00s I went to the USA a lot, while there I questioned someones use of "you guys" when referring to a mixed gender group and was told 'guys' is fine to be used in that way. Like a lot of words its and americanism so I'm gonna stick to the meaning I was giving in the USA.
Roxy's (Female 35) says that if somebody took offence to it and told me that I would make a conscious effort to change my use of 'guys' around them but change my use of it because in theory someone could be offended by it. |
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I worked with a woman that use to use the term ‘lads’ for everyone, the same way as you are describing the use of ‘guys’. I wonder if that would be taken the same way too? |
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"What isn’t offensive in the workplace except bullshit management speak?
Where I used to work had as many disabled loos as abled and a room of contemplation mainly for Muslims. None were ever seen using it.
Then they liked to have halal meat on the menu dispute an overwhelming non religious staff.
Not working I can be as offensive as I want in my own home which is some compensation for being unemployed I guess? "
Do you suggest your workplace shouldn't have had accessible toilets (toilets can't be disabled, unless, I suppose, you remove the flusher or disconnect them from the water supply )? |
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"I worked with a woman that use to use the term ‘lads’ for everyone, the same way as you are describing the use of ‘guys’. I wonder if that would be taken the same way too? "
That's brilliant, I knew of a cheeky yoga teacher that would say goodbye to everyone after each class by saying 'namaste bitches' even though it was tongue in cheek it was clearly for everyone. |
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I think the term offended is thrown around waaay too much nowadays, nobody is offended if they are called a guy or half of the other things that people bitch about these days. Just because you don't agree with something or have a different view than someone else doesn't mean that you automatically have to be offended, just disagree and move on, no need to cry about it. |
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