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over a year ago
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So I never understood what this word meant, but I know use reddit and Jesus Christ.
The whole blue pill thing, waifus, ‘voluntarily celibate but it’s not really voluntarily’ and god, just everything.
Certainly opened my eyes, I’m so bloody ignorant to a lot of things.
What’s your opinion on them? Are you one? Do you know one? Do you think they’re treated fairly or unfairly?
I hope I’m not offending anyone, this whole ‘incel’ thing is reaaaaaaally new to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I knew men who ‘fit into’ the incel category, but I didn’t realise just how big it was |
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over a year ago
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This also isn’t a man bashing thread or whatever, I’m genuinely interested in opinions, experiences etc.
So please don’t turn it into a bitchy thread |
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I saw a profile on here once predicting a violent backlash against women who reject Men based on looks.
He was a forum user as well. He didn’t last long or perhaps is back under a different name.
It’s a disturbing mindset.
Have a look at Elliot Rogers last video for an insight into how they feel.
Deeply unpleasant and entitled individuals. |
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"I saw a profile on here once predicting a violent backlash against women who reject Men based on looks.
He was a forum user as well. He didn’t last long or perhaps is back under a different name.
It’s a disturbing mindset.
Have a look at Elliot Rogers last video for an insight into how they feel.
Deeply unpleasant and entitled individuals. "
I dont know much about 'incels' but I have a basic understanding.
Unfortunately there are many of the type of profiles you describe on here.
And so many entitled and unpleasant people.
I'll say people because unpleasant comes in all genders.
Incel is just another word to describe someone with a serious mental health issue in my opinion.
Awful! |
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over a year ago
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I knew about these and they appear when you dig into the manosphere online.
I’m gonna have to add this thread to my research for my book.
Keeping an eye on the responses. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I knew about these and they appear when you dig into the manosphere online.
I’m gonna have to add this thread to my research for my book.
Keeping an eye on the responses. "
You’re welcome my little sweetie pie |
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over a year ago
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Yeah it's not a reddit only problem but it has its dark corners like any messageboard or user-generated-content site.
I guess they're the extreme consequence of being THAT entitled regarding sex. "I'm not getting any, so here's why it's not my fault" is a very scary mindset. |
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"These are the types that normally end up shooting up their high schools because they’ve been rejected at some point in their lives. "
I was reading a thread about a girl who was beheaded and they were all saying she deserved it because she ‘led men on’ |
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"I had to google it and I’m sure I’ve at least 2 on my Facebook though I’m still not 100% on what it means "
Stands for INvoluntary CELibates.
Primarily guys who think woman and wider society have conspired against them to withhold sex and love that they believe they ‘deserve’ as men.
They’re often obnoxious loners.
Several have committed quite nasty murders and terrorist attacks. |
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"These are the types that normally end up shooting up their high schools because they’ve been rejected at some point in their lives.
I was reading a thread about a girl who was beheaded and they were all saying she deserved it because she ‘led men on’"
It’s fucked up. If you want to read more stuff read the chasing the mammoth threads. They find the beat threads on reddit and just rip into them!
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I've just had to do a fairly quick Google on this, quite disturbing, but can't say I'm that surprised that people of that kind of mindset would end up gravitating towards each other. |
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"I had to google it and I’m sure I’ve at least 2 on my Facebook though I’m still not 100% on what it means
Stands for INvoluntary CELibates.
Primarily guys who think woman and wider society have conspired against them to withhold sex and love that they believe they ‘deserve’ as men.
They’re often obnoxious loners.
Several have committed quite nasty murders and terrorist attacks. "
Jesus fuck!  I’ve some needy people on my Facebook but I hope to hell none of them are like that |
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Now this is seriously freaky. I've literally just had something very very similar to this , in my inbox! No joke, was awful. Will admit, I've just had to Google as to what this actually meant. |
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They’re horrible. Their whole ideology is disturbing.
I’ve read on Reddit, Gab & a few other sites simply out of curiosity and to find out more, I was genuinely shocked.
The one that stuck with me was a thread about how women who are r*ped deserve it and should be thankful as they’ve probably spent their lives turning men down and turning their nose up at guys they don’t find attractive, so it’s a form of revenge.
Sickening. |
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"They’re horrible. Their whole ideology is disturbing.
I’ve read on Reddit, Gab & a few other sites simply out of curiosity and to find out more, I was genuinely shocked.
The one that stuck with me was a thread about how women who are r*ped deserve it and should be thankful as they’ve probably spent their lives turning men down and turning their nose up at guys they don’t find attractive, so it’s a form of revenge.
Sickening. "
It’s absolutely appalling |
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over a year ago
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A woman friend zoned me. How dare she. She was nice to me. Why would she be nice to me if she doesn’t want to fuck me? I was nice to her, she owes me sex |
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It's like a lot of these groups forming in modern society. Made up mainly of lonely, socially awkward, rudderless people being made to feel like they belong to something. All lead/influenced by a few properly dysfunctional dangerous people. Most just need help and a bit more acceptance,some just locking away.
Society has a hand in it but is not to blame. |
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Incel types have always existed, they just used to become that weird guy with the alphabetically sorted porn collection that still lived with his mum. There'd be one or two in every town and on their own they would be anonymous and harmless.
The dark corners of the Internet have given these guys a place to congregate and share their ideas and become radicalised by genuine mysogynists.
The first time I came across them was during the 'gamergate' ho-har 4 or 5 years ago, when incels were weaponised by groups pushing back against a perceived feminist attack on the genuine sexism in video game culture. There were some horrific accounts of hate campaigns against women in the games industry.
Like all these groups though, especially on-line, once you know about them, they seem like a large organisation intent on disrupting normal polite society. In reality there is maybe a few hundred guys, they just have very loud voices and know how to use social media to amplify their views and radicalise disaffected teenage boys. Still that's a few hundred too many. |
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Terrifying subculture online where people can say the most outrageous things online to get attention. Whether they genuinely believe the shit they come out with, or are just desperate to find a place they feel like they belong I don’t know.
I’ve read incel forums before and the things that are said are so extreme and disgusting.
To me, it seems as though they radicalise vulnerable men. |
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"Terrifying subculture online where people can say the most outrageous things online to get attention. Whether they genuinely believe the shit they come out with, or are just desperate to find a place they feel like they belong I don’t know.
I’ve read incel forums before and the things that are said are so extreme and disgusting.
To me, it seems as though they radicalise vulnerable men. "
Don't you think that giving them the oxygen of publicity and discussion gives them more power than they would otherwise have and somehow legitimises them .?
I for one had never heard of them before today. I know a few guys who are disaffected by the imbalance of particularly divorce but other legitimate areas too.(and yes I appreciate women probably have more to contend with than men) If I were of that mind I could now go join one of their websites and, yes possibly be indoctrinated. Sounds to me though like they should be treated the same way as other extremist organisations. |
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"Terrifying subculture online where people can say the most outrageous things online to get attention. Whether they genuinely believe the shit they come out with, or are just desperate to find a place they feel like they belong I don’t know.
I’ve read incel forums before and the things that are said are so extreme and disgusting.
To me, it seems as though they radicalise vulnerable men.
Don't you think that giving them the oxygen of publicity and discussion gives them more power than they would otherwise have and somehow legitimises them .?
I for one had never heard of them before today. I know a few guys who are disaffected by the imbalance of particularly divorce but other legitimate areas too.(and yes I appreciate women probably have more to contend with than men) If I were of that mind I could now go join one of their websites and, yes possibly be indoctrinated. Sounds to me though like they should be treated the same way as other extremist organisations. "
No. I think calling them out and showing how damaging certain mindsets can be, especially to young men, is needed. Brushing something under the rug doesn’t make it less real, it just means it goes unmonitored. Rather than leave boys and men to find those online communities and have their heads filled with hate, it would be good to allow them to find support through other channels. |
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I find incels genuinely terrifying. There are quite a lot on here I think, judging by some of the awful messages I’ve had.
To whoever said incels have mental health problems, some might but definitely not all and it’s not a good idea to put it down to mental illness as it both absolves them of blame for the way they are, and is harmful for genuinely mentally ill people.
Someone else said women can be incels too - they literally can’t as according to incel ideology women can never be involuntarily celibate as we have all the power when it comes to sex. They specifically exclude women from being able to be incels.
Personally, I was “involuntarily celibate” for 12 years and in all that time managed not to r*pe or murder anyone because of it. It’s entirely possible to not have sex for no fault of your own and not turn into a dangerously entitled extremist. I think there are a lot of people on here who can agree with that from their own experience. |
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"Terrifying subculture online where people can say the most outrageous things online to get attention. Whether they genuinely believe the shit they come out with, or are just desperate to find a place they feel like they belong I don’t know.
I’ve read incel forums before and the things that are said are so extreme and disgusting.
To me, it seems as though they radicalise vulnerable men.
Don't you think that giving them the oxygen of publicity and discussion gives them more power than they would otherwise have and somehow legitimises them .?
I for one had never heard of them before today. I know a few guys who are disaffected by the imbalance of particularly divorce but other legitimate areas too.(and yes I appreciate women probably have more to contend with than men) If I were of that mind I could now go join one of their websites and, yes possibly be indoctrinated. Sounds to me though like they should be treated the same way as other extremist organisations.
No. I think calling them out and showing how damaging certain mindsets can be, especially to young men, is needed. Brushing something under the rug doesn’t make it less real, it just means it goes unmonitored. Rather than leave boys and men to find those online communities and have their heads filled with hate, it would be good to allow them to find support through other channels. "
Couldn’t agree more.
You don’t solve things by brushing it under the carpet.
People need to be aware. |
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"So I never understood what this word meant, but I know use reddit and Jesus Christ.
The whole blue pill thing, waifus, ‘voluntarily celibate but it’s not really voluntarily’ and god, just everything.
Certainly opened my eyes, I’m so bloody ignorant to a lot of things.
What’s your opinion on them? Are you one? Do you know one? Do you think they’re treated fairly or unfairly?
I hope I’m not offending anyone, this whole ‘incel’ thing is reaaaaaaally new to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I knew men who ‘fit into’ the incel category, but I didn’t realise just how big it was"
Sorry I’m a bit thick Can you define Incel  |
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"I find incels genuinely terrifying. There are quite a lot on here I think, judging by some of the awful messages I’ve had.
To whoever said incels have mental health problems, some might but definitely not all and it’s not a good idea to put it down to mental illness as it both absolves them of blame for the way they are, and is harmful for genuinely mentally ill people.
Someone else said women can be incels too - they literally can’t as according to incel ideology women can never be involuntarily celibate as we have all the power when it comes to sex. They specifically exclude women from being able to be incels.
Personally, I was “involuntarily celibate” for 12 years and in all that time managed not to r*pe or murder anyone because of it. It’s entirely possible to not have sex for no fault of your own and not turn into a dangerously entitled extremist. I think there are a lot of people on here who can agree with that from their own experience."
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"So I never understood what this word meant, but I know use reddit and Jesus Christ.
The whole blue pill thing, waifus, ‘voluntarily celibate but it’s not really voluntarily’ and god, just everything.
Certainly opened my eyes, I’m so bloody ignorant to a lot of things.
What’s your opinion on them? Are you one? Do you know one? Do you think they’re treated fairly or unfairly?
I hope I’m not offending anyone, this whole ‘incel’ thing is reaaaaaaally new to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I knew men who ‘fit into’ the incel category, but I didn’t realise just how big it was"
Isnt a Waifu just a girl you really fancy? I'm pretty well versed in internet lol and that's what I know it as. It stems comes Anime/Hentai.
More than likely is some crossover with incels and watching Hentai though as they do seem to like the body pillows lol! |
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"So I never understood what this word meant, but I know use reddit and Jesus Christ.
The whole blue pill thing, waifus, ‘voluntarily celibate but it’s not really voluntarily’ and god, just everything.
Certainly opened my eyes, I’m so bloody ignorant to a lot of things.
What’s your opinion on them? Are you one? Do you know one? Do you think they’re treated fairly or unfairly?
I hope I’m not offending anyone, this whole ‘incel’ thing is reaaaaaaally new to me.
Don’t get me wrong, I knew men who ‘fit into’ the incel category, but I didn’t realise just how big it was
Isnt a Waifu just a girl you really fancy? I'm pretty well versed in internet lol and that's what I know it as. It stems comes Anime/Hentai.
More than likely is some crossover with incels and watching Hentai though as they do seem to like the body pillows lol! "
It does tend to be a virtual girlfriend, pillow girlfriend etc |
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Incels are generally narcissistic, who can't believe that women aren't queueing up to sleep with them, so it must be a plot.
Rather than doing something about their appearance or personality, e.g. lose weight and get fit, or learn a musical instrument, or perhaps get involved with a social hobby or even just mix in social circles, they feel that 'being nice' should lead to sex.
I blame porn for giving them too much stimulation and unrealistic expectations.
(I like porn, and have done some freaky stuff in my time, but I do know the difference between entertainment and reality) |
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"I find incels genuinely terrifying. There are quite a lot on here I think, judging by some of the awful messages I’ve had.
To whoever said incels have mental health problems, some might but definitely not all and it’s not a good idea to put it down to mental illness as it both absolves them of blame for the way they are, and is harmful for genuinely mentally ill people.
Someone else said women can be incels too - they literally can’t as according to incel ideology women can never be involuntarily celibate as we have all the power when it comes to sex. They specifically exclude women from being able to be incels.
Personally, I was “involuntarily celibate” for 12 years and in all that time managed not to r*pe or murder anyone because of it. It’s entirely possible to not have sex for no fault of your own and not turn into a dangerously entitled extremist. I think there are a lot of people on here who can agree with that from their own experience."
Some of these people have found their way into the far right militias like the proud boys. Which isn't surprising considering their support for the orange misogynist... |
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"Incels are generally narcissistic, who can't believe that women aren't queueing up to sleep with them, so it must be a plot.
Rather than doing something about their appearance or personality, e.g. lose weight and get fit, or learn a musical instrument, or perhaps get involved with a social hobby or even just mix in social circles, they feel that 'being nice' should lead to sex.
I blame porn for giving them too much stimulation and unrealistic expectations.
(I like porn, and have done some freaky stuff in my time, but I do know the difference between entertainment and reality)"
A lot of them don’t even believe they should be nice, they think they’re entitled to sex just because they exist, and with the best looking women to boot - they’re aren’t interested in fat or less attractive women. Many of them believe that sex should be forcibly “redistributed” - meaning that attractive women should be basically “given” to them and required to have sex with them. |
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"I find incels genuinely terrifying. There are quite a lot on here I think, judging by some of the awful messages I’ve had.
To whoever said incels have mental health problems, some might but definitely not all and it’s not a good idea to put it down to mental illness as it both absolves them of blame for the way they are, and is harmful for genuinely mentally ill people.
Someone else said women can be incels too - they literally can’t as according to incel ideology women can never be involuntarily celibate as we have all the power when it comes to sex. They specifically exclude women from being able to be incels.
Personally, I was “involuntarily celibate” for 12 years and in all that time managed not to r*pe or murder anyone because of it. It’s entirely possible to not have sex for no fault of your own and not turn into a dangerously entitled extremist. I think there are a lot of people on here who can agree with that from their own experience.
Some of these people have found their way into the far right militias like the proud boys. Which isn't surprising considering their support for the orange misogynist..."
I dont want to get into an arguement on here. But the Proud Boys are not Far Right. They are right wing yes but that isn't the same thing
Was literally a group made as joke By Gavin Mcinnes, the guy who started Vice News.
If they are a Militia then so are groups like Rose City Antifa. |
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"I dont want to get into an arguement on here. But the Proud Boys are not Far Right. They are right wing yes but that isn't the same thing
Was literally a group made as joke By Gavin Mcinnes, the guy who started Vice News.
If they are a Militia then so are groups like Rose City Antifa. "
If you don't want to get into an argument then why talk crap? They are literally a militia.
Gavin McInnes claims to have created it as a joke because he's following a playbook by which you pretend everything is a joke. That's part of the success of the alt-right - spreading hate under the guise of irony and "dark jokes". It's deliberate. |
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"I dont want to get into an arguement on here. But the Proud Boys are not Far Right. They are right wing yes but that isn't the same thing
Was literally a group made as joke By Gavin Mcinnes, the guy who started Vice News.
If they are a Militia then so are groups like Rose City Antifa.
If you don't want to get into an argument then why talk crap? They are literally a militia.
Gavin McInnes claims to have created it as a joke because he's following a playbook by which you pretend everything is a joke. That's part of the success of the alt-right - spreading hate under the guise of irony and "dark jokes". It's deliberate."
Because I am not talking crap
Alt right with a black Cuban as a leader yeah? With members multiple ethnic backgrounds. Yeah sounds alot like the alt right that want a white ethno state doesn't it.
All Gavin Mcinnes is is a professional troll that winds people like you up.
Tbh the people I see spouting the most hate and prejudice seem to be the ones who think they fight against it |
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Through history there have always been people who were able to make a minority of disaffected people come togther.
The internet has made this easier and increased the number of 'extreme' groups who feel that society or elements within society are to blame for their complaints. Extremist ideologies, whether they be social, political, religious etc are by their nature mostly abhorrent to the majority.
This is a structural weakness of a free society and we need to find the tools to prevent and combat these. Vulnerable people are often manipulated and exploited by these groups. Education, social care and mental health services are so important. Many people are easily radicalised because of mental health issues and or they feel left out by society. Extremist groups offer a 'family' that seems to understand and care for them. We need to catch those people before they fall to prey to being manipulated and radicalised |
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Something we find interesting about the incel movement is that it was actually started by a woman. She created the term and created an area for anybody who felt they could not get into a relationship could share their thoughts and experiences. It was principally aimed at women.
Over time it was hijacked by men who turned it into a excuse for misogyny. The original founder left and it was taken over by angry men who deemed themselves entitled to sex and encouraged each other to believe that women should put out for them. Prominent charlatans like Jordan Peterson have stoked the flames too.
It seems to us that when women originally identified as incels they turned in on themselves. They thought it was their own faultfor being unattractive. The men who followed have turned it outward and blame women rather than themselves. They don't consider that they may be unattractive to women and could do something about it. |
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"Something we find interesting about the incel movement is that it was actually started by a woman. She created the term and created an area for anybody who felt they could not get into a relationship could share their thoughts and experiences. It was principally aimed at women.
Over time it was hijacked by men who turned it into a excuse for misogyny. The original founder left and it was taken over by angry men who deemed themselves entitled to sex and encouraged each other to believe that women should put out for them. Prominent charlatans like Jordan Peterson have stoked the flames too.
It seems to us that when women originally identified as incels they turned in on themselves. They thought it was their own faultfor being unattractive. The men who followed have turned it outward and blame women rather than themselves. They don't consider that they may be unattractive to women and could do something about it. "
I didn’t know that part about the origins, but from my own experience I think you’re right about women turning it inwards. I know I did. I assumed that there was something wrong with me - that I was undesirable, or that my desire for sex was abnormal, or both. It never crossed my mind to think it was a problem with the world and I was a victim of it (which of course it shouldn’t). |
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"Something we find interesting about the incel movement is that it was actually started by a woman. She created the term and created an area for anybody who felt they could not get into a relationship could share their thoughts and experiences. It was principally aimed at women.
Over time it was hijacked by men who turned it into a excuse for misogyny. The original founder left and it was taken over by angry men who deemed themselves entitled to sex and encouraged each other to believe that women should put out for them. Prominent charlatans like Jordan Peterson have stoked the flames too.
It seems to us that when women originally identified as incels they turned in on themselves. They thought it was their own faultfor being unattractive. The men who followed have turned it outward and blame women rather than themselves. They don't consider that they may be unattractive to women and could do something about it.
I didn’t know that part about the origins, but from my own experience I think you’re right about women turning it inwards. I know I did. I assumed that there was something wrong with me - that I was undesirable, or that my desire for sex was abnormal, or both. It never crossed my mind to think it was a problem with the world and I was a victim of it (which of course it shouldn’t)."
I was going to stay out of this thread but... Me too. I did this too. I cursed myself, I beat myself up, I withdrew. No one would ever want me because I'm not good enough.
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"Something we find interesting about the incel movement is that it was actually started by a woman. She created the term and created an area for anybody who felt they could not get into a relationship could share their thoughts and experiences. It was principally aimed at women.
Over time it was hijacked by men who turned it into a excuse for misogyny. The original founder left and it was taken over by angry men who deemed themselves entitled to sex and encouraged each other to believe that women should put out for them. Prominent charlatans like Jordan Peterson have stoked the flames too.
It seems to us that when women originally identified as incels they turned in on themselves. They thought it was their own faultfor being unattractive. The men who followed have turned it outward and blame women rather than themselves. They don't consider that they may be unattractive to women and could do something about it.
I didn’t know that part about the origins, but from my own experience I think you’re right about women turning it inwards. I know I did. I assumed that there was something wrong with me - that I was undesirable, or that my desire for sex was abnormal, or both. It never crossed my mind to think it was a problem with the world and I was a victim of it (which of course it shouldn’t)."
This is not uncommon in my experience. Many women have a very low opinion of themselves, especially how they look. I (Luke) find it very sad.
In 20s I would have identified as an incel if the term had existed, but I thought it was an issue with me. It would never have occurred to me that I was entitled to a relationship or sex. I just thought nobody was interested.
Curiously it wasn't until after I got married that I worked out how to engage with women and that there were plenty who found me attractive.
I think some things can demonstrate to people that they are attractive, such as swinging. Naturism is also great for body confidence. When my OH Hannah first came to a naturist place with me she was nervous about her body, but she saw all sorts there - young and old, big and small, pristine and scarred - and she never looked back. |
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I think some things can demonstrate to people that they are attractive, such as swinging. Naturism is also great for body confidence. When my OH Hannah first came to a naturist place with me she was nervous about her body, but she saw all sorts there - young and old, big and small, pristine and scarred - and she never looked back. "
That’s exactly what this site has done for me, I do feel more confident now that I did when I joined. I’m not sure it would necessarily work for most incels though! |
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"Something we find interesting about the incel movement is that it was actually started by a woman. She created the term and created an area for anybody who felt they could not get into a relationship could share their thoughts and experiences. It was principally aimed at women.
Over time it was hijacked by men who turned it into a excuse for misogyny. The original founder left and it was taken over by angry men who deemed themselves entitled to sex and encouraged each other to believe that women should put out for them. Prominent charlatans like Jordan Peterson have stoked the flames too.
It seems to us that when women originally identified as incels they turned in on themselves. They thought it was their own faultfor being unattractive. The men who followed have turned it outward and blame women rather than themselves. They don't consider that they may be unattractive to women and could do something about it. "
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