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Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
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just look at Italy and Spain now,
Britain is going to be in a similar position in a few weeks. people need to start taking this virus seriously. |
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Complacency and ignorance will spread this disease to the most vulnerable. Why bother arguing, all you are being asked to do is keep washing your hands and avoid close contact with other people, most single men on here are used to complying with the latter.  |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
just look at Italy and Spain now,
Britain is going to be in a similar position in a few weeks. people need to start taking this virus seriously. "
I am. But I’m not panicking. I’m not letting it rule my life for 18months.
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
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So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system? |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Complacency and ignorance will spread this disease to the most vulnerable. Why bother arguing, all you are being asked to do is keep washing your hands and avoid close contact with other people, most single men on here are used to complying with the latter. "
And I’m doing just that. But people like me are STILL being made out to be disease spreaders.
People need to get a grip or go live on a remote island |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"all you are being asked to do is keep washing your hands and avoid close contact with other people, most single men on here are used to complying with the latter. "
If more of them did the former then the latter might not apply. |
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2% die with correct medical treatment. Immunity is non existent so 80%+ will get it if we don't act.
15-20% will require hospitalisation, many with ventilation to prevent them suffocating or drowning in their own bodily byproducts. There are not enough ventilators to handle the feared demand. Without ventilation, that death toll skyrockets.
Unfortunately this is what we have to do. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system? "
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? "
... The situations are not even remotely comparable  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
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No, you failed to read, if we do nothing then 510,000 people will die in the UK. The entire point of taking these measures is to reduce deaths and make sure our healthcare system will survive. What is going on isn't hyped up scare mongering unless you're too stupid to understand the flip side of the coin that these are effective preventative measures that will prevent a lot of death and keep our healthcare system working for everyone.
Also, not sure where you mention isolation and cancer, isolation doesn't prevent cancer, so, not sure what your point was there with that. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
No, you failed to read, if we do nothing then 510,000 people will die in the UK. The entire point of taking these measures is to reduce deaths and make sure our healthcare system will survive. What is going on isn't hyped up scare mongering unless you're too stupid to understand the flip side of the coin that these are effective preventative measures that will prevent a lot of death and keep our healthcare system working for everyone.
Also, not sure where you mention isolation and cancer, isolation doesn't prevent cancer, so, not sure what your point was there with that. "
So am I bad for taking the sensible precautions and carrying on or not? You don’t seem too sure yourself.
My point is even worst case scenario, 510000 is STILL less than cancer kills. We don’t throw £350 billion at that. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable "
We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
Perhaps because you’re afraid to admit that I am right??? |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? "
Nobody has been asked to stop working, we can’t stop cancer by isolating. I’m a nurse in a major hospital, my annual leave has been cancelled for Easter and the foreseeable future and at a meeting yesterday they predict that a third of nhs staff will be off at any one time with varying symptoms and will need isolation or treatment themselves. I’m in the firing line, I’ve seen how fast it spreads and how quickly it attacks with my own eyes. Belittle this virus at your own peril. Keep safe everybody and keep washing your hands.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So am I bad for taking the sensible precautions and carrying on or not? You don’t seem too sure yourself.
My point is even worst case scenario, 510000 is STILL less than cancer kills. We don’t throw £350 billion at that. "
You seem to be trying to pick an argument that you didn't start?
Anyway, no, 510,000 people do not die of cancer every year in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
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Who said we should all stop working? |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable "
Oh, and if you think people dying from excruciating pain every single day from cancer isn’t remotely comparable to people dying from coronavirus - go ask ALL the cancer workers, the doctors, the nurses. Let them describe the pain and suffering they see day in day out. Every day!! For the last 30 years.
Then tell me people dying excruciatingly painful deaths isn’t comparable to people dying from a viral infection |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable
We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
Perhaps because you’re afraid to admit that I am right???"
Yes, we should ignore public health advice and let the disease spread and people die unnecessarily because I realise that cancer isn't an infectious disease  |
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By *ootleCouple
over a year ago
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The experts predict that without action up to 260,000 people could die, we don’t know what the death rate actually is because the statistics are based on those who have been diagnosed and those that have died so far.
I agree that wherever you look there is a lot of scaremongering, but don’t underestimate the real risks – being complacent, ignoring taking the precautions we are being advised to take will mean a higher death rate!
You have choices, comply don’t or don’t comply, it’s you who has to live with the consequences – at some point over the coming months people around us will judge us for our actions – this could be your family, your friends, work colleagues or employer – how will they look at you then, how did you handle it and can they rely on you, can they trust you – when the virus is gone the consequences will still be far reaching and still affecting our lives.
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Nobody has been asked to stop working, we can’t stop cancer by isolating. I’m a nurse in a major hospital, my annual leave has been cancelled for Easter and the foreseeable future and at a meeting yesterday they predict that a third of nhs staff will be off at any one time with varying symptoms and will need isolation or treatment themselves. I’m in the firing line, I’ve seen how fast it spreads and how quickly it attacks with my own eyes. Belittle this virus at your own peril. Keep safe everybody and keep washing your hands. "
Ok, so, people have been asked by the government to stop working - all those in hospitality have been told to stop working. Several million people in fact.
The scaremongers are saying we should go into total lockdown. But there is no exit strategy for such a lock down
As a nurse you understand better than most how important it is for you to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can.
I AM doing everything I can to stay healthy and I’m avoiding contact with anyone who may be vulnerable to this.
My pint wasn’t about stopping cancer by isolating, my point was people die. Every single day. From worse illnesses. And yet the majority of people don’t bat an eyelid at it.
But suddenly there’s a new virus that for the majority will thankfully be a relatively easy thing to get over. Unfortunately for those who are vulnerable, most will need help from nurses like yourself and some will regrettably die from it. I wish we could stop ANY deaths but you’re a nurse - not a miracle worker. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable
We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
Perhaps because you’re afraid to admit that I am right???
Yes, we should ignore public health advice and let the disease spread and people die unnecessarily because I realise that cancer isn't an infectious disease "
Have you read ANYTHING I’ve said?? Or just trolling for the fun of it??
I AM taking all sensible precautions. As are many other people.
So get down off your high unicorn. Use your common sense. Stop trying to panic others. All you’re doing is feeding the frenzy. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"The experts predict that without action up to 260,000 people could die, we don’t know what the death rate actually is because the statistics are based on those who have been diagnosed and those that have died so far.
I agree that wherever you look there is a lot of scaremongering, but don’t underestimate the real risks – being complacent, ignoring taking the precautions we are being advised to take will mean a higher death rate!
You have choices, comply don’t or don’t comply, it’s you who has to live with the consequences – at some point over the coming months people around us will judge us for our actions – this could be your family, your friends, work colleagues or employer – how will they look at you then, how did you handle it and can they rely on you, can they trust you – when the virus is gone the consequences will still be far reaching and still affecting our lives.
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This is exactly why I’m taking ALL the precautions I can
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? "
Where on earth have you got those ridiculous cancer figures? Breast cancer is one of the most prolific cancers hitting 1 in 8 women. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
Where on earth have you got those ridiculous cancer figures? Breast cancer is one of the most prolific cancers hitting 1 in 8 women. "
And is a non communicable disease (ie non-contagious). |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? "
Cancer is not contagious |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The scaremongers are saying we should go into total lockdown. But there is no exit strategy for such a lock down
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Yes there is, my colleagues in China have had such a lock down for 2 months and are now coming out of it, yesterday the number of new cases in China was 0 as a result. They are now entering a phase similar to our lock down but with stricter measures to keep things moving. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some interesting statistics here
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
The active cases obviously include those who had tested positive and sent home to isolate but have not been retested but the closed case statistics are quite alarming |
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The point is to bring infection rates down. I'm not scaremongering.
As things stand, every infected person infects, on average, 2-3 others. In order to bring this disease under control, we need that figure to be less than one. One way to do that is to limit non necessary social contact, as we're doing. Yes people still need to go out etc. But rather than me infecting 2 people who each infect two people etc etc etc, we slow or break the chain. Give the NHS breathing room so we have enough ventilators to save lives, rather than having more people die than need to. |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
just look at Italy and Spain now,
Britain is going to be in a similar position in a few weeks. people need to start taking this virus seriously. "
Keep hearing this
Look at what exactly there ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It’s all just a 2% statistic until it’s your parent or family member. Perhaps people should think like that. Just everyone do as advised for goodness sake. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
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if you want perspective... try this....
they reckon about 60-70% of the entire population will end up getting this virus....
of that "60-70%".... they reckon so far about "15-17%" of those have been in bad enough shape they need to be hospitalised at some point...
work that out..... thats about 10% of the entire population!!!!!
is that enough "prospective" for you? |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
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"2% die with correct medical treatment. Immunity is non existent so 80%+ will get it if we don't act.
15-20% will require hospitalisation, many with ventilation to prevent them suffocating or drowning in their own bodily byproducts. There are not enough ventilators to handle the feared demand. Without ventilation, that death toll skyrockets.
Unfortunately this is what we have to do."
By your own figures, 80-85% will not require hospitalisation. Harsh as it sounds, 15-20% off the population wouldn’t be the end of the world, as some are predicting, and that’s if the hospitals decided to turn away every case. |
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
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The only conspiracy theorist I see on this thread right now is you. Personally, my information comes from academic sources. |
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"2% die with correct medical treatment. Immunity is non existent so 80%+ will get it if we don't act.
15-20% will require hospitalisation, many with ventilation to prevent them suffocating or drowning in their own bodily byproducts. There are not enough ventilators to handle the feared demand. Without ventilation, that death toll skyrockets.
Unfortunately this is what we have to do.
By your own figures, 80-85% will not require hospitalisation. Harsh as it sounds, 15-20% off the population wouldn’t be the end of the world, as some are predicting, and that’s if the hospitals decided to turn away every case."
Yes. Are you happy for 1 in 5 of your friends or family to die or risk death? I'm sure as hell not. |
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"It’s all just a 2% statistic until it’s your parent or family member. Perhaps people should think like that. Just everyone do as advised for goodness sake. "
It may well end up being my elderly mother and I will miss her terribly. But that the reason I AM taking precautions and staying away from her. My instinct is to make sure she is ok. But I know I can’t. She knows I can’t. |
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"The experts predict that without action up to 260,000 people could die, we don’t know what the death rate actually is because the statistics are based on those who have been diagnosed and those that have died so far.
I agree that wherever you look there is a lot of scaremongering, but don’t underestimate the real risks – being complacent, ignoring taking the precautions we are being advised to take will mean a higher death rate!
You have choices, comply don’t or don’t comply, it’s you who has to live with the consequences – at some point over the coming months people around us will judge us for our actions – this could be your family, your friends, work colleagues or employer – how will they look at you then, how did you handle it and can they rely on you, can they trust you – when the virus is gone the consequences will still be far reaching and still affecting our lives.
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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
The only conspiracy theorist I see on this thread right now is you. Personally, my information comes from academic sources."
It’s a conspiracy theory to follow OFFICIAL advice and carry on with my essential job?
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
The only conspiracy theorist I see on this thread right now is you. Personally, my information comes from academic sources.
It’s a conspiracy theory to follow OFFICIAL advice and carry on with my essential job?
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable
We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
Perhaps because you’re afraid to admit that I am right???
Yes, we should ignore public health advice and let the disease spread and people die unnecessarily because I realise that cancer isn't an infectious disease
Have you read ANYTHING I’ve said?? Or just trolling for the fun of it??
I AM taking all sensible precautions. As are many other people.
So get down off your high unicorn. Use your common sense. Stop trying to panic others. All you’re doing is feeding the frenzy. "
Whatever about feeding the frenzy it is people like you and your attitudes that are feeding the Virus. As the head of the WHO said the very worst thing we can do is do nothing. Action must be taken now even if in hindsight it may not be the best course of action it will be still better than inaction. The priority is to keep the pressure off the Health Services as long as possible and reduce the peak intensity (flattening the curve)to maximize their ability to cope. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COPE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO BUT WE MUST REDUCE THE PRESSURE. THOUSANDS WILL DIE IN THE UK INCLUDING FROM OTHER AILMENTS MENTIONED BECAUSE OF THIS PRESSURE ON THE SYSTEM. DECISIONS WILL BE MADE TO ALLOW ONE PERSON LIVE AND THE PERSON BESIDE THEM DIE. YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT AS TO HOW BAD THIS IS GOING TO BE. WHEN YOU REFLECT IN A FEW WEEKS TIME I HOPE YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU DID EVERYTHING YOU COULD. |
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"2% die with correct medical treatment. Immunity is non existent so 80%+ will get it if we don't act.
15-20% will require hospitalisation, many with ventilation to prevent them suffocating or drowning in their own bodily byproducts. There are not enough ventilators to handle the feared demand. Without ventilation, that death toll skyrockets.
Unfortunately this is what we have to do.
By your own figures, 80-85% will not require hospitalisation. Harsh as it sounds, 15-20% off the population wouldn’t be the end of the world, as some are predicting, and that’s if the hospitals decided to turn away every case.
Yes. Are you happy for 1 in 5 of your friends or family to die or risk death? I'm sure as hell not."
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"2% die with correct medical treatment. Immunity is non existent so 80%+ will get it if we don't act.
15-20% will require hospitalisation, many with ventilation to prevent them suffocating or drowning in their own bodily byproducts. There are not enough ventilators to handle the feared demand. Without ventilation, that death toll skyrockets.
Unfortunately this is what we have to do.
By your own figures, 80-85% will not require hospitalisation. Harsh as it sounds, 15-20% off the population wouldn’t be the end of the world, as some are predicting, and that’s if the hospitals decided to turn away every case.
Yes. Are you happy for 1 in 5 of your friends or family to die or risk death? I'm sure as hell not.
It’s a lottery... It could be you!"
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
if you want perspective... try this....
they reckon about 60-70% of the entire population will end up getting this virus....
of that "60-70%".... they reckon so far about "15-17%" of those have been in bad enough shape they need to be hospitalised at some point...
work that out..... thats about 10% of the entire population!!!!!
is that enough "prospective" for you? "
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Nobody has been asked to stop working, we can’t stop cancer by isolating. I’m a nurse in a major hospital, my annual leave has been cancelled for Easter and the foreseeable future and at a meeting yesterday they predict that a third of nhs staff will be off at any one time with varying symptoms and will need isolation or treatment themselves. I’m in the firing line, I’ve seen how fast it spreads and how quickly it attacks with my own eyes. Belittle this virus at your own peril. Keep safe everybody and keep washing your hands.
Ok, so, people have been asked by the government to stop working - all those in hospitality have been told to stop working. Several million people in fact.
The scaremongers are saying we should go into total lockdown. But there is no exit strategy for such a lock down
As a nurse you understand better than most how important it is for you to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can.
I AM doing everything I can to stay healthy and I’m avoiding contact with anyone who may be vulnerable to this.
My pint wasn’t about stopping cancer by isolating, my point was people die. Every single day. From worse illnesses. And yet the majority of people don’t bat an eyelid at it.
But suddenly there’s a new virus that for the majority will thankfully be a relatively easy thing to get over. Unfortunately for those who are vulnerable, most will need help from nurses like yourself and some will regrettably die from it. I wish we could stop ANY deaths but you’re a nurse - not a miracle worker. "
I'm not really sure you yourself understand what your point is. Yes there are other awful, painful diseases such as cancer with high rates of mortality but we can at least somewhat predict the effects they will have and try to manage them. We don't have enough data regarding this new virus to be able to predict the devastation it will cause. Yes cancer may kill hundreds of thousands, but not in the same timescale as covid has the capacity to do. There aren't suddenly thousands of people coming down with cancer all at once needing ventilators and round the clock medical care. That is why people are being asked to take such drastic measures; it's not about stopping the virus altogether - it's too late for that now. It's about flattening the curve. Delaying the spread by even a month can drastically decrease the number of people needing hospital care at any one point, meaning there is more equipment and more doctors/nurses to go around, thus less deaths. I don't understand why you think that's such a bad thing? |
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Hers the reality. Governments do not shut down entire countrys with greater restrictions on movement than was seen in any of the world wars or at any time in history for nothing. If nothing was done estimates are that 80% 0f people would get it and the death toll could be as high as 5% that's as high as 300million dead world wide. I was one of the people at the start that talked about flu being worse if even road deaths. Both the actions of all world governments willing to fuck their own economies and find trillions to support people should tell us all how serious this could be if we did nothing. My hope is that the measures work....like a giant insurance scheme....we pay now and hope it all seems over the top reaction because we keep it under some sort of control. |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
just look at Italy and Spain now,
Britain is going to be in a similar position in a few weeks. people need to start taking this virus seriously.
Keep hearing this
Look at what exactly there ?"
The amount of people dead yesterday in Italy more than 300 people died from the virus, Spain more than 100.
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We're all likely to get this thing. Off the top of my head I know the US number: if the percentage of people who will require ventilation all hit US hospitals at the same time, there will be 30x more need than ventilators. If you need it and don't get it, your chance of death is 100%. So that many more people will die. 2% death is assuming full correct medical treatment.
They might need treatment later, but if we make infection more gradual, less people will die.
So, if you are not needed outside, staying away from others stops you carrying the disease to others and could help the death toll plummet. |
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"We're all likely to get this thing. Off the top of my head I know the US number: if the percentage of people who will require ventilation all hit US hospitals at the same time, there will be 30x more need than ventilators. If you need it and don't get it, your chance of death is 100%. So that many more people will die. 2% death is assuming full correct medical treatment.
They might need treatment later, but if we make infection more gradual, less people will die.
So, if you are not needed outside, staying away from others stops you carrying the disease to others and could help the death toll plummet."
It’s really not rocket science is it! I despair sometimes. |
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My numbers come predominantly from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and the podcast This Week in Virology, and are estimates given what were known when they last published. But it's dire, and we can make it less so. |
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"I'm low to moderate risk. I'm not needed outside, so I'm keeping my dumb arse at home so I don't spread disease. I'm not protecting me, I'm trying to protect others."
This is us too we keeping tucked away so as not to become part of the problem. |
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"We're all likely to get this thing. Off the top of my head I know the US number: if the percentage of people who will require ventilation all hit US hospitals at the same time, there will be 30x more need than ventilators. If you need it and don't get it, your chance of death is 100%. So that many more people will die. 2% death is assuming full correct medical treatment.
They might need treatment later, but if we make infection more gradual, less people will die.
So, if you are not needed outside, staying away from others stops you carrying the disease to others and could help the death toll plummet.
It’s really not rocket science is it! I despair sometimes. "
Conspiracy theories are emotionally satisfying and the situation sucks.
Unfortunately ignoring public health advice has consequences. |
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"We're all likely to get this thing. Off the top of my head I know the US number: if the percentage of people who will require ventilation all hit US hospitals at the same time, there will be 30x more need than ventilators. If you need it and don't get it, your chance of death is 100%. So that many more people will die. 2% death is assuming full correct medical treatment.
They might need treatment later, but if we make infection more gradual, less people will die.
So, if you are not needed outside, staying away from others stops you carrying the disease to others and could help the death toll plummet."
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Forget conspiracies. The earth is over populated. Nature has no compassion. If nature finds earth is overpopulated by 15% then nature will release a virus to cull 15%. From a statistical point, this is brilliant as a virus will have greater effect in highly populated areas than sparsely populated areas.
We might be able to fight this off, but we still have an overpopulation and there will be another virus gestating if this fails.
Whatever measures are taken are only postponing the inevitable, how long this postponement will last is anyone’s guess, but it’s unlikely to be less than a decade before another more deadly virus arises if the population isn’t reduced.
Complain about politicians and businesses being insensitive all you like, but there’s nothing more powerful or with less compassion than nature. |
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"Forget conspiracies. The earth is over populated. Nature has no compassion. If nature finds earth is overpopulated by 15% then nature will release a virus to cull 15%. From a statistical point, this is brilliant as a virus will have greater effect in highly populated areas than sparsely populated areas.
We might be able to fight this off, but we still have an overpopulation and there will be another virus gestating if this fails.
Whatever measures are taken are only postponing the inevitable, how long this postponement will last is anyone’s guess, but it’s unlikely to be less than a decade before another more deadly virus arises if the population isn’t reduced.
Complain about politicians and businesses being insensitive all you like, but there’s nothing more powerful or with less compassion than nature."
Whether that's true or not, from a human centred perspective, isolate yourself, wash your damn hands, and stay away from others if you're ill or have been exposed. Let's not fuck around with hundreds of thousands of lives. |
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
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Just updated myself with Cancer Research, it does state 1 in 2 people but you cannot just take that figure on its own. People living longer than they should due to drugs and health are getting cancer in their old age. Age has become the number one "cause" of cancer. Which is not surprising if you know how a cell lives and dies.
As for other cases, up to 40% is preventable.
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People are stating 2% death rate, this is far from an accurate figure, mainly due to the fact the total number infected is unknown because those with mild or virtually no symptoms havent been tested. The elderly and those with underlying health issues for heart and lungs are classed as the most vulnerable (yes I am one of that group) having spoken to My GP about symptoms I had whilst abroad he stated most likely I have had it and now luckily recovered with no known adverse effects which is apparently the most common case so I was told..there is levels of immunity as some people have been exposed to other coronovirus strains and will have some immunity. The 510,000 deaths is a worse case estimate, how ever as these are mainly elderly with health issues how many would die anyway ? |
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"Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out? "
Panicking never helps, and neither does ignorance.
Even if found today, a treatment, cure or vaccine won’t be available until next year. As for containment, the government are too late on this.
80% of the population could get it, resulting 500,000 deaths. That’s your 2%... a slight increase on 17,000 flu deaths!
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
Just updated myself with Cancer Research, it does state 1 in 2 people but you cannot just take that figure on its own. People living longer than they should due to drugs and health are getting cancer in their old age. Age has become the number one "cause" of cancer. Which is not surprising if you know how a cell lives and dies.
As for other cases, up to 40% is preventable.
Anyway I digress "
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"Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
Panicking never helps, and neither does ignorance.
Even if found today, a treatment, cure or vaccine won’t be available until next year. As for containment, the government are too late on this.
80% of the population could get it, resulting 500,000 deaths. That’s your 2%... a slight increase on 17,000 flu deaths!
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"Forget conspiracies. The earth is over populated. Nature has no compassion. If nature finds earth is overpopulated by 15% then nature will release a virus to cull 15%. From a statistical point, this is brilliant as a virus will have greater effect in highly populated areas than sparsely populated areas.
We might be able to fight this off, but we still have an overpopulation and there will be another virus gestating if this fails.
Whatever measures are taken are only postponing the inevitable, how long this postponement will last is anyone’s guess, but it’s unlikely to be less than a decade before another more deadly virus arises if the population isn’t reduced.
Complain about politicians and businesses being insensitive all you like, but there’s nothing more powerful or with less compassion than nature."
To a degree I agree. We haven't seen the last new corona virus crop up. With the overpopulation it's necessary to find alternative food sources, which means anything that moves and breathes (I draw the line line at spiders and flies  ). |
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
Just updated myself with Cancer Research, it does state 1 in 2 people but you cannot just take that figure on its own. People living longer than they should due to drugs and health are getting cancer in their old age. Age has become the number one "cause" of cancer. Which is not surprising if you know how a cell lives and dies.
As for other cases, up to 40% is preventable.
Anyway I digress
And, you know, public health measures for cancer differ. Obviously."
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I just cannot abide being a source of inaccurate info (which means some stats need elaborating on as many cannot be read simply as a figure, not telling the true story). |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
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Flu killed around 50 million worldwide in the Pandemic of 1918 |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
Flu killed around 50 million worldwide in the Pandemic of 1918"
Interesting but not comparable. |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
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Correct we shouldn’t panic , we should make wise decisions and plan based on our circumstances and with regard to others.
Personally I have taken high VitC for years on advice of experts and keep fit so don’t get coughs, colds flus etc anymore so will either not get it it, or have it and not know as there won’t be any symptoms. At the other end people like my mum, if she got it there’s a very high chance she’d die.
So I’m minimising contact and working from home but not panicking or panic buying. Supermarkets are packed I hear, so I shop at night or 6am. I’m still running daily to stay healthy and regularly re-stocking keeping enough food , diesel and cash for anything unpredictable , but not hoarding pasta and toilet roll - they’re the least important items ! Good supply of tinned fish, whole meal flour , frozen berries and olive oil is much more useful and healthy! If need be I can clean my ass with my hand like most of the population does ! |
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A perspective:
Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year (UNICEF, 2018a). Hunger and undernutrition contribute to more than half of global child deaths, as undernutrition can make children more vulnerable to illness and exacerbate disease (UNICEF, 2018a).
It doesn't immediately nor directly effect global economy or Western economies, stock exchange isn't effected, businesses aren't effected, local economic situation is changed so it's not really a priority.
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" but not hoarding pasta and toilet roll - they’re the least important items ! Good supply of tinned fish, whole meal flour , frozen berries and olive oil is much more useful and healthy! If need be I can clean my ass with my hand like most of the population does ! "
Or they will be cos of others stock piling  |
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"A perspective:
Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year (UNICEF, 2018a). Hunger and undernutrition contribute to more than half of global child deaths, as undernutrition can make children more vulnerable to illness and exacerbate disease (UNICEF, 2018a).
It doesn't immediately nor directly effect global economy or Western economies, stock exchange isn't effected, businesses aren't effected, local economic situation is changed so it's not really a priority.
Just one perspective."
Similarly obesity. Obesity is being recognised under the umbrella term malnutrition nowadays. Will research the stats a bit later in the year. |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
if you want perspective... try this....
they reckon about 60-70% of the entire population will end up getting this virus....
of that "60-70%".... they reckon so far about "15-17%" of those have been in bad enough shape they need to be hospitalised at some point...
work that out..... thats about 10% of the entire population!!!!!
is that enough "prospective" for you?
They reckon
Data please for how they reckon "
"they"... germany leader angela merkle said 60-70%, french leader macron has said "70-75%, British leader johnson has said 70-80%
the 15-17% figure.... French leader macron is saying 15%, our chief medical officer has said 15-20%, the Governor of new york state is saying their hospitalisation rate is 16-18%
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Similarly obesity. Obesity is being recognised under the umbrella term malnutrition nowadays. Will research the stats a bit later in the year. "
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Similarly obesity. Obesity is being recognised under the umbrella term malnutrition nowadays. Will research the stats a bit later in the year.
Yes in 2020, far more people will die of eating too much than too little. In fact, death by starvation is almost fully eradicated."
Much of it is undernutrition of micronutrients, in addition to the effects upon other co-morbidities (existing conditions) and a causitive factor of other conditions.
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
if you want perspective... try this....
they reckon about 60-70% of the entire population will end up getting this virus....
of that "60-70%".... they reckon so far about "15-17%" of those have been in bad enough shape they need to be hospitalised at some point...
work that out..... thats about 10% of the entire population!!!!!
is that enough "prospective" for you?
They reckon
Data please for how they reckon
"they"... germany leader angela merkle said 60-70%, french leader macron has said "70-75%, British leader johnson has said 70-80%
the 15-17% figure.... French leader macron is saying 15%, our chief medical officer has said 15-20%, the Governor of new york state is saying their hospitalisation rate is 16-18%
is that enough for you??? or do you want to keep your head in the sand! "
No
Head not in sand I'm complying more than most I'm treating it as a deadly contagious disease
I'm not convinced that the data the leaders are repeating has basis
UK has not shown those figures it's been infected for long enough and we have taken woefully inadequate measures to prevent the figures if they were to be the logical outcome
Ironically I'd suggest the health service may be more overwhelmed by the idea of the virus than actually by the virus but then no data to support either
If it's a 20 percent need treatment is a fact then it's the process for treating that should have been addressed not a world shut down which will cause vastly more suffering misery and deaths than a 3 5 percent
However if it's more deadly than the UK is currently highlighting
We need to take action last month stop all human movements and shopping and maintain this for decades
Something does not add up no idea what and thus I advocate extra caution beyond recommendations . I dont know thus cautious is my approach
I know even less because I dont trust what we are told we know
I'm very very concerned about something. Something we are not protecting ourselves from whilst we can go on mass to any supermarket or allow ships and planes to still fly with goods and humans
I want to close my business currently gloves and disinfecting everything however if I do I will run out of money to pay the employees very quickly
Head no where near in sand
But data is inconsistent
I care little for what governments say
I question why they say advice know the exact implications of what they say and how pretictible Hurd humans are
People will kill each other
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Nobody has been asked to stop working, we can’t stop cancer by isolating. I’m a nurse in a major hospital, my annual leave has been cancelled for Easter and the foreseeable future and at a meeting yesterday they predict that a third of nhs staff will be off at any one time with varying symptoms and will need isolation or treatment themselves. I’m in the firing line, I’ve seen how fast it spreads and how quickly it attacks with my own eyes. Belittle this virus at your own peril. Keep safe everybody and keep washing your hands.
Ok, so, people have been asked by the government to stop working - all those in hospitality have been told to stop working. Several million people in fact.
The scaremongers are saying we should go into total lockdown. But there is no exit strategy for such a lock down
As a nurse you understand better than most how important it is for you to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can.
I AM doing everything I can to stay healthy and I’m avoiding contact with anyone who may be vulnerable to this.
My pint wasn’t about stopping cancer by isolating, my point was people die. Every single day. From worse illnesses. And yet the majority of people don’t bat an eyelid at it.
But suddenly there’s a new virus that for the majority will thankfully be a relatively easy thing to get over. Unfortunately for those who are vulnerable, most will need help from nurses like yourself and some will regrettably die from it. I wish we could stop ANY deaths but you’re a nurse - not a miracle worker.
I'm not really sure you yourself understand what your point is. Yes there are other awful, painful diseases such as cancer with high rates of mortality but we can at least somewhat predict the effects they will have and try to manage them. We don't have enough data regarding this new virus to be able to predict the devastation it will cause. Yes cancer may kill hundreds of thousands, but not in the same timescale as covid has the capacity to do. There aren't suddenly thousands of people coming down with cancer all at once needing ventilators and round the clock medical care. That is why people are being asked to take such drastic measures; it's not about stopping the virus altogether - it's too late for that now. It's about flattening the curve. Delaying the spread by even a month can drastically decrease the number of people needing hospital care at any one point, meaning there is more equipment and more doctors/nurses to go around, thus less deaths. I don't understand why you think that's such a bad thing? "
Absolutely correct. They are hoping that the virus will peak in three days time and at that point it will reach a level where the nhs can sustain the necessary treatment without being overwhelmed. However once the peak has been reached it will not lower but will plateau enabling us to cope throughout the next several months possibly leading into the autumn and winter season. People are going to be ill, it is about managing the amount and dealing with a longer steady flow that is manageable rather than an overwhelming flood.
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The numbers Im afraid just dont stack up for me. With all the sensitivity in the world a virus that is dangerous for the elderly and vulnerable then going on to kill the elderly and vulnerable isnt medically terrifying. If it swept through a town and killed everyone in it that would be scary. No one is dispensible I totally understand, I have elderly and vulnerable family members, I myself am high risk. I am taking every precaution, as I do as a courtesy every winter virus season but I cannot buy into the figures of that many people will die and the fear of god being put into us, that is what upsets me most about this whole thing.
Stay in stay safe, but not if you're a teacher, nurse, binman etc If it was truly that deadly and people were dropping like flies we would ALL be forced to stay in not just the convenient ones who keep the country ticking over. |
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
if you want perspective... try this....
they reckon about 60-70% of the entire population will end up getting this virus....
of that "60-70%".... they reckon so far about "15-17%" of those have been in bad enough shape they need to be hospitalised at some point...
work that out..... thats about 10% of the entire population!!!!!
is that enough "prospective" for you?
They reckon
Data please for how they reckon
"they"... germany leader angela merkle said 60-70%, french leader macron has said "70-75%, British leader johnson has said 70-80%
the 15-17% figure.... French leader macron is saying 15%, our chief medical officer has said 15-20%, the Governor of new york state is saying their hospitalisation rate is 16-18%
is that enough for you??? or do you want to keep your head in the sand!
No
Head not in sand I'm complying more than most I'm treating it as a deadly contagious disease
I'm not convinced that the data the leaders are repeating has basis
UK has not shown those figures it's been infected for long enough and we have taken woefully inadequate measures to prevent the figures if they were to be the logical outcome
Ironically I'd suggest the health service may be more overwhelmed by the idea of the virus than actually by the virus but then no data to support either
If it's a 20 percent need treatment is a fact then it's the process for treating that should have been addressed not a world shut down which will cause vastly more suffering misery and deaths than a 3 5 percent
However if it's more deadly than the UK is currently highlighting
We need to take action last month stop all human movements and shopping and maintain this for decades
Something does not add up no idea what and thus I advocate extra caution beyond recommendations . I dont know thus cautious is my approach
I know even less because I dont trust what we are told we know
I'm very very concerned about something. Something we are not protecting ourselves from whilst we can go on mass to any supermarket or allow ships and planes to still fly with goods and humans
I want to close my business currently gloves and disinfecting everything however if I do I will run out of money to pay the employees very quickly
Head no where near in sand
But data is inconsistent
I care little for what governments say
I question why they say advice know the exact implications of what they say and how pretictible Hurd humans are
People will kill each other
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Apparently Facebook says
You go out
You catch
You dont know
You recover
However
Whilst you did not know
You visited 83 year old grandad with copd
He caught what you had
He died
So wise up stay in
At what juncture is this ANY different to any other time in your life ?
surely we all KNOW grandad with copd or my mother in my case MUST not catch a nasty else she will die and we all KNOW we can harbour that nasty from anywhere we have been just before we visited UNLESS exceptional hygiene has been practiced
This is why I have done for years my hand rarely touch uncleanded surfaces bare and I avoid close contact because I love my mum and others
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Nobody has been asked to stop working, we can’t stop cancer by isolating. I’m a nurse in a major hospital, my annual leave has been cancelled for Easter and the foreseeable future and at a meeting yesterday they predict that a third of nhs staff will be off at any one time with varying symptoms and will need isolation or treatment themselves. I’m in the firing line, I’ve seen how fast it spreads and how quickly it attacks with my own eyes. Belittle this virus at your own peril. Keep safe everybody and keep washing your hands.
Ok, so, people have been asked by the government to stop working - all those in hospitality have been told to stop working. Several million people in fact.
The scaremongers are saying we should go into total lockdown. But there is no exit strategy for such a lock down
As a nurse you understand better than most how important it is for you to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can.
I AM doing everything I can to stay healthy and I’m avoiding contact with anyone who may be vulnerable to this.
My pint wasn’t about stopping cancer by isolating, my point was people die. Every single day. From worse illnesses. And yet the majority of people don’t bat an eyelid at it.
But suddenly there’s a new virus that for the majority will thankfully be a relatively easy thing to get over. Unfortunately for those who are vulnerable, most will need help from nurses like yourself and some will regrettably die from it. I wish we could stop ANY deaths but you’re a nurse - not a miracle worker.
I'm not really sure you yourself understand what your point is. Yes there are other awful, painful diseases such as cancer with high rates of mortality but we can at least somewhat predict the effects they will have and try to manage them. We don't have enough data regarding this new virus to be able to predict the devastation it will cause. Yes cancer may kill hundreds of thousands, but not in the same timescale as covid has the capacity to do. There aren't suddenly thousands of people coming down with cancer all at once needing ventilators and round the clock medical care. That is why people are being asked to take such drastic measures; it's not about stopping the virus altogether - it's too late for that now. It's about flattening the curve. Delaying the spread by even a month can drastically decrease the number of people needing hospital care at any one point, meaning there is more equipment and more doctors/nurses to go around, thus less deaths. I don't understand why you think that's such a bad thing?
Absolutely correct. They are hoping that the virus will peak in three days time and at that point it will reach a level where the nhs can sustain the necessary treatment without being overwhelmed. However once the peak has been reached it will not lower but will plateau enabling us to cope throughout the next several months possibly leading into the autumn and winter season. People are going to be ill, it is about managing the amount and dealing with a longer steady flow that is manageable rather than an overwhelming flood.
Anyway, back to the ward for me. Stay safe everyone."
The UK has done nothing to stop it
If it has or will peak it's not due to anything beyond hand washing |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer? "
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"Around 2% of people who have caught the new coronavirus have died but this figure is likely to change as treatments are developed and the virus is contained.
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
Should we perhaps not be panicked by the hyped up scare mongering currently being dished out?
just look at Italy and Spain now,
Britain is going to be in a similar position in a few weeks. people need to start taking this virus seriously.
I am. But I’m not panicking. I’m not letting it rule my life for 18months.
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The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu. |
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu."
Thats assuming it hasnt already been around for months and half of us have already caught it, just about got over it and still rasping for breath now.... this hasnt just arrived.  |
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu."
Hang on do we get 35 million all with seasonal flu ? I have seen no data to see why the infection curve would be so vastly different?
Seasonal flu is highly infectious and we do not have immunity just as with this one due to its mutations
Also you then assume from your huge 35 millions that the whole 10 percent could not be treated and would all die
Again I'd suggest we could increase capacity to vastly reduce your maximum claim
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system? "
"OUR" health care system ??
It's in the hands of yankee crooked insurance companies I'll have you know.. |
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu."
Your idea of having it in the same week is pretty alarmist and non based on fact. The disease itself appears to have a very short life with a longer incubation period prior to symptoms. The majority of people who have it have a 14 day window of isolation (they may have infected people prior to this). They are then at home and pass it onto family members who, for example, didn't have it before. So a new 14 days isolation. Once the last person in the family gets it, they can isolate for 7 days. These people are not passing it onto others.
Other people not sticking to advice until lockdown are potentially passing it on until they have to self isolate etc. This has still slowed down the transmission rate.
The transmission rate slows down even more during lockdown and even further during police controlled lockdown.
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I will re iterate
I do not advocate not following the advice
I advocate even stronger precautions because I dont know
However my caution is not because I trust any data I question its extrapolation logic as above
What does concen me is
A false reason given for a necessary evil
The reasons given clearly illustrated to be false
People then changing behaviour that has been orchestrated necessarily for the well being of them individually or the species as a whole
I will reiterate
I do not know I'm concerned and advocate caution and adherence not complacent dismissal
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu.
Your idea of having it in the same week is pretty alarmist and non based on fact. The disease itself appears to have a very short life with a longer incubation period prior to symptoms. The majority of people who have it have a 14 day window of isolation (they may have infected people prior to this). They are then at home and pass it onto family members who, for example, didn't have it before. So a new 14 days isolation. Once the last person in the family gets it, they can isolate for 7 days. These people are not passing it onto others.
Other people not sticking to advice until lockdown are potentially passing it on until they have to self isolate etc. This has still slowed down the transmission rate.
The transmission rate slows down even more during lockdown and even further during police controlled lockdown.
I agree we will have a peak week But we will not all have it in that week. "
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu.
Thats assuming it hasnt already been around for months and half of us have already caught it, just about got over it and still rasping for breath now.... this hasnt just arrived. "
It hasn't been around for months, that was something different. I had it. It wasn't covid-19.
This is different. It's not just a rumour or media hype. Anyone with above A level knowledge of mathematics can track the increase in numbers reported across every country and recognise it as an out of control pandemic, spreading out from infection points caused by specific individuals entering the countries after being exposed in china, or being exposed to someone that was exposed in china.
The numbers have been checked individually by thousands of mathematicians and scientists. There are slight disagreements about the exact spread rate, the exact period until it hits maximum, the exact benefit of different attempts at control.
But all are in agreement. This is a pandemic. It is maybe still controllable but gets more out of hand every day. And governments are willing to spend more money than every other health project in history to try to avoid piles of bodies in the streets. |
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If you really want some perspective use a little of your time and check out the facts and figures of the 1918 flu epidemic and its effects on a global scale I won't quote figures but they are scary then ask why in just over a hundred years later we are still worried about a flu virus with all the advancements we have had in medicine its simply because this isn't a normal flu virus it's a very aggressive viral strain that can transfer easily from person to person so when advice like washing of hands and sanitary behaviour is given out by the powers that be understand that its be given for our benefit,cooperation and common sense are our best defence at a time like this. I'm not saying be robots and do as your told blindly just take extra precautions in your daily routine |
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu.
Thats assuming it hasnt already been around for months and half of us have already caught it, just about got over it and still rasping for breath now.... this hasnt just arrived.
It hasn't been around for months, that was something different. I had it. It wasn't covid-19.
This is different. It's not just a rumour or media hype. Anyone with above A level knowledge of mathematics can track the increase in numbers reported across every country and recognise it as an out of control pandemic, spreading out from infection points caused by specific individuals entering the countries after being exposed in china, or being exposed to someone that was exposed in china.
The numbers have been checked individually by thousands of mathematicians and scientists. There are slight disagreements about the exact spread rate, the exact period until it hits maximum, the exact benefit of different attempts at control.
But all are in agreement. This is a pandemic. It is maybe still controllable but gets more out of hand every day. And governments are willing to spend more money than every other health project in history to try to avoid piles of bodies in the streets."
Yet they've done nothing
Have you seen the exponential contacts happening in the supermarkets
1 can do the maths too
If 5 spread to 5 daily
In 11 days 50 000 000
It's been around longer than 30
You have no UK data on infection rate as we are not testing
I love 6 degrees of separation it also explains exponentially infection paths
So many people touching daily in the UK
So little data for infection
2 to the power 22 ie 2 a day daily is about 33 million
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu.
Your idea of having it in the same week is pretty alarmist and non based on fact. The disease itself appears to have a very short life with a longer incubation period prior to symptoms. The majority of people who have it have a 14 day window of isolation (they may have infected people prior to this). They are then at home and pass it onto family members who, for example, didn't have it before. So a new 14 days isolation. Once the last person in the family gets it, they can isolate for 7 days. These people are not passing it onto others.
Other people not sticking to advice until lockdown are potentially passing it on until they have to self isolate etc. This has still slowed down the transmission rate.
The transmission rate slows down even more during lockdown and even further during police controlled lockdown.
I agree we will have a peak week But we will not all have it in that week.
I see no evidence to collaborate a single week super high "
The peak of the "curve". I'm sure Italy is hoping this week is their peak week with over 400 deaths recorded yesterday. You can look at it as a peak day or week or month, it just depends how you read the actual curve data and not the predicted one. |
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Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year.
So, you're proposing that we do nothing and let 510,000 people die instead? and while doing that utterly cripple our health care system?
That is a worst case scenario.
So if I do exactly as I’ve been told which is to wash my hands and keep surfaces clean, keep away from vulnerable people I’m responsible for killing 510000????
If EVERYONE stops working tomorrow you will ALL be fucked.
Who is going to get your food to you?? Magical fairies?
Who will work in the hospitals?? Magical pixies?
Get a grip. Be sensible and use your common sense. Yes people WILL die. I don’t like that fact any more than you do.
But 1 in 2 people WILL get cancer in their lifetime. A lot of those WILL die. Are we all going to isolate forever to try and stop cancer?
... The situations are not even remotely comparable
We should all stop working so you feel like you’ve won the argument? I note that you didn’t answer my questions....
Perhaps because you’re afraid to admit that I am right???"
Propably more to do with that they just can't win with Stupid! |
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"Lemmings and sheep.
Read what you want. Panic. But into the conspiracy theories. Don’t think for yourselves. Pick and choose what you want to comment on and take everything out of context.
You really don’t get this at all do you?
Take sensible precautions and get on with life. Stay away from the vulnerable and pray you’re healthy
As for cancer - where the fuck did I say it was contagious???? I didn’t did I? What I said was 1 in 2 people will get a form of cancer in their lives. And yet we don’t panic like we are over a virus.
And if you doubt the 1 in 2 figure - go ask a cancer charity. It used to be 1 in 3 but it’s now 1 in 2.
Just updated myself with Cancer Research, it does state 1 in 2 people but you cannot just take that figure on its own. People living longer than they should due to drugs and health are getting cancer in their old age. Age has become the number one "cause" of cancer. Which is not surprising if you know how a cell lives and dies.
As for other cases, up to 40% is preventable.
Anyway I digress
And, you know, public health measures for cancer differ. Obviously.
Working, so to speak, in health, yes.
I just cannot abide being a source of inaccurate info (which means some stats need elaborating on as many cannot be read simply as a figure, not telling the true story). "
I don't work in health, but the lack of critical thinking, ability to consume information etc, scares me. |
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"If you really want some perspective use a little of your time and check out the facts and figures of the 1918 flu epidemic and its effects on a global scale I won't quote figures but they are scary then ask why in just over a hundred years later we are still worried about a flu virus with all the advancements we have had in medicine its simply because this isn't a normal flu virus it's a very aggressive viral strain that can transfer easily from person to person so when advice like washing of hands and sanitary behaviour is given out by the powers that be understand that its be given for our benefit,cooperation and common sense are our best defence at a time like this. I'm not saying be robots and do as your told blindly just take extra precautions in your daily routine "
I'd use your time to correct your info. It's not a flu virus but has similarities. It's not a different strain (mutation). It is a new zoonotic virus that isn't helped by us comparing the 1918 flu pandemic with many reasons why. |
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The title of this thread is perspective so how many people do you know that smoke ,drink too much or are obese.
At least half the population falls into one or more of those categories and those are much bigger killers than this or any virus Also unlike this virus those are totally within the control of each individual person. |
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"The big difference between the virus and all the other forms of death being talked about: Everything else is a balanced killer occuring more or less equally around the year. There are 67 million people in this country. The average lifetime is maybe 65 years? Perhaps a bit less. But this means that yes, about a million people will die every year of something. But this as spread over 52 weeks, so on average its about 20,000 a week.
Everything in our society is based on no more than 20,000 deaths each week in the uk. Cremation capacity? 20,000 bodies a week. My mother died 2 years ago in the winter when the death rate was up a bit, we had to wait a month to get her cremated. Fortunately the undertaker had freezer capacity to hold enough bodies for about a month.
This virus, if uncontrolled, is building to a peak where three quarters of the people that are going to get it will all have it during the same week. Thats three quarters of 50 million, all sick at the same time. About 37 million people all coughing their lungs up at the same time. At least one tenth of them will need hospitals, without treatment they will just die. All during the same week. About three and a half million people dead. During the same seven day period. Thats about four years worth of dead bodies. In a week.
To give them funerals and normal cremations would take four years. Because that's the crematorium capacity.
You know what will happen? There will be big piles of dead bodies in every local park, with soldiers pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire. And it will still take months to clear them all.
Three and a half million bodies, all needing burning at the same time. That doesn't happen with cancer. That doesn't happen with road deaths. That doesn't happen with seasonal flu.
Thats assuming it hasnt already been around for months and half of us have already caught it, just about got over it and still rasping for breath now.... this hasnt just arrived. "
Is out gets on it has.
China denied it for 2-3 weeks minimum, this we know, they silenced their own scientists who wanted to speak out, but it could have been much longer. Italy realised they had it much longer than first suspected, so why couldn't any other country visited by tourists from China or returning from China have got it about the same time. I'm not sure it correct to assume how it's spread in Italy is the same rate it'll spread in other places. Social activities, age population and responses to government directives are also not the same in countries.
We could have had it the same time as Italy, as could have America. Initial deaths could have been put down as something else before China panicked and decided to warn the world. |
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