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over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this"
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ? |
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
They're not putting all Alpacas, it's one... |
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
Thats a ridiculous comparison. |
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over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
How are the two even remotely connected?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I like cows & so do many people . there should be a vaccine for TB licensed for animal use by now, its not the cows or badgers fault. "
My mistake , there is one but its under trial still. |
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over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?
It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets."
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?
It would depend if my family were being farmed as livestock or as pets."
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
Bridgend |
"I like cows & so do many people . there should be a vaccine for TB licensed for animal use by now, its not the cows or badgers fault.
My mistake , there is one but its under trial still."
it has been in trials for many years but the relevant authorities seem to be stuck in the 1950s
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"WTH is a pushmepullme?"
Dr Doolittle had a pushmepullyou which looked remarkably like a twin headed (one at each end) alpaca/llama
Geronimo has had 2 tests and failed both. He has however been allowed to live for a further 4 years so somewhere along the line some officious bumble really has failed their jobsworth title. That said its failed, it should be destroyed |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
TB is deadly to livestock and humans.
Quote from DW's website
Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday.
Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24.
Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine.
Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day.
Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs.
"For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD.
Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States
In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus.
Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said.
Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague.
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing.
Baffling  "
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing |
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans.
Quote from DW's website
Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday.
Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24.
Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine.
Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day.
Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs.
"For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD.
Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States
In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus.
Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said.
Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague.
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And if it did I'd be the first to say it has to be put down but some clearly haven't looked into the story . These tests were done 4 years ago . Alpacas never live more than a couple of months after contracting TB , he's lived happily and healthily for 4 years since and infected nothing else .
All the owner is asking for is a new test and I don't see why that can't be granted under the circumstances  |
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing.
Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing"
Because of the reasons above and she has an emotional bond with it |
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By *arl17Man
over a year ago
Central Portugal |
"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing.
Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing"
Snowflakes going mad these days ... crazy |
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"It may not be the most important story in the world but why are some people finding this amusing.
Baffling
Because the response to it is absurdly disproportionate to the issue. To be clear, I don't find an alpaca being put down amusing, I find someone going all the way to the high court to try and save an alpaca with bovine TB highly amusing
Snowflakes going mad these days ... crazy"
Yeah I'm such a snowflake me  |
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans.
Quote from DW's website
Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday.
Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24.
Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine.
Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day.
Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs.
"For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD.
Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States
In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus.
Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said.
Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague.
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And they spit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"TB is deadly to livestock and humans.
Quote from DW's website
Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday.
Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24.
Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine.
Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day.
Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs.
"For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD.
Read more: UN wins TB dispute with United States
In Asia and Africa, it is tuberculosis patients who are most likely to be killed by the coronavirus.
Tuberculosis can be cured if treated over six months with a cocktail of four different antibiotics, DAWH said. However, many patients end their treatment early or develop a resistance to the medication that complicates and prolongs treatment. A lack of medicine is a common reason why patients end their treatment early, DAWH said.
Is it worth it for the sake of one animal? Just think where corona virus came from: one animal! We don't need another plague.
And if it did I'd be the first to say it has to be put down but some clearly haven't looked into the story . These tests were done 4 years ago . Alpacas never live more than a couple of months after contracting TB , he's lived happily and healthily for 4 years since and infected nothing else .
All the owner is asking for is a new test and I don't see why that can't be granted under the circumstances "
This is not true about only living a few months. Like Covid there is a difference between bring a carrier and being symptomatic. I had an alpaca farm for 9 years. During that time became friends and co-campaigner with a lady that caught TB from one of her alpacas. I left the farm 7 years ago when the British Alpaca Society we're trying to find a better TB test than existing comparison test. This is because it has a specificity of just 20% so there is an 80% chance of a false positive. This is why when I first read this story I disagreed with the judgement. However further reading shows both tests were antigen tests with just 0.34% false positives per test.
Unfortunately this means for the protection from spreading it has to be culled. |
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?"
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead?"
Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. "
Mere trifles then... |
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead?
Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this?"
Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis?
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. "
You’re taking on too much! |
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
Bournemouh |
"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. "
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc. "
Long list why stop at pushmepullme then ? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc.
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "
It's a topic not to be taken lightly x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
To be fair they do put you down if you catch the zombie virus.... thats if you dont bite them first....
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Brains!
Brains!
Uuuuurrrrgggggghhhhhhh |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc.
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "
you might laugh, but did you know sharknado is actualy a documentry |
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc.
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there… "
Snook it in there yes |
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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago
Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove |
It’s 20 years since foot and mouth disease spread across the north west countless farmers lost their livestock and livelihoods.
The law is the law and it had just been killed 4 years ago the owner wouldn’t have lived in hope for so long.
But she’s had 4 more years with it longer than she should have.
People’s pets die every day, it’s sad but life goes on.
There’s so much going on in world right now perhaps the news could focus on important things that impact the wider community and not just one pet owner |
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By *rMrsRichCouple
over a year ago
Bournemouh |
"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc.
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there…
you might laugh, but did you know sharknado is actualy a documentry"
I must see this!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bigger things to worry about than this.
Such as ?
Afghanistan. Refugees. Housing crisis. Poor housing. Sharks. Removal of£20 benefit uplift, public sector pay, post covid deficit, Tory handling of pandemic, future management of pandemic, NHS wait list, Cancer care, suicide rates, racial integration, availability of housing stock and social housing, homelessness, etc.
I’m so glad you managed to get sharks in there…
you might laugh, but did you know sharknado is actualy a documentry
I must see this!! "
if you havnt then yes you should, you will laugh your head off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is speciesim...I like pushmepullme alpecas...
If it were a rat I would not be bothered..
Anyone who has seen Dr Doolittle will indersy this..
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#Talk to the animals# |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court.
A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme..
Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.."
Export TB to another country ? Seems an obvious decision |
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How! I have "reservations" over this. Geronimo surely has his own reservation too? Complete with wigwams & squaws. White man speak with fork tongue. His owner should sioux the government. Gotta say Tom, this thread isn't apache on some of your others. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"How! I have "reservations" over this. Geronimo surely has his own reservation too? Complete with wigwams & squaws. White man speak with fork tongue. His owner should sioux the government. Gotta say Tom, this thread isn't apache on some of your others. "
Very very profound ...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?
How are the two even remotely connected??"
When you work that out let us know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino..
They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme"
You really have ask why
You don't see many badger burgers on the menu
The law says it needs to be shot so it gets shot
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If they kept kill badgers that is the main cause of TB
But some goody goody had to stop that
So the alpaca has to be killed instead
Now they are not happy with that
You can't have your cake and eat it |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead?
Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this?
Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis?
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Because I don't know how good those tests are and I might learn something on the way. |
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"and it seems the test isnt even acurate the one that works costs more so isnt used, and as a previous poster said, if it has tb, why isnt it dead?
Any vets/virologists care to add their thoughts on this?
Why would we need a virologist to discuss an infection by the bacterium Mycobacterium bovis?
Because I don't know how good those tests are and I might learn something on the way."
Bacteriologists investigate bacteria, virologists do viruses  |
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"There must be a safe haven for Geromino..
They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme"
I am guessing you missed the badger culls that regularly happen in Gloucestershire to reduce TB? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"There must be a safe haven for Geromino..
They let badgers thrive with TB so why not the pushmepullme
I am guessing you missed the badger culls that regularly happen in Gloucestershire to reduce TB? "
I thought they were trials go assess the impact of badger culls.. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words .
Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered
God almighty Tom! Quit with the doom and gloom stuff!! "
It's all over the news Diamond...thousands to be culled |
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"There is a massive badger cull on the way.. Mark my words .
Thousands of badgers to be slaughtered
God almighty Tom! Quit with the doom and gloom stuff!!
It's all over the news Diamond...thousands to be culled"
Yeah but leave it in the news it’s where doom and gloom belongs - not here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court.
A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme..
Let the animal live...if not here then in another country.."
And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Over 75,000 badgers will be killed.
That's a hell of a lot of badgers "
There are 7.5m badgers in this country alone. That's only 0.01%. Stop with the dramatics. |
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court.
A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme..
Let the animal live...if not here then in another country..
And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? "
What has alot of subjects here to do with swinging?? Ohh yes nothing! ! |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court.
A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme..
Let the animal live...if not here then in another country..
And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute?
What has alot of subjects here to do with swinging?? Ohh yes nothing! !"
Well some people like to chat and have a conservation before they jump into bed but we are all different |
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"This is speciesim...I like pushmepullme alpecas...
If it were a rat I would not be bothered..
Anyone who has seen Dr Doolittle will indersy this..
all lives are just as valuable as any other "
I would feel same about a rat! I have a baby one I watch climb my tree in garden is cute ! And yes every little life matters x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Geronimo the pushmepullme alpeca llama camoloid is to be executed says the High Court.
A human Chain is protecting the pushmepullme..
Let the animal live...if not here then in another country..
And this has what to do with swinging? Are we supposed to fuck in his honour? Do a wank salute? "
Does every post need to be about swinging? |
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?"
I really do hope never!!!x |
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?
I really do hope never!!!x"
so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free. |
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?
I really do hope never!!!x
so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free."
Its us humans need culling! X |
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?
I really do hope never!!!x
so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free.
Its us humans need culling! X"
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"i'm just curious as to when the uk deer herd will be gassed like badgers to stop the transmission of bovine TB over tremendous distances involving many hundreds of miles?
I really do hope never!!!x
so do i, but it does seem odd to pick out badgers to be destroyed wholesale yet deer get away scott free.
Its us humans need culling! X
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"I really struggle to understand how people get so worked up about this
How would you feel if the government said right we are going to put down all people with covid 19 ?
Say you or one of your family had it ?"
I think the scenarios as worlds apart |
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