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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

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By * Sophie xTV/TS  over a year ago

Derby

Yes and thanks very much to my shite memory for some things I can barely remember it either, I just know it happened

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By *acey_RedWoman  over a year ago

Liverpool

Yes. I guess some people you're just not compatible with in that regard. If they ignore any prompts you give and it's just not working for you then it's just frustrating. It's a shame when it happens.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yes and thanks very much to my shite memory for some things I can barely remember it either, I just know it happened "

Sometimes a shite memory is for the best

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex

Yes, the time the guy we were with tell asleep . Full on snoring and everything. I must be a real crap shag

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yes. I guess some people you're just not compatible with in that regard. If they ignore any prompts you give and it's just not working for you then it's just frustrating. It's a shame when it happens. "

It really is a shame - especially when you get into well - and then the sex is just pfffttttt

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By *uxom redCouple  over a year ago

Shrewsbury

Yep your describing my sex life with my ex husband, sadly going home having cake wasn't an option.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yes. I guess some people you're just not compatible with in that regard. If they ignore any prompts you give and it's just not working for you then it's just frustrating. It's a shame when it happens.

It really is a shame - especially when you get into well - and then the sex is just pfffttttt "

Get on well *

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yes, the time the guy we were with tell asleep . Full on snoring and everything. I must be a real crap shag "

Ohhhh nooooo - maybe he was just tired

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yep your describing my sex life with my ex husband, sadly going home having cake wasn't an option. "

An ex is an ex for a reason!

I hope you have cake in now

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By *eedingexcitementMan  over a year ago

Witham

Been there many many times. Your mind wonders, and you really can't finish

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"Yes, the time the guy we were with tell asleep . Full on snoring and everything. I must be a real crap shag

Ohhhh nooooo - maybe he was just tired "

. Who knows.

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By *uxom redCouple  over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"Yep your describing my sex life with my ex husband, sadly going home having cake wasn't an option.

An ex is an ex for a reason!

I hope you have cake in now "

I bake the cakes for others to enjoy

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Been there many many times. Your mind wonders, and you really can't finish "

Bad sex is like being at work watching the clock

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By *educedWoman  over a year ago

Birmingham

I just close my eyes, channel my inner porn star (I keep my shoes on) touch my nips,sigh rub my clit, sigh and Bob's your uncle! Job's a good un.

*Insert small talk here*

Exits centre stage.

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By *orwegian BlueMan  over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Unfortunately yes.

I guess there are some you just are not sexually compatible with.

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By *implynaughty1Couple  over a year ago

stockport

We haven't come across that one lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes, and I don't even like cake

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By *ed VoluptaWoman  over a year ago

Wirral.


"Been there many many times. Your mind wonders, and you really can't finish

Bad sex is like being at work watching the clock "

God, yes! X

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I just close my eyes, channel my inner porn star (I keep my shoes on) touch my nips,sigh rub my clit, sigh and Bob's your uncle! Job's a good un.

*Insert small talk here*

Exits centre stage.

"

Superstar

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Unfortunately yes.

I guess there are some you just are not sexually compatible with."

True story x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We haven't come across that one lol "

Wow

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yes, and I don't even like cake "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yeah, I’ve got up and left halfway through.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yeah, I’ve got up and left halfway through."

To do your accounts?

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By *innie The MinxWoman  over a year ago

Under the Duvet

When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yeah, I’ve got up and left halfway through.

To do your accounts?"

For those wondering what she’s talking about, she’s convinced I’m an accountant.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I just close my eyes, channel my inner porn star (I keep my shoes on) touch my nips,sigh rub my clit, sigh and Bob's your uncle! Job's a good un.

*Insert small talk here*

Exits centre stage.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ive got up and left too thankfully only the once though i have always been pretty lucky with meets

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By *iger4uWoman  over a year ago

In my happy place

Yes... Omg... That guy...!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Might be just me but is any sex boring, really!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep your describing my sex life with my ex husband, sadly going home having cake wasn't an option. "

Same here. Thank god things have changed for us x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me "

Oh yes!

This for me too x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yeah, I’ve got up and left halfway through.

To do your accounts?

For those wondering what she’s talking about, she’s convinced I’m an accountant."

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ive got up and left too thankfully only the once though i have always been pretty lucky with meets "

Mid thrust?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Might be just me but is any sex boring, really! "

Yes it can be.

Especially in comparison to cake or pizza

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yup!

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By *m A FuckerMan  over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent


"Yes, the time the guy we were with tell asleep . Full on snoring and everything. I must be a real crap shag "
lool

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By *nabelle21Woman  over a year ago

B38

Yep..I have known this feeling. I just put it behind me and forget about it.

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By *wist my nipplesCouple  over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

Yep, been there!

Mrs TMN x

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By *dam1971Man  over a year ago

Bedford


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

"

Loads of my partners have said this

Oh, wait

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Omg yes a few times Chemistry is everything

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ha ha I think its a rite of passage for us all to experience from time to time lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes! Last time I started to count how many thrusts per minute

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By *fter dinner delightCouple  over a year ago

bury st edmunds/london

Most night with hubby lol

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By *hunky GentMan  over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

When this happens i try to change hands.

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By *dam1971Man  over a year ago

Bedford


"Yes! Last time I started to count how many thrusts per minute "

Is that what they mean by the rhythm method of contraception?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yeah, I’ve got up and left halfway through."

me too

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By *implynaughty1Couple  over a year ago

stockport


"We haven't come across that one lol

Wow "

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By *a LunaWoman  over a year ago

South Wales


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

"

Yep, usually after two many lambrinis and the room is starting to spin and you have that stunned fish vibe.

It’s climb on and climb off sex then.

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By *innie The MinxWoman  over a year ago

Under the Duvet


"When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me

Oh yes!

This for me too x"

Fuck sakes Poppins, just marry me now

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By *hunky GentMan  over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

Yep, usually after two many lambrinis and the room is starting to spin and you have that stunned fish vibe.

It’s climb on and climb off sex then. "

Don't worry - if the room starts to spin - I'll tie you down to the bed.

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By *dam1971Man  over a year ago

Bedford


"When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me

Oh yes!

This for me too x

Fuck sakes Poppins, just marry me now "

Can we be a thruple?

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By *wist my nipplesCouple  over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly


"Yep, been there!

Mrs TMN x"

Sorry. Mr.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me "

Fuck yes

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By *orthern StarsCouple  over a year ago

Durham

In my younger days before I met Mr, there was this one guy I invited back to my house. That was a mistake. He just didn't do it for me. I was pleased when it was time for him to leave.

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By *nabelle21Woman  over a year ago

B38


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

Loads of my partners have said this

Oh, wait "

Do take cake as a back up

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By *xelf787Man  over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester


"Yes, the time the guy we were with tell asleep . Full on snoring and everything. I must be a real crap shag "

He obviously had no stamina, you must have been too much for him!!

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By *nliveneTV/TS  over a year ago

Selby

I love cake

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By *torm in a G cupWoman  over a year ago

Land of the Long White Cloud

One time.... At band camp.....

He seemed to think once was enough. With lots of effort on my part I proved him wrong.

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By *acktar74Man  over a year ago

leeds

What cake are we talking about

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By *mmmMaybeCouple  over a year ago

West Wales

I’ve just stopped before now, someone you thought you were really in to, everything going good on a date & then in the sack nothing, may as well be a sack of potatoes for the feedback your getting.

That level of nothing has only happened a couple of times when younger luckily.

S

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I feel awful for admitting this, but I once did my shopping list whilst in " the act".... It was so boring, uninspiring and "dead", I managed a 2 week list!

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By *acktar74Man  over a year ago

leeds


"I feel awful for admitting this, but I once did my shopping list whilst in " the act".... It was so boring, uninspiring and "dead", I managed a 2 week list! "

Were you on line shopping at the time lol

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By *stbury DavenportMan  over a year ago

Nottingham

I can't recall ever having been bored by sex.

I can only pray my partners feel the same way about me. Hah.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Long time ago whilst at uni I got friendly with the guy who lived on the floor below.

I didn't fancy him much but we liked eachother and one evening he started to kiss me so I let him carry on to see if I got excited.

It was so boring as I think I was his 2nd one to have sex with (in his life) so he still didn't know what to do.. He was like a rabbit and kept on saying "fuck fuck"...

There was Alien movie on telly later on I was really looking forward to watch

I enjoyed the movie. At least.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Isnt it amazing how different people think..a guy might think he's after giving a lady the ride of her life where the lady knows he'll never again get near her..suppose the thing here is maybe that any guy who might be lucky to get an opportunity to have sex with a lady ,the trick though is will he get another oppotunity ??.. ...like l said a guys idea of great sex may not be anything like the ladys idea of great sex.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes.

cake

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I was once invited to a real nice couples house, electricity was in the air, conversation flowed brilliantly, the first kiss with her felt awkward...... Upstairs we went, slowly undressing... Lots of teasing and fantastic sex..... But the kissing never improved,such a shame..... I lurv the kissing side

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

Loads of my partners have said this

Oh, wait "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A few times, but fortunately the vast majority of sex has been enjoyable.

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By *andy_tomMan  over a year ago

wolverhampton

Boring sex is sometimes better than no sex at all ,

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By *ustBoWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

Yes it has happened a few times. Amazing what you end up thinking about tho.

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By *riar BelisseWoman  over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Can’t say that I have.

It’s never been ‘just sex’ for me and I think this is the difference.

I haven’t had sex with that many different women though so I’m yet to stumble on you boring ones.

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By *olden RatioWoman  over a year ago

Buckinghamshire

Sadly, yes. Twice with the same guy.

I thought maybe that the first time he was off due to drink, but it actually turns out that lying on his back with his hands by his sides and doing sweet FA was his thing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I once went down on a woman, who when I looked up was booking her grocery delivery slot with Asda,

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By *ribsaMan  over a year ago

A box at end of your bed

Yes years of it with ex wife.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes lots of d*unken meaningless sex as a young man . I thought it was great at the time but in reality it probably wasn't the best.

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By *r MoriartyMan  over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

Only a couple of times but yeah, it's so disappointing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

With an old boyfriend years ago. We should have split up a year before we did. This is why I had my first swing. It was with a chubby guy twice my age, but still better than my ex. Xxxx

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By *etite_delightWoman  over a year ago

BunnyLand


"When I was younger yes.

When I first started on these kind of sites ( prior to FAB but also my early days on here) I had some less than satisfactory experiences yes.

However Ive grown and evolved over the last 3 years and now I know what works for me "

Pretty much like this as well

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By *ooby birdWoman  over a year ago

North West


"I once went down on a woman, who when I looked up was booking her grocery delivery slot with Asda, "

That made me chuckle.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Might be just me but is any sex boring, really!

Yes it can be.

Especially in comparison to cake or pizza "

Wouldn't bother me if you had it at the same time!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Have you ever had those kind of experiences where you are 'supposed ' to be enjoying yourself but just felt meh about it and wished you were at home eating cake by yourself?

"

Yes.

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By *orthern StarsCouple  over a year ago

Durham


"Boring sex is sometimes better than no sex at all , "

Really? I just end up feeling frustrated so I'd rather go without. Thankfully i don't have to.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Boring sex is sometimes better than no sex at all , "

Lol not true

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Boring sex is sometimes better than no sex at all ,

Lol not true"

id rather not have sex if its not mind blowing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

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By *bwlookingforfunWoman  over a year ago

crawley

Yep.

I got dressed and left. I have no time for this

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?"

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell."

I was thinking it takes two to tango so whichever one you are 50% of the blame lies with you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Pretty much every time I’ve met someone from this site for sex.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

I was thinking it takes two to tango so whichever one you are 50% of the blame lies with you."

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell."

I reckon Victoria is like a sack of potatoes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

I reckon Victoria is like a sack of potatoes "

Take that back.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Shant

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell."

What a hero yeah you show em what they’re missing lol

But alright yes it does take (at least) two people to be into each other, if one person is bored then the fault is with both for letting it get that far.

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By *riday10Man  over a year ago

hertfordshire


"I reckon Victoria is like a sack of potatoes "

A sack of potatoes would make for a few meals at least

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

What a hero yeah you show em what they’re missing lol

But alright yes it does take (at least) two people to be into each other, if one person is bored then the fault is with both for letting it get that far."

So you agree but still decided you needed to get an uncalled for dig in at my explanation.

It doesn’t even make sense.

When did I make any reference to ‘what they are missing’?

You’re the fucking hero by the sounds of that response.

Go you.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

What a hero yeah you show em what they’re missing lol

But alright yes it does take (at least) two people to be into each other, if one person is bored then the fault is with both for letting it get that far.

So you agree but still decided you needed to get an uncalled for dig in at my explanation.

It doesn’t even make sense.

When did I make any reference to ‘what they are missing’?

You’re the fucking hero by the sounds of that response.

Go you."

Blimey that escalated quickly lol

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By *elloIntrigueMan  over a year ago

North West UK

Phew... my name hasn't appeared on here yet! Haha

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?"

I have crap sex all the time. I must be amaaaaazing in bed!!

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By *wist my nipplesCouple  over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?"

I don't think it's as black and white as that Like most of life, I think it comes down to communication. Most of my bad experiences were one night stands when I was younger - I didn't have to confidence to ask for what I wanted or suggest something different. If someone's pulling out what they think are their best moves, I still find it awkward if it's just not working for me, as I don't want to hurt their feelings! It's definitely something I've got better at, though

Mrs TMN x

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By *mmmMaybeCouple  over a year ago

West Wales


"Is this one of those things where if you've not experienced it then you're probably the person in question?

I’d argue that it’s the complete opposite.

If you have experienced it then you’re probably the person to blame.

You decided that person was worth having sex with and you’re part of the sex.

Say I was having sex with the op, she’s riding me all cow girl and stuff but it’s just not doing it for me so I reach up and pull her down and kiss her passionately whilst then having her in a position where I can then thrust up with her movements so I can now help show her what I like, all the time gauging how she’s reacting so that I can make sure she’s enjoying it too which is usually the thing that turns me on the most.

If that’s not working I’ll just flip her over and do her from behind whilst thinking about Victoria coren Mitchell.

I was thinking it takes two to tango so whichever one you are 50% of the blame lies with you."

With some it’s a head thing though. I went out with someone that as soon as we would get amorous would play with herself. No problem except it was every time, all the time, Even in missionary, position & how awkward didn’t matter. gently try & move her hand & all hell would break loose.

After her giving odd reasons for it I talked to her long term previous who was a friend of a friend & quietly asked.

He turned around & said during a row she said she did it so no man could say he gave her pleasure, It was a control thing, he was a secondary consideration.

It’s not always about the physical.

S

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yup i had one shockingly bad weekend away. He was boring and patronising. The sex was shocking. I couldn’t wait to get it over with

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By *r MoriartyMan  over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

This is why it's best to arrange two meets a day, you're doubling your chances of a knee trembler.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes - normally when handjobs are involved.

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By *ensuallover1000Man  over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

Sadly yes Mind you, cake is a tough act to follow though....

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