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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You CANNOT have people hanging on a phone for days at no, effing 200,000 to get through to the DWP!
Shout out to all the traders, self employed & the sexy tradesmen of Fab!
UNIVERSAL INCOME NOW, you total fuckers
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well"
My sons getting 80% so its working for some guess it takes a bit of time to implement for all. |
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"I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too. "
If Boris says something that he's not going to do, you can guarantee he will do it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.
I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.
Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite) |
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"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated
I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider. "
I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise? |
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"I think in reality people will go into dept and probably have to claim it back or it will get scrapped they won't be able to sort an entire country's wages out in such a short period of time. Boris has said that no one will suffer long term hardship so for once everyone may have to try and believe a politician I know it's hard too.
If Boris says something that he's not going to do, you can guarantee he will do it"
Aye man of his word boris. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Universal basic income really only works once all the meanil and cheap labour jobs are being done by robot's since the owner had to pay tax for taking a real person's job. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Better known as Universal Basic Income, UBI.
Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany do..anyone add the other countries
(parlour game seeing as we are all cooped up  ) |
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"As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.
I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.
Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite)"
It’s not just the self employed who submit their returns through the SA302, there are also hundreds of thousands like me who set up
A limited company to be self employed through, we pay minimal salary and take dividends instead so if they base my income on salary it’s £719pm, well below the minimum income/poverty line and nowhere near the 80% upto £2.5k mark, no work, no income , no dividends |
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Has UBI been demonstrated to actually work anywhere? I know Finland recently ended their experiment with this, I'm not sure the current exceptional circumstances necessarily justify the longterm implementation of this strategy |
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"Be patient.
Getting angry and aggressive helps no one .
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This..
Would add that the people carrying out the service deserve respect and a bit of understanding that at this time they might not want to be in a call centre and might rather be safe with their own would not hurt.. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Tax returns were only done upto tax year 2018 to 2019.
Many of those are small amounts, people with second incomes say. Others were from pensioners with income from savings and investments.
Some Companies will have closed since then, others started up with no returns as yet.
What you earnt in 2018 to 2019 may be totally different from 2019 to present. Some will be up, many will be down.
The Chancellor will make a statement in the daily 5pmish briefing tomorrow. (Thursday) |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated
I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.
I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"
Yes, and this is it, but surely people won't expect it to instant? It has to be processed.
If anyone is struggling it seems the banks are helping people, just mention the virus and they are helping people manage until they are in a better position / get paid out by the government |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"As a self employed person I too am hoping they will finally sort us out an income replacement like they have for the employed.
I know it must be very complicated to get the computer to multiply our profit on our tax returns by 0.8 so this may take them a little while.
Patience is key (to steal the line from a well known forumite)
It’s not just the self employed who submit their returns through the SA302, there are also hundreds of thousands like me who set up
A limited company to be self employed through, we pay minimal salary and take dividends instead so if they base my income on salary it’s £719pm, well below the minimum income/poverty line and nowhere near the 80% upto £2.5k mark, no work, no income , no dividends"
To be fair that is done normally so you pay less tax so I suppose that's the downside of declaring less |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well"
for most people it would be fairly simple to do....
because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..
mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted
the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)
also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has UBI been demonstrated to actually work anywhere? I know Finland recently ended their experiment with this, I'm not sure the current exceptional circumstances necessarily justify the longterm implementation of this strategy "
Nope! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated
I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.
I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"
Ha ha ha get real |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Be patient I would say, these are unprecedented times , they will be inundated
I echo that. This is a huge undertaking. There are many, many circumstances to consider.
I would have thought they would have had contingency plans in place should such a situation arise?"
Are you for real?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Of course it has . See list of countries above.
Corker article " Kevin McKenna: Don’t give me this mince that we’re in it together"
What TF do the ALL banks think they are doing putting up interest rates by 300%. Had to blink when I read that. Won't happen I reckon, just yet another ghastly "Weatherspoon's" moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are self employed people claiming 80% of what they actually earn or 80% of what they tell the tax man they earn?"
As long as it's targeted at those that really need it, which is probably a large proportion.
I know a couple of self employed I.T. Guys on 100k + who really don't need a bail out  |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well
for most people it would be fairly simple to do....
because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..
mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted
the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)
also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call"
. I can vouch for what Fabio is saying about our colleagues in the DWP lost loads of staff.Where have staff with underlying health issues , caring responsibilities for family over 70 years old or have fallen ill themselves.It’s 7 days self isolation then ring the office manager who will advise what we will do next as it changes day by day as these really are unprecedented times in the DWP.Some could be off for up 12 weeks caring for elderly relatives or their underlying health conditions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well
for most people it would be fairly simple to do....
because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..
mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted
the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)
also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call. I can vouch for what Fabio is saying about our colleagues in the DWP lost loads of staff.Where have staff with underlying health issues , caring responsibilities for family over 70 years old or have fallen ill themselves.It’s 7 days self isolation then ring the office manager who will advise what we will do next as it changes day by day as these really are unprecedented times in the DWP.Some could be off for up 12 weeks caring for elderly relatives or their underlying health conditions."
Exactly my point
Millions of people now have no income
Many dont have a clue if they will still have a job
The benefit system simply wont cope.
And thats before you consider the health and wellbeing of existing dwp staff.
Basic household income solves alot of problems.
Quite how it could be implemented I dont know.
But I really think that we are looking at civil unrest soon if something isnt done |
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By *akboyMan
over a year ago
birmingham |
UBI is the way to go in general but can you imagine the Tory's putting in Universal Basic Income, even in emergency measures?? If they did,it would be a complete slap in the face which is why they will probably not implement it... it goes against their general government direction |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"Are self employed people claiming 80% of what they actually earn or 80% of what they tell the tax man they earn?"
Self-employed aren't able to claim 80% of anything at the moment. And if they were it's likely to be 80% of the average pre tax profit (taken as an average over the last 3 years).
Obviously that brings extra situations with it, people who are newly self-employed so haven't submitted enough to make an average, people who have had to have time off through illness maternity/paternity etc |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"It was always blindingly obvious that the 80% of wages thing simply wasnt going to work
A basic household income is the way to go
Fuck knows how that would be implemented, but there is a huge amount of people out there with no income
And that wont end well
for most people it would be fairly simple to do....
because all benefits are paid into bank accounts you have all those details..
mandate all companies to hand over payroll details.... thats everyone on PAYE sorted
the issue again is going to be those who are self employed..... maybe the people they bank with should be in a position to give those banking details (just thinking out loud)
also... one thing about my colleagues at the DWP.... please please be patient! they have lost a self load of staff to self isolation as well... so limited staff, loads of people trying to call"
I would expect for the majority of self-employed people, the DWP would have their bank details, as they probably pay tax, national insurance etc out of them. |
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UBI implemented now would be a great time to further evaluate it and get the public to understand it more. It could be a faster, simpler undertaking, with the cost of it being kept at a similar level. |
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