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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths" I expect a yearly flu season lock down from now on. December to march no one but essential people can go out. Stay in save lifes as people spread the cold/flu around every season and spread it to millions world wide. (I say this in sarcasm as i am very skeptacle of whats going on in the world right now). Why have we never implemented lock downs during these winter months before? Is hundreds of thousands of lives unimportant? Why now are we stopping a multi trillion worldwide economy for numbers that havnt touched the numbers yearly flu causes? This has been going in since december and we are now close to april the number of cases and deaths is a fraction of the number that in that same period get flu and die from it. | |||
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"The nhs give the annual flu jab free to certain groups and it's only around 8 quid for everyone else...but people still dont get the vaccine so until people take vaccines seriously I doubt there is little more to do..." My mum got the flu vaccine the winter before last, few days later she had the worst case of flu she had ever had and lasted twice as long as any flu shes had. She said she will never take the jab ever again and will stick to eating fruits and supplument in vit C and D and zinc to keep up her immune system. Careful what you wish for forced vaccines are incoming with these drastic draconian new laws being pushed through parliament | |||
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" Careful what you wish for forced vaccines are incoming with these drastic draconian new laws being pushed through parliament " Works for some, haven’t had cough or cold for many years and dint take anything except VitC/Zinc and superfood/herbal but if you regularly take pharmaceutical drugs and don’t eat healthily your immune will be bust and you need vaccinating. | |||
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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths" This is got to be the best post I've seen on here in a week. Hat goes off to you  | |||
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"The nhs give the annual flu jab free to certain groups and it's only around 8 quid for everyone else...but people still dont get the vaccine so until people take vaccines seriously I doubt there is little more to do... My mum got the flu vaccine the winter before last, few days later she had the worst case of flu she had ever had and lasted twice as long as any flu shes had. She said she will never take the jab ever again and will stick to eating fruits and supplument in vit C and D and zinc to keep up her immune system. Careful what you wish for forced vaccines are incoming with these drastic draconian new laws being pushed through parliament " I had it and got pneumonia a couple of months after...its not a 100% vaccine as you can guess I agree...but it's all we've got... | |||
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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths" Yes, even though at this rate Corona virus will kill many more people than flu will in this country, we should still take flu seriously. Don’t forget all those flu deaths are still going to be going on. The corona deaths are on top of all the ‘normal’ deaths we have. -Matt | |||
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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths" Please can people stop comparing the two based on an article they read on a newspaper website. It's like trying to compair the amount of people dying of heart attack compaired to cancer. It's different. Also flu has been round for years so of course the numbers will be higher because it's established. C19 is new. Let's come back to this in ten years see how the figures compare. In the mean time let's not focus on the deaths,it's about treatment of people who require hospital treatment and prevention of them dying. I really don't know why you are bringing this up again it serves zero purpose,other than if you are suggesting we should just let people die is that what you are saying?? | |||
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"Compared to Flu related deaths the world as gone crazy with its enforced shutdowns, people could think they have Covid-19 & die of the Flu or worse because of closed doctors surgeries & wrong 111 diagnosis. And now why the panic now with this virus when viruses like Avian / Swine flu seemed to go unnoticed by the governments... " Ummm Avian and Swine flu *were* taken seriously and lessons were learnt there. That is why countries that have dealt with those in the past are doing much better than those that haven’t in handling this current pandemic. You seem to think that there is no call for alarm due to this outbreak? Why so, given you know it is causing massive overloading of our health system and many more people are going to die? -Matt | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK." Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. | |||
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"Compared to Flu related deaths the world as gone crazy with its enforced shutdowns, people could think they have Covid-19 & die of the Flu or worse because of closed doctors surgeries & wrong 111 diagnosis. And now why the panic now with this virus when viruses like Avian / Swine flu seemed to go unnoticed by the governments... Ummm Avian and Swine flu *were* taken seriously and lessons were learnt there. That is why countries that have dealt with those in the past are doing much better than those that haven’t in handling this current pandemic. You seem to think that there is no call for alarm due to this outbreak? Why so, given you know it is causing massive overloading of our health system and many more people are going to die? -Matt" I have to agree, the NHS are overwhelmed with the number of cases, coming through the doors on a daily basis. This is why we are in lock down, to slow it down. Do you really think being in lock down for 3 weeks will stop covid-19? | |||
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"Compared to Flu related deaths the world as gone crazy with its enforced shutdowns, people could think they have Covid-19 & die of the Flu or worse because of closed doctors surgeries & wrong 111 diagnosis. And now why the panic now with this virus when viruses like Avian / Swine flu seemed to go unnoticed by the governments... Ummm Avian and Swine flu *were* taken seriously and lessons were learnt there. That is why countries that have dealt with those in the past are doing much better than those that haven’t in handling this current pandemic. You seem to think that there is no call for alarm due to this outbreak? Why so, given you know it is causing massive overloading of our health system and many more people are going to die? -Matt I have to agree, the NHS are overwhelmed with the number of cases, coming through the doors on a daily basis. This is why we are in lock down, to slow it down. Do you really think being in lock down for 3 weeks will stop covid-19? " No but the figure of 3 week's was an optimistic one. | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. " Right. So less than what we are looking at with Covid-19. So why claim that Covid-19 is less deadly and that the concern at the moment is unwarranted? -Matt | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. " Do you realise that 30000 is less than 5000000? | |||
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"Compared to Flu related deaths the world as gone crazy with its enforced shutdowns, people could think they have Covid-19 & die of the Flu or worse because of closed doctors surgeries & wrong 111 diagnosis. And now why the panic now with this virus when viruses like Avian / Swine flu seemed to go unnoticed by the governments... Ummm Avian and Swine flu *were* taken seriously and lessons were learnt there. That is why countries that have dealt with those in the past are doing much better than those that haven’t in handling this current pandemic. You seem to think that there is no call for alarm due to this outbreak? Why so, given you know it is causing massive overloading of our health system and many more people are going to die? -Matt I have to agree, the NHS are overwhelmed with the number of cases, coming through the doors on a daily basis. This is why we are in lock down, to slow it down. Do you really think being in lock down for 3 weeks will stop covid-19? " No, we are going to need more like 3 months to get this under control. -Matt | |||
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"Compared to Flu related deaths the world as gone crazy with its enforced shutdowns, people could think they have Covid-19 & die of the Flu or worse because of closed doctors surgeries & wrong 111 diagnosis. And now why the panic now with this virus when viruses like Avian / Swine flu seemed to go unnoticed by the governments... Ummm Avian and Swine flu *were* taken seriously and lessons were learnt there. That is why countries that have dealt with those in the past are doing much better than those that haven’t in handling this current pandemic. You seem to think that there is no call for alarm due to this outbreak? Why so, given you know it is causing massive overloading of our health system and many more people are going to die? -Matt I have to agree, the NHS are overwhelmed with the number of cases, coming through the doors on a daily basis. This is why we are in lock down, to slow it down. Do you really think being in lock down for 3 weeks will stop covid-19? No but the figure of 3 week's was an optimistic one." America want to open back up by easter. Nutters... I've not heard nothing from China in a few seconds days, since they started letting people out. It's one to watch. | |||
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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths Please can people stop comparing the two based on an article they read on a newspaper website. It's like trying to compair the amount of people dying of heart attack compaired to cancer. It's different. Also flu has been round for years so of course the numbers will be higher because it's established. C19 is new. Let's come back to this in ten years see how the figures compare. In the mean time let's not focus on the deaths,it's about treatment of people who require hospital treatment and prevention of them dying. I really don't know why you are bringing this up again it serves zero purpose,other than if you are suggesting we should just let people die is that what you are saying??" With worse viruses why single out one that yes is deadly to some yes but compared to other viruses it's not a major killer, with the published reports of the flu worldwide why hasn't something like this been done beforehand. | |||
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"It is just influenza, it have the same symptoms, saying it is influenza doesnt make the headlines as much as the covid - 19 does, the stats you get from the media is blown out of proportion to cause paranoia and hysteria, it is in fact less then 0.000000000001% of the world population." I've heard so many different things about what covid is, and to be honest, I have no interest in what it is, where it came from, just the facts. The rate of infection is way to fast for hospitals around the world too cope with. So let's support our NHS by being sensible, and try to slow the rate down... | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Do you realise that 30000 is less than 5000000?" 5,000 000 is a crazy mortality figure to dream up for the UK so we wasn't taking it serious. | |||
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"Why do so many people refuse to believe what is happening and try their best to belittle the virus? Do you really think that you know better than all of the government’s, all of the world leaders, all of the world scientists and the entire medical professionals throughout the world? Sometimes you just need to accept what you are told and try to heed the advice that you are given." Boom boom . | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Right. So less than what we are looking at with Covid-19. So why claim that Covid-19 is less deadly and that the concern at the moment is unwarranted? -Matt" No one is making unwarranted claims on the importance of what's happening just asking why one killer virus is taken more importantly than a bigger killer virus, yes measures have to be made by the public government & specially the NHS /keyworkers are doing a great job trying to keep this at bay. We hope the world also realise now that other viruses should be treated just as important as this one.. | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Right. So less than what we are looking at with Covid-19. So why claim that Covid-19 is less deadly and that the concern at the moment is unwarranted? -Matt No one is making unwarranted claims on the importance of what's happening just asking why one killer virus is taken more importantly than a bigger killer virus, yes measures have to be made by the public government & specially the NHS /keyworkers are doing a great job trying to keep this at bay. We hope the world also realise now that other viruses should be treated just as important as this one.. " Because 15 to 20% of the country’s population would not need to be hospitalised for catching the flu. | |||
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"Why do so many people refuse to believe what is happening and try their best to belittle the virus? Do you really think that you know better than all of the government’s, all of the world leaders, all of the world scientists and the entire medical professionals throughout the world? Sometimes you just need to accept what you are told and try to heed the advice that you are given. Boom boom . "Has anyone belittled Covid-19 no...questioned were just asked why other worse viruses are not taken as serious in the past, please read what as been wrote beforehand before jumping to conclusions | |||
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"So many doctors and scientists on fab it’s funny how we don’t have a vaccine by now.... "  | |||
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"Why do so many people refuse to believe what is happening and try their best to belittle the virus? Do you really think that you know better than all of the government’s, all of the world leaders, all of the world scientists and the entire medical professionals throughout the world? Sometimes you just need to accept what you are told and try to heed the advice that you are given. Boom boom .
Has anyone belittled Covid-19 no...questioned were just asked why other worse viruses are not taken as serious in the past, please read what as been wrote
beforehand before jumping to conclusions "We have read what has been written on this thread and many others and some people have tried to belittle the virus. Maybe you shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that our post was aimed directly at you. | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Right. So less than what we are looking at with Covid-19. So why claim that Covid-19 is less deadly and that the concern at the moment is unwarranted? -Matt No one is making unwarranted claims on the importance of what's happening just asking why one killer virus is taken more importantly than a bigger killer virus, yes measures have to be made by the public government & specially the NHS /keyworkers are doing a great job trying to keep this at bay. We hope the world also realise now that other viruses should be treated just as important as this one.. Because 15 to 20% of the country’s population would not need to be hospitalised for catching the flu. " They would be if none of us had ever had flu before, it's not rocket science its causing deaths because no one has any immunity unlike flu to which most people have some, it is beginning to appear that most who are fit and healthy arent going to be badly affected, however that could change so governments are rightly being very cautious, until a vaccine is available the vulnerable are at risk, as they would be from normal flu, | |||
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"Why do so many people refuse to believe what is happening and try their best to belittle the virus? Do you really think that you know better than all of the government’s, all of the world leaders, all of the world scientists and the entire medical professionals throughout the world? Sometimes you just need to accept what you are told and try to heed the advice that you are given." Because like I said on another thread. People are like spoilt petulant brat's who don't like being told what to do and fuck anyone who tries to prevent them from doing exactly what they want and when they want. Selfish, ignorance. We all have them living in our street or work with them hell in your ow. House in fact anyone of us could be one. We all need to be responsible. Peace and love to all xx | |||
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"It is just influenza, it have the same symptoms, saying it is influenza doesnt make the headlines as much as the covid - 19 does, the stats you get from the media is blown out of proportion to cause paranoia and hysteria, it is in fact less then 0.000000000001% of the world population." actually its 0.00039840637450199205 but that's taking 30,000 that have now died. | |||
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"The reason is that it isn't deadlier. COVID-19 kills the 1% who get it and the 5-10% survive exclusively thanks to ICU ventilators. It also has the potential to infect the 80% of the population. This means that the full potential of COVID-19 is to kill between 500000 and 5000000 people only in UK. Public health England won't commit to percentage deaths caused by the flu because of obvious reasons. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely¾from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 11,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. Do you realise that 30000 is less than 5000000? 5,000 000 is a crazy mortality figure to dream up for the UK so we wasn't taking it serious. " It's simple math. If the virus infect the 80% of the population 5 million people will need ICU ventilators for at least 14 days each. We only have 5000 ventilators. Which means that when the new cases count in UK (here they count only people in hospitals which are about the 30% of the real cases) will be around +1000 per day, NHS won't be able to assist them. 5M is the upper bound, 500000 is the lower bound. But I guess it's easier to believe to random people on the Internet that says reassuring BS instead of trusting WHO, scientists or plain simple math. | |||
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"Why do so many people refuse to believe what is happening and try their best to belittle the virus? Do you really think that you know better than all of the government’s, all of the world leaders, all of the world scientists and the entire medical professionals throughout the world? Sometimes you just need to accept what you are told and try to heed the advice that you are given." My thoughts exactly these people seem to think they know more than the worlds experts. Your being asked to stay home and watch the tele ffs not get up and go off to war. | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions." no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions. no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system" This is like saying that if you have a pre-existing cardiac condition and a car hits you and you suddenly die because of a cardiac failure, it wasn't car that killed you. | |||
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"Will the governments take flu serious now we've been educated in handling Covid 19, each year the Flu kills 500,000 people worldwide which includes the 12,000-16,000 that die each year in the UK. Flu is 5 times more deadlier a killer than Covid 19 yet doesn't get treated as importantly for some reason... https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1233679/coronavirus-update-symptoms-flu-2020-china-flu-deaths Please can people stop comparing the two based on an article they read on a newspaper website. It's like trying to compair the amount of people dying of heart attack compaired to cancer. It's different. Also flu has been round for years so of course the numbers will be higher because it's established. C19 is new. Let's come back to this in ten years see how the figures compare. In the mean time let's not focus on the deaths,it's about treatment of people who require hospital treatment and prevention of them dying. I really don't know why you are bringing this up again it serves zero purpose,other than if you are suggesting we should just let people die is that what you are saying?? With worse viruses why single out one that yes is deadly to some yes but compared to other viruses it's not a major killer, with the published reports of the flu worldwide why hasn't something like this been done beforehand. " It's a new virus and not enough is known about to allow governments and or individuals to be able to make a comparison and act in a possible different way.. We do not yet know if this is a major killer, clearly for those that have succumbed to it and their families it is just that.. For any government to look at what's happening in Italy and say we'll it's too early to say its a major killer or it hasn't yet killed as many as seasonal winter flu would be beyond incompetence.. Not sure why people are making such comparisons when we actually can't at this stage..? | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions. no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system" But that is like most virus's... the virus does not want to kill you as its aim is to multiply. But sadly a lot die from pneumonia after getting most Viruses. But they would not have got the pneumonia if they didn't get the viruses. So my workings say it was the initial virus that was the cause for them to die... | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions. no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system This is like saying that if you have a pre-existing cardiac condition and a car hits you and you suddenly die because of a cardiac failure, it wasn't car that killed you." no its not. I know someone that has died recently. They are on the list of covid 19 deaths. They had already been given weeks to live. They didnt die from the virus. Cause of death isnt covid 19 on the death certificate. But they did contract it will in hospital. And they had it present but had no symptoms That is what I mean. Not the people dying due to the complications of it | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions. no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system This is like saying that if you have a pre-existing cardiac condition and a car hits you and you suddenly die because of a cardiac failure, it wasn't car that killed you. no its not. I know someone that has died recently. They are on the list of covid 19 deaths. They had already been given weeks to live. They didnt die from the virus. Cause of death isnt covid 19 on the death certificate. But they did contract it will in hospital. And they had it present but had no symptoms That is what I mean. Not the people dying due to the complications of it" Probably a rare case.. but a fair point nonetheless | |||
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"There’s some folk on here that are gonna be shocked when this kills millions. no as 1% of the world would be millions. Although I know its something new which is going to be a concern. I'm just not panicking..1... why.. nothing I can do about the virus itself..I also know the deaths being attributed arent quite as cut and dry numbers.. As if you die from something else but have covid 19 in your system they still treat it as a death for the virus. Although suppose some deaths out side of hospitals arent attributed. The huge rise Thursday I think was contributed to the fact that some of the numbers of deaths were actually from as far back as the 16th of March... so figures can be made to look much worse .. ( although obviously people dying is not great.) Some of the people that have died didnt die from the virus... just with it in the system" The figures have always included people who died on different days as they don’t include people who are suspected to have died from it until post death tests confirm it. | |||
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"Some countries like Holland have adopted herd immunity as they believe most will have little effect from the virus and build natural anti bodies to fight it, the Dutch health system can then just concentrate on those with underlying problems monitoring them because of actual illness & not because they have the virus. -------------------------------------- In a national address to the Dutch nation on Monday, March 16th, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said his country would aim to develop immunity to the novel coronavirus among its population by allowing large numbers to contract the illness at a controlled pace. Initially, creating herd immunity for the novel coronavirus was one of two main objectives of Dutch government policy: Controlling spread of the virus while protecting vulnerable groups, including the elderly and people with underlying health conditions. By striking this balance rather than instituting a national lockdown, the thought was the nation could avoid a situation in which post lockdown - when society returns to normal - it would be exposed to the danger of a new outbreak as too few people would have become infected and therefore immune. " Which is basically what our gov are doing but some idiots in the media presented this as them not caring about people so the term has been dropped but is still the plan keep vulnerable locked away while it spreads then when numbers start to rise have a lock down to allow services to cope and then remove lockdown . | |||
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