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rapist Ched Evans yes or no ?
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By *arathoiMan
over a year ago
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He was convicted..
he served the sentence set by a judge
what more is there to say?
under the rehabilitation of offenders act the punishment has been done, and it would be illegal to refuse him employment on the basis of a past conviction provided that his employment did not contravene the DBS (disclosure and barring service) requirement.
this does not mean that it isnt in poor taste but a job is a job. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some Young children look upto footballers they become idols to them they also see them as someone they'd like to be when older so personally NO I don't think he should be allowed to play football again he committed a crime now he has to deal with the consequences of his actions |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personly there are a lot of innocent men in jail wrongfully convicted by the legal system and the pressures of the crown prosecution and police force getting a result. He still pleads innocent and I begin to wonder to be honest. Only him and her knows what went on that night and because he a footballer hes being slated. Nobody would give a toss if he was just a binman would they. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Personly there are a lot of innocent men in jail wrongfully convicted by the legal system and the pressures of the crown prosecution and police force getting a result. He still pleads innocent and I begin to wonder to be honest. Only him and her knows what went on that night and because he a footballer hes being slated. Nobody would give a toss if he was just a binman would they."
The video recording by the two lads outside the window is probably one of the strongest pieces of evidence because the issue was whether or not she had given consent. His conviction suggests that she had given it to the other guy but not him |
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I think he should be allowed to play again. If it was a normal man in the street going back to his job, I don't think there would be much fuss. If a child is brought up right, they will know right from wrong.a person has the right to earn a living even if they have a criminal record. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some Young children look upto footballers they become idols to them they also see them as someone they'd like to be when older so personally NO I don't think he should be allowed to play football again he committed a crime now he has to deal with the consequences of his actions 
Personally I'd like to put in a small room with any rapist for 2 mins...."
I think there's alot of people who feel like tha about a few crimes that happens in the world. x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ched Evans maintains his absolute innocence and his family, friends and many who know the true facts of the case believe that his conviction was a gross miscarriage of justice. It should be noted that the burden of proof in criminal law lies with the Prosecution and that in order to gain a conviction the Prosecution must prove ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that a crime was committed i.e. the Jury has to be sure an offence has taken place. Essentially, this means that following the submissions of the Prosecution if there remains any doubt that a crime has been committed the accused must be acquitted. It is not for the accused to prove his innocence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just imagine the abuse hes going to get off all the opposite fans. But saying that, give me 5 grand a week and u can verbally abuse me as much as you want  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We acknowledge the principle that, once society has received reparation for a crime, that debt is paid and the ex-offender is entitled to rehabilitation back into society.
However, Ched Evans, though convicted, still denies committing rape. Despite this.
Over 140,000 people have signed a petition saying they don’t want him to play for Sheffield United again.
Sheffield United FC is working in a highly visible public arena, followed by thousands of supporters, many of whom are young and open to influence.
A footballer in a club like SUFC has prestige and can be seen as a role model by many young people and children. The club has, in our view, a clear responsibility to demonstrate its commitment to challenging sexual violence against women and to model good practice as an influential employer.
Rape and sexual abuse must be taken seriously.
Sheffield United FC needs to think very carefully about what message it will send to the women and girls of Sheffield if a convicted rapist who has shown no remorse for his actions is reinstated by the club. |
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By *ipstickCouple
over a year ago
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like it or not,he is a convicted rapist,how do is team mates feel having to work with him,they have wives ,girlfiends,mothers and sisters,how do the others teams feel,some one will take him out.the away fans are going to destroy him,and he didnt serve his time,he served half,and to destroy someones life and then go back into a luxury job is wrong.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If this turns out to be another miscariage of justice and his conviction quashed, watch how peoples views will change. Im sure we havent heard the last about this. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If Evans was truely innocent why didn't he appeal against his conviction ? The appeal courts are a total different ball game ! Excuse the pun !
My opinion is, he is guilty, he did rape that woman, two and a half years, what kind of punishment is that ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with you there cf and my opinion rapist should have there hands and cocks cut off, but the systems in this country is so frail we just got to have 100% proof. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't condone what he dos in any way but he has served his time as set out buy our judicial system. To stop him earning and living by what he did prior would be an injustice.
There are many many convicted rapists out there who have committed more violet crimes allowed to live their lives after their release.
Ched Evans should be allowed to ply his trade in whatever profession he choses.
To say people look up to him is a reason to stop him is wrong. When a child watches him play he wants to score goals like him nothing else.
I looked up to George best and idolised him but I don't drink and think the past is the past allow the lad to get in with his life and if he wants to play let him play
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If Evans was truely innocent why didn't he appeal against his conviction ? The appeal courts are a total different ball game ! Excuse the pun !
My opinion is, he is guilty, he did rape that woman, two and a half years, what kind of punishment is that ? "
I think you need to read up about it properly and not just from snippets, he did appeal which was rejected as there was no new evidence,he couldn't appeal again until his release and since then a lot of evidence has since surfaced that is pretty damning to the girl in question.
Plus the only evidence that sexual activity took place was the admission of the two men, both stating that it was consensual. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ok we do know the girl gave consent to one from what she said but not chef Evans however many people know in this wonderful country where we pay footballers silly amounts of money per week was she thinking of a compensation payout from him if she cried rape I don't know if she did give consent or not it's one word against the other but she could have been thinking pound signs after it so I think until the whole situation is finished we should keep an open mind on both parties |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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your making excuses for Evans now, it's in the history books, how many footballers have been accused of rape ?
Evans knew what he was doing, he thought he could get away with it, no one would believe a money grabbing tart over a footballer, it back fired on him, he needs to man up an admit what he did .....
He is a registered sex offender end of !
I wonder if he has to wear a tagg ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If Evans was truely innocent why didn't he appeal against his conviction ? The appeal courts are a total different ball game ! Excuse the pun !
My opinion is, he is guilty, he did rape that woman, two and a half years, what kind of punishment is that ?
I think you need to read up about it properly and not just from snippets, he did appeal which was rejected as there was no new evidence,he couldn't appeal again until his release and since then a lot of evidence has since surfaced that is pretty damning to the girl in question.
Plus the only evidence that sexual activity took place was the admission of the two men, both stating that it was consensual."
When he appealed there was new evidence and the three judges who were meant to reject or accept it rejected the appeal because all the issues raised and the new evidence would not have made a difference to the decision |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok we do know the girl gave consent to one from what she said but not chef Evans however many people know in this wonderful country where we pay footballers silly amounts of money per week was she thinking of a compensation payout from him if she cried rape I don't know if she did give consent or not it's one word against the other but she could have been thinking pound signs after it so I think until the whole situation is finished we should keep an open mind on both parties "
She didn't cry rape. The state took the matter into their own hands after she had reported not being able to find her phone or purse |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't condone what he dos in any way but he has served his time as set out buy our judicial system. To stop him earning and living by what he did prior would be an injustice.
There are many many convicted rapists out there who have committed more violet crimes allowed to live their lives after their release.
Ched Evans should be allowed to ply his trade in whatever profession he choses.
To say people look up to him is a reason to stop him is wrong. When a child watches him play he wants to score goals like him nothing else.
I looked up to George best and idolised him but I don't drink and think the past is the past allow the lad to get in with his life and if he wants to play let him play
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You're kidding right? The amount of kids with the latest phones is unreal. All it'd take is for them to google him in the hopes of finding more football stuff online and the rape thing would pop up. If they've already started looking up to him there'll be the few who'll look into it more |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I blame the justice system for this fiasco. Ched Evans is a Rapist. Period. A jury of his peers decided it was so and no amount of whinging by him that he didn't do it will change his conviction unless on a appeal it is overturned. I suspect he has learned his lesson the hard way and will probably not do it again. That is unless he is a sexual predator which is another matter. He looked a bit chastened on his video and he is lucky to have a girlfriend that has stood by him.
He has served time on a sexual offenders wing no doubt and has enjoyed all the fun that that involves mixing with other perverts and low life.
So lets analyse his sentence. He got 5 years and has got out in 2.5
Well he raped a woman and at first glance it does seem remarkably lenient and has given him the opportunity to resume his career. He is probably a good footballer and like most footballers probably carry's his brains in his feet. I ask why didn't he get 10 years like most rapists. In that time he could have appealed and got his conviction quashed. As it is we have the situation where he knew at outset of his sentence that with good behaviour he could be out in half that time so he decided to bide his time, whinge that he didn't do it and then place his club that he worked for in this untenable position.
It may suprise you that I take the view that if he wants to return to football then he should be allowed to do it. That's if anyone will want to play in a team where he is picked. I bet you some other team members will take a view and boycott any team in which he is picked and I bet you there will be opposition team members that will jump on the high moral ground and say they wont play sheffield united if he plays. It'll just take 1 person to set that rabbit off.
Nope I blame the criminal justice system. He should have got longer. Sorry but the judge got this wrong. Ched Evans is now the victim of a lynch mob. He has terrible things to wrestle with now. He looks like a haunted man. He knows what happened that night. At end of day he was just a stupid twit that got involved in something he now regrets doing and he is whinging about his innocence. A man should know if something is morally right. he fucked up big time and paid the price handed out by the court which wasn't long enough.
Anecdotally I have been on the end of a whinging twit like him who does something horrible and then tries to blame you for what has happened to them. In the end they get their just deserts and that is what is happening to this guy as a result of a weak criminal justice system that is overwhelmed for whatever reason. What he is experiencing is actually a result of this weakness. Whatever happens from now on is a result of the weak sentence handed out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I look at it like this as a woman why did she go in to hotel room with a guy
U don't do that if u are not looking for sex
Yes OK its one of them things
But only him and her know the full story and that's something will will never know did he or didn't he
Did she say no or yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No he should not resume his career in my view...as said above on 3 people know exactly what happened that night but NO. Means. NO....the girl in question has had to move and try to rebuild her life...he just wants to pick up where he left off...i certainly wouldnt want any of my family around him  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think a lot of people are missing something here if he gets to play another match how many people from the opposite team will try to end his career with a career ending challenge? He will lose out totally none of us know what happened all we know is hearsay if he did do it he will get what he deserves on the outside if he didn't and there is 100% proof he didn't he's going to get a payout from us the tax payer but he will also suffer for what he didn't do. The criminal justice system in the uk is crap if the evidence was 100% rape he would have got a tougher sentence |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He was convicted..
he served the sentence set by a judge
what more is there to say?
under the rehabilitation of offenders act the punishment has been done, and it would be illegal to refuse him employment on the basis of a past conviction provided that his employment did not contravene the DBS (disclosure and barring service) requirement.
this does not mean that it isnt in poor taste but a job is a job."
But as others point out this job involves other young men looking up to him as a rule model, some jobs don't allow an ex sex offender to be employed & that seems reasonable to me. I think you'll find he won't pass any enhanced DBS check x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I look at it like this as a woman why did she go in to hotel room with a guy
U don't do that if u are not looking for sex
Yes OK its one of them things
But only him and her know the full story and that's something will will never know did he or didn't he
Did she say no or yes"
She went into the room with the friend not Ched |
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