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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Starting the thread early this year as Pivac has just announced his squad.
Dan Biggar to lead with Adam Beard as Vice Captain .
Great to see call ups for my boys Dewi Lake and Jac Morgan, and to see Owen Watkin back in the squad too.
Favourite time of year is coming   |
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Not sure I am 100% convinced on Biggar as captain, can come across as petulant at times and maybe not what refs want to see from the captain.
Very happy to see Owen Watkin and Jac Morgan included, both very good players that need more exposure to the top level game. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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With the region’s not playing good rugby at the moment may be an issue but when they put on the red jersey everything changes Dan Biggar is very vocal so could be a good call or may not be only time will tell but my money is on wales every time |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Not too sure what to think of the squad. As a scarlet, it pains me to say it, but I think if Fixy wasn’t pushing the 100 caps he’d have been dropped."
We aren't flush for proper 13s either |
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"Not too sure what to think of the squad. As a scarlet, it pains me to say it, but I think if Fixy wasn’t pushing the 100 caps he’d have been dropped.
We aren't flush for proper 13s either"
We aren’t but Pivac said during the autumn that his future at international is at inside centre. Think Collins would’ve been a better choice. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not too sure what to think of the squad. As a scarlet, it pains me to say it, but I think if Fixy wasn’t pushing the 100 caps he’d have been dropped.
We aren't flush for proper 13s either
We aren’t but Pivac said during the autumn that his future at international is at inside centre. Think Collins would’ve been a better choice."
Plenty of options at 12 without needing to shift Foxy there imo |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not too sure what to think of the squad. As a scarlet, it pains me to say it, but I think if Fixy wasn’t pushing the 100 caps he’d have been dropped.
We aren't flush for proper 13s either"
The best centre in britain doesn’t get a look in either |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Not too sure what to think of the squad. As a scarlet, it pains me to say it, but I think if Fixy wasn’t pushing the 100 caps he’d have been dropped.
We aren't flush for proper 13s either
The best centre in britain doesn’t get a look in either "
Who is??.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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With around 600 caps missing due to injury, have to give Pivac some slack. Should also pick players who are on form (not many if you looked at the results over the weekend in Europe. They will do well to finish 4th. |
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By *urves88Woman
over a year ago
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"Not sure I am 100% convinced on Biggar as captain, can come across as petulant at times and maybe not what refs want to see from the captain.
Very happy to see Owen Watkin and Jac Morgan included, both very good players that need more exposure to the top level game. "
Agree on the Biggar decision...he's already a leader in the squad but lacks discipline with keeping his mouth shut |
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"Starting the thread early this year as Pivac has just announced his squad.
Dan Biggar to lead with Adam Beard as Vice Captain .
Great to see call ups for my boys Dewi Lake and Jac Morgan, and to see Owen Watkin back in the squad too.
Favourite time of year is coming "
Ooooohhhh yes, mine too! |
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it. "
You knows the outcome. We do well, ‘see the regions are just underperforming, and don’t deserve a better deal’, we do poorly ‘ah well the regions need to up their game, and not get any better deals til they do’ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it. "
Decline? Didn't we win it last year? |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year? "
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years. |
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"Not sure I am 100% convinced on Biggar as captain, can come across as petulant at times and maybe not what refs want to see from the captain.
Very happy to see Owen Watkin and Jac Morgan included, both very good players that need more exposure to the top level game.
Agree on the Biggar decision...he's already a leader in the squad but lacks discipline with keeping his mouth shut "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years."
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it. "
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Oh shut up will you you miserable old cunt "
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years.
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers! "
The WRU aren't skint but are incompetent.
Exhibit A: accelerated debt repayments in a period of historically low interest rates.
Exhibit B: Heaping a £20M loan onto the professional game instead of shouldering it themselves like other unions.
Exhibit C: Using the increased revenue from CVC to build a 4* hotel instead of funding the professional game.
I could go on.
They've stifled the professional game at the expense of the national side but have forgotten that the pro game develops the resources for Team Wales.
You want a consistently entertaining product and full houses? Then we have to create winning teams and that costs money. It's really quite simple. |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years.
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers!
The WRU aren't skint but are incompetent.
Exhibit A: accelerated debt repayments in a period of historically low interest rates.
Exhibit B: Heaping a £20M loan onto the professional game instead of shouldering it themselves like other unions.
Exhibit C: Using the increased revenue from CVC to build a 4* hotel instead of funding the professional game.
I could go on.
They've stifled the professional game at the expense of the national side but have forgotten that the pro game develops the resources for Team Wales.
You want a consistently entertaining product and full houses? Then we have to create winning teams and that costs money. It's really quite simple. "
I agree with this.
When Roger Lewis was in charge they prioritised the National side at the expense of the pro-game that underlay it.
Garland’s coaching and an excellent crop of players papered over this very well. There was always a real danger of that falling apart eventually. I fear we may be seeing that starting now.
A poor league doesn’t help, of course, but vanity projects like the new hotel and underfunding of the pro-game are huge issues.
It’s simply not sustainable for the pro-teams to compete with teams with such higher budgets, and ultimately, to produce enough players to make Wales a force.
Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years.
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers!
The WRU aren't skint but are incompetent.
Exhibit A: accelerated debt repayments in a period of historically low interest rates.
Exhibit B: Heaping a £20M loan onto the professional game instead of shouldering it themselves like other unions.
Exhibit C: Using the increased revenue from CVC to build a 4* hotel instead of funding the professional game.
I could go on.
They've stifled the professional game at the expense of the national side but have forgotten that the pro game develops the resources for Team Wales.
You want a consistently entertaining product and full houses? Then we have to create winning teams and that costs money. It's really quite simple.
I agree with this.
When Roger Lewis was in charge they prioritised the National side at the expense of the pro-game that underlay it.
Garland’s coaching and an excellent crop of players papered over this very well. There was always a real danger of that falling apart eventually. I fear we may be seeing that starting now.
A poor league doesn’t help, of course, but vanity projects like the new hotel and underfunding of the pro-game are huge issues.
It’s simply not sustainable for the pro-teams to compete with teams with such higher budgets, and ultimately, to produce enough players to make Wales a force.
Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper"
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits |
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years.
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers!
The WRU aren't skint but are incompetent.
Exhibit A: accelerated debt repayments in a period of historically low interest rates.
Exhibit B: Heaping a £20M loan onto the professional game instead of shouldering it themselves like other unions.
Exhibit C: Using the increased revenue from CVC to build a 4* hotel instead of funding the professional game.
I could go on.
They've stifled the professional game at the expense of the national side but have forgotten that the pro game develops the resources for Team Wales.
You want a consistently entertaining product and full houses? Then we have to create winning teams and that costs money. It's really quite simple.
I agree with this.
When Roger Lewis was in charge they prioritised the National side at the expense of the pro-game that underlay it.
Garland’s coaching and an excellent crop of players papered over this very well. There was always a real danger of that falling apart eventually. I fear we may be seeing that starting now.
A poor league doesn’t help, of course, but vanity projects like the new hotel and underfunding of the pro-game are huge issues.
It’s simply not sustainable for the pro-teams to compete with teams with such higher budgets, and ultimately, to produce enough players to make Wales a force.
Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits"
Agree with both of these posts.
But are you going to apologise for calling me old? I can live with being called miserable and a cunt but not old! |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Rugby politics gets on my tits"
ManCardiff and I are discussing rugby politics. Does that me we….
Oh, never mind .
Being serious - MissP69 may be a Turk-averse Ospreys fan, but I’ll always have bags of respect for people who follow the game week-in, week-out. |
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Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits"
Same as the autumn people saying drop the 60 cap rule and then moaning about the fact the English based lads can’t play all games.
Also as a side note, first game back at the Parc tomorrow, and I can make it cos of family member being I’ll, fuming. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits
Same as the autumn people saying drop the 60 cap rule and then moaning about the fact the English based lads can’t play all games.
Also as a side note, first game back at the Parc tomorrow, and I can make it cos of family member being I’ll, fuming."
Aww that's a shame, should be a good game against Bristol
I'm off to Manchester tomorrow for the Sale game Sunday |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
Decline? Didn't we win it last year?
We did.
Rode out luck a bit, but did well.
I do share some of the worries of others though. We’re strong in some areas, but weak in comparison in others.
If you look at the squads, I’d argue we’re a good way behind France, Ireland and England. Scotland are getting more depth too.
I do fear we’ll be on the end of some bad results in the away games.
Basically, the WRU has not done enough to support the pro-game in Wales. The budgets are way lower than in England and Ireland. It’s been a of a miracle we’ve held our own in the last 15 years. I do think that may come tumbling down this year (some reasons outside of the control of coaches, WRU etc).
I always love MissP’s optimism though - and she’s been proved right plenty of times down the years.
I also love missPs optimism. The problem is that the wru are skint.
The problem is that the regional teams are not putting out a consistent entertaining product. Whether that be funding issues or not I don't know. I do know that if the stadiums were full then that would make a difference.
I think the only answer is to reduce the regional teams to 3 and put a stop to signing average foreign imports. That would give our younger players exposure not only in terms of games but professionalism in training. The issue is if you're an ex all black you are probably gojbg tk chase the cash in Japan!!!
I don't envy the decision makers!
The WRU aren't skint but are incompetent.
Exhibit A: accelerated debt repayments in a period of historically low interest rates.
Exhibit B: Heaping a £20M loan onto the professional game instead of shouldering it themselves like other unions.
Exhibit C: Using the increased revenue from CVC to build a 4* hotel instead of funding the professional game.
I could go on.
They've stifled the professional game at the expense of the national side but have forgotten that the pro game develops the resources for Team Wales.
You want a consistently entertaining product and full houses? Then we have to create winning teams and that costs money. It's really quite simple.
I agree with this.
When Roger Lewis was in charge they prioritised the National side at the expense of the pro-game that underlay it.
Garland’s coaching and an excellent crop of players papered over this very well. There was always a real danger of that falling apart eventually. I fear we may be seeing that starting now.
A poor league doesn’t help, of course, but vanity projects like the new hotel and underfunding of the pro-game are huge issues.
It’s simply not sustainable for the pro-teams to compete with teams with such higher budgets, and ultimately, to produce enough players to make Wales a force.
Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits
Agree with both of these posts.
But are you going to apologise for calling me old? I can live with being called miserable and a cunt but not old! "
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"Rugby politics gets on my tits
ManCardiff and I are discussing rugby politics. Does that me we….
Oh, never mind .
Being serious - MissP69 may be a Turk-averse Ospreys fan, but I’ll always have bags of respect for people who follow the game week-in, week-out."
Glutton for punishment I am see Socksy  |
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Sadly, many fans in Wales only really care about the national team, and getting legless on international days, so don’t look deeper
And they are usually the ones who gob off on SM about how regional rugby isn't working, we should be cut to 2 blah blah blah
Rather than trying to be part of the solution they become part of the problem
Rugby politics gets on my tits
Same as the autumn people saying drop the 60 cap rule and then moaning about the fact the English based lads can’t play all games.
Also as a side note, first game back at the Parc tomorrow, and I can make it cos of family member being I’ll, fuming.
Aww that's a shame, should be a good game against Bristol
I'm off to Manchester tomorrow for the Sale game Sunday "
That should be a hell of an away trip. Fingers crossed for both sides |
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"Don't agree with Biggar as captain, surely should be Ellis Jenkins? Disrespect and way Biggar treats referee is disgusting"
I think he's a great choice |
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"Don't agree with Biggar as captain, surely should be Ellis Jenkins? Disrespect and way Biggar treats referee is disgusting
I think he's a great choice "
I guess as Captain the ref has to listen to Biggar, he can’t just tell him that he’ll only listen the the skipper.
And Wales have seemed ti have good success with captains that other teams think are whingers, Ryan Jones abd AWJ are/were always grumbled about by opposition fans. |
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"I know it's wrong to take pleasure in someone else's misfortune.
BUTTT.... Owen Farell out for England for the tournament could work against them? "
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"Don't agree with Biggar as captain, surely should be Ellis Jenkins? Disrespect and way Biggar treats referee is disgusting
I think he's a great choice
I guess as Captain the ref has to listen to Biggar, he can’t just tell him that he’ll only listen the the skipper.
And Wales have seemed ti have good success with captains that other teams think are whingers, Ryan Jones abd AWJ are/were always grumbled about by opposition fans."
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Ok all u supposed rugby experts answer me this? just one part of a very error strewn and disjointed display
Why would you leave a specialist centre of some quality (in my opinion) and give josh Adams a superb winger no doubt !! Who was left upside down n back to front n totally lost eh ?? Apart from lots of other things about the squad not just today but in the build up
Just gimme a clue into the thinking behind it ?? I'm not getting Into an arguement with anyone just an idea on opinion !!! N please have some tidy experience at our beloved game
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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All I can think is that he saw it worked with George North and thought that it would work again with Adams
It didn't
That or he was just desperate to play McNicholl Sanjay Zammit and Adams all together (fuck knows why)
It fell flat on its fucking face and then some |
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"The worst Welsh performance I have seen in 20 odd years
Really ???
Yep"
I was impressed with the Ireland performance - I don’t think the loss is that much down to a catastrophic Welsh performance.
Next week English beating jocks at principality…
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"The worst Welsh performance I have seen in 20 odd years
Really ???
Yep
I was impressed with the Ireland performance - I don’t think the loss is that much down to a catastrophic Welsh performance.
Next week English beating jocks at principality…
You’ve got to love the rugby "
We didn't compete at all at the breakdown
Didn't even try
Pivac stuck to a game plan that obviously wasn't working
It was disastrous
Our defence was far too narrow which was why they practically walked around us
Ireland played well but we were extremely poor
Lots to work on, but after being initially optimistic the total failure of the coaching staff to even attempt to change the game plan at half time really concerns me
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"The worst Welsh performance I have seen in 20 odd years
Really ???
Yep
I was impressed with the Ireland performance - I don’t think the loss is that much down to a catastrophic Welsh performance.
Next week English beating jocks at principality…
You’ve got to love the rugby
We didn't compete at all at the breakdown
Didn't even try
Pivac stuck to a game plan that obviously wasn't working
It was disastrous
Our defence was far too narrow which was why they practically walked around us
Ireland played well but we were extremely poor
Lots to work on, but after being initially optimistic the total failure of the coaching staff to even attempt to change the game plan at half time really concerns me
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I’m not sure the beat game plan would have been able to counter the superior Irish fluency …
Next week will be a better measure of the coaching plan ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The worst Welsh performance I have seen in 20 odd years
Really ???
Yep
I was impressed with the Ireland performance - I don’t think the loss is that much down to a catastrophic Welsh performance.
Next week English beating jocks at principality…
You’ve got to love the rugby
We didn't compete at all at the breakdown
Didn't even try
Pivac stuck to a game plan that obviously wasn't working
It was disastrous
Our defence was far too narrow which was why they practically walked around us
Ireland played well but we were extremely poor
Lots to work on, but after being initially optimistic the total failure of the coaching staff to even attempt to change the game plan at half time really concerns me
I’m not sure the beat game plan would have been able to counter the superior Irish fluency …
Next week will be a better measure of the coaching plan ?
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"The worst Welsh performance I have seen in 20 odd years
think I'm glad we missed it "
You missed a shocker!!!
Pivac had no plan B!!
Adams as a centre is just a horrid idea and should’ve never been considered….certainly not against the Irish!!
Ireland dominated from start to finish and thoroughly deserved their win but Wales’ lack of a defence and more worryingly an attack gave Ireland the platform they needed to dominate!!
This out the back door plays ripped us to shreds from the offset and Pivac did nothing to change it!!
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it. "
I'm still praying for 2 wins but would now settle for 1. |
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
I'm still praying for 2 wins but would now settle for 1. "
After that shitshow you may well be right |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Ok all u supposed rugby experts answer me this? just one part of a very error strewn and disjointed display
Why would you leave a specialist centre of some quality (in my opinion) and give josh Adams a superb winger no doubt !! Who was left upside down n back to front n totally lost eh ?? Apart from lots of other things about the squad not just today but in the build up
Just gimme a clue into the thinking behind it ?? I'm not getting Into an arguement with anyone just an idea on opinion !!! N please have some tidy experience at our beloved game
Many thanks "
Jonathan Davies?
If you mean him, he’s been brilliant (passing aside!), but he’s on a pretty steep downslope. Did a job at 12 last year, but even that short space of time matters at his age and this level.
The cupboard is pretty bare for centres in Wales.
Hopefully it’ll hasten change. Wales have done very well despite the structure, funding and governance of the game since 2008, not because of it. We’re way behind many countries and it’s starting to show.
God bless Dai the committeeman at the small grassroots club for all his sterling work, but these guys have too much influence on the running of the professional game. It needs a whole different breed of person for that.
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
I'm still praying for 2 wins but would now settle for 1.
After that shitshow you may well be right "
Are you going to replace your "miserable old cunt" description if me with 'insightful, learned and wise'? |
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
I'm still praying for 2 wins but would now settle for 1.
After that shitshow you may well be right
Are you going to replace your "miserable old cunt" description if me with 'insightful, learned and wise'? "
After much deliberation.... No  |
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"I'd bite your hand off for 2 wins.
The only saving grace is that the decline of the national side might force the WRU to fund the professional game properly. But I doubt it.
I'm still praying for 2 wins but would now settle for 1.
After that shitshow you may well be right
Are you going to replace your "miserable old cunt" description if me with 'insightful, learned and wise'?
After much deliberation.... No "
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It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ??? |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???"
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle "
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future "
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year. |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year. "
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them. |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them."
Back row we're alright ish
Front 5 though is going to be the issue going forward |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them.
Back row we're alright ish
Front 5 though is going to be the issue going forward "
and a bench of suitable replacements. |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them.
Back row we're alright ish
Front 5 though is going to be the issue going forward
and a bench of suitable replacements."
Yep
W
Atm we only have 1 tight head in the whole country who is actually of reasonable international quality
After that we're fucked |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them."
Can you name the brilliant, electrifying pacey Welsh half backs and centres please? |
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them.
Can you name the brilliant, electrifying pacey Welsh half backs and centres please? "
Tbf he didn't specify half backs and centres
He just said backs
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"It's a case of Wales trying to gain back some pride tomorrow.It will be a hard slog but they should win,just about.Ire V Fra is the game of the weekend.Sexton will be a huge loss but hopefully Joey can settle in and play well enough....France to win by 7pts ???
Nice to see Joey back for you after being plagued by injury for so long
I think we will do it more so do to home advantage and Jac Morgan than anything else
I think home advantage will just about swing it for France although it will probably be a massive physical battle
I am sure Joey will be targeted big time,but he needs that type of exposure anyways.I watched the game here last week in Ireland with a bunch of Wales boyos from Llanharan and they were very disappointed and I think looking at the 20s match on Friday,that it doesn't bode well for Wales rugby's future
The problem is we have some massive stalwarts coming to their twighlight years and those coming in aren't quite of the same calibre. Lots of work to do before RWC next year.
Same happened is in the last WC and a lot of your problems were created by Warren Gatland and his style of play.Negating an open,expansive game.Now you've got brilliant,electrifying pacey backs that need an open flowing game but not a pack to support them.
Can you name the brilliant, electrifying pacey Welsh half backs and centres please?
Tbf he didn't specify half backs and centres
He just said backs
Assuming LRZ "
We have 2 good wings, an ageing fullback, a controlling 10 and that's it.
Lean few years I fear. |
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To be fair, Wales were actually pretty good in the second half. Some of the rugby they played outclassed England hands down. Was it World Class and World Cup Winner potential? No. But if that level in the last 30 minutes could have been sustained for all matches start to finish, they would be Gland Slam champions contenders without breaking much of a sweat.
The penalty count was ridiculous and cost us immeasurably. We gifted their only try on a golden platter but apart from that, England didn't really create many try scoring opportunities, our 'white line defence' was it's usually brilliant best. We scored three good tries that we had to create, we took the chances in the second half when we created them, in that sense we were clinical.
But that first half performance is what cost us. But I don't mind saying, when the clock turned red, I was glued to the telly hoping they could do the 80 yards and achieve the unthinkable at 0-17. Why do we always turn up and play the best rugby when it's last gasp? |
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By *mily36CWoman
over a year ago
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I have a very important wager on tomorrow's game for us to win ...so have everything crossed
England to take down Wales 
What was the wager? "
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"Anyone going to teh game on Friday?
No. And I fear a terrible bumming. Sans lube.
could be messy. But a chance to see Dupont live for the first time because of covid I think"
He's worth the ticket price alone. But I read he might be injured.
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"Anyone going to teh game on Friday?
No. And I fear a terrible bumming. Sans lube.
could be messy. But a chance to see Dupont live for the first time because of covid I think
He's worth the ticket price alone. But I read he might be injured.
Interesting back row picked by Pivac "
Seb Davies is a bit a surprise inclusion for me. Feel a bit sorry for Basham like as he's been one of the best so far |
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"Anyone going to teh game on Friday?
No. And I fear a terrible bumming. Sans lube.
could be messy. But a chance to see Dupont live for the first time because of covid I think
He's worth the ticket price alone. But I read he might be injured.
Interesting back row picked by Pivac
Seb Davies is a bit a surprise inclusion for me. Feel a bit sorry for Basham like as he's been one of the best so far "
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over a year ago
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I don't like to criticise but fuck me they're dreadful
They'll make a laughing stock of us if they're both still in post for RWC 23
I have tried to be positive but I have lost the will to live with them now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Think it's time to change the rules and ban kicking full stop except for conversions.
May as well have 6 a side and just play kick tennis.
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"Stephen Jones currently stealing a living. Pivac too if we're being honest.
Defence and set piece was OK though. "
Thought Howley was bad attack coach but Jones is worse. No direction flatter than some tits on here just awful. As AWJ being called up its total disrespect to Beard and Co who have done so well against opposition line outs not as if got injury crisis either |
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" No direction flatter than some tits on here just awful."
I do hope you are talking about people's personalities with that comment.... .
It was always going to be a tough ask for Wales' offence to be going up against their former Defence coach. Someone who has taught and guided them for years and knows their playbook inside and out.
I agree that under Pivac, Wales seem to have lost any planning and game management. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, the players should have the guile to recognise that and change things up on the fly. Isn't that part of the role of 'Captain'?
AWJ was/is an immense player. One of the world's all-time greatest. If him coming back to the camp to impart his experience makes a difference, I'm all for it. Maybe he will be a coach someday.
Pivac has always said this team was a team in transition, but when we are not able to see where he is transitioning to, and the players seemingly as baffled as the rest of us, the RWC looks like a bad idea. |
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" No direction flatter than some tits on here just awful.
I do hope you are talking about people's personalities with that comment.... .
It was always going to be a tough ask for Wales' offence to be going up against their former Defence coach. Someone who has taught and guided them for years and knows their playbook inside and out.
I agree that under Pivac, Wales seem to have lost any planning and game management. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, the players should have the guile to recognise that and change things up on the fly. Isn't that part of the role of 'Captain'?
AWJ was/is an immense player. One of the world's all-time greatest. If him coming back to the camp to impart his experience makes a difference, I'm all for it. Maybe he will be a coach someday.
Pivac has always said this team was a team in transition, but when we are not able to see where he is transitioning to, and the players seemingly as baffled as the rest of us, the RWC looks like a bad idea. "
His lack of consistency is troubling
He has yet to play the same side for 2 games in a row
That makes it look like he has no clue himself of what he is trying to achieve
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" No direction flatter than some tits on here just awful.
I do hope you are talking about people's personalities with that comment.... .
It was always going to be a tough ask for Wales' offence to be going up against their former Defence coach. Someone who has taught and guided them for years and knows their playbook inside and out.
I agree that under Pivac, Wales seem to have lost any planning and game management. But when things are going wrong on the pitch, the players should have the guile to recognise that and change things up on the fly. Isn't that part of the role of 'Captain'?
AWJ was/is an immense player. One of the world's all-time greatest. If him coming back to the camp to impart his experience makes a difference, I'm all for it. Maybe he will be a coach someday.
Pivac has always said this team was a team in transition, but when we are not able to see where he is transitioning to, and the players seemingly as baffled as the rest of us, the RWC looks like a bad idea.
His lack of consistency is troubling
He has yet to play the same side for 2 games in a row
That makes it look like he has no clue himself of what he is trying to achieve
It's very draining "
He doesn't know his best 15/23 which is worrying considering how long been in job. Too many old guard players in squad with World Cup just over 12 months away.
Youngsters got summer tour to SA, autumn games (against SH teams) and next 6 nations to impress so very unlikely get in |
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That reeked of arrogance- turning down kicks at goal when you’re losing a test match along with our old mistake of wholesale changes.
We never learn but fair play to Italy, they deserved that. |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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This has been coming.
This falls at the WRU’s feet, though I do think Pivac is guilty of starting with a style of play, and shoehorning (lots of) players into it - essentially the opposite of Gatland, who succeeded despite the system, not because of it.
A multi-million pound business overseen by blokes best suited to organising the Saturday night raffle at a small club in the Cynon Valley.
They are committed, good people, I’m sure, but they’ve failed to support the pro-game adequately and it was always going to hit home. The financing of the game and the benefits that brings in coaching, development and infrastructure is way ahead elsewhere. |
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I think everyone is forgetting that we actually won the thing last year scoring 20 tries.
Bar a few moments we could have walked away with 4 wins. The nature of the competition is that its decided by small margins.
Pivac is right, the world cup has to be the priority and Saturday's game will have shown who will be looked at moving forward.
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By *ost SockMan
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"I think everyone is forgetting that we actually won the thing last year scoring 20 tries.
Bar a few moments we could have walked away with 4 wins. The nature of the competition is that its decided by small margins.
Pivac is right, the world cup has to be the priority and Saturday's game will have shown who will be looked at moving forward.
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So I had a good think on this after Saturday....
So let's think back last year's 6 nations how many games did we win against 14 players ?
Was last years team good because the work from Warren and Shaun did years before?
Has the autumn internationals 2021 and the 6 nations 2022 been a proving ground for rugby world cup 2023? (I don't think so)
What is a good result in the test matches in South Africa in the summer?
ALSO take a look at our Regional teams ... they are not doing well either.
If the WRU sack Pivac ... who replaces Dai Young ?
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By *ost SockMan
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"So I had a good think on this after Saturday....
So let's think back last year's 6 nations how many games did we win against 14 players ?
Was last years team good because the work from Warren and Shaun did years before?
Has the autumn internationals 2021 and the 6 nations 2022 been a proving ground for rugby world cup 2023? (I don't think so)
What is a good result in the test matches in South Africa in the summer?
ALSO take a look at our Regional teams ... they are not doing well either.
If the WRU sack Pivac ... who replaces Dai Young ?
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I don’t feel I’m super critical of Pivac - I reserve it more for the structures of the game.
I hear WelshBoy when he reminds us of last year. I think we rode our luck until the last game, but it was an achievement.
What does worry me is the constant tinkering with the starting 15 - Basham, Morgan, Jenkins to name three. All had pretty clear things they needed to improve (where possible), but I can’t help thinking Pivac needs to build a system that works for the players at his disposal.
We’ve looked pretty bad in attack too. Not sure what SJ is up to. Again though, it’s probably not suited to Biggar, and we’re lacking at centre in many ways.
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Can WRU afford to replace Pivac? No
Who would replace him?
Why isn't WRU investing in Welsh coaches at regional level?
I thought with Butcher taking over reigns with his one man club history it would change however too many of the older generation still involved in decision making |
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"Can WRU afford to replace Pivac? No
Who would replace him?
Why isn't WRU investing in Welsh coaches at regional level?
I thought with Butcher taking over reigns with his one man club history it would change however too many of the older generation still involved in decision making"
You want a former Geography teacher to improve the WRU? Best of luck with that. He's massively out of his depth. |
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"Can WRU afford to replace Pivac? No
Who would replace him?
Why isn't WRU investing in Welsh coaches at regional level?
I thought with Butcher taking over reigns with his one man club history it would change however too many of the older generation still involved in decision making
You want a former Geography teacher to improve the WRU? Best of luck with that. He's massively out of his depth. "
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"Can WRU afford to replace Pivac? No
Who would replace him?
Why isn't WRU investing in Welsh coaches at regional level?
I thought with Butcher taking over reigns with his one man club history it would change however too many of the older generation still involved in decision making
You want a former Geography teacher to improve the WRU? Best of luck with that. He's massively out of his depth.
Your thinking of his brother "
I'm thinking of Rob Butcher, the current chair of the WRU and former teacher.
Who are you thinking of? |
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