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Am I a xenophobic racist?

By *ebjonnson OP Man over a year ago

Maldon

Just saw the news clip of the RNLI boat bringing in another group of mainly young men , rescued from the channel.

It irritated me. Im also irritated by the decades long inability of the UK or French authorities to get to grips with this issue.

I like to think of myself as a caring , moderate, man of the world. Love and peace to all etc.

I’m also very irritated at my recent restrictions post Brexit to not spend as much time as I like anywhere in Europe. Just a bad morning perhaps?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

You're irritated both by your inability to go anywhere you please and other people's attempts to do the same?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What does "get to grips with" mean to you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You're irritated both by your inability to go anywhere you please and other people's attempts to do the same?"

Awesome reply.

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By *elkieWoman over a year ago

Durham

"Just saw the news clip of the RNLI boat bringing in another group of mainly young men , rescued from the channel.

It irritated me. Im also irritated by the decades long inability of the UK or French authorities to get to grips with this issue.

I like to think of myself as a caring , moderate, man of the world. Love and peace to all etc.

I’m also very irritated at my recent restrictions post Brexit to not spend as much time as I like anywhere in Europe. Just a bad morning perhaps? "

Have you considered being a bleeding heart liberal instead? Far more scope to complain about people, and you get to knit hats for refugees as well.

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

Those people will eventually pay the tax that will ensure you’re looked after in your old age.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i can understand people fleeing unsafe countries but cant understand them risking their life crossing from france a safe western country to get here what is it about here they need to risk death to cross from a already safe country they are in??? partic when we are so bad and racist and backward compared to rest of europe apparently

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On one hand I understand your frustration OP. I too am extremely upset that a privilege I was born with has just been stripped away from me without my control. However to retain your compassion just give a thought to the glaring difference between floating here on a dingy and freely moving the continent.

Most of these people are running from hell. They are not risking their lives for a house in a country that hates them just to spite us. If we don't want to see foreigners being rescued from our shoreline then we need to address the reasons why they make these perilous journeys in the first place. Our wars abroad, our foreign policy and economic plans for the rest of the world are destroying their homes so they come here. We are all victims of the abuses thrust upon this world by greed, fear and hate but trust me, we have more in common with those poor than we do our wealthy.

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By *tstillworksMan over a year ago

Darlington

"i can understand people fleeing unsafe countries but cant understand them risking their life crossing from france a safe western country to get here what is it about here they need to risk death to cross from a already safe country they are in??? partic when we are so bad and racist and backward compared to rest of europe apparently

Well said

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By *melia DominaTV/TS over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

This is one of these posts where I can watch and fill up my block list with relative ease...

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By *hrista BellendWoman over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Tbf it would probably irritate them if you were that desperate man risking his life to find a safe place where he won't get killed...

The whole world is severely lacking in equality and I don't see it changing in my lifetime

As Howard Stark said "I am ahead of my time but limited by my technology"

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"Just saw the news clip of the RNLI boat bringing in another group of mainly young men , rescued from the channel.

It irritated me. Im also irritated by the decades long inability of the UK or French authorities to get to grips with this issue.

I like to think of myself as a caring , moderate, man of the world. Love and peace to all etc.

I’m also very irritated at my recent restrictions post Brexit to not spend as much time as I like anywhere in Europe. Just a bad morning perhaps? "

There’s nothing wrong with wanting proper boarder control.

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman over a year ago

This popped up on my Facebook memories today.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793

This makes for quite interesting reading

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By *orkswatcherMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Having spent quite a lot of time in Northern France pre covid, the French don't really care. They just want rid of them. The people don't want to be in France for whatever reason the UK is seen as the place to be. Despite traveling across a number of better countries

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't know for sure why they are risking their life to get here. Bit given they are, my first reaction is they have a fucking good reason. Who here would risk their life just to get benefits?

I genuinely can't imagine what they must be feeling to get in a dinghy to face that stretch of water. Maybe if we spent a few moments to ponder we would have a different view.

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By *assConductorMan over a year ago

the wild

"You're irritated both by your inability to go anywhere you please and other people's attempts to do the same?"

Truly a conundrum.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Being irritated doesn't make you racist Seb....

Your thoughts and reasons that made you irritated could do but it's not a certainty.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This is one of these posts where I can watch and fill up my block list with relative ease...

What ever is important in your life.

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By *elkieWoman over a year ago

Durham

It’s probably totally unrelated to the fact that they saw our soldiers in their home country for years and so they think we’re trustworthy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s probably totally unrelated to the fact that they saw our soldiers in their home country for years and so they think we’re trustworthy. "

the french were there too?

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By *itsAndTangentsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth

I mean the answer is clear then right, get on a cramped boat that probably has a 50/50 chance of sinking with 75 other desperate people and sail towards Spain, free holiday woooo

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By *imi_RougeWoman over a year ago

Portsmouth

This is what I don't understand

What is the rest of Europe doing to help? Went are they so intent on risking their lives to get here? What's wrong with Germany, France, Spain... Or do those countries have help in place for these people?

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

Does Ireland have this issue out of interest?

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By *andsome HandMan over a year ago

roundabout

I've always thought that for people to leave their home and risk their lives by making that crossing they must be trying to escape something horrific and who am I to judge.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

The UK receives 1/3rd of the asylum applications that France does and a tiny fraction of the numbers of refugees that Turkey does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My dad set up a charity and has worked for years dealing with asylum seekers from Syria, Iraq, Darfur etc and some of the stories he's told me are horrific. He's even written a book about it and you can't even begin to understand the desperation that causes these people to risk life in a flimsy dinghy. These are people that can't stay in their own country through fear of death due to the regime they live under.

What a lot of people struggle with is differentiating between political asylum and illegal immigration and everyone then gets tarred with the same brush. As a so-called civilised society I believe we (and other nations) have a duty of care to help to anyone fleeing persecution.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"My dad set up a charity and has worked for years dealing with asylum seekers from Syria, Iraq, Darfur etc and some of the stories he's told me are horrific. He's even written a book about it and you can't even begin to understand the desperation that causes these people to risk life in a flimsy dinghy. These are people that can't stay in their own country through fear of death due to the regime they live under.

Your dad must be a very interesting man to talk to

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

You're absolutely right. I certainly have no issue with anyone entering the UK legally. It's the illegal entrants that I have an issue with and paying thousands to a people smuggling operation can't be anything other than illegal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just saw the news clip of the RNLI boat bringing in another group of mainly young men , rescued from the channel.

It irritated me. Im also irritated by the decades long inability of the UK or French authorities to get to grips with this issue.

I like to think of myself as a caring , moderate, man of the world. Love and peace to all etc.

I’m also very irritated at my recent restrictions post Brexit to not spend as much time as I like anywhere in Europe. Just a bad morning perhaps?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting proper boarder control. "

Comedy Gold...lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On one hand I understand your frustration OP. I too am extremely upset that a privilege I was born with has just been stripped away from me without my control. However to retain your compassion just give a thought to the glaring difference between floating here on a dingy and freely moving the continent.

Totally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You're irritated both by your inability to go anywhere you please and other people's attempts to do the same?"

Excellent

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"You're irritated both by your inability to go anywhere you please and other people's attempts to do the same?"

Wittiest thing I've read in any kind of media all week.

Perfect.

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

If they notify the authorities of the presence and have good reason for their claim.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793

This makes for quite interesting reading"

That link is great and led me to some actual figures that put a lot of this into perspective.

I was surprised to read that illegal crossings in 2019 were only 1% of all asylum requests and that the UK have far fewer asylum seekers than France and Germany.

Our news headlines paint a very different picture to this....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What the Germans didn't want to do is now being achieved by Dinghy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What the Germans didn't want to do is now being achieved by Dinghy!

"
Britain now has its assets in the air (ass in the air?) and the sea is long gone!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't it internationa maritime law that people stranded at sea are picked up? As far as I can recall, there's no clauses that say "yeah but apart from those guys"

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793

This makes for quite interesting reading

That link is great and led me to some actual figures that put a lot of this into perspective.

I was surprised to read that illegal crossings in 2019 were only 1% of all asylum requests and that the UK have far fewer asylum seekers than France and Germany.

Our news headlines paint a very different picture to this.... "

Always good to look past the headline, we take some but no where near what other European countries do.

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By *awpleasureMan over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

Whenever I see the dinghys they're full of young men. Going to be a gender imbalance in the future.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whenever I see the dinghys they're full of young men. Going to be a gender imbalance in the future. "

Bit like Fab then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Alot of people have some form of family in the UK which is the first requirement for asylum

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Isn't it internationa maritime law that people stranded at sea are picked up? As far as I can recall, there's no clauses that say "yeah but apart from those guys""

International maritime law states that the boats should meet a whole raft (

) of standards which are conveniently ignored by the French I believe

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

It’s not their fault for seeking a better life….

It’s our fault for not managing it properly. Australia/Canada/USA manage it successfully…. Why can’t we!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Isn't it internationa maritime law that people stranded at sea are picked up? As far as I can recall, there's no clauses that say "yeah but apart from those guys"

International maritime law states that the boats should meet a whole raft (

) of standards which are conveniently ignored by the French I believe "

Quote the standards oar do one.

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By *EW4UMRSMan over a year ago

close 2U

You should all be upset and pissed we’re not controlling our boarders.you don’t have a clue who’s coming in what crimes they’ve vomited in other countries. Rapist. Nonces. Drug dealers. Suppose I’m a racist then

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Isn't it internationa maritime law that people stranded at sea are picked up? As far as I can recall, there's no clauses that say "yeah but apart from those guys"

International maritime law states that the boats should meet a whole raft (

) of standards which are conveniently ignored by the French I believe

Quote the standards oar do one."

All vessels with a 6 horse power + engine must have a licensed skipper, foghorn, lifejackets for all, a certain level of buoyancy, flares, torch, baler and compass...as I understand it

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"You should all be upset and pissed we’re not controlling our boarders.you don’t have a clue who’s coming in what crimes they’ve vomited in other countries. Rapist. Nonces. Drug dealers. Suppose I’m a racist then"

Upset no

Sympathetic yes

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman over a year ago

Yeah because our country has none of them

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

"It’s not their fault for seeking a better life….

It’s our fault for not managing it properly. Australia/Canada/USA manage it successfully…. Why can’t we! "

…due to a wider sea I suspect?

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By *topthepressMan over a year ago

MANCHESTER

No one mentions that the French take thousands of migrants also

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have never had ‘control ‘ of our borders, it’s naive to think we ever will

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have never had ‘control ‘ of our borders, it’s naive to think we ever will "

Nonsense. We always did. Smugglers will smuggle, but if anyone truly believes the UK was powerless to remove foreign nationals, inc EU citizens, they're wrong and probably read lies spread by people who stand to gain from having no European Court of Human Rights, employment laws, etc.

Everybody does know that people without residential status can't claim benefits or use the NHS right? Schroedinger's immigrant; illegal but coming over here and getting benefits. Stealing our jobs and also coming over here and getting benefits.

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By *inkywife1981Couple over a year ago

A town near you

Is it safe to say that if people are crossing to England in dinghys that they have come through much of Western Europe already.

So not exactly fleeing for their lives unless France is really that bad.

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By *EW4UMRSMan over a year ago

close 2U

Yeah because our country has none of them "
so let’s not police boarders. Give free range to all. Last time I looked France was a safe country. They are coming for economic reasons.

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By *topthepressMan over a year ago

MANCHESTER

Maybe it's because they speak good English easier for them to find work when they get here

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Is it safe to say that if people are crossing to England in dinghys that they have come through much of Western Europe already.

So not exactly fleeing for their lives unless France is really that bad.

Exactly

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By *andsome HandMan over a year ago

roundabout

We have never had ‘control ‘ of our borders, it’s naive to think we ever will

Love that analogy

At any rate jobs can't be stolen, nobody has ever woke one morning to find their job pilfered. Generally I find that the people crying about job theft are claiming benefits.

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman over a year ago

Just on Instagram and came across a Brian bilston poem.

PENGUINS

They were sighted off the Dover coast,

drifting in towards the port;

their boat, a snapped-off block of ice,

melting slowly in the warmth.

By the docks, a crowd had formed itself

and congealed into a mob.

Placards were thrust. A chant began.

GO BACK TO WHERE YOU’RE FROM!

‘Don’t fall for it – they’re not displaced,’

declared a spokesman for the right.

‘They’re only here to take our jobs.

It’s as clear as black and white.’

‘Tragic,’ said the Home Secretary,

as she tried to hide her smirk.

‘We’d let them stay but here’s the rub –

they lack the paperwork.’

‘They’ll undermine our way of life,’

said a warning post on Twitter.

‘They stink of fish.’ ‘They’ll r8pe your wife.’

‘They got bombs beneath their flippers.’

“BUT WE HAVE NO HOME CLAIMS PENGUIN”,

The Sun had printed in disgust.

‘And whose fault’s THAT - except THEIR OWN?

What’s that to do with US?’

The ice had now completely gone.

The penguins battled through the foam,

swimming, swimming, from land to land,

searching for a home.

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By *ebjonnson OP Man over a year ago

Maldon

"Those people will eventually pay the tax that will ensure you’re looked after in your old age."

Rubbish. I’ve paid plenty of my own tax.

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793

This makes for quite interesting reading

That link is great and led me to some actual figures that put a lot of this into perspective.

I was surprised to read that illegal crossings in 2019 were only 1% of all asylum requests and that the UK have far fewer asylum seekers than France and Germany.

Our news headlines paint a very different picture to this....

Always good to look past the headline, we take some but no where near what other European countries do. "

Yeah. It's almost like they're whipping up xenophobia to generate sales, and reaffirm that narrative in the minds of their readers in order to perpetuate those sales.

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By *yron69Man over a year ago

Fareham

"Those people will eventually pay the tax that will ensure you’re looked after in your old age.

Rubbish. I’ve paid plenty of my own tax."

The new social care tax!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Those people will eventually pay the tax that will ensure you’re looked after in your old age.

Rubbish. I’ve paid plenty of my own tax."
that's not how tax works tho. What you have paid in has been spent. Someone needs to pay tax in the future to support us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I cannot imagine how fucking desperate I would have to be, to put my children on a boat that has a massive chance of sinking, and of one or more of us dying.

They aren’t sailing in for fun.

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders"

Why?

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By *izzy.miss.lizzyCouple over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

Just heard on the radio that the government here will be turning boats back mid crossing in some situations.

There will be blood on their hands before long.

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By *EW4UMRSMan over a year ago

close 2U

"This popped up on my Facebook memories today.

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

Why?"

Because we have so many people paying in and so many people taking out. They should roughly balance. That is the social contract.

What would happen if millions of people arrive with open borders?

Who would pay benefits? Who would pay for extra school places? Extra hospital places? More road space? Housing?

A lot of virtue signalling going on but people aren't addressing the issues.

It's like your household, set up to run, presumably, with a rough balance between income, mouths to feed etc. What would happen if more people just turned up uninvited?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

Why?

Because we have so many people paying in and so many people taking out. They should roughly balance. That is the social contract.

What would happen if millions of people arrive with open borders?

Who would pay benefits? Who would pay for extra school places? Extra hospital places? More road space? Housing?

A lot of virtue signalling going on but people aren't addressing the issues.

It's like your household, set up to run, presumably, with a rough balance between income, mouths to feed etc. What would happen if more people just turned up uninvited?"
suspect you both may be debating what we mean by open borders. You'll need to agree that definition first!

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

Why?

Because we have so many people paying in and so many people taking out. They should roughly balance. That is the social contract.

What would happen if millions of people arrive with open borders?

Who would pay benefits? Who would pay for extra school places? Extra hospital places? More road space? Housing?

A lot of virtue signalling going on but people aren't addressing the issues.

It's like your household, set up to run, presumably, with a rough balance between income, mouths to feed etc. What would happen if more people just turned up uninvited?suspect you both may be debating what we mean by open borders. You'll need to agree that definition first!"

Open borders means anyone who wants to come can do so

Unsustainable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This popped up on my Facebook memories today.

‘My parents voted to leave to ‘stop all these immigrants’ They have both subsequently died in the past 3 years. We watched, as each in turn were nursed to a dignified and comfortable death by nursing and care staff from the European Union. The irony twas not lost on us’ parents looked after by hard working people that went through proper procedures. Not smuggled over by criminals. Everyone gets exploited. "
there are two types of immigrants being discussed. Those coming over by boat may be legally coming over to seek asylum. If successful they will have gone thru the proper procedures.

Then there are those who will disappear into the underworld and, I agree, will likely be exploited.

We don't know which type thsoe on boats are. But they aren't illegal just because they are on a boat.

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By *amelhunterMan over a year ago

newcastle

"Just saw the news clip of the RNLI boat bringing in another group of mainly young men , rescued from the channel.

It irritated me. Im also irritated by the decades long inability of the UK or French authorities to get to grips with this issue.

I like to think of myself as a caring , moderate, man of the world. Love and peace to all etc.

I’m also very irritated at my recent restrictions post Brexit to not spend as much time as I like anywhere in Europe. Just a bad morning perhaps?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting proper boarder control. "

yes, i love to have full control of lodgers!

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"This popped up on my Facebook memories today.

‘My parents voted to leave to ‘stop all these immigrants’ They have both subsequently died in the past 3 years. We watched, as each in turn were nursed to a dignified and comfortable death by nursing and care staff from the European Union. The irony twas not lost on us’ parents looked after by hard working people that went through proper procedures. Not smuggled over by criminals. Everyone gets exploited. there are two types of immigrants being discussed. Those coming over by boat may be legally coming over to seek asylum. If successful they will have gone thru the proper procedures.

Then there are those who will disappear into the underworld and, I agree, will likely be exploited.

We don't know which type thsoe on boats are. But they aren't illegal just because they are on a boat. "

Very clearly most aren't fleeing oppression because they are coming from France.

Mainly economic immigration...and the country's labour markets, housing, schools, hospitals etc can't support that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

Why?

Because we have so many people paying in and so many people taking out. They should roughly balance. That is the social contract.

What would happen if millions of people arrive with open borders?

Who would pay benefits? Who would pay for extra school places? Extra hospital places? More road space? Housing?

A lot of virtue signalling going on but people aren't addressing the issues.

It's like your household, set up to run, presumably, with a rough balance between income, mouths to feed etc. What would happen if more people just turned up uninvited?"

1. That isn't how national economies work. You don't "balance" books like a household budget.

2. Where are these millions coming from? Currently there are as many foreign born nationals living in the UK as there are british ex pats living abroad.

3. Stop calling anything vaguely socially democratic "virtue signalling". Are people who wear poppies and are vocal about doing so virtue signallers?

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

"There's nothing wrong with wanting proper border controls.

We've built a welfare state and made a country we can be proud of.

You can't have a welfare state AND open borders

Why?

Because we have so many people paying in and so many people taking out. They should roughly balance. That is the social contract.

What would happen if millions of people arrive with open borders?

Who would pay benefits? Who would pay for extra school places? Extra hospital places? More road space? Housing?

A lot of virtue signalling going on but people aren't addressing the issues.

It's like your household, set up to run, presumably, with a rough balance between income, mouths to feed etc. What would happen if more people just turned up uninvited?

1. That isn't how national economies work. You don't "balance" books like a household budget.

2. Where are these millions coming from? Currently there are as many foreign born nationals living in the UK as there are british ex pats living abroad.

3. Stop calling anything vaguely socially democratic "virtue signalling". Are people who wear poppies and are vocal about doing so virtue signallers? "

Not so. In the EU referendum the Remainers claimed there were as many UK ex-pats living abroad as there were vice-versa.

The UK and EU countries are now asking each others citizens to register there presence.

It has been found that 6m EU citizens were, after all, in the UK. There are 1.75m (it might be 2.75m...can't remember) UK citizens living elsewhere.

The effect on house prices, wages etc has been entirely predictable