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"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case." Funny you should mention Chester, but I was involved in an incident, nothing sinister I might add, on a street called, Boundary Lane in Saltney, Chester. I arrived on a job around midnight, and next thing five police cars, and a van came rolling up to see what was going on. I was interviewed by Cheshire constabulary, and once they were satisfied that everything was in order, I was left to carry on. Not quite that simple, another policeman apologised and said that I was going to have to get in his car, and go over everything again because, I happened to be letting myself into a building that was in England, so Cheshire police had to attend the incident, but the report had been made by a resident across the road in Wales, so North Wales police had to attend the incident, and conduct their investigation. So it appears that we already have border control up there. I asked what would happen if there was ever a head on crash on Boundary Lane which magistrates court would have to pass judgment, but the policeman couldn't give me an answer. | |||
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"Independence is normal. Being "ruled" by another country isn't normal, it's actually the opposite. I cba to argue with unionists, its too early "Agreed. | |||
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"Charge to leave Wales? Have you seen the traffic going to England in the mornings compared to what’s coming in , and vice versa in the evenings? Says a lot for what business is in Wales " Also a lot of businesses have large tax breaks from the uk government to set up in under employed areas like wales rather than in large hub areas in england. | |||
"Charge to leave Wales? Have you seen the traffic going to England in the mornings compared to what’s coming in , and vice versa in the evenings? Says a lot for what business is in Wales " erm ... working abroad is considered an export and good for an economy | |||
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"for the last couple of centuries, big business draining the country by exporting it's wealth and resources then leaving is what has caused problems for wales. homegrown business is what has made the country a success "What homegrown big successes has this welsh Goverment achieved after being in power since ‘97? | |||
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"a burgeoning film and music industry, a highly diversified rural economy, electrical independance and electricity export that is growing exponentionally, high performing construction sector. just because brynmawr has little or no aspiration don't let your echo chamber distort the facts "Little or no aspirations, it’s the land that Cardiff forgot This country could never survive on its own The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb " little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy. | |||
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"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy. "Nothing to do with Westminster It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do” Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ? No , | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No , "An independent Wales doesn't have to have a Labour government. Until a Welsh government has full, and I mean full, fiscal control then you can not fully judge them on their economic performance. | |||
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"Independence is normal. Being "ruled" by another country isn't normal, it's actually the opposite. I cba to argue with unionists, its too early " | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No , "I agree | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No ,
An independent Wales doesn't have to have a Labour government.
Until a Welsh government has full, and I mean full, fiscal control then you can not fully judge them on their economic performance. "Well going by every election since the rushed through devolution referendum,who do you think the welsh would elect yet again ? Of course they can be judged on their economic performance, look at how much they wasted on the M4 relief road farce for a start We don’t need another road , we’ll just reduce the speed limit | |||
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"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case. Funny you should mention Chester, but I was involved in an incident, nothing sinister I might add, on a street called, Boundary Lane in Saltney, Chester. I arrived on a job around midnight, and next thing five police cars, and a van came rolling up to see what was going on. I was interviewed by Cheshire constabulary, and once they were satisfied that everything was in order, I was left to carry on. Not quite that simple, another policeman apologised and said that I was going to have to get in his car, and go over everything again because, I happened to be letting myself into a building that was in England, so Cheshire police had to attend the incident, but the report had been made by a resident across the road in Wales, so North Wales police had to attend the incident, and conduct their investigation. So it appears that we already have border control up there. I asked what would happen if there was ever a head on crash on Boundary Lane which magistrates court would have to pass judgment, but the policeman couldn't give me an answer. " Boundary Lane is interesting - the clue is in it's name. Border runs straight down the middle. One side of the road and you're in Wales, other side of the road and you're in England. So much for the United Kingdom, huh? Do they actually get 2 different dust carts rattling along the same road but different sides, puffing out diesel fumes, to collect the recycling? | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No ,
An independent Wales doesn't have to have a Labour government.
Until a Welsh government has full, and I mean full, fiscal control then you can not fully judge them on their economic performance.
Well going by every election since the rushed through devolution referendum,who do you think the welsh would elect yet again ?
Of course they can be judged on their economic performance, look at how much they wasted on the M4 relief road farce for a start
We don’t need another road , we’ll just reduce the speed limit "You can't say that an independent Wales would have a Labour government, given that currently Labour is pro-union, and we don't know what form of government would an independent Wales would have. For example, we could have true proportional representation which might make for a balanced parliament but also might make for a fractious government. This is just idle speculation though. I said fully judge on the economy. I agree with not building the M4 relief road. It's short term thinking. If you build more roads you get more traffic. We need to be smarter than that given climate change and an increasing digital economy. They could and should have reached that decision earlier, I agree. | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No , "Amen to that, let's face it, Drakeford is Town Council level max. | |||
"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case." Sure most of the workers are from England who work at airbus? Can’t speak welsh but can understand it | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No ,
Amen to that, let's face it, Drakeford is Town Council level max." | |||
"The only two things it’s got going for it is tourism and overpriced radiated lamb little wonder tourists don't bother with brynmawr then. eich math chi o feddwl ffosiledig yw'r hyn sy'n dal y wlad yn ôl. ceisiwch roi'r gorau i fod yn ddioddefwr mor anghenus a bwrw ymlaen â gwella'ch bywyd yn lle aros i San Steffan eich bwydo â llwy.
Nothing to do with Westminster
It’s the fossilised thinking of a Labour welsh government that is holding this country back
They are a bunch of idiotic morons who only get re-elected because people vote for them because “my parents do and my grandparents do”
Have they brought any big employers to the valleys ?
No ,
Amen to that, let's face it, Drakeford is Town Council level max.
"Some town council... https://t.co/qslsP7YFBt?amp=1 | |||
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"No one planning to build a wall between the two then? " Maybe some bloke called Offa, given the advances in building technology | |||
"Indepebdance ? Its so laughable i might give AM's another over inflation pay rise "Or you could back your claims up with a reasoned argument. Up to you I guess. | |||
"No one planning to build a wall between the two then? Maybe some bloke called Offa, given the advances in building technology "Ill get the spirit level | |||
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"No wonder I don't come on the forum much anymore when it's shit like this to read, who gives a fuck about topics like this on a swinging site "Loads of different general topics are covered on the forums Lexi Maybe try the "Swinger chat" section for more swinging specific discussions | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D" Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? " Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. | |||
"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case. Funny you should mention Chester, but I was involved in an incident, nothing sinister I might add, on a street called, Boundary Lane in Saltney, Chester. I arrived on a job around midnight, and next thing five police cars, and a van came rolling up to see what was going on. I was interviewed by Cheshire constabulary, and once they were satisfied that everything was in order, I was left to carry on. Not quite that simple, another policeman apologised and said that I was going to have to get in his car, and go over everything again because, I happened to be letting myself into a building that was in England, so Cheshire police had to attend the incident, but the report had been made by a resident across the road in Wales, so North Wales police had to attend the incident, and conduct their investigation. So it appears that we already have border control up there. I asked what would happen if there was ever a head on crash on Boundary Lane which magistrates court would have to pass judgment, but the policeman couldn't give me an answer. " It's about right. Boundary Lane is well known around these parts. In some ways, it's a piss take. For many years the boy racers with souped up cars have taken advantage of the Wales / England border around Chester football ground. It is of concern that you was "interviewed" by both Cheshire and North Wales police forces. You was clearly in the territory of one or the other. | |||
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"No wonder I don't come on the forum much anymore when it's shit like this to read, who gives a fuck about topics like this on a swinging site "To be fair, the thread title is pretty ambiguous. I can see how you'd accidentally click on it thinking it was about swinging orgies and be bitterly disappointed to find it's political. Oh well. | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh." If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites. | |||
"Indepebdance ? Its so laughable i might give AM's another over inflation pay rise
Or you could back your claims up with a reasoned argument. Up to you I guess. "No need. Its not going to happen as we simply could not function as a nation without financial help from the rest of the UK. | |||
"Indepebdance ? Its so laughable i might give AM's another over inflation pay rise
Or you could back your claims up with a reasoned argument. Up to you I guess.
No need. Its not going to happen as we simply could not function as a nation without financial help from the rest of the UK.
"You are aware that the UK as a whole runs a fiscal deficit? Many, many independent countries do. Debt is normal. | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites." And where did your stat about the UK being 34th in the current electricity export rankings come from?
By the way, your data is an estimate from 2007 so... | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites. And where did your stat about the UK being 34th in the current electricity export rankings come from?
By the way, your data is an estimate from 2007 so..."Global economy dot com | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites." where did you get yours from? Wiki.. says it all come back to me with actually links you tripe | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites. And where did your stat about the UK being 34th in the current electricity export rankings come from?
By the way, your data is an estimate from 2007 so..."Thank you though, for making me laugh so much i havent laughed so much in a long time:D Diolch :') | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? Do the research, the UK figures are all the UK countries combined (with England using more than they actually create!) hence why as a collective the figures are so low. In 2019 we were behind Canda, France, Germany and Paraguay. The link as well for you to have a look at my "tripe" :p https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Wales#:~:text=In%202019%20Wales%20was%20the,TWh%20and%20France%20at%2042TWh. If you do your research via Wikipedia then that says it all. Let me know when you can provide evidence from a multiple, reputable statistics sites. And where did your stat about the UK being 34th in the current electricity export rankings come from?
By the way, your data is an estimate from 2007 so...
Global economy dot com"globaleconomy.com? where you cant pick Wales as a Country? :D :D :D as arguements go, your proving a different point to mine so i dont think we are in the same ball park football v golf rugby v netball stick to the latter | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D" Not really much of a boast if you use common sense. What you really need is to say how much electricity you generate and of that how much you export. If you generate 10GW and only use 200MW that’s ok, but if you only generate 200MW and use 50MW and export 150MW then that’s not so impressive. | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Not really much of a boast if you use common sense. What you really need is to say how much electricity you generate and of that how much you export. If you generate 10GW and only use 200MW that’s ok, but if you only generate 200MW and use 50MW and export 150MW then that’s not so impressive. " Well, its actually TWh ( which is a 1000 GWh!) so not even sure what your arguement is? Again, links above for the actually figures | |||
"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case. Funny you should mention Chester, but I was involved in an incident, nothing sinister I might add, on a street called, Boundary Lane in Saltney, Chester. I arrived on a job around midnight, and next thing five police cars, and a van came rolling up to see what was going on. I was interviewed by Cheshire constabulary, and once they were satisfied that everything was in order, I was left to carry on. Not quite that simple, another policeman apologised and said that I was going to have to get in his car, and go over everything again because, I happened to be letting myself into a building that was in England, so Cheshire police had to attend the incident, but the report had been made by a resident across the road in Wales, so North Wales police had to attend the incident, and conduct their investigation. So it appears that we already have border control up there. I asked what would happen if there was ever a head on crash on Boundary Lane which magistrates court would have to pass judgment, but the policeman couldn't give me an answer. It's about right. Boundary Lane is well known around these parts. In some ways, it's a piss take. For many years the boy racers with souped up cars have taken advantage of the Wales / England border around Chester football ground. It is of concern that you was "interviewed" by both Cheshire and North Wales police forces. You was clearly in the territory of one or the other. " Thanks for the responses I've had to this, I didn't honestly expect it. I was actually working on the new homes site on the England side about twenty years ago. Yes, I was interviewed by both police forces. I wasn't arrested when they could see that I had keys for the houses, but once Cheshire constabulary were satisfied, the North Wales police officers were very apologetic, but they had to follow procedure because, the incident had been reported from Wales. I hadn't thought about refuse collection, or other council services for that matter, or indeed who maintains the surface water, and sewage systems, Welsh Water, or an English water authority, which then begs the question, are the English getting rid of their poo in Wales, or vice versa, and I if they are, should we be charging for the privilege. Of course other emergency services come into question. Does the English fire brigade, who could possibly get to a house fire quicker, let a house burn down because it's in Wales I wonder? Or can they attend with a Welsh fire officer controlling the show? I must admit that my experience on Boundary Lane has raised a few eyebrows, with some people thinking that I am making it up, but then the immortal words of Max Boyce come to to mind..... "I know cos I was there!" | |||
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"I'm quietly confidential that there are far more reasons to remain united. Those industries are in Wales because of the United Kingdom, same as those in Scotland. " Are you suggesting an independent Wales couldn't attract or retain industry? | |||
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"Probably wont see Independence in my lifetime but more people are coming around to the idea, espeically the younger generation. And as Ive said many times before I think Drakeford has done a pretty good job during Covid even though I didnt vote Labour earlier this year." Maybe not Bubbs but those after us will | |||
"How silly, England should pay to dump their poo in Wales, yet wasn't quick to say wales should pay England. I think Wales should be independent if they want too be so badly, but only when they are not relying on Money from other countries (like England) to help keep this place going. But to me, i think the whole of the uk should stand united as one. As we all stand better being as one more than all be divided. If life isn't hard enough has it is, putting more of a divide only makes the human race more angry at each other. When we should be evolving to something far more better now, weather your Welsh or English Before you all run off to look at my profile, we live in Wales..." You are aware that the UK as a whole runs at a fiscal deficit right? Even England on its own would run a fiscal deficit. And given that UK financial performance is the responsibility of Westminster who's fault is it that Wales runs a deficit? Ah yes. It must be something inherent to the Welsh. | |||
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"1 reason to stay is it would wind MissP up. *runs away*" Na it doesn't wind me up FB Everyone's entitled to their views It's just some seem scarily brainwashed  | |||
"Probably wont see Independence in my lifetime but more people are coming around to the idea, espeically the younger generation. And as Ive said many times before I think Drakeford has done a pretty good job during Covid even though I didnt vote Labour earlier this year." Really???!!! Brainwashed | |||
"Probably wont see Independence in my lifetime but more people are coming around to the idea, espeically the younger generation. And as Ive said many times before I think Drakeford has done a pretty good job during Covid even though I didnt vote Labour earlier this year. Really???!!! Brainwashed " Calm down Paul All those punctuation marks aren't good for you | |||
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"I'm a Unionist.... For now at least. Last thing I want is independence especially as it's not true independence. Leaving a union of 4 to join the EU and a Union of.... How many is it now? Isn't for me. Coupled with the fact that they want to make Wales a sanctuary country just takes away national pride rather than embraces, restores or promotes. I'm a proud Welshman, a proud Brit and a proud man. I respect other people's opinions so I'm not slating anyone elses... It's just me and who I am. I believe the world has already gone mad and far too many liberties have already been taken from me. Please... No more. I used to feel free." There is absolutely no guarantee that an independent Wales would be part of the EU. | |||
"Clywch Clywch / Hear Hear! That and in 2017, Wales was the 5th biggest exporter of Electricity in the WORLD! We export twice as much as we use! Indy Wales = No brainer really :D Load of tripe…. Considering the UK is 34th in the current rankings and has been for some time. Where did you get that the smallest nation within Great Britain is the 5th largest exporter of electricity? " It's true....... it must be! He made it up all by himself! | |||
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"Why is it that whenever you meet a Unionist they mention the fiscal deficit but when you counter their legitimate argument they disappear into the ether? " Wales is the 3rd biggest producer of pizza in the world. | |||
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"We have a site full of horny women and couples and we are discussing politics "Makes their knickers wet   | |||
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"We have a site full of horny women and couples and we are discussing politics "I know, being multifaceted is so overrated... | |||
"Why is it that whenever you meet a Unionist they mention the fiscal deficit but when you counter their legitimate argument they disappear into the ether? Wales is the 3rd biggest producer of pizza in the world. " Not when I'm ordering from Domino's! | |||
"I'm a Unionist.... For now at least. Last thing I want is independence especially as it's not true independence. Leaving a union of 4 to join the EU and a Union of.... How many is it now? Isn't for me. Coupled with the fact that they want to make Wales a sanctuary country just takes away national pride rather than embraces, restores or promotes. I'm a proud Welshman, a proud Brit and a proud man. I respect other people's opinions so I'm not slating anyone elses... It's just me and who I am. I believe the world has already gone mad and far too many liberties have already been taken from me. Please... No more. I used to feel free. There is absolutely no guarantee that an independent Wales would be part of the EU. " I think we both know it's highly likely. As it stands now we are guaranteed not to be which for the time being I'm happy about. | |||
"Why is it that whenever you meet a Unionist they mention the fiscal deficit but when you counter their legitimate argument they disappear into the ether? Wales is the 3rd biggest producer of pizza in the world. Not when I'm ordering from Domino's! " Wwwwww Pizza, not to start another debate but its Papa Johns for me over Dominoes  | |||
"I'm a Unionist.... For now at least. Last thing I want is independence especially as it's not true independence. Leaving a union of 4 to join the EU and a Union of.... How many is it now? Isn't for me. Coupled with the fact that they want to make Wales a sanctuary country just takes away national pride rather than embraces, restores or promotes. I'm a proud Welshman, a proud Brit and a proud man. I respect other people's opinions so I'm not slating anyone elses... It's just me and who I am. I believe the world has already gone mad and far too many liberties have already been taken from me. Please... No more. I used to feel free. There is absolutely no guarantee that an independent Wales would be part of the EU. I think we both know it's highly likely. As it stands now we are guaranteed not to be which for the time being I'm happy about. " I think you need a fiscal deficit of less than 3% if you want to join the EU so I'm not sure it's highly likely that an independent Wales will be part of it. I'm sure a lot of people would want that though. | |||
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"Ow gawd, are all the welsh going to tared with the same brush as the Scots because of the SNP" Pardon? | |||
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"Politics on a swingers site what a joke just get lost I say but for the record if you want welsh independence your deluded I’ve lived in three countries and we are 40 years behind the times I’d sell my house tomorrow if it happened now shit then f up and keep this to shagging orgys and dogging …. Sorry if I’ve not been conservative in my opinion but without labouring on too long I don’t give a shit about a democratic view as I’d Trump you all if I had too " Is Trumping someone a new kink that I've not heard of? So many intriguing nuances to that post! | |||
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"Exports of water and energy are the baskets I'd put our eggs in. The problem with being independent right now is the fact we'd be run by the same idiots who are currently sat in the chamber in Cardiff bay. They seem to forget there are parts of Wales west of the M4 and North of the valleys. D" Given Labour are a Unionist party I'm not sure it'd be the same people in power. There are really good cases for and against independence and it's a debate I find interesting. But we'd better stick to sex talk for fear of being turned orange... | |||
"Exports of water and energy are the baskets I'd put our eggs in. The problem with being independent right now is the fact we'd be run by the same idiots who are currently sat in the chamber in Cardiff bay. They seem to forget there are parts of Wales west of the M4 and North of the valleys. D Given Labour are a Unionist party I'm not sure it'd be the same people in power. There are really good cases for and against independence and it's a debate I find interesting. But we'd better stick to sex talk for fear of being turned orange... "Orange.. Now that gives the Unionist/Independence a whole new slant.. | |||
"Exports of water and energy are the baskets I'd put our eggs in. The problem with being independent right now is the fact we'd be run by the same idiots who are currently sat in the chamber in Cardiff bay. They seem to forget there are parts of Wales west of the M4 and North of the valleys. D Given Labour are a Unionist party I'm not sure it'd be the same people in power. There are really good cases for and against independence and it's a debate I find interesting. But we'd better stick to sex talk for fear of being turned orange...
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"I don’t seem to have had the mail from admin to say that to be on Fab the only things you can think and talk about are sex . Seems for some it’s unacceptable to have views on anything else too. Very sad state of affairs indeed
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"I don’t seem to have had the mail from admin to say that to be on Fab the only things you can think and talk about are sex . Seems for some it’s unacceptable to have views on anything else too. Very sad state of affairs indeed
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"The politics Forum? Not Wales "Cheers, missed the politics forum. I'm sure the moderators will move threads or close them if in the wrong section. And people can choose to scroll past those they feel are in the incorrect forum | |||
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"Independence for Wales!!,Yes Cymru. England have been fleecing our resources for centuries. No one mentioned Water. No one mentioned the highest poverty in Europe is in Wales.The only people who Don't want Independence is the English living in Wales and working in Wales. Ireland is thriving since leaving English rule. Only one party for the job, it's a real Welsh party called Plaid Cymru. Labour is a English party who answers to Downing Street.Did England like being ruled from the EU. Lol no.so why should Wales or Scotland be ruled by any other country. Cymru am byth. " Because we are an island, we should protect the Union, make things better through change not reinvent the wheel. With the EU there were 5 putting in the pot and 20+ taking out, give it a chance now we can focus the resourse | |||
"it's odd that there are welsh people who are so vocally anti-welsh apart from maybe when the rugby is on ... rhyfedd iawn "Rugby is shit, just like football. It's like religion, control the masses to stop them being idle and getting up to mischief. | |||
"Independence for Wales!!,Yes Cymru. England have been fleecing our resources for centuries. No one mentioned Water. No one mentioned the highest poverty in Europe is in Wales.The only people who Don't want Independence is the English living in Wales and working in Wales. Ireland is thriving since leaving English rule. Only one party for the job, it's a real Welsh party called Plaid Cymru. Labour is a English party who answers to Downing Street.Did England like being ruled from the EU. Lol no.so why should Wales or Scotland be ruled by any other country. Cymru am byth. Because we are an island, we should protect the Union, make things better through change not reinvent the wheel. With the EU there were 5 putting in the pot and 20+ taking out, give it a chance now we can focus the resourse" I agree, more investment outside London and the South East. Problem is some Welsh don't help themselves with this backward, tribal mentality and chip on their shoulder about what English ancestors did to Welsh ancestors 900 years ago. Granted, what England did to Wales was shit but it was done to people who are dead by people who are also dead. | |||
"it's odd that there are welsh people who are so vocally anti-welsh apart from maybe when the rugby is on ... rhyfedd iawn
Rugby is shit, just like football. It's like religion, control the masses to stop them being idle and getting up to mischief."Rugby stops people getting upto mischief? Are you fucking real? Go on tour you want pmsl | |||
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"The Toyota factory is in Wales. The Airbus factory is in Wales. If devolution happened, the population of the English city of Chester would mostly have to show their passport at the border if they wished to shop at their local Tesco or Morrisons large supermarket. Half time at Chester football ground would be more "awkward" - would the players have to show their passports before swapping sides? Not to mention spectators having to show passports before having a piss in the official loos. The Severn Bridge could charge people to leave Wales. I rest my case. Funny you should mention Chester, but I was involved in an incident, nothing sinister I might add, on a street called, Boundary Lane in Saltney, Chester. I arrived on a job around midnight, and next thing five police cars, and a van came rolling up to see what was going on. I was interviewed by Cheshire constabulary, and once they were satisfied that everything was in order, I was left to carry on. Not quite that simple, another policeman apologised and said that I was going to have to get in his car, and go over everything again because, I happened to be letting myself into a building that was in England, so Cheshire police had to attend the incident, but the report had been made by a resident across the road in Wales, so North Wales police had to attend the incident, and conduct their investigation. So it appears that we already have border control up there. I asked what would happen if there was ever a head on crash on Boundary Lane which magistrates court would have to pass judgment, but the policeman couldn't give me an answer. It's about right. Boundary Lane is well known around these parts. In some ways, it's a piss take. For many years the boy racers with souped up cars have taken advantage of the Wales / England border around Chester football ground. It is of concern that you was "interviewed" by both Cheshire and North Wales police forces. You was clearly in the territory of one or the other. " Read the OP properly. He was in England. Cheshire Police deal with it. Report came from Wales. NWP have to attend and deal as well. | |||
