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Don't want to be a preachy vegan but isn't all this down to our treatment of animals?
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"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's' "Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals | |||
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"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals"This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food | |||
"guinea pigs in peru It's the top dish over there" The proper name of "Cavy" means "good to eat" (the heartless bastards!) | |||
"Can’t remember the last time I caught a virus of celery. " Agreed! | |||
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"I wouldn't disagree, I saw two programmes today, one about the White Rhino, the other about sharks. Our treatment of both, made me feel pretty depressed "Did somebody mention sharks ? | |||
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"Just google "dog meat festival"" I did.. it came up with Crufts | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food " | |||
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"There’s a great article in The Guardian about factory farming - look at mad cow disease, SARS, foot-and-mouth disease, HIV. All animal-to-human transmissions. We need to collectively rethink our relationships with the planet and animals because we’re racing headlong into our own destruction. I, for one, am not eating meat anymore." | |||
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"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food "Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria. | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)" General plant abuse but yes | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food (thumb
Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria."Well said | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food (thumb
Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria.
Well said"Are you denying the evidence that says it likely started in a Chinese wet market? | |||
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"I've read all the replies. My view. I'm going to eat exactly what I ate before. I don't eat bats. I've never eaten bat. I do believe that there have to be standards of care for what we eat and agree that if these standards are not upheld then we are going to create problems for ourselves. That said. I'm a carnivore. Not a vegan or a vegetarian. Nor will I pretend to be anything different. " But that's the point, you don't need to eat bats, the virus is transmitted, fairly easily, to other species of animals which you then eat...... | |||
"Funny how all the vegan shit was the only stuff left in supermarkets the other day." So vegans don't stupidly panic buy? | |||
"Funny how all the vegan shit was the only stuff left in supermarkets the other day." Because vegans don't eat pasta, tomatoes, or beans.... | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food (thumb
Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria.
Well said
Are you denying the evidence that says it likely started in a Chinese wet market?"The evidence that says it likely....? | |||
"Funny how all the vegan shit was the only stuff left in supermarkets the other day. So vegans don't stupidly panic buy?" Probably they dont like the look a likey stuff, if you dont eat meat, which is fine, why buy stuff that is made to taste and look like it. | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food (thumb
Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria.
Well said
Are you denying the evidence that says it likely started in a Chinese wet market?"How on earth did you come to that conclusion? | |||
"Funny how all the vegan shit was the only stuff left in supermarkets the other day. So vegans don't stupidly panic buy? Probably they dont like the look a likey stuff, if you dont eat meat, which is fine, why buy stuff that is made to taste and look like it." Why do people get so offended by what others choose to eat? | |||
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"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)" No. Thank you for disturbing so many electrons needlessly. | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)No. Thank you for disturbing so many electrons needlessly." I beg to differ! | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food
Yes this is the bullshit that's spreading to whip up fear and hysteria." | |||
"I've read all the replies. My view. I'm going to eat exactly what I ate before. I don't eat bats. I've never eaten bat. I do believe that there have to be standards of care for what we eat and agree that if these standards are not upheld then we are going to create problems for ourselves. That said. I'm a carnivore. Not a vegan or a vegetarian. Nor will I pretend to be anything different. " Omnivore more likely. | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)No. Thank you for disturbing so many electrons needlessly. I beg to differ!" But, with respect, you start from a predetermined position. Part of the risk of a globalized society is that viruses that were formerly localized, and self limiting, are now mobile. HIV was a perfect example of this. Even if we all become vegans (god forbid) viruses will leap the species barrier. | |||
"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus." There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. | |||
"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. " Sorry, come FROM animals. | |||
"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. Sorry, come FROM animals. " Which animal? Sharks ? | |||
"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. Sorry, come FROM animals. Which animal? Sharks ? " Huh? | |||
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"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. " Zoonotic is where a strain crosses species barrier. H1n1 was zoonotic from pigs to humans. When a strain breaks it's norm from a singular species only it becomes a zoonotic strain. Humans have corona strains 4 to be exact that don't infect anything other than humans. This strain covid19 has been shown to come from the strain bats carry, thus covid19 being a zoonotic now human mutation of the virus. Mers and sars both are zoonotic strains. Mers from camels and sars from small mammals. Previously these strains had zero effect on humans until mutation. Passive immunization can be done artificially taking antibodies from one and giving them to another. The hopes being the body can basically take the blueprint of the antibody and replicate it. If not the antibodies will of course be short lived and only offer immunity briefly. | |||
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"Could sharks be superspreaders?" Tom, what is it with you and sharks?! Lol! | |||
"Could sharks be superspreaders?" No but what sharks can do is poison people who eat them. From the metals and toxins stored in their flesh. Same as tuna. Sadly hasn't stopped people eating them or in the sharks case just their fins because the rest is more inedible than the fins. Sharks have an amazing immune system which scientists want to use for human diseases and longer life | |||
"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. Zoonotic is where a strain crosses species barrier. H1n1 was zoonotic from pigs to humans. When a strain breaks it's norm from a singular species only it becomes a zoonotic strain. Humans have corona strains 4 to be exact that don't infect anything other than humans. This strain covid19 has been shown to come from the strain bats carry, thus covid19 being a zoonotic now human mutation of the virus. Mers and sars both are zoonotic strains. Mers from camels and sars from small mammals. Previously these strains had zero effect on humans until mutation. Passive immunization can be done artificially taking antibodies from one and giving them to another. The hopes being the body can basically take the blueprint of the antibody and replicate it. If not the antibodies will of course be short lived and only offer immunity briefly. " I need to do more reading and ensure the quality of my reading (as I do being a student anyway), it's harder to absorb new knowledge and integrate with previous knowledge since the encephalitis last year. I summised swine and avian flu were zoonotic but couldn't find the literature for that. | |||
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"There has to be consideration as to why the strains of corona are now mutating and with extreme effects in the last 2 decades. Why not 50 years ago? Why not 100 but 3 in the last 2 decades. Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Which means it's entirely possible that the animals you eat here that carry coronavirus have a chance to infect someone too which will begin another pandemic. It could be medication people take, background radiation levels or chemicals in water or food. These viruses have passed harmlessly through us but have now started to mutate in our bodies to attack us. So each and every strain has the possibility to become zoonotic and become deadly. It's time to invest in what's causing superbugs. It could mean the ability to prepare for any that could potentially mutate by understanding what triggers the mutation and it's potential symptoms. All these that you eat in the UK carry a different corona virus strain - cows, turkeys, chickens, rabbits, pigs(x4) there's just a matter of time one of them mutate here, it only takes it mutating in one person to spread. Everyone should also be tested for antibodies because people who've had the infection the antibodies have been weak and don't last long enough to prevent reinfection. Someone will have stronger antibodies which can be used for passive immunization. But the government's think testing everyone is too expensive but if it brings it closer to immunity for all its going to be worth more than the lengths and costs they will have to go to try and eradicate this virus. There are no reports, unless I'm mistaken, that covid 19 is a mutated CoV or that it has mutated. There are different CoVs as there are different influenzas. The CoVs are zoonotic because they come animals. There is a hypothesis that what passed to us humans wasn't even a pathogen (disease causing microbe) but evolved in us to become so. Hence, not sure what you're trying to say with regards to your zoonotic paragraph. As for passive immunity, is that not purely from mother to unborn child and is only temporary. Zoonotic is where a strain crosses species barrier. H1n1 was zoonotic from pigs to humans. When a strain breaks it's norm from a singular species only it becomes a zoonotic strain. Humans have corona strains 4 to be exact that don't infect anything other than humans. This strain covid19 has been shown to come from the strain bats carry, thus covid19 being a zoonotic now human mutation of the virus. Mers and sars both are zoonotic strains. Mers from camels and sars from small mammals. Previously these strains had zero effect on humans until mutation. Passive immunization can be done artificially taking antibodies from one and giving them to another. The hopes being the body can basically take the blueprint of the antibody and replicate it. If not the antibodies will of course be short lived and only offer immunity briefly. I need to do more reading and ensure the quality of my reading (as I do being a student anyway), it's harder to absorb new knowledge and integrate with previous knowledge since the encephalitis last year. I summised swine and avian flu were zoonotic but couldn't find the literature for that. " Theres many scientific medical journals on it. The basis of the covid19 was zoonotic mutation the subsequent mutations are now no longer zoonotic since they no longer infect other species but one. Origin of the virus and the ability to cross species is what declared it zoonotic. The further mutations are now human strains. That is why the same strains that affect turkeys don't affect chickens it is not zoonotic, when they do it becomes a zoonotic virus. There are many zoonotic pathogens rabies being a prime example. Original outbreak of h1n1 was zoonotic but the further mutations of it are not. Even discovered the latest human mutation of swine flu to be less contagious being unable to pass human to human easily. But there are a various strains that are still prevalent which can and will continue to mutate. Can become more virulent or less as proven with the latest swine flu mutation. | |||
"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. " Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge. | |||
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"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge." Loads of species are cannibal (wasn't the point I was making though). I was pointing out how vegan cannot eat products where animal labour is used (such as honey). | |||
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"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge. Loads of species are cannibal (wasn't the point I was making though). I was pointing out how vegan cannot eat products where animal labour is used (such as honey). " Animal labour. Lol. Yeah fair. I'm not really disagreeing. But I suppose you could say that human labour is paid. Where as bees are unpaid. What a weird conversation! Lol | |||
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"I'm a confirmed carnivore but I did read something last year about we shouldn't eat any animal that eats other animals. Look at the days we used to feed cows with reprocessed dead sheep, we got CJD out of that. Fish at the top of the food chain like barracuda have high levels of mercury." There's a lot of information out there. Arguments for and against eating meet and dairy. It's a personal thing. Everyone should read up, or not read up, choose their own diet. | |||
"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge. Loads of species are cannibal (wasn't the point I was making though). I was pointing out how vegan cannot eat products where animal labour is used (such as honey). Animal labour. Lol. Yeah fair. I'm not really disagreeing. But I suppose you could say that human labour is paid. Where as bees are unpaid. What a weird conversation! Lol" Some human labour is paid, much is slavery. Many human child labourers are kept in conditions much worse than agricultural bee hives used for crop pollination. | |||
"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge. Loads of species are cannibal (wasn't the point I was making though). I was pointing out how vegan cannot eat products where animal labour is used (such as honey). Animal labour. Lol. Yeah fair. I'm not really disagreeing. But I suppose you could say that human labour is paid. Where as bees are unpaid. What a weird conversation! Lol Some human labour is paid, much is slavery. Many human child labourers are kept in conditions much worse than agricultural bee hives used for crop pollination. " What's the solution, grow our own food? | |||
"I'm a confirmed carnivore but I did read something last year about we shouldn't eat any animal that eats other animals. Look at the days we used to feed cows with reprocessed dead sheep, we got CJD out of that. Fish at the top of the food chain like barracuda have high levels of mercury." Tuna and swordfish apparently. Probably sharks too.. they eat just about anything... | |||
"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. Not that many people are cannibals though. At least, to the best of my knowledge. Loads of species are cannibal (wasn't the point I was making though). I was pointing out how vegan cannot eat products where animal labour is used (such as honey). Animal labour. Lol. Yeah fair. I'm not really disagreeing. But I suppose you could say that human labour is paid. Where as bees are unpaid. What a weird conversation! Lol Some human labour is paid, much is slavery. Many human child labourers are kept in conditions much worse than agricultural bee hives used for crop pollination. What's the solution, grow our own food? " A true hunter-gatherer lifestyle/diet. It's our true place in the food chain. | |||
"News Flash! People are animals too. There's no such thing as a real vegan. " I don't want to have to justify my veganism but I do take issue with this statement. I don't eat meat or meat products (including gelatine in sweets and suchlike). I don't consume dairy products. I don't eat honey. I don't eat figs (look it up). I don't wear leather or wool. I don't use any products containg lanolin (look it up). I don't consume anything containing e102 cochineal (look it up). The list is huge. A wise person once told me to eat safely is to eat low on the food chain, I think they are vindicated by current events. | |||
"Can’t remember the last time I caught a virus of celery. " That is a good point, but have you ever heard of a fungus called..Ergot? It is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat. Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony's fire. This illness was often cured by visiting the shrine of St. Anthony, which happened to be in an ergot-free region of France. Additionally, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food. Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. Women use it to treat excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, at the start of menopause, and before and after miscarriage. They also use ergot after childbirth to expel the placenta and contract the uterus. Historically, ergot was used to speed up labor, but its use was abandoned when people made a connection between the use of ergot and an increased number of stillbirths. Certain chemicals in ergot are used in prescription medicines. How does it work? Ergot contains chemicals that can help reduce bleeding by causing a narrowing of the blood vessels. Did you know Ergot is also the source of lysergic acid, from which the powerful hallucinogen lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) is easily synthesized. -------------------------------------------- In the 1980s Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen, both high ranking and well respected BBC presenters, were brought into the limelight over the fact that kidney beans were toxic if not cooked properly. I remember this the first time around, when I was in Cooking lessons in school. Here is the extract. Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen reheat 1970s chilli con carne feud 01:08, 18 October 2013 Fan fell ill trying to make the recipe in the 1970s Delia Smith became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week saying she was 'leaned' on by BBC bosses By Alasdair Glennie for the Daily Mail Published: 22:40, 17 October 2013 | When a fan fell ill after trying to make Delia Smith’s recipe for chilli con carne, he set off a celebrity feud that is continuing to simmer more than 30 years later. Miss Smith has become embroiled in a war of words with former That’s Life! presenter Esther Rantzen over accusations that the cookery writer failed to warn readers to pre-boil kidney beans to make them safe to eat. Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week by claiming she was ‘leaned’ on by her BBC bosses to apologise for broadcasting the claim in the consumer programme in the 1970s. Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipeFeud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe A viewer had written in to say he fell ‘terribly ill’ after trying out the chilli recipe in Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, a best-seller published by the BBC. It was discovered that he had failed to cook the red kidney beans in Miss Smith’s recipe thoroughly enough. The beans need to be boiled for at least ten minutes to destroy high concentrations of lectin, a harmful toxin. Recalling the incident this week, Miss Rantzen, now 73, said Miss Smith threatened to withdraw publication rights for the book from the BBC unless she received an apology. ‘At the time Delia was the biggest money-earner for the BBC,’ she said. ‘She was the Jeremy Clarkson of her day. ‘Her cookbooks were a huge money-earner for the BBC and she was about to launch another book, and I am told, and I don’t know if this is true, that she said to the BBC, “Unless That’s Life apologise I am going to take my book to another publisher”. ‘The bosses said I had to apologise. It was the most obscure apology you have ever heard. I am not sure we did not put it to music. ‘What we said was [the viewer] made the mistake?…?and we told viewers they would have to make sure [the beans] were cooked, and Delia changed her recipe. I think honour was preserved on both sides.’ Despite the passing of the years, Miss Smith, 72, remains furious over the suggestion that her recipe made the viewer ill. She also denied the suggestion that she had threatened to withdraw publication rights from the BBC. She told the Daily Mail last night that Miss Rantzen’s remarks in the 1970s were ‘very damaging’ because her original cooking instructions were ‘perfectly safe’. A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith ‘The recipe stated that the mixture should be brought up to simmering point in a flameproof casserole over direct heat, then transferred to a pre-heated oven,’ she said. ‘This meant the kidney beans did not come off the boil for two hours. ‘The one person who had complained to That’s Life! had not actually followed my recipe. The chilli had been made in a porcelain dish (ie not flameproof) and therefore placed in the oven cold.’ Miss Smith said there was ‘never any question’ of her withdrawing publication rights. ‘I have always assumed that it was the production team that finally realised they had acted irresponsibly and committed a libel, whatever Miss Rantzen thinks she now remembers,’ she said. Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, which has been reprinted many times, now contains a clear warning on the importance of cooking kidney beans thoroughly. --------------------------------------------------- Rice is a high-risk food due to Bacillus cereus. Spores of this bacterium can live in uncooked rice, and can grow and multiply once rice is cooked. To reduce your risk, eat rice as soon as it is cooked and refrigerate leftovers immediately. --------------------------------------------------- This is what annoys me about veggies and vegans: they can still eat toxic food, even if it is organic/kosher/halal. Their restrictive diet does not protect them from stop them from poor hygiene and cooking methods. BTW I did Catering at college and I have a G&G 706/1 (food handling) and a Hygiene certificate too. Eating meat/dairy/animal isn't always bad for you, but sloppiness is. Ask any =one who has buggered up a home brew kit and suffered the consequences. | |||
"Can’t remember the last time I caught a virus of celery. That is a good point, but have you ever heard of a fungus called..Ergot? It is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat. Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony's fire. This illness was often cured by visiting the shrine of St. Anthony, which happened to be in an ergot-free region of France. Additionally, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food. Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. Women use it to treat excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, at the start of menopause, and before and after miscarriage. They also use ergot after childbirth to expel the placenta and contract the uterus. Historically, ergot was used to speed up labor, but its use was abandoned when people made a connection between the use of ergot and an increased number of stillbirths. Certain chemicals in ergot are used in prescription medicines. How does it work? Ergot contains chemicals that can help reduce bleeding by causing a narrowing of the blood vessels. Did you know Ergot is also the source of lysergic acid, from which the powerful hallucinogen lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) is easily synthesized. -------------------------------------------- In the 1980s Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen, both high ranking and well respected BBC presenters, were brought into the limelight over the fact that kidney beans were toxic if not cooked properly. I remember this the first time around, when I was in Cooking lessons in school. Here is the extract. Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen reheat 1970s chilli con carne feud 01:08, 18 October 2013 Fan fell ill trying to make the recipe in the 1970s Delia Smith became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week saying she was 'leaned' on by BBC bosses By Alasdair Glennie for the Daily Mail Published: 22:40, 17 October 2013 | When a fan fell ill after trying to make Delia Smith’s recipe for chilli con carne, he set off a celebrity feud that is continuing to simmer more than 30 years later. Miss Smith has become embroiled in a war of words with former That’s Life! presenter Esther Rantzen over accusations that the cookery writer failed to warn readers to pre-boil kidney beans to make them safe to eat. Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week by claiming she was ‘leaned’ on by her BBC bosses to apologise for broadcasting the claim in the consumer programme in the 1970s. Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipeFeud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe A viewer had written in to say he fell ‘terribly ill’ after trying out the chilli recipe in Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, a best-seller published by the BBC. It was discovered that he had failed to cook the red kidney beans in Miss Smith’s recipe thoroughly enough. The beans need to be boiled for at least ten minutes to destroy high concentrations of lectin, a harmful toxin. Recalling the incident this week, Miss Rantzen, now 73, said Miss Smith threatened to withdraw publication rights for the book from the BBC unless she received an apology. ‘At the time Delia was the biggest money-earner for the BBC,’ she said. ‘She was the Jeremy Clarkson of her day. ‘Her cookbooks were a huge money-earner for the BBC and she was about to launch another book, and I am told, and I don’t know if this is true, that she said to the BBC, “Unless That’s Life apologise I am going to take my book to another publisher”. ‘The bosses said I had to apologise. It was the most obscure apology you have ever heard. I am not sure we did not put it to music. ‘What we said was [the viewer] made the mistake?…?and we told viewers they would have to make sure [the beans] were cooked, and Delia changed her recipe. I think honour was preserved on both sides.’ Despite the passing of the years, Miss Smith, 72, remains furious over the suggestion that her recipe made the viewer ill. She also denied the suggestion that she had threatened to withdraw publication rights from the BBC. She told the Daily Mail last night that Miss Rantzen’s remarks in the 1970s were ‘very damaging’ because her original cooking instructions were ‘perfectly safe’. A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith ‘The recipe stated that the mixture should be brought up to simmering point in a flameproof casserole over direct heat, then transferred to a pre-heated oven,’ she said. ‘This meant the kidney beans did not come off the boil for two hours. ‘The one person who had complained to That’s Life! had not actually followed my recipe. The chilli had been made in a porcelain dish (ie not flameproof) and therefore placed in the oven cold.’ Miss Smith said there was ‘never any question’ of her withdrawing publication rights. ‘I have always assumed that it was the production team that finally realised they had acted irresponsibly and committed a libel, whatever Miss Rantzen thinks she now remembers,’ she said. Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, which has been reprinted many times, now contains a clear warning on the importance of cooking kidney beans thoroughly. --------------------------------------------------- Rice is a high-risk food due to Bacillus cereus. Spores of this bacterium can live in uncooked rice, and can grow and multiply once rice is cooked. To reduce your risk, eat rice as soon as it is cooked and refrigerate leftovers immediately. --------------------------------------------------- This is what annoys me about veggies and vegans: they can still eat toxic food, even if it is organic/kosher/halal. Their restrictive diet does not protect them from stop them from poor hygiene and cooking methods. BTW I did Catering at college and I have a G&G 706/1 (food handling) and a Hygiene certificate too. Eating meat/dairy/animal isn't always bad for you, but sloppiness is. Ask any =one who has buggered up a home brew kit and suffered the consequences. "So I still can’t remember the time I caught a virus of celery  | |||
"Can’t remember the last time I caught a virus of celery. That is a good point, but have you ever heard of a fungus called..Ergot? It is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat. Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony's fire. This illness was often cured by visiting the shrine of St. Anthony, which happened to be in an ergot-free region of France. Additionally, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food. Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. Women use it to treat excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, at the start of menopause, and before and after miscarriage. They also use ergot after childbirth to expel the placenta and contract the uterus. Historically, ergot was used to speed up labor, but its use was abandoned when people made a connection between the use of ergot and an increased number of stillbirths. Certain chemicals in ergot are used in prescription medicines. How does it work? Ergot contains chemicals that can help reduce bleeding by causing a narrowing of the blood vessels. Did you know Ergot is also the source of lysergic acid, from which the powerful hallucinogen lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) is easily synthesized. -------------------------------------------- In the 1980s Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen, both high ranking and well respected BBC presenters, were brought into the limelight over the fact that kidney beans were toxic if not cooked properly. I remember this the first time around, when I was in Cooking lessons in school. Here is the extract. Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen reheat 1970s chilli con carne feud 01:08, 18 October 2013 Fan fell ill trying to make the recipe in the 1970s Delia Smith became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week saying she was 'leaned' on by BBC bosses By Alasdair Glennie for the Daily Mail Published: 22:40, 17 October 2013 | When a fan fell ill after trying to make Delia Smith’s recipe for chilli con carne, he set off a celebrity feud that is continuing to simmer more than 30 years later. Miss Smith has become embroiled in a war of words with former That’s Life! presenter Esther Rantzen over accusations that the cookery writer failed to warn readers to pre-boil kidney beans to make them safe to eat. Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week by claiming she was ‘leaned’ on by her BBC bosses to apologise for broadcasting the claim in the consumer programme in the 1970s. Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipeFeud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe A viewer had written in to say he fell ‘terribly ill’ after trying out the chilli recipe in Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, a best-seller published by the BBC. It was discovered that he had failed to cook the red kidney beans in Miss Smith’s recipe thoroughly enough. The beans need to be boiled for at least ten minutes to destroy high concentrations of lectin, a harmful toxin. Recalling the incident this week, Miss Rantzen, now 73, said Miss Smith threatened to withdraw publication rights for the book from the BBC unless she received an apology. ‘At the time Delia was the biggest money-earner for the BBC,’ she said. ‘She was the Jeremy Clarkson of her day. ‘Her cookbooks were a huge money-earner for the BBC and she was about to launch another book, and I am told, and I don’t know if this is true, that she said to the BBC, “Unless That’s Life apologise I am going to take my book to another publisher”. ‘The bosses said I had to apologise. It was the most obscure apology you have ever heard. I am not sure we did not put it to music. ‘What we said was [the viewer] made the mistake?…?and we told viewers they would have to make sure [the beans] were cooked, and Delia changed her recipe. I think honour was preserved on both sides.’ Despite the passing of the years, Miss Smith, 72, remains furious over the suggestion that her recipe made the viewer ill. She also denied the suggestion that she had threatened to withdraw publication rights from the BBC. She told the Daily Mail last night that Miss Rantzen’s remarks in the 1970s were ‘very damaging’ because her original cooking instructions were ‘perfectly safe’. A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith ‘The recipe stated that the mixture should be brought up to simmering point in a flameproof casserole over direct heat, then transferred to a pre-heated oven,’ she said. ‘This meant the kidney beans did not come off the boil for two hours. ‘The one person who had complained to That’s Life! had not actually followed my recipe. The chilli had been made in a porcelain dish (ie not flameproof) and therefore placed in the oven cold.’ Miss Smith said there was ‘never any question’ of her withdrawing publication rights. ‘I have always assumed that it was the production team that finally realised they had acted irresponsibly and committed a libel, whatever Miss Rantzen thinks she now remembers,’ she said. Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, which has been reprinted many times, now contains a clear warning on the importance of cooking kidney beans thoroughly. --------------------------------------------------- Rice is a high-risk food due to Bacillus cereus. Spores of this bacterium can live in uncooked rice, and can grow and multiply once rice is cooked. To reduce your risk, eat rice as soon as it is cooked and refrigerate leftovers immediately. --------------------------------------------------- This is what annoys me about veggies and vegans: they can still eat toxic food, even if it is organic/kosher/halal. Their restrictive diet does not protect them from stop them from poor hygiene and cooking methods. BTW I did Catering at college and I have a G&G 706/1 (food handling) and a Hygiene certificate too. Eating meat/dairy/animal isn't always bad for you, but sloppiness is. Ask any =one who has buggered up a home brew kit and suffered the consequences.
So I still can’t remember the time I caught a virus of celery "You are lucky. Norovirus (remember that?) was plaguing hospitals a while ago. This virus has previously been found in this country on fruit and veg ----------------- Extract To acquire data on contamination with Norovirus in berry fruit and salad vegetables in the United Kingdom, one thousand one hundred and fifty two samples of fresh produce sold at retail in the UK were analysed for Norovirus. Of 568 samples of lettuce, 30 (5.3%) were Norovirus-positive. Most (24/30) lettuce samples which tested positive for Norovirus were grown in the UK and 19 of those 24 samples contained NoV GI. Seven/310 (2.3%) samples of fresh raspberries were Norovirus-positive. Most (6/7) of the positively-testing fresh raspberry samples were imported, but no predominance of a genogroup, or any seasonality, was observed. Ten/274 (3.6%) samples of frozen raspberries were Norovirus-positive. The country of origin of the positively-testing frozen raspberry samples was not identified in most (7/10) instances. The collected data add to the currently limited body of prevalence information on Norovirus in fresh produce, and indicate the need for implementation of effective food safety management of foodborne viruses. Practise good food hygiene, stay safe and eat what you enjoy. | |||
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"What is safe to eat.. ? " Food that is properly cooked through | |||
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"What is safe to eat.. ? Food that is properly cooked through" If bat is cooked thoroughly is it safe ? | |||
"What is safe to eat.. ? Food that is properly cooked through If bat is cooked thoroughly is it safe ?" Of course. Why wouldn't it be? | |||
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"What is safe to eat.. ? Food that is properly cooked through If bat is cooked thoroughly is it safe ? Of course. Why wouldn't it be?" It's how the fact it was being cooked was the problem. Whole intact bats cooked and put in soup. Means their visceral organs remain unclean and also filled with excrement. Eating whole intact animals isn't hygienic as the core of the body doesn't cook as much as the outer part. Same as having rare steak, people get beef tapeworms from the tiny cysts in the meat which contain the larvae and you ingest them. Thoroughly cooking the meat will kill the larvae and any other pathogens 99% of the time. Since there are bacteria resistant to heat just as some as resistant to cold. Since people can live for many years not knowing they have a tapeworm statistics are unreliable in calculating how many people have them. Some tapeworms just end up flushed without ever being reported and it's only in cases where the tapeworm has an effect that shows it causing severe issues that it is discovered and removed. Undercooking beef and pork increases the risks of having the parasite. | |||
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"There's nothing vegan about eating plants pollinated by bees held in captivity." Never seen vegan compost either. | |||
"What is safe to eat.. ? Food that is properly cooked through If bat is cooked thoroughly is it safe ? Of course. Why wouldn't it be? It's how the fact it was being cooked was the problem. Whole intact bats cooked and put in soup. Means their visceral organs remain unclean and also filled with excrement. Eating whole intact animals isn't hygienic as the core of the body doesn't cook as much as the outer part. Same as having rare steak, people get beef tapeworms from the tiny cysts in the meat which contain the larvae and you ingest them. Thoroughly cooking the meat will kill the larvae and any other pathogens 99% of the time. Since there are bacteria resistant to heat just as some as resistant to cold. Since people can live for many years not knowing they have a tapeworm statistics are unreliable in calculating how many people have them. Some tapeworms just end up flushed without ever being reported and it's only in cases where the tapeworm has an effect that shows it causing severe issues that it is discovered and removed. Undercooking beef and pork increases the risks of having the parasite. " They help us lose weight though.. | |||
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"guinea pigs in peru It's the top dish over there" I’ve eaten Guinea pig in Peru, looked horrible, tasted nearly as bad. Only thing I caught was how to play the pan pipes with flatulence. | |||
"CJD, swine flu, bird flu and now covid19 all from animals." CJD is a human disease | |||
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"CJD, swine flu, bird flu and now covid19 all from animals. CJD is a human disease " Which can be caught from eating infected cattle. Which was common in the 90s | |||
"CJD, swine flu, bird flu and now covid19 all from animals. CJD is a human disease Which can be caught from eating infected cattle. Which was common in the 90s" No it's not. CJD has always been a human disease, you are thinking of nvcjd | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)" To be honest, I don't think it's fair to impose our chosen model of morality on other nations. I'm sure they think that our choices are bizarre compared to their normal too. Cal | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........) To be honest, I don't think it's fair to impose our chosen model of morality on other nations. I'm sure they think that our choices are bizarre compared to their normal too. Cal" I didn't, I merely mentioned it was in China. If you check, the thread title says OUR treatment of animals, meaning the human race. | |||
"There are many plant viruses that have crossed and entered into mammals and effect our cells negatively. So any suggestion of vegetarian is of a higher order for this reason is flawed. Also anyone suggesting the its China's fault because of some idea that they have bad practices may wish to look closer at home and think twice about pointing fingers. It's often in situations like this that people's chips come to light, be it racism or religion or whatever their issue is. It's good to look closely at why we react or respond in the negative manner that we do. "
It's an aspect of our lifestyles globally. It seems to give some people comfort to point fingers of blame, rather than accept the dissonance that we all have, due to how we live and what we have done to the world. | |||
"No, the shift from hunter gatherer to farming of grain created storage and consumption of low variety foods, which in turn caused rats and invented diseases, the most movable the bubonic plague Vegans 1 Carnivores 0" What about the omnivores?  | |||
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"So no one thinks this was a lab based human made virus ?? Just me then" https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/the-novel-coronavirus-was-not-engineered-in-a-lab-new-research-confirms/ Knowledge is power. | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........) To be honest, I don't think it's fair to impose our chosen model of morality on other nations. I'm sure they think that our choices are bizarre compared to their normal too. Cal" All nations have imposed their model of morality on other nations. And actually sometimes for the better When the hygiene and animal welfare standards of a country effect the world like this has they should absolutely be shamed for it | |||
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"Funny how all the vegan shit was the only stuff left in supermarkets the other day. So vegans don't stupidly panic buy? Probably they dont like the look a likey stuff, if you dont eat meat, which is fine, why buy stuff that is made to taste and look like it." Because I fancy food that resembles a 'burger' along with my friends when I'm at a restaurant without the killing and potential of mistreating of an animal  | |||
"I'm by no means a vegan but I agree it's down to our interaction with animals...when I first read the word 'pangolin' I thought 'wtf is that?! Won't just a simple fish do?' Regardless of what we may think of other nations' food habits though, the scary truth is that other forms of life that have not been too exposed to humans and are, as such, "foreign territory" do have their own viruses...and the more humans breach the habitats of those animals, the more they get exposed to those viruses that unfortunately can be deadly to us. "This. | |||
"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's'
Ours is correct this is not the only diseases to come from animals
This one originated in china because of their cruel, filthy methods of producing food "not true at all its not even connected to animals it is how ever connected to the biological lab in wuhan where they was working on the corona virus funded by usa | |||
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"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)" Au contraire, Vegans/vegetarians ARE the reason...All you animal luvin hugging keepers are more likely to catch a virus  | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........)" no | |||
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"Out of interest.. do sharks carry any virus that is harmful to humans ?" If I wanted to know about sharks carrying virusus. I probably wouldn't be asking on a swingers website. I'd probably start with Google and look up some science blogs and papers on the subject. | |||
"Out of interest.. do sharks carry any virus that is harmful to humans ?" Tom, you really have to get a grip on this obsession with sharks! Did you have a traumatic event whilst watching Jaws or something! Seek therapy man!  | |||
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"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........) Au contraire, Vegans/vegetarians ARE the reason...All you animal luvin hugging keepers are more likely to catch a virus "I want it noted right here that I've never shagged a pangolin! | |||
"Can’t remember the last time I caught a virus of celery. That is a good point, but have you ever heard of a fungus called..Ergot? It is a fungus that grows on rye and less commonly on other grasses such as wheat. Ergot has an interesting history. During the Middle Ages, ergotism, a severe reaction to ergot-contaminated food (such as rye bread), was common and was known as St. Anthony's fire. This illness was often cured by visiting the shrine of St. Anthony, which happened to be in an ergot-free region of France. Additionally, some historians believe that ergot played a role in the Salem witch hunt of 1692. They think that some women in Salem developed peculiar behaviors and accused other women of being witches as a result of eating ergot-contaminated food. Despite serious safety concerns, ergot has been used as medicine. Women use it to treat excessive bleeding during menstrual periods, at the start of menopause, and before and after miscarriage. They also use ergot after childbirth to expel the placenta and contract the uterus. Historically, ergot was used to speed up labor, but its use was abandoned when people made a connection between the use of ergot and an increased number of stillbirths. Certain chemicals in ergot are used in prescription medicines. How does it work? Ergot contains chemicals that can help reduce bleeding by causing a narrowing of the blood vessels. Did you know Ergot is also the source of lysergic acid, from which the powerful hallucinogen lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) is easily synthesized. -------------------------------------------- In the 1980s Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen, both high ranking and well respected BBC presenters, were brought into the limelight over the fact that kidney beans were toxic if not cooked properly. I remember this the first time around, when I was in Cooking lessons in school. Here is the extract. Delia Smith and Esther Rantzen reheat 1970s chilli con carne feud 01:08, 18 October 2013 Fan fell ill trying to make the recipe in the 1970s Delia Smith became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week saying she was 'leaned' on by BBC bosses By Alasdair Glennie for the Daily Mail Published: 22:40, 17 October 2013 | When a fan fell ill after trying to make Delia Smith’s recipe for chilli con carne, he set off a celebrity feud that is continuing to simmer more than 30 years later. Miss Smith has become embroiled in a war of words with former That’s Life! presenter Esther Rantzen over accusations that the cookery writer failed to warn readers to pre-boil kidney beans to make them safe to eat. Miss Rantzen reheated the row this week by claiming she was ‘leaned’ on by her BBC bosses to apologise for broadcasting the claim in the consumer programme in the 1970s. Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipeFeud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe Feud: Delia Smith (left) became embroiled in a war of words with Esther Rantzen (right) after a row over a chilli con carne recipe A viewer had written in to say he fell ‘terribly ill’ after trying out the chilli recipe in Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, a best-seller published by the BBC. It was discovered that he had failed to cook the red kidney beans in Miss Smith’s recipe thoroughly enough. The beans need to be boiled for at least ten minutes to destroy high concentrations of lectin, a harmful toxin. Recalling the incident this week, Miss Rantzen, now 73, said Miss Smith threatened to withdraw publication rights for the book from the BBC unless she received an apology. ‘At the time Delia was the biggest money-earner for the BBC,’ she said. ‘She was the Jeremy Clarkson of her day. ‘Her cookbooks were a huge money-earner for the BBC and she was about to launch another book, and I am told, and I don’t know if this is true, that she said to the BBC, “Unless That’s Life apologise I am going to take my book to another publisher”. ‘The bosses said I had to apologise. It was the most obscure apology you have ever heard. I am not sure we did not put it to music. ‘What we said was [the viewer] made the mistake?…?and we told viewers they would have to make sure [the beans] were cooked, and Delia changed her recipe. I think honour was preserved on both sides.’ Despite the passing of the years, Miss Smith, 72, remains furious over the suggestion that her recipe made the viewer ill. She also denied the suggestion that she had threatened to withdraw publication rights from the BBC. She told the Daily Mail last night that Miss Rantzen’s remarks in the 1970s were ‘very damaging’ because her original cooking instructions were ‘perfectly safe’. A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe A spicy dish with a dash of controversy: Delia's chilli recipe Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith Tasty dish: The recipe for chilli con carne was 'perfectly safe' according to Miss Smith ‘The recipe stated that the mixture should be brought up to simmering point in a flameproof casserole over direct heat, then transferred to a pre-heated oven,’ she said. ‘This meant the kidney beans did not come off the boil for two hours. ‘The one person who had complained to That’s Life! had not actually followed my recipe. The chilli had been made in a porcelain dish (ie not flameproof) and therefore placed in the oven cold.’ Miss Smith said there was ‘never any question’ of her withdrawing publication rights. ‘I have always assumed that it was the production team that finally realised they had acted irresponsibly and committed a libel, whatever Miss Rantzen thinks she now remembers,’ she said. Delia Smith’s Cookery Course, which has been reprinted many times, now contains a clear warning on the importance of cooking kidney beans thoroughly. --------------------------------------------------- Rice is a high-risk food due to Bacillus cereus. Spores of this bacterium can live in uncooked rice, and can grow and multiply once rice is cooked. To reduce your risk, eat rice as soon as it is cooked and refrigerate leftovers immediately. --------------------------------------------------- This is what annoys me about veggies and vegans: they can still eat toxic food, even if it is organic/kosher/halal. Their restrictive diet does not protect them from stop them from poor hygiene and cooking methods. BTW I did Catering at college and I have a G&G 706/1 (food handling) and a Hygiene certificate too. Eating meat/dairy/animal isn't always bad for you, but sloppiness is. Ask any =one who has buggered up a home brew kit and suffered the consequences.
So I still can’t remember the time I caught a virus of celery "I fell ill after eating a raddish, full on anaphylatic attacks, never was allergic to anything until then, now I'm allergic to garlic. Watch out for them pesticides on veg n fruit too. the future's so bright | |||
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"You need to replace 'our' with the word 'china's' "AND add a whole list of other countries in Name one that treats animals well and should not be on the list include miss treats people Or fails to act to stop the miss treatment of life | |||
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"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........) Au contraire, Vegans/vegetarians ARE the reason...All you animal luvin hugging keepers are more likely to catch a virus
I want it noted right here that I've never shagged a pangolin!"Is that what her nickname was | |||
"Pangolins or bats or whatever in a China market? (Light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance.........) Au contraire, Vegans/vegetarians ARE the reason...All you animal luvin hugging keepers are more likely to catch a virus
I want it noted right here that I've never shagged a pangolin!
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"Take a look at this: https://youtu.be/TPpoJGYlW54" Pretty damning stuff. Apart from the consequences for the human race it is absolutely sickening to see animals treated so inhumanely. | |||
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"Take a look at this: https://youtu.be/TPpoJGYlW54 Pretty damning stuff. Apart from the consequences for the human race it is absolutely sickening to see animals treated so inhumanely." It is ironic that D Trump is building up to invoice China for the costs and compensation for the "China Virus" yet nothing was said to America when Spanish Flu came over with troops from there. Although unproven, there is strong evidence SF originated in the US. Any contact with any animal carries a risks of pathogenic transfer. Its just we are more strict on testing and cull the whole farm if anything suspect surfaces to avoid doubt. As seen in the video the risks are amolified when more living species are kept togther. Anyone see BBC documentry on Tiger body parts trade - "Hunting the Hunters" that was truly shocking too. | |||
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"Out of interest.. do sharks carry any virus that is harmful to humans ?" Yes they most certainly do, a flipping great set of teeth . | |||
"Out of interest.. do sharks carry any virus that is harmful to humans ? Yes they most certainly do, a flipping great set of teeth ." Oh no, you've mentioned the "s" word, wait for it.......! (Only kidding Tom! ) | |||
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"There are still plenty of diseases that jump from animal to human without it involving food. Look at Lyme's disease and bubonic plague to name but two... " Also rabies. | |||
"Think the point is being missed... Farmed animals go through vigorous and constant testing and should anything out the ordinary occur, the whole farm stock is culled and destroyed to prevent open and ongoing transmission to humans - a pandemic such as Swine Flu, MERS, SARS, and Spanush Flu to name a few. The problem with wild animals (including sharks) is not the culture, it is the risks involved of not being able to test the field. On top of this, it is not usual for species to offer a bridge to humans without a 2nd host. When you see markets of live wild animals from various parts of the world all living and breathing, significantly increases the odds of an escape. The practice of eating wild animals is morally no different, it is that no-one would know meat is infected until too late. When Bird Flu is about, domestic and farmed birds need to be covered up or taken in to prevent infection crossing into poultry, but the real risk in such an event is the potential to further mutate and enter humans to run riot. Remember they locked all free range chickens in coups a couple of years ago - it was to prevent birds becomming a jump host to humans. Normally a farmer or someone who is infected will quickly become poorly and incapacitated or be die therefore stopping transfer to population. The nightmare with COVID19 is the incubation period which is favorable to transmission. Any living creature carries its own pathogens, it is when they find a route to humans is the problem. Farmed stock is inherently safer to humans as there are less 'unknowns'. " Living creatures carry their own microbes. They are not necessarily pathogens unless they cause a disease. Take us for example, we have Staph A living harmlessly on and in us, it gets into a wound and the bacterium becomes a pathogen. | |||
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"Absolutley.. I was using virus example as this seems to ne the topic of the day. Fish - Don't go there!!" I just wanted to give a factual example hence bacterial. "Good" viruses are less well-known. | |||
"Absolutley.. I was using virus example as this seems to ne the topic of the day. Fish - Don't go there!! I just wanted to give a factual example hence bacterial. "Good" viruses are less well-known. " Is that like those yoghurts like Yaghult? Good bacteria for your stomach.. | |||
"There are still plenty of diseases that jump from animal to human without it involving food. Look at Lyme's disease and bubonic plague to name but two... Also rabies. " That's definitely another one although it's direct animal to human contact whereas the two I mentioned are transmitted by fleas that also attacked rats (plague) and ticks that attack deer (lymes) | |||
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"Absolutley.. I was using virus example as this seems to ne the topic of the day. Fish - Don't go there!! I just wanted to give a factual example hence bacterial. "Good" viruses are less well-known. Is that like those yoghurts like Yaghult? Good bacteria for your stomach.." Humans have a symbiotic relationship with certain bacteria as do other animals. Viruses can be manipulated into being beneficial. Some theories that they are symbiotic to a point even though they make us unwell. They could provide a degree of protection when things go wrong with bacterial imbalance or loss of the beneficial bacteria. It's theorized in humans but noted in mice. Lactobacillus acidophilus is essential to humans it aids digestion naturally and necessary for vaginal health. Without lactobacillus in the vagina the bacteria gardnerella vaginalis takes over its the cause for bacterial diagnosis. Both are natural to the vagina but lactobacillus acidophilus keeps it in check by maintaining ph naturally. | |||
"Absolutley.. I was using virus example as this seems to ne the topic of the day. Fish - Don't go there!! I just wanted to give a factual example hence bacterial. "Good" viruses are less well-known. Is that like those yoghurts like Yaghult? Good bacteria for your stomach.. Humans have a symbiotic relationship with certain bacteria as do other animals. Viruses can be manipulated into being beneficial. Some theories that they are symbiotic to a point even though they make us unwell. They could provide a degree of protection when things go wrong with bacterial imbalance or loss of the beneficial bacteria. It's theorized in humans but noted in mice. Lactobacillus acidophilus is essential to humans it aids digestion naturally and necessary for vaginal health. Without lactobacillus in the vagina the bacteria gardnerella vaginalis takes over its the cause for bacterial diagnosis. Both are natural to the vagina but lactobacillus acidophilus keeps it in check by maintaining ph naturally. " Cause for bacterial vaginosis* | |||
"Absolutley.. Humans have a symbiotic relationship with certain bacteria as do other animals. Viruses can be manipulated into being beneficial. Some theories that they are symbiotic to a point even though they make us unwell. They could provide a degree of protection when things go wrong with bacterial imbalance or loss of the beneficial bacteria. " OF course where it starts getting really odd is when fungi like Cordyceps get involved that alter the behavior of animals/insects affected by the spores. Creepy. Imagine that happening to us. Actually someone already did, there's a video game where it happens, called 'The Last of Us' | |||
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"Out of interest.. do sharks carry any virus that is harmful to humans ?" Not sure about that, but they contain a substance called squalamine, which is being studied to see how it can save human lives by killing bacteria and viruses. Sharks saving lives...who'd a thunked it? | |||
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"When the do=do hits the fan.... vegans are going to be top on my hunting list. Grain fed, lean, reared outdoors. Gotta taste good, right ? "Are you saying you think I'm fit?  | |||
"It can be made on a lab easily without surfer deaths.. " Double win, I'm a vegan surfer! | |||
