Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening. |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening."
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them"
It's not a good time to be poorly |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them"
Scary shit that. |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them
Scary shit that."
Scary fucking times |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them"
You do realise patients have to sign dnars? If too ill only then can doctors make that suggestion. |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them
You do realise patients have to sign dnars? If too ill only then can doctors make that suggestion. "
Times are changing |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them
You do realise patients have to sign dnars? If too ill only then can doctors make that suggestion.
Times are changing"
Do you even know what dnar stands for? |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
Don't get texts like that, a lot of spam
However yes London will be in lockdown this weekend and all those over 65 will most probably have DNRs on them
You do realise patients have to sign dnars? If too ill only then can doctors make that suggestion. "
They are being encouraged.
In the US they are being considered having a blanket DNR on all hospitals |
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What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic.. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic.. "
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain"
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
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I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link."
That's standard triage, save whom is save able etc and its how the system works but it's a vast difference than saying all presenting coronavirus of age plus whatever will not be treated.. |
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over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link."
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact? |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact? "
He didn't say there was a blanket DNR.
That is going to happen in the US.
However over here doctors are encouraging DNRs and will make some tough decisions who lives or who dies. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link."
Who to treat and who to leave is NOT the same as putting a dnar in place! |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
He didn't say there was a blanket DNR.
That is going to happen in the US.
However over here doctors are encouraging DNRs and will make some tough decisions who lives or who dies."
He said it has happened in italy and Spain. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Who to treat and who to leave is NOT the same as putting a dnar in place! "
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
That's standard triage, save whom is save able etc and its how the system works but it's a vast difference than saying all presenting coronavirus of age plus whatever will not be treated.. "
There is a few links..ny times saying they were not treating people over a certain age etc
And I appreciate there is a difference between not coming out to see people but if the system Is totally over run wouldnt this happen?
And if anyone bothered to read my post I acknowledged there is a lot of misinformation out there and I'd sincerely hope it isnt true. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
He didn't say there was a blanket DNR.
That is going to happen in the US.
However over here doctors are encouraging DNRs and will make some tough decisions who lives or who dies."
Apart from any press medium, source it please.
For others, I've given the most reliable source regarding dnar -
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
That's standard triage, save whom is save able etc and its how the system works but it's a vast difference than saying all presenting coronavirus of age plus whatever will not be treated..
There is a few links..ny times saying they were not treating people over a certain age etc
And I appreciate there is a difference between not coming out to see people but if the system Is totally over run wouldnt this happen?
And if anyone bothered to read my post I acknowledged there is a lot of misinformation out there and I'd sincerely hope it isnt true."
So you say it is happening in Italy and Spain, you stated it as fact. It's not true! Please stop this nonsense. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact? "
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact' |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'"
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'. |
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Dude. You are wasting your time I have had this conversation almost word for word.
This is a forum. Not the encyclopedia Britannica. Everything on here is an opinion. It doesn't need to be stated as fact.
The irony is that saying your opinion is stated as fact is in itself an opinion stated as fact. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'."
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'.
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
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That's still not true, they are prioritising patients likely to survive, there isn't a ban on treating people of a certain age. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'.
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/this-is-like-a-war-view-from-italys-coronavirus-frontline
"Teresa tested positive for the virus postmortem. Franzese spoke of his family’s frustration at being “abandoned” by the authorities after his sister was left to die at home."
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"If the system is overrun..and it's very likely the drs and nurses will have to make some really,really hard decisions.
That's not scaremongering."
But there is no ban on treating people over a certain age. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'.
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/this-is-like-a-war-view-from-italys-coronavirus-frontline
"Teresa tested positive for the virus postmortem. Franzese spoke of his family’s frustration at being “abandoned” by the authorities after his sister was left to die at home."
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"If the system is overrun..and it's very likely the drs and nurses will have to make some really,really hard decisions.
That's not scaremongering.
But there is no ban on treating people over a certain age."
Fucking hell..where did I say there was a ban?
They are prioritising younger people with the consequence that older people are being left to die.
See post above. |
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"If the system is overrun..and it's very likely the drs and nurses will have to make some really,really hard decisions.
That's not scaremongering."
Triage - (in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.
"In these extreme situations, any medical care given to people who will die anyway can be considered to be care withdrawn from others who might have survived (or perhaps suffered less severe disability from their injuries) had they been treated instead." - Wikipedia |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic.. "
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over a year ago
Dudley |
"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain"
This is what you said. You said the blanket dnr on over 65's is happening in Italy and Spain. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
This is what you said. You said the blanket dnr on over 65's is happening in Italy and Spain. "
I said old people are being left to die in Italy and Spain.
Which has been proved by the link posted above. |
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'.
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
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No that is not triage, the issue you are saying might happen or might not is not the same as triage..
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/spain-doctors-lack-protection-coronavirus-covid-19
“Intensive care units always triage – they’re always a limited resource so you look at who they’re going to benefit the most,” she said. “But it’s true that the health system is totally overloaded and that those decisions are being taken on a stricter basis.”
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link.
Not the same thing as a blanket dnr on over 65's. Can you stop spreading bullshit and dressing it up as fact?
Read my post and tell me where I said it was a "fact'
You said 'Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain'.
Not 'it might be happening'.
Ok I'll rephrase
In Spain and Italy right now if you are above a certain age you dont get treated as they are overrun.As pointed out above this Its called triage..that's what I meant.
No that is not triage, the issue you are saying might happen or might not is not the same as triage..
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"What a vote winner for any government..
There is so much shite doing the rounds at the moment and whilst a full lockdown of London and indeed a much wider one may well be needed if the numbers keep rising in a couple of weeks the idea that a blanket dnr will be mandated on over 65s is patent scare mongering..
Stop getting sucked in and apply logic..
Hope you are right but it's happened in italy and spain
Your saying there's a policy to dnr all citizens over a certain age?
And no one has put it out to the public?
I may be stand to be corrected but in Italy and Spain..from what I gather..in the most affected areas because they have been overrun..they have had to decide who to treat and who to leave.
Hang on let me find a link."
Doctors will have to decide who to help and who to leave if we don’t have enough respirators. I’ve not read anything any of this though. |
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"I give up. Just keep making crap up and pretend that you know what you're talking about.  "
Is that a fact or an opinion?
Because it's stated as a fact.
Or do you just know things when everyone else just guesses? |
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No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily. |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily."
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed? |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?"
If you're concerned, attempt to verify the claim |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily."
If people are getting their facts from a swingers forum rather than the plethora of media available in this day and age they have more things to be scared about.
This is where we express opinions. We are not publishing dissertations. As such telling people what opinions they may or may not have is effectively censorship.
So many bossy people around telling us what to think! |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily."
Thankyou. |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
If you're concerned, attempt to verify the claim"
Lol look at you.
Remember this thread
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/994204
You just rely on some mystic meg |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?"
You are quite welcome to have an opinion..... as long as it's the same as theirs.
You are free to discuss things as long as you agree with them...
Quotes from writers reporting from the coalface mean nothing. They are pronounced bullshit without one shred of evidence to the contrary. Just because they say it's bullshit.
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening."
More fake news |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
You are quite welcome to have an opinion..... as long as it's the same as theirs.
You are free to discuss things as long as you agree with them...
Quotes from writers reporting from the coalface mean nothing. They are pronounced bullshit without one shred of evidence to the contrary. Just because they say it's bullshit.
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If people disagree fair enough but I dont get how we are not allowed to discuss anything. |
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"Seen that text going round?
I know a lot of these are nonsense but basically says london to go into full lockdown followed by the rest of the country
Over 65s to be denied critical care.
If its remotely true it's very,very frightening.
More fake news "
Nice of Donald to pop in |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
You are quite welcome to have an opinion..... as long as it's the same as theirs.
You are free to discuss things as long as you agree with them...
Quotes from writers reporting from the coalface mean nothing. They are pronounced bullshit without one shred of evidence to the contrary. Just because they say it's bullshit.
If people disagree fair enough but I dont get how we are not allowed to discuss anything."
You are allowed to discuss things.
This is my personal opinion only, we are living in very unusual times, people will be very frightened for themselves and those they love as the full effects of this begin to dawn on them. Discussing things that might not be true won't help anybody and might actual make some people feel worse. That's probably why people are asking you not to say things like this unless you are sure of your facts. You're not the only person doing it though
My mother actually has a dnar in place and that is a document not to be taken lightly. At this current time even less so.
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Seriously people need to stop spreading unverified information. These are scary times and Fab should be a place to chill and chat about fun stuff.
Clinicians will undoubtedly have to make some very difficult decisions in the coming weeks when faced with 100s of very ill people. I don't think we're in a position to presume what those decisions might be |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
If you're concerned, attempt to verify the claim
Lol look at you.
Remember this thread
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/994204
You just rely on some mystic meg"
You have no idea what I rely upon. I'm doing my reading to my satisfaction. |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
You are quite welcome to have an opinion..... as long as it's the same as theirs.
You are free to discuss things as long as you agree with them...
Quotes from writers reporting from the coalface mean nothing. They are pronounced bullshit without one shred of evidence to the contrary. Just because they say it's bullshit.
If people disagree fair enough but I dont get how we are not allowed to discuss anything.
You are allowed to discuss things.
This is my personal opinion only, we are living in very unusual times, people will be very frightened for themselves and those they love as the full effects of this begin to dawn on them. Discussing things that might not be true won't help anybody and might actual make some people feel worse. That's probably why people are asking you not to say things like this unless you are sure of your facts. You're not the only person doing it though
My mother actually has a dnar in place and that is a document not to be taken lightly. At this current time even less so.
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Fair enough I've got elderly parents myself and I'm utterly terrified but I really dont see the in not even discussing what could be a horrible situation. |
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"Seriously people need to stop spreading unverified information. These are scary times and Fab should be a place to chill and chat about fun stuff.
Clinicians will undoubtedly have to make some very difficult decisions in the coming weeks when faced with 100s of very ill people. I don't think we're in a position to presume what those decisions might be"
It's a discussion about the virus |
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"No country has no dnr for an age group yes they are making difficult decisions based on outcomes but that's very different. Please be careful what is being said these statements scare people unnecessarily.
It wasnt a government health warning
For about the millionth time in my very 1st post I said and hoped it wasnt true.
However there are genuine concerns out there and I wasnt aware there were not to even be discussed?
If you're concerned, attempt to verify the claim
Lol look at you.
Remember this thread
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/994204
You just rely on some mystic meg"
I am slightly annoyed at being called a "mystic meg", but there are more serious things happening for me to worry about. From other postings you've made i believe that your gripe purports to be about my use of the word "prediction" instead of "projection". Sorry that I've offended the word police when i was attempting to press the urgency that was needed to prevent unnecessary deaths!
However i would point out that my use of the word "prediction" was perfectly correct in this context. My training is in science and mathematics, we make predictions based upon physical and mathematical laws, there is nothing "mystic" about it and no crystal balls are required.
I would remind everybody that i was one of the early voices on here attempting to explain exponential growth patterns and the resulting effects. Quibble with the precise numbers if you wish to be petty, but it is now undeniable to all that (a) the numbers are rising, at a rate increasing every day, (b) the people saying "there's no need for it to change my behaviour" are wrong and dangerously so, (c) it's not the flu, it's not the same viral infection that was doing the rounds last December, (d) herd immunity is just another way of saying let millions die because it's inconvenient to quarantine (what would have been only a few thousand if it had been done weeks ago) people for a month.
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This sounds like when that guy said Prince Philip had died haha
God help us if we believe half the shit posted on here! 