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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering." We suspect in theory they probably are although as far as we aware this has not been challenged using the legal system. In the unlikely event this was upheld, clubs would more than likely increase membership prices for single women and couples, rather than dropping the price for single males. This was seen recently with the car insurance issue. Not sure people will be queuing up to drag this through the courts though..... | |||
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" We all know why single blokes tend to be charged more entry/membership its to regulate the numbers & deter idiots " If this is true it definitely isn't working. My experience of swingers clubs suggests to me that idiots have money too and that they aren't in short supply. The only way to regulate numbers and deter idiots is to not let them in. | |||
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"Just wonder if females were being charged more than males whether this would be acceptable." It would if clubs were full of single females with only a few males in sight  | |||
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"Oh good god the lack of common sense displayed on these forums is just insane at times. " If you don't mind, I'm going to copy this to add to the posts that seem to be appearing of late! 
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"Just wonder if females were being charged more than males whether this would be acceptable." . You would have a club full of men. | |||
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" We all know why single blokes tend to be charged more entry/membership its to regulate the numbers & deter idiots If this is true it definitely isn't working. My experience of swingers clubs suggests to me that idiots have money too and that they aren't in short supply. The only way to regulate numbers and deter idiots is to not let them in. " I was just giving an example of why they do it. The bottom line is to make money of course and with the large numbers of blokes it's simple market forces supply and demand. This is about unfair/differential in pricing. I was making no judgement on when whether it works to regulate numbers & not statement on whether I agree with it. Of course some idiots have money & vice versa. Of course to regulate numbers & deter idiots is not to let them in in the first place. But this is about prices. (And yes if there was too many single men in a club, no offence, we wouldn't go, so if there is a string of men wanting in then they are going to get charged a premium rate at peak times. There are times where men are charged less when the demand is higher for them ie greedy girls or when there is a social etc etc. | |||
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"I think any private club, of any sort, can charge what they like to who ever they want when they want for what they want as long as people are prepared to pay it. It's simple supply & demand. Also clubs have to make money. We all know why single blokes tend to be charged more entry/membership its to regulate the numbers & deter idiots making it more comfortable for couples/single women. There are other reasons to but I guess they are the main ones. But not all clubs do it & a lot of clubs have non membership days, socials etc. As for taking it to the courts, yeah that just we need swingers & clubs being dragged through the courts & media, undercover journos etc. People would stop going I know we would. Clubs and swingers won't thank you for it. x" in short yes! swinging clubs are not by definition private clubs as they are open to everyone. the Equality Act legislation brought in in October 2010 clearly defines what constitutes private clubs form others and what you're looking at in reality is more than 25 members. you cannot discriminate between the sexes on pricing although you can offer a reduced cost but only for a specified time period to encourage people to come to your club. its available online. the problem is that clubs know only to well that the likely hood of someone going to their local auth/trading standards to complain because of the nature of the club is sadly unlikely...so the will continue to allegedly flout this piece of legislation until the day someone grows some balls and says enough is enough.. just wonder if they would be fined retrospectively to the date of the legislation as pleading ignorance is not a defense as we all know. my feeling is that they continue to do it because they know they can and they have a captive audience who despite allegedly being robbed blind and being discriminated against don't want to risk their membership, so I'll continue to pay until someone else says sod it! they do need to get their houses in order because it will happen.. | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering." It probably is illegal, on grounds of sexual discrimination, but please don't try to get things changed, as there are too few women in clubs as it is  | |||
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"Oh good god the lack of common sense displayed on these forums is just insane at times. Clubs are a business and a business needs to make money to survive, even if its a non profit it needs to cover renovations, rent, council tax, rates, licenses, staff etc etc Now I'm not sure if any of you have noticed but, single men make up around 75% of the population of a swinging site and outside of that in the greater "swinging" world the ratio will not be much less. The core critical fact is single guys are where the "money" is to bring them in you NEED the women and the couples (hence the reduced rates for those), if men are willing to pay the price then thats what they are going to get charged, its fairly simple economics. Instead of railing against the clubs do it against the men willing to pay because if you all decided to stop paying what you see as an unfair rate then the clubs would be forced to reduce it to survive, but we all know that wont happen. " yay! lets all boycott with banners our local clubs for discrimination! great idea! love the examples being given of market forces dictating discrimination and people actively agreeing with it.. | |||
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"I spoke to a club owner of this and his stance was that he would be forced to simply only allow couples and people on a "guest list" which would consist of single girls. If legislation came in. It is unfair but it just about works at the moment. I see why it keeps the casual male off the street out but it does nothing to stop the idiots as in simple terms idiots have money too. " if legislation came in? have another word with them its been here since 2010 | |||
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" If you don't mind, I'm going to copy this to add to the posts that seem to be appearing of late!
Nothing further to add really! "Feel free, I am honestly concerned that some of the posters here are allowed to have sex by law, its scary. | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering. It probably is illegal, on grounds of sexual discrimination, but please don't try to get things changed, as there are too few women in clubs as it is "as long as I'm alright jack! | |||
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"Here's something to think about then, what if 2 men got a couples membership between them? "not allowed as far as im aware. | |||
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"Here's something to think about then, what if 2 men got a couples membership between them?
not allowed as far as im aware.
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" "Well its not or single guys would just abuse and circumvent the "couples only" nights. I know the caveat to this is gay/bisexual male couples but I dont know what happens here I assume its one rule for all as what are you going to do ? test if they really are a couple and are gay/bisexual before they come in | |||
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"Here's something to think about then, what if 2 men got a couples membership between them?
not allowed as far as im aware.
"That'd probably be liable to legal challenge, private club or not. | |||
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"If the law was change it would just either close the club or the owners would make them couples only private clubs with a closed membership and that is legal " more info please... you need to check out the legislation before assuming your comments to be correct | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering." swingers live in an open minded world closed to the outside ,like it or not, pls dont bring polical correctness in here pls nobody needs it | |||
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"Equality legislation makes it illegal to differentiate based on gender. For comparison what if it was £10 for whites £30 for non–whites? That would quite rightly cause an outrage. A subtle difference is lower pricing for couples & females attracts those people rather than higher pricing to deter men. You could possibly skirt the law by offering discount vouchers to certain people at your discretion. Perhaps they could advertise on Groupon "The Sex Discrimination Act of October 1st 2010 states: The Sex Discrimination Act makes it unlawful for anyone who provides goods, facilities or services to the PUBLIC, to treat women less favourably than men (and vice versa). This applies even if the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. Examples of the goods, facilities and services covered are: access to and use of the facilities in PUBLIC places such as hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, pubs, recreation centres, etc financial facilities provided by banks, credit card companies, stores, insurance companies, building societies, local authorities, etc facilities for education, eg for various kinds of professional or vocational training, or certain adult education classes (regular education in schools and universities etc is mostly dealt with under the education sections of the Sex Discrimination Act) any public transport facilities, or travel or transport facilities offered by private companies or travel agents, and any of the services offered by local authorities. So, service providers cannot advertise discriminatory facilities or services on offer to women and men. For example, it would be unlawful for a nightclub to offer free admission to women while men have to pay. ----- Swingers Clubs are PRIVATE venue's and the above legislation does not apply. | |||
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"Equality legislation makes it illegal to differentiate based on gender. For comparison what if it was £10 for whites £30 for non–whites? That would quite rightly cause an outrage. A subtle difference is lower pricing for couples & females attracts those people rather than higher pricing to deter men. You could possibly skirt the law by offering discount vouchers to certain people at your discretion. Perhaps they could advertise on Groupon
The Sex Discrimination Act of October 1st 2010 states:
The Sex Discrimination Act makes it unlawful for anyone who provides goods, facilities or services to the PUBLIC, to treat women less favourably than men (and vice versa). This applies even if the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. Examples of the goods, facilities and services covered are:
access to and use of the facilities in PUBLIC places such as hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, pubs, recreation centres, etc
financial facilities provided by banks, credit card companies, stores, insurance companies, building societies, local authorities, etc
facilities for education, eg for various kinds of professional or vocational training, or certain adult education classes (regular education in schools and universities etc is mostly dealt with under the education sections of the Sex Discrimination Act)
any public transport facilities, or travel or transport facilities offered by private companies or travel agents, and
any of the services offered by local authorities.
So, service providers cannot advertise discriminatory facilities or services on offer to women and men. For example, it would be unlawful for a nightclub to offer free admission to women while men have to pay.
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Swingers Clubs are PRIVATE venue's and the above legislation does not apply."Private members’ clubs When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees. The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only. Example A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful. A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee. When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender. | |||
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"Equality legislation makes it illegal to differentiate based on gender. For comparison what if it was £10 for whites £30 for non–whites? That would quite rightly cause an outrage. A subtle difference is lower pricing for couples & females attracts those people rather than higher pricing to deter men. You could possibly skirt the law by offering discount vouchers to certain people at your discretion. Perhaps they could advertise on Groupon
The Sex Discrimination Act of October 1st 2010 states:
The Sex Discrimination Act makes it unlawful for anyone who provides goods, facilities or services to the PUBLIC, to treat women less favourably than men (and vice versa). This applies even if the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. Examples of the goods, facilities and services covered are:
access to and use of the facilities in PUBLIC places such as hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, pubs, recreation centres, etc
financial facilities provided by banks, credit card companies, stores, insurance companies, building societies, local authorities, etc
facilities for education, eg for various kinds of professional or vocational training, or certain adult education classes (regular education in schools and universities etc is mostly dealt with under the education sections of the Sex Discrimination Act)
any public transport facilities, or travel or transport facilities offered by private companies or travel agents, and
any of the services offered by local authorities.
So, service providers cannot advertise discriminatory facilities or services on offer to women and men. For example, it would be unlawful for a nightclub to offer free admission to women while men have to pay.
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Swingers Clubs are PRIVATE venue's and the above legislation does not apply.
Private members’ clubs
When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.
The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.
Example
A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.
A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.
When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.
"http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/your-rights/gender/sex-discrimination-as-a-consumer/sex-discrimination-as-a-consumer-your-rights/ | |||
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"Equality legislation makes it illegal to differentiate based on gender. For comparison what if it was £10 for whites £30 for non–whites? That would quite rightly cause an outrage. A subtle difference is lower pricing for couples & females attracts those people rather than higher pricing to deter men. You could possibly skirt the law by offering discount vouchers to certain people at your discretion. Perhaps they could advertise on Groupon
The Sex Discrimination Act of October 1st 2010 states:
The Sex Discrimination Act makes it unlawful for anyone who provides goods, facilities or services to the PUBLIC, to treat women less favourably than men (and vice versa). This applies even if the goods, facilities or services are provided free of charge. Examples of the goods, facilities and services covered are:
access to and use of the facilities in PUBLIC places such as hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, pubs, recreation centres, etc
financial facilities provided by banks, credit card companies, stores, insurance companies, building societies, local authorities, etc
facilities for education, eg for various kinds of professional or vocational training, or certain adult education classes (regular education in schools and universities etc is mostly dealt with under the education sections of the Sex Discrimination Act)
any public transport facilities, or travel or transport facilities offered by private companies or travel agents, and
any of the services offered by local authorities.
So, service providers cannot advertise discriminatory facilities or services on offer to women and men. For example, it would be unlawful for a nightclub to offer free admission to women while men have to pay.
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Swingers Clubs are PRIVATE venue's and the above legislation does not apply.
Private members’ clubs
When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.
The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.
Example
A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.
A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.
When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/your-rights/gender/sex-discrimination-as-a-consumer/sex-discrimination-as-a-consumer-your-rights/"http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/equalities/equality-act-publications/equality-act-guidance/private-clubs?view=Binary | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering." no that are not breakin the law..... they are allowed to under the "positive discrimination" section, where they are allowed to do it if they can show if certain groups would be under-represented otherwise... | |||
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"could it then be said its breaking the law by only allowing couple/fem nights" Probably not but it might fall foul of the definition of 'couple'. Remember the boarding house owner who got fined for denying accomodation to a two-male gay couple? | |||
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"Just wonder if females were being charged more than males whether this would be acceptable.. You would have a club full of men." I think its are called the blue oyster bar (police academy) | |||
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"It is illegal, and also should they attempt to charge those with gender reassignment a fee that is discriminatory to them. One club even proudly advertised that they would check genitals, which was a red rag to a bull, when I learned of it. As a female, I expect equal and fair pricing and dislike anyone being charged such that they are displaced and discriminated against." it is not illegal that is the fact and the simple thing is no amount of moaning, whining and trying to come up with things is going to make it illegal, the simple choice is if you dont want to pay the membership and entry fee then dont go and leave the rest that enjoy going and are willing to pay the fees to keep going, no one is forcing you to go. | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering. no that are not breakin the law..... they are allowed to under the "positive discrimination" section, where they are allowed to do it if they can show if certain groups would be under-represented otherwise..." Positive descrimination is allowed for a time driven period eg A 3 - 6 month reduction if charges reverting to full price there after | |||
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"It is not illegal. The clubs are using a Defence contained in the Equality Act known as the "objective justification" defence also known as "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". They will say that women are under-represented in the clubs and men are over-represented and that their legitimate aim is to have an equal balance of men and women in the club which is what their customers want. The proportionate means of achieving this is to offer a cheaper entry price for women." The same argument was used by nightclubs/bars and they cannot now offer reduced rates. Many swingers clubs open or have social nights when any one can attend therefor you are offering your services to members of the public. Private clubs as some like to think they are also cannot differentiate on the grounds of sex. They can however redress an imbalance in genders by: Reduction of charges for a time driven period ie 3, 6 months but the fees must return to the normal charges. This is positive discrimination. You can no longer be charged a lesser or greater cost for car insurance based on gender as an example. It comes down to people wanting to make as much as they can out of a captive audience who probably aren't always thinking with their brains, and never will where sex is concerned. The argument it's to entice more single ladies (I've even been told by an owner that its also because single men aren't honest about being single! Well that works 2 ways) that I cannot remember going to any club and thinking hmmm there seems to be an equal number of single girls as men tonight! Taking it to the next level that must mean on a couples night when single ladies are aloud that men are then out numbered? | |||
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"answer is in supply and demand . Like any business they charge what they think people will pay thats life i am affraid" No excuse, 5 live today reported that the speed advisory lights and cameras on certain motorways since around 2009 - dec 2012 have not been correctly 'configured' according to the road signage rules, Warwickshire and west mids police have not been perusing convictions in the last 12 months because they felt the law was un safe. This means that those convicted of speeding offences in those roads with this style of signs could possibly have their conviction quashed and fines reimbursed etc However, some listeners called, texted saying you new the speed and therefor you're guilty. Well the rules/signs have to be correct and this is 'strictly' enforced and therefor if the signs are incorrect you have not broken the law. Strictly is the key word. It's even being suggested that the signs have an unbroken red circle around the advised speed and digital signs lights cannot make an unbroken circle. The rules are also there to prevent anyone putting up their own signs are fining you what they like. These rules are there for everyone's protection. Business need to be creative in their thinking if they want to make money and survive and not just choose what they think is the easiest and possibly/aledgedly illegal option. | |||
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"It is illegal, and also should they attempt to charge those with gender reassignment a fee that is discriminatory to them. One club even proudly advertised that they would check genitals, which was a red rag to a bull, when I learned of it. As a female, I expect equal and fair pricing and dislike anyone being charged such that they are displaced and discriminated against. it is not illegal that is the fact and the simple thing is no amount of moaning, whining and trying to come up with things is going to make it illegal, the simple choice is if you dont want to pay the membership and entry fee then dont go and leave the rest that enjoy going and are willing to pay the fees to keep going, no one is forcing you to go." Moaning? Interesting response! Was it just moaning that stopped race discrimination, votes for women, equal pay for women, sex discrimination. The right for women to be recognised in inheritance. | |||
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"Some things in life a re not fair. I would rather pay more and have a balance of couples single males and females than have a club full of single males." What's a balance in your opinion | |||
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"I really do hope hope that no one ever tries to enforce it through a court .... for the single guys sake. The only clubs that will be left open to single guys are the clubs that employ ladies to be there. All the others will revert to couples only or simply close down. Where cost is involved there is not a single case (except wages) where female/male equality is enforced that anybody has gained anything. OAP bus passes- Females now get their bus pass at 65 the same as the men instead of 60 Car insurance-Females now pay the same as men where they used to pay less. The simple fact is that no matter how much people ague the point, at the end of the day, the single guys are NOT going to get in for same price that single females currently pay. Best case scenario is that single females will be charged £40 and will stop going. Worst case is that singles will be banned from clubs. " Very well put. 100% agree.  | |||
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" clubs around us are on a drive for good looking "young" singles, and that would rule them both out. " Hope I'm never single again, on that basis I would be well and truly bolloxed | |||
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Best solution, put prices up across the board by 200% but make them equal as per the OP's suggestion. Then give out prizes. We'd be there to watch the ladies win. | |||
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"Think these two guys from Stoke must drink together and bemoan their lot. Can I just point out, they probably wouldn't be able to join many swing clubs on the basis of age either, clubs around us are on a drive for good looking "young" singles, and that would rule them both out. Maybe its time to stop trying to kill clubs off and take up dogging!" Ouch!! | |||
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"Ouch, someone from above list has just hinted Trading Standards might be knocking in an email to us. "That would be very sad indeed. | |||
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"Ouch, someone from above list has just hinted Trading Standards might be knocking in an email to us. "Bet they don't
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"Ouch, someone from above list has just hinted Trading Standards might be knocking in an email to us.
Bet they don't
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Trading Standards have no responsibility for enforcing sex discrimination law. The only complaint against you they might consider would be one of deceptive pricing. As long as you have been clear and consistent in your pricing there would be no case to answer. "Agreed. The Equality and Human Rights Commission are the folks who deal with treating one gender differently from another. | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering." im sure if they was breaking the law they wouldn't be allowed to do it Club go thro many checks, by the council, police etc if they was breaking any laws in anyway they would be closed down So im guessing no this isn't breaking any law As private members clubs they can charge what they like, its different to a public club where anyone can go in | |||
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"Are swinging clubs breaking the law by not charging the same rates for males and females? I know why they do it, but was just wondering. im sure if they was breaking the law they wouldn't be allowed to do it Club go thro many checks, by the council, police etc if they was breaking any laws in anyway they would be closed down So im guessing no this isn't breaking any law As private members clubs they can charge what they like, its different to a public club where anyone can go in" I suspect clubs continue to get away with this because nobody has complained formally about it. That's probably because of the adverse publicity it'd bring down on the head of the complainant. | |||
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"Frankly, the only reason anyone would bring such a case is because they have a grudge? Do they think that clubs would survive ? " You only have to read the profiles and check the posts to see that 'having a grudge' isn't that uncommon in swinging circles. | |||
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"Next people will to to complaining to zoos, safari parks and the like, moaning how children pay a cheaper price than adults!!!! "OMG blatant agism | |||
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"Ouch, someone from above list has just hinted Trading Standards might be knocking in an email to us.
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"It is not illegal. The clubs are using a Defence contained in the Equality Act known as the "objective justification" defence also known as "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". They will say that women are under-represented in the clubs and men are over-represented and that their legitimate aim is to have an equal balance of men and women in the club which is what their customers want. The proportionate means of achieving this is to offer a cheaper entry price for women." this is known as positive action and whilst they can offer a reduced fee/charge it is time driven and has to revert back to the normal/usual charge from then on, a reduction for up to 6 months.. Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. What has changed? Previous legislation outlawed discrimination by associations against existing or potential members and associates because of race, disability and sexual orientation. The Act extends this protection to gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, religion or belief and sex | |||
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"Ok so go ahead and make your complaint and force clubs to change their pricing structures to please the whinging single males out there. But then when the clubs are just full of said whinging single males and no females, stand back and congratulate yourself on a job well done! "I'd have thought anyone chosing to go down that road would already be aware that's the likely outcome (and that the club would close) and be quite content. I may have said this above but I suspect the only thing stopping this from having happened already, assuming it hasn't, is the fear of personal exposure. I believe folks in Glasgow seeking a similar outcome have merely resorted to anonymous complaints to the local community council, city councillors and police about matters such as parking or the proximity to a school or church. | |||
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"Ok so go ahead and make your complaint and force clubs to change their pricing structures to please the whinging single males out there. But then when the clubs are just full of said whinging single males and no females, stand back and congratulate yourself on a job well done! "That is exactly what they will do. It's a bit like the old union leaders in the 70's ( and a few still around today) saying we want a pay rise when the company is struggling to survive then congratulating themselves on standing by their principles as they sign on the dole. I've always said that turkeys don't vote for Christmas, but after reading some of the posts on this thread I am beginning to wonder. | |||
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"so the outcome is that these moaning single men would rather the clubs close by complaining about prices than have an excellant club scene with excellant facilities where many people enjoy many happy fun filled nights." And of course it will be done in the spirit of 'fairness' and 'equality'. Instead of concentrating their ire on true instances of inequality happening every day. Someone did make an interesting point earlier though - these places can't be being run without trading standards and local councils knowledge. And if they are OK with the prices then it must be because there is nothing illegal happening. | |||
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"Ok so go ahead and make your complaint and force clubs to change their pricing structures to please the whinging single males out there. But then when the clubs are just full of said whinging single males and no females, stand back and congratulate yourself on a job well done! "From a whinging female? lol good job your sisters whinged to get you the vote, equal pay........ | |||
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" From a whinging female? lol good job your sisters whinged to get you the vote, equal pay........" Yup the suffrage movement is equatable to entry price for a swinging club, well done you just won the internet. | |||
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"Of course they'll remain anonymous! That kind of whinging 'oh woe is me' person never has the guts to stand up and have the courage to admit what they've done! The world is full of them unfortunately "So when clubs had to change because of smoking rules how many closed? I bet plenty were pissed off though because they think their personal rights were being infringed on! Never mind the health of all the others who don't smoke and who want to have fun are told "if you don't like it don't go" well clubs have had to comply haven't they.. Why don't they all sell booze? Wonder how many have wheel chair access? Or would you object to that too? So we can expect you to stand up and say leave the charges alone and here's my name and address for the petition. Way to many as usual are more than happy when its in the favour. Something tells me someone was pissed off when their car insurance was no longer cheaper. Stacks of businesses, communities, countries have had to adapt to changes that involve equality and yes there are those that still object. | |||
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"think someone needs to grow up a bit mr, maybe this site is to grown up for you, get someone to collect your toys and put them back in the pram." Ha ha ha! Good to see that when peeps know they've lost an argument they revert to using childish remarks! lol ha ha ha! | |||
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" ........... Someone did make an interesting point earlier though - these places can't be being run without trading standards and local councils knowledge. And if they are OK with the prices then it must be because there is nothing illegal happening." That 'logic' isn't quite what it seems. It has zilch to do with Trading Standards (even where such departments still exist). The local authority is a different matter and here in Scotland the attitude varies considerably from one local authority to another. Local authorities base their decisions on what to licence on the basis of their perception of local attitudes + their understanding of what actually happens within the premises being licensed. Needless to say their knowledge of what goes on is often somewhat lacking. | |||
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" ......... we all know 2 thing would happen... clubs would go couples only... stay within law.... shoot single people in foot.. ................." That's pose questions as to what exactly constitutes a 'couple'. | |||
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" ........ There can only be negative effects from any attempt to involve the authorities. .................. " That's the crux of the matter. As I said above, the 'authorities' don't have much of a notion of what goes on in these places or, where they do, they prefer not to have their noses rubbed in it. If someone kicked up a stink about any aspect of clubs, it would open a huge can of worms. | |||
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"To be honest I go to clubs and have no issues with being charged more than a cple or fem. it is all a matter of keeping the money coming in and keeping the clubs going Most clubs do a cpls and fems only night or nights so if they don't want attention from men then they don't have to have it.. I would say that it's not men that are charged more but cpls and fems that are discounted as without them the men would not go.. " well said | |||
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"lost an argument lol, we will still go to our local club at the weekend pay the entry and have a fantastic night somewhere that isnt breaking any laws, you on the other hand have lost big style in more ways than one, you have just alienated yourself from a large proportion of potential meets on here aswell as proving you really do need to grow up. make a choice pal go along to a club pay the entry money and have a fantastic night, or choose not to go and try somehow rebuild a reputation on here, but please dont invent things to try spoil others fun, now that really is childish." You see this is where your attitude falls over, I do go to clubs and pay the door charge. However, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it, especially when there IS legislation against it. It really doesn't matter how much you try to insult with childish reterick. The legislation is there and it's been copied and pasted by others and once again I'll paste it so you no longer remain ignorant if the facts. You can mumble all you like about how single women would stop going and how clubs would close because its cods wallop! I really find it difficult to believe although I have my doubts that you're someone who believes that you as an individual have the right to be treated the same as others because your comments are baffling. So here it is again and it's taken from the government site, which sadly I cannot show the link as its against site rules to do so: Members and associates It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic – disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation. What has changed? Previous legislation outlawed discrimination by associations against existing or potential members and associates because of race, disability and sexual orientation.The Act extends this protection to gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, religion or belief and sex. Now you can either choose to read or go to the site and see for yourself it's up to you. I'd like to think that most people can see the sense and reasoning behind what is written and can see that at some it will happen. Blackpool Connections is a club which is starting to go in the right direction: Prices for the daytime are £12 for the guys, £17 a couple and £5 for females and £5 for tgirls Nightime prices for Thursday are £20 for a guy, £20 for couples and £5 for females and £5 tgirls Saturday prices are £25 for a guy, £25 for couples and £5 for females . Look them up on here. | |||
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"@_john121 Put this in a nutshell for you The price single guys pay will NOT come down. Best case scenario for single guys is that single women will have to pay the same as you. Worst case single guys are banned or the club closes (same result) There can only be negative effects from any attempt to involve the authorities. Look what happened when men objected to women getting cheaper car insurance or when men objected to women getting their OAP bus pass 5 years earlier. Women lost out and men gained nothing. I suppose you can say it is fairer but women lost out to make it so. " Answer me this do you believe you are any less of a person or have any lesser rights than to the person next to you or below or above in this thread. Should you be charged more or less for any service based on soley on your gender? Car insurance is an obvious example. If you answer yes to these, well there you go.... I do go to clubs I do pay the charges, doesn't mean I have to agree though does it, especially if it shouldn't be happening. | |||
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"@_john121 Put this in a nutshell for you The price single guys pay will NOT come down. Best case scenario for single guys is that single women will have to pay the same as you. Worst case single guys are banned or the club closes (same result) There can only be negative effects from any attempt to involve the authorities. Look what happened when men objected to women getting cheaper car insurance or when men objected to women getting their OAP bus pass 5 years earlier. Women lost out and men gained nothing. I suppose you can say it is fairer but women lost out to make it so. Answer me this do you believe you are any less of a person or have any lesser rights than to the person next to you or below or above in this thread. Should you be charged more or less for any service based on soley on your gender? Car insurance is an obvious example. If you answer yes to these, well there you go.... I do go to clubs I do pay the charges, doesn't mean I have to agree though does it, especially if it shouldn't be happening. " If you feel that strongly why do you continue to go and pay these inequitable charges? | |||
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"@_john121 Put this in a nutshell for you The price single guys pay will NOT come down. Best case scenario for single guys is that single women will have to pay the same as you. Worst case single guys are banned or the club closes (same result) There can only be negative effects from any attempt to involve the authorities. Look what happened when men objected to women getting cheaper car insurance or when men objected to women getting their OAP bus pass 5 years earlier. Women lost out and men gained nothing. I suppose you can say it is fairer but women lost out to make it so. Answer me this do you believe you are any less of a person or have any lesser rights than to the person next to you or below or above in this thread. Should you be charged more or less for any service based on soley on your gender? Car insurance is an obvious example. If you answer yes to these, well there you go.... I do go to clubs I do pay the charges, doesn't mean I have to agree though does it, especially if it shouldn't be happening. If you feel that strongly why do you continue to go and pay these inequitable charges?" I have to have car insurance to drive legally on the road. Do I believe I should pay more for it based on my gender what do you think? and guess what the laws have changed. Why do you think I go to a club? For the ambiance and the chance of getting together with like minded people...although I'll never eat the bar/finger food, I'm sure it's delicious but rarely have I seen anyone using hand sanitizer!!! lol and these same peeps play! Cough! Splutter!! I don't go every night, week or month; just as and when the mood takes. | |||
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" ............. Answer me this do you believe you are any less of a person or have any lesser rights than to the person next to you or below or above in this thread. Should you be charged more or less for any service based on soley on your gender? ............." I thought, correct me if I'm wrong, that club charges had nothing to with any 'service' offered or sought. That would be verging on illegality. | |||
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