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Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again? |
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over a year ago
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Would u believe someone saying they were clear I certainly would not
Even if they were they might be able to transmit but having the virus on thier clothes or body
So stay safe |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?"
I don't care if people claim to be immune or not I will not be meeting anyone until the government declare this all over or if had a vaccine. Anyone who meets without these things in place in stupid and irresponsible. |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing"
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead? |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?" is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe |
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Still be giving it a while after the Gov say all is clear, never trusted them anyway and I'm not desperate enough to be rushing into bed with the first woman who opens their legs |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?"
You obviously missed the bit about being able to pick it up on hand's etc and being able to pass it on.
The testing on NHS staff is to keep them working on already infected people not to infect the uninfected.
Besides we are not talking about immunity for the good of the nation but so someone can get their end away.HUGE difference |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wanna go to immune
If it’s really made of cheese I might not come back!
I have officially sunk to laughing at this. My brain cells are dying rapidly. "
Maybe you’ll be on my intellectual level soon |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wanna go to immune
If it’s really made of cheese I might not come back!
I have officially sunk to laughing at this. My brain cells are dying rapidly.
Maybe you’ll be on my intellectual level soon"
Intellect
No idea what I’m saying here I have a migraine |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?"
Also no need to be rude, I don't use Facebook this is about as close to social networking as I get.
All the information I read is in official government site's to avoid misinformation |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe "
Well judging by the mass social exclusion on here of anyone trying to meet (of which there's been loads of people culled for) I'd have to disagree with you.
I know from my own inbox that lots of people are still trying to meet.
In the senario I described above, it's only people who are tested as recovered and are now immune actually meeting up.
If you have had the virus, survive and then meet somebody who's lying about having had it and are actually infected, you don't catch it again. Just like other viruses you probably had in the past - chickenpox, measles, mumps etc, you don't catch it again. |
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On the basis you can’t catch things twice like chickenpox I can assure you that you can I had it as a boy then got it again when I was in the navy the doctor laughed when I said I had had it before but came back later to appoligise after reading my medical records unusual for an officer to apologise to a pleb like me lol |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe
Well judging by the mass social exclusion on here of anyone trying to meet (of which there's been loads of people culled for) I'd have to disagree with you.
I know from my own inbox that lots of people are still trying to meet.
In the senario I described above, it's only people who are tested as recovered and are now immune actually meeting up.
If you have had the virus, survive and then meet somebody who's lying about having had it and are actually infected, you don't catch it again. Just like other viruses you probably had in the past - chickenpox, measles, mumps etc, you don't catch it again." does the fact they're asking for a meet make them desperate though maybe minus a few brain cells yes, i can imagine a lot of people are not following the crisis on the news i certainly am not, they are maybe not as informed as you |
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"On the basis you can’t catch things twice like chickenpox I can assure you that you can I had it as a boy then got it again when I was in the navy the doctor laughed when I said I had had it before but came back later to appoligise after reading my medical records unusual for an officer to apologise to a pleb like me lol"
Except that doctor should have explained to you that you didn't catch it twice, it in fact came from inside you where any previous virus can gain a stronghold if you have a weakened immune system (for example). That's why everybody around you didn't catch it again.
Sorry for your pain. |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?"
If you're genuinely a frontline worker, you will have been briefed on the potentially inaccurate test results and be aware that even though you may be clear, you can still touch contaminated surfaces and transmit by freely moving around and interacting with others? I'm sure you'll wash and sanitize but it's still a risk? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?"
so basically thinking with your cock.... gotcha!!!! |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were. "
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick. |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick."
About time x |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?
If you're genuinely a frontline worker, you will have been briefed on the potentially inaccurate test results and be aware that even though you may be clear, you can still touch contaminated surfaces and transmit by freely moving around and interacting with others? I'm sure you'll wash and sanitize but it's still a risk? "
At work I wash and sanitise probably every 10-15 minutes.
People are ignoring my point.
I'm only talking about how once 2 people (or more) have been tested positive for antibodies and they meet (then more meeting once tested).
NOT
people meeting anyone who is NOT antibody positive.
Why us the simplest of points overlooked so the unneeded preaching can begin? I never understand this about the threads here. Lack of understanding and knee jerk reactions.
I'm can banned again soon for brushing an ego no doubt.
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
About time x"
Bravo!!! |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick."
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population. |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population."
Not what both me and my daughter (shes currently working on a corona ward) are being told from our bosses.
What's your inside source? |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?"
I daresay there are those naive enough to think that by catching it now it "gets it over with" for a variety of reasons
I can also see, and have seen, numerous cases of playing on the "I work for the NHS" thing, much the same as some play on "I'm in the services/police/fire service" as a means to get a meet, or Fabs etc
I don't know enough about how "immune" someone actually is once they have had and recovered from the virus to comment - but have heard conflicting reports (from respected scientists not someone on an internet forum) as to whether you are actually completely immune and incapable of passing it on once you have caught it - therefore until I hear an all clear from a reliable source that life can go back to normal I shan't be doing so. |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population.
Not what both me and my daughter (shes currently working on a corona ward) are being told from our bosses.
What's your inside source? "
Chris whitty!
They are testing workers to see if they have it but the antibody test is new so they are randomly testing to see how accurate it is.
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population.
Not what both me and my daughter (shes currently working on a corona ward) are being told from our bosses.
What's your inside source?
Chris whitty!
They are testing workers to see if they have it but the antibody test is new so they are randomly testing to see how accurate it is.
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Sorry, I thought you meant you had something internal to quote from.
And for clarity - I'm not meeting at all. Too busy working night shift at the best if times, never mind now.
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population.
Not what both me and my daughter (shes currently working on a corona ward) are being told from our bosses.
What's your inside source?
Chris whitty!
They are testing workers to see if they have it but the antibody test is new so they are randomly testing to see how accurate it is.
Sorry, I thought you meant you had something internal to quote from.
And for clarity - I'm not meeting at all. Too busy working night shift at the best if times, never mind now.
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Q U E S T I O N"
Nope sorry only official public information from the chief medical officer. Sorry it's not hearsay! |
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"There is an article on New Scientist about it published 3 days ago. It's not conclusive just yet... but good luck to you. "
Exactly but the OP knows best. It's being tested as we speak. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Not until some kind of paperwork is available , pretty sure we had it November , I was in and out of Heathrow and Dubai most weeks , and on the metro in both cities daily. Had malaria in Oct and remember now thinking I had a mini relapse / fever in late Nov |
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"There is an article on New Scientist about it published 3 days ago. It's not conclusive just yet... but good luck to you.
Exactly but the OP knows best. It's being tested as we speak. "
Knows best by saying what exactly? What time frame did I include in my statements? None at all.
But I'm sure you know best. |
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"On the basis you can’t catch things twice like chickenpox I can assure you that you can I had it as a boy then got it again when I was in the navy the doctor laughed when I said I had had it before but came back later to appoligise after reading my medical records unusual for an officer to apologise to a pleb like me lol"
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"There is an article on New Scientist about it published 3 days ago. It's not conclusive just yet... but good luck to you.
Exactly but the OP knows best. It's being tested as we speak.
Knows best by saying what exactly? What time frame did I include in my statements? None at all.
But I'm sure you know best."
You said people who recovered and are allowed out NOW. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe
Well judging by the mass social exclusion on here of anyone trying to meet (of which there's been loads of people culled for) I'd have to disagree with you.
I know from my own inbox that lots of people are still trying to meet.
In the senario I described above, it's only people who are tested as recovered and are now immune actually meeting up.
If you have had the virus, survive and then meet somebody who's lying about having had it and are actually infected, you don't catch it again. Just like other viruses you probably had in the past - chickenpox, measles, mumps etc, you don't catch it again."
In any known virus some people will always get it more than once. There are no guarantees in life.
I wouldn’t trust one word about having had the virus and now being safe to meet. People lie about bareback sex and that could kill you. Trust nobody else with your health |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?"
I didn't think they'd be giving everyone antibody tests? They are not even testing everyone for covid19.
I did wonder what I was supposed to do with my isolation notice. Is that how meets will be in future? Checking my driving licence with the details on my nhs notices
I personally have no interest in meeting anyone right now, after this has all blown through us all I'll consider cautiously meeting my friends but anyone new is simply not a priority at all. |
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It is uncommon to suffer from the same virus twice, but it can and does happen. There are 2 cases I am aware of that suggest CV19 may be able to reinfect someone if the circumstances are right for it |
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick.
No they are not.
They are beginning testing NHS staff to see if they have the virus but the antibody test is only being tested on a randomly selected group then it's going to be rolled out to NHS staff then the wider population.
Not what both me and my daughter (shes currently working on a corona ward) are being told from our bosses.
What's your inside source?
Chris whitty!
They are testing workers to see if they have it but the antibody test is new so they are randomly testing to see how accurate it is.
Sorry, I thought you meant you had something internal to quote from.
And for clarity - I'm not meeting at all. Too busy working night shift at the best if times, never mind now.
H Y P E R T H E T I C A L
Q U E S T I O N"
Good to see a health professional who doesn't know the difference between hyper and hypo! |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?" The problem is the lack of clarity about the persistence of immunity - currently the testing is antigen, not antibody related - so a the oment we're testing for risk of transmission, not risk of re-infection. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Are they testing for immunity now? Would be great if they were.
They're begining to test us (key workers) for antibodies so we are no longer a risk of transmission and can go back to work after being sick."
You're receiving the antigen tests, the antibody tests are to see if people have previously had it. Antigen tests just say if you have it right now. |
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"Doesn't mean that they still can't spread it.
It means nothing
You're aware that front line key workers like myself will be getting tested for the very reason that we will be allowed back to work and out in society because once immunised you are not only past the stage where it can be transmitted but you are also creating herd immunity.
Or did you miss all the science and stuck to fakenewsbook instead?"
If you're a nurse then you know you can transfer a pathogen from one surface to another. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Still be giving it a while after the Gov say all is clear, never trusted them anyway and I'm not desperate enough to be rushing into bed with the first woman who opens their legs "
Damn, I wanted to be first in line |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?"
It has been reported some people have caught the virus twice. |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?
It has been reported some people have caught the virus twice. " in that case you're never meet anyone ever again? |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?
It has been reported some people have caught the virus twice. in that case you're never meet anyone ever again? "
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe "
Very much this yeah I'm missing getting my leg over but I'm missing normal life more |
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My take is
Statistically it's a positive idea to be given the virus and isolate until statistically likely one is immune from cov-SARS2
Morally the inevitable two tier society is a minefield
It is sensible however to wait longer for more data to reinforce the hypothesis that a almost certainly most will become immune and b around 80 percent will hardly suffer from infection
However there will always be unknowns always unknowns the government wont know or may not tell you about
It never has been "safe" to meet and it certainly never will be
Cov-sars2 is only one more to a grand list of infectious diseases that can harm all of us
Let's not forget that some are now susceptible to the killer measles
What if the vaccine developed has a 0.00045 chance of giving a child autism or early onset dementia
Risk balance is difficult very difficult maybe impossible so that's why some smoke some drive faster so eat bacon
Some exercise so eat what they reason is balanced healthy food
And many spread their risks and most of us bury the hard reality of how risky daily life is
Imo cov-SARS2 is deadly due to current infection rate and not due to it being a certain horrible death virus such as Ebola which is still out there
As mentioned above if you're waiting for an all clear to avoid risk it will not be coming ever
We of course hope cov-sars2 will not mutate
Yet h1-n flus do mutate daily
At any day a flu virus or any other can within our vastly overpopulated populations (cities) change to more benign spreaders or absolute killers anywhere in the world
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?is anybody actually desperate to shag, i dont think so, keen to get back to life maybe
Well judging by the mass social exclusion on here of anyone trying to meet (of which there's been loads of people culled for) I'd have to disagree with you.
I know from my own inbox that lots of people are still trying to meet.
In the senario I described above, it's only people who are tested as recovered and are now immune actually meeting up.
If you have had the virus, survive and then meet somebody who's lying about having had it and are actually infected, you don't catch it again. Just like other viruses you probably had in the past - chickenpox, measles, mumps etc, you don't catch it again."
Actually you can be reinfected despite having had it once. That has happened in china and italy i read from the BBC. Best not to take the risk i think. |
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"Cam people see a new clique of those who have recovered and are now allowed out and about risk free, start to appear as more and more people test as antibody positive?
And will this lead to desperate cases of people trying to get their infection over with just to go shagging again?
It has been reported some people have caught the virus twice. "
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Without playing down Corona virus, you're possibly at more risk from serious illness from unprotected sex or damaged condom
Yes, there's a higher chance of catching Corona virus but not of dying from it
Remember only a small percentage of people die from it and most recover fully within a week
Not that meeting until government restrictions are over goes without saying, but waiting for a guaranteed immunity isn't gonna happen. |
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"Without playing down Corona virus, you're possibly at more risk from serious illness from unprotected sex or damaged condom
Yes, there's a higher chance of catching Corona virus but not of dying from it
Remember only a small percentage of people die from it and most recover fully within a week
Not that meeting until government restrictions are over goes without saying, but waiting for a guaranteed immunity isn't gonna happen." . That's only if everyone sticks to the rules. |
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If people take the time to read about it, it's not a virus it's a protein covered in fat cells. It dies slowly on its own if no host to keep it alive. Sorry but never going to beat this one,have to lean to live with it like aids and a 100 other things that kill people. We are trying to play god again when are we going to wake up. |
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"If people take the time to read about it, it's not a virus it's a protein covered in fat cells. It dies slowly on its own if no host to keep it alive. Sorry but never going to beat this one,have to lean to live with it like aids and a 100 other things that kill people. We are trying to play god again when are we going to wake up." . Very true
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