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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago
Cardiff |
The problem we have is when fuel prices go up food prices go up. With the gas and electricity prices going up and the hike in national insurance it's going to be an absolute catastrophy , we could be going into a big recession if the government don't act really quickly |
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Have any seen the video floating about that been taken down about the national grid?
She claimed that we shouldn't be paying for electric and the companies are charging us for the meter rather than the electricity |
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I remember moaning like hell when petrol went upto £1.00 a gallon!!
A garage on my way to work has been increasing their prices twice a day by 1 or 2p. Today it jumped up 5p to £1.709 a litre. The garage has not even had a delivery this week so he is just making extra profit on what he has in the tanks... 
I wonder how many barrels of oil the UK companies have purchased at $140 and have processed into fuel. Not much I expect and yet they raise prices at the pumps on old stock oil. |
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This is an inflammatory subject.... (I'll see myself out at the end of this post, don't worry ).
There are many many reasons why this was always inevitable. The current Ukraine situation only made it happen sooner. Nothing more.
The cynicists will accuse profiteering. Anarchists will blame the Government. Environmentalists will endorse the idea of forcing people to choose fossil fuel alternatives. Socialists will blame the Capitalists and the Capitalists will blame the socialists.
There is no simple solution. But it did cost me £100 the other day to fill my car and I wasn't exactly impressed  . |
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over a year ago
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"This is an inflammatory subject.... (I'll see myself out at the end of this post, don't worry ).
There are many many reasons why this was always inevitable. The current Ukraine situation only made it happen sooner. Nothing more.
The cynicists will accuse profiteering. Anarchists will blame the Government. Environmentalists will endorse the idea of forcing people to choose fossil fuel alternatives. Socialists will blame the Capitalists and the Capitalists will blame the socialists.
There is no simple solution. But it did cost me £100 the other day to fill my car and I wasn't exactly impressed . "
And on that note I suppose I'm an anarchist then  |
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"I can remember when they were picketing and protesting when the fuel went over £1 back in the day "
The 2000 fuel protests all kicked off because diesel had hit the crazy price of 80.8p a litre. Those were the days lol |
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Wales currently produces more electricity than it consumes.
Even if (when) we move to fukky electrified transport and heating we'll be still be able to meet our demand and largely using natural resources.
The only fly in the ointment is that we (Wales) don't have control over power generation and Westminster controls spending on major infrastructure projects like tidal lagoons.
There's only one answer here... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wales currently produces more electricity than it consumes.
Even if (when) we move to fukky electrified transport and heating we'll be still be able to meet our demand and largely using natural resources.
The only fly in the ointment is that we (Wales) don't have control over power generation and Westminster controls spending on major infrastructure projects like tidal lagoons.
There's only one answer here..."
Cut the fucking chains  |
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"Wales currently produces more electricity than it consumes.
Even if (when) we move to fukky electrified transport and heating we'll be still be able to meet our demand and largely using natural resources.
The only fly in the ointment is that we (Wales) don't have control over power generation and Westminster controls spending on major infrastructure projects like tidal lagoons.
There's only one answer here..."
And in Wales, the Crown Estate still controls most of the coast, so income from rent on Wind Farms for example goes directly to the UK Treasury.
Unlike in Scotland where it has been devolved & goes to the Scottish Parliament.
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That's a good point we may suddenly get the Swansea tidal lagoon after all. The government in London wasn't interested a few years ago because it meant spending money in Wales.
We do need to get more independent with our energy needs. |
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"That's a good point we may suddenly get the Swansea tidal lagoon after all. The government in London wasn't interested a few years ago because it meant spending money in Wales.
We do need to get more independent with our energy needs. "
Wales needs to be more independent full stop. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"That's a good point we may suddenly get the Swansea tidal lagoon after all. The government in London wasn't interested a few years ago because it meant spending money in Wales.
We do need to get more independent with our energy needs.
Wales needs to be more independent full stop. "
No 'more' about it  |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"It was 72p when I started driving
Haha I remember it when it was that price as well. Seems like a lifetime ago now though.
I was 17 at the time so 20years ago"
34p when I started driving. Used to take powerboat to Windermere and Cornwall and think nothing of burning 200 litres per day, every day for a week.
One week in '94, 1900 litres ran through it around St Austel Bay, those were the days.. we didn't have enough cars to carry the fuel cans in!!
Always ran better on leaded..
Then leaded phase out, 3/4 fill car with unleaded, put nozzle back, take leaded nozzle, wait for pump reset then "top off".
If you were lucky, Sainsburys would only ask for the value of the second fill as they'd forget they'd reset it.
Full tank for a fiver... |
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"Its easy to crack cooking oil..
Used was best but at todays prices, may as well use fresh - no pH to balance then.
Raw oil not recommended, only for some cars. "
Russia & Ukraine are the largest producers of sunflower oil, with they're supplies cut it's likely to cost more than diesel. Pushing up the cost of food even more.
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
"That's a good point we may suddenly get the Swansea tidal lagoon after all. The government in London wasn't interested a few years ago because it meant spending money in Wales.
We do need to get more independent with our energy needs.
Wales needs to be more independent full stop.
No 'more' about it "
Increasingly sympathetic to this.
The UK is a busted flush, pretty much the whole is too.
Somehow, a different way forward, a different way of living, has to be found . |
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"This is an inflammatory subject.... (I'll see myself out at the end of this post, don't worry ).
There are many many reasons why this was always inevitable. The current Ukraine situation only made it happen sooner. Nothing more.
The cynicists will accuse profiteering. Anarchists will blame the Government. Environmentalists will endorse the idea of forcing people to choose fossil fuel alternatives. Socialists will blame the Capitalists and the Capitalists will blame the socialists.
There is no simple solution. But it did cost me £100 the other day to fill my car and I wasn't exactly impressed . "
3.80 to fill mine (at home at least) |
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"The only fly in the ointment is that we (Wales) don't have control over power generation and Westminster controls spending on major infrastructure projects like tidal lagoons."
Before you go getting all excited about tidal lagoons, you may want to read up on Mark Shorrock. He's one of the directors of the various tidal lagoon companies, having been director of 46 companies so far, only 5 of which are still trading.
He also just happens to own a quarry in Cornwall, which just happens to be the only source of the rock needed for the tidal barrage project.
His Google results are quite interesting. |
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"The only fly in the ointment is that we (Wales) don't have control over power generation and Westminster controls spending on major infrastructure projects like tidal lagoons.
Before you go getting all excited about tidal lagoons, you may want to read up on Mark Shorrock. He's one of the directors of the various tidal lagoon companies, having been director of 46 companies so far, only 5 of which are still trading.
He also just happens to own a quarry in Cornwall, which just happens to be the only source of the rock needed for the tidal barrage project.
His Google results are quite interesting."
So he's got a monopoly on tidal lagoons? It would be a world wide commercial procurement. And I'd expect there to be a few crooks involved, it's contraction after all  |
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By *pl4u300Couple
over a year ago
haverfordwet |
Never mind the fuel prices what about the price of fertilizer for farms . That has gone up too so has red diesel for tractors. If it wasn't for farmers people wouldn't have food so stop moaning about price of things. Maybe cigarettes and alcohol should go up to ridiculous prices. Would smokers and drinkers moan then |
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"The cost of fuel is absolutely crazy. Within a mile of my home Theres 4 garages and they range from £1.54 to £1.80 for diesel. God help us by the summer. "
Billonaires getting richer and us common folk getting poorer. Sad fact of life really. |
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"I think the government are just clawing all the ferlough money back!!...
They certainly don't give us something for nothing!. "
That was always on the cards. What they pay out they will always get back through taxes of some sort. |
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"I think the government are just clawing all the ferlough money back!!...
They certainly don't give us something for nothing!.
That was always on the cards. What they pay out they will always get back through taxes of some sort. "
Of course! It's the fastest way they'll get it all back and then some!...
They know we'll all pay it, as we have no option.
Robbing f.... Rs! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Here come,s the big push to turn people to elec cars , prob a plot to turn the rich eastern countries back to sand and not be reliant on they oil. God knows we are a controlled nation anyway. Do as we told people |
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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago
Cardiff |
The problem is we have the petrol hike ,this will force the cost of food up. We have the gas and electricity hike and the Ni hike.
This is going to put a lot more people on benefits and other payments, but the people who own houses and don't get any benefits are the ones as usual who will be paying this price .
I think the government are hoping the ni hike will be hidden my the Ukraine war, as I minister once said it's a good time to bury bad news |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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brits will just bend over and take it tho. It be normal to pay nearly 2 quid a liter to us in few weeks . They can live with a Few winges on social media tho. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Its easy to crack cooking oil..
Used was best but at todays prices, may as well use fresh - no pH to balance then.
Raw oil not recommended, only for some cars.
Russia & Ukraine are the largest producers of sunflower oil, with they're supplies cut it's likely to cost more than diesel. Pushing up the cost of food even more.
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80% of it..
Just ordered an EV and another 4kwh Solar Panel to charge it.. |
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Electric cars seriously are the answer. The electric motor is extremely efficient, simple & highly suitable for moving a car.
Batteries on the other hand aren't really. Since they can weigh a ton literally, even when there's no power in them.
Hopefully a better solution will come along, with cars making it's own electricity with something like a hydrogen fuel cell, a better way to store the power in the vehicle like capacitors or just take the power from the road like giant scalextric cars. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
As I've used 3x tank fulls this week. Heavy battery or not, I'm getting one.
It's a no brainer.
Even paying for the electricity at 19p/kwh, its cheaper than petrol and I have plenty surplus Solar. 17kw yesterday and 3rd string 3.5kwh of panels on route. Final stage of 40kwh batteries about to be complete.
Last 3 days and rest of the week, heated and powered house.
Electricity bought in = ZERO |
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See, this is the dilemma with this kind of debate:
On the one hand you have people who literally live on the breadline, barely able to fuel their car to go to work and feed their kids and keep them warm. They will spend maybe £20 a week in fuel before this nonsense, now it might be £30 and that tenner will be found by making savings somewhere else, even if Mam or Dad skip a few meals. It might be a better option to get government support and be unemployed, but they have chosen the option to try and get by themselves, maybe someone else needs the benefits more than they do.
Here is the kicker though. People like that example above, spend little money (in general terms, I am not talking percentage of income nor expenditure). £20 one week that becomes £30 the next week is a big deal, it is 50% more. This next part is where it hurts, what I say next, and I expect to be flamed but here are the facts.
If you cut Fuel Duty, you cut it for everyone. That includes the Fat Cats in their Rolls Royces, the Chelsea yummy mummies driving their 4x4's around lovely London never seeing dirt let alone a mud track. You lower the price for the Lambourghini drivers and the Maseratti owners, the Ferrari motorway Lane 3 hoggers out for fun because they wanted bread that is only made using wheat from one particular field and so on.
The amount of fuel they use in one journey of half an hour will be more than several families' worth of grind going to work every day in the example above where that 50% jump is the difference between eating or not.
If you put a Fuel Duty cut, then you are only helping the rich stay richer. Because the savings they make, will dwarf yours. I don't have an answer to the best way out, but think about it before you sign a petition that helps the rich save even more money than the rest of us  . |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Fully agree.
My fuel is used for business travel, so cannot avoid it although drive to save fuel.
I agree, many should not be entitled to duty or VAT cuts and possibly instead, have to claim it back.
If you've been on a motorway recently, they are a lot quieter, with an obvious problem.
There are two distinct kind of drivers, those driving to conserve fuel around 60-65mph and others in fast, big engined cars who are now driving like they are on a German Autobahn.
Regularly well over 110mph with no care or consideration to others and 20p per litre they won't miss and worth it for the thrill, knowing there are no police patrolling the roads.
COVID brought crazy tosser driving as standard, this is a whole new level. Like in America when 55mph was introduced, if you were caught speeding, the equivalent of a full years Road Duty was levied as well as a fine and a ban. |
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"I can remember when they were picketing and protesting when the fuel went over £1 back in the day
The 2000 fuel protests all kicked off because diesel had hit the crazy price of 80.8p a litre. Those were the days lol "
We can’t afford to get there now to protest with current prices
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