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Im sorry really sorry that people will lose they lives to this virus. But if the global economy is sent in total meltdown to the point That another great depression Is on the horizon,The next two generation could live in a world where jobs are non existent and the 10 year period of monetary policy by the conservative party will look pleasent... after this is all over so many businesses will have gone never to return, the hospitality industry around the world will never recover. It's great to save lives thats SUPER important, but all these lockdowns are destroying the economy and will destroy lives , and the most horrific thought is once it's over and we come out of this lockdown and into the great world depression, that the suicide rate in the uk will rise to a new horrific high maybe even more than died by the virus |
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"Im sorry really sorry that people will lose they lives to this virus. But if the global economy is sent in total meltdown to the point That another great depression Is on the horizon,The next two generation could live in a world where jobs are non existent and the 10 year period of monetary policy by the conservative party will look pleasent... after this is all over so many businesses will have gone never to return, the hospitality industry around the world will never recover. It's great to save lives thats SUPER important, but all these lockdowns are destroying the economy and will destroy lives , and the most horrific thought is once it's over and we come out of this lockdown and into the great world depression, that the suicide rate in the uk will rise to a new horrific high maybe even more than died by the virus "
I'd rather take my chances with the economic breakdown rather than loose friends and relatives to a shitty virus.
There's just about enough infrastructure left to rebuild no thanks to the previous 50 years of goverments.Even if it's 18 months of lockdown as they say may happen.
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It's never good when some starts with "I'm sorry people will die...but" 
If there is one thing the government will be considering it's the economic situation. Beyond anything else that should tell people how serious this situation is. If the government will risk recession to try to slow this virus down then it's bloody serious.
As for never recovering, we've recovered from wars in the past and other countries have recovered from worse. To say we'll never recover is overly dramatic. |
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over a year ago
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Unlike other economic downturns this one isnt an issue with the markets or any fiscal policy. This is a once in a generation or more natural disaster type of act that will result in a V upturn in the economy...albeit there will be long term consequences
However all that said... the MOST important thing is saving lives. Economies will recover the dead wont.
I have over 70 staff and my thoughts are to look after them and their families safety then their prosperity |
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"Unlike other economic downturns this one isnt an issue with the markets or any fiscal policy. This is a once in a generation or more natural disaster type of act that will result in a V upturn in the economy...albeit there will be long term consequences
However all that said... the MOST important thing is saving lives. Economies will recover the dead wont.
I have over 70 staff and my thoughts are to look after them and their families safety then their prosperity "
Glad someone said it! We are sure of some things, currently no-one can tell the future, there isn't at this time a vacaine immediately available and this flu will kill, no one can raise the dead there will be financial burdens. There have been flu eppidemics before, Spanish, Asia, Hong Kong they all left scars but we moved on. In 2008 the world reacted differently to what was a world wide financial crises to equal 1920 and avoided the same result! We are now working closer together WHO and science as well as economically I for one hope and believe together even if physically apart we can and will prevail. Much worse things are normally predicted than actually prevail. We must work together for everyone's sake think of your personal responsibilities to others as well as yourselves. |
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In the uk a realistic unemployment figure is 6 to 10 million after this is all over , the hospitality industry and its connected industries will never recover to its pre covid levels, hotels bars pubs restaurants will be the very last Things to be allowed to open , many closed few will re open. The great depression of 1929 will pale in comparison to the post covid depression, homelessness will rise to horrific levels , think hoverville in central park in the 30's. The suicide levels will rise to levels that will curdle the blood. The question has to be asked if lets say the final death total from covid is 100,000 and that without lockdown it would of been a million is the lockdown a good idea if the uk economy is totally destroyed for 20-25 years. |
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over a year ago
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To a certain extent I’m with the OP. It’s one of the reasons why I think it was such a hard decision to work out when was right to lockdown.
Many, many people here will remember the devastation of communities in the eighties when the mines and manufacturing were slammed into the wall. Those communities still haven’t recovered.
And actually we also need to remember that many were complaining about not being prepared for this crisis. Some of that I think is fair criticism. How can we prepare for the next crisis (and it may well not be health related) if our economy is shot? |
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"I really don't understand why you feel the economy is more important than lives. I assume you do not have someone who has died from this?"
Because you need a balanced view in all this, the ops post was sympathetic to the loss of life, but on the other hand you can't just stick two fingers up to the countries (and worlds) economies and wait for this to disappear.
It's a horrible dilemma those in power have to deal with, even when we come out of lock down there will still be loss of life due to the virus, someone has to make the big decision to open up for business again.
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I absolutely agree. There comes a point that quality of life is important as preserving life at all costs.
For example you could live forever on life support but what is the point?
The reality is the government policy isn't to save lives, it is to delay illness so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed. The level of misunderstanding of people is extraordinary - they honestly think this will just disappear after lockdown. This is here to stay, the people that are going to die are going to die. So what is the point in killing the economy too. |
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"There’s always plenty of work in the care sector  "
 An easy answer to save anyone from losing their home.
And how about everyone caring a little more?
Also, starting from the top, (look at New Zealand's politicians ATM for example) everyone becoming less competitive. |
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If there was ever a time to introduce a basic universal income it's now. With the inevitable mass unemployment as well as many jobs simply disappearing due to technology and efficiency improvements it seems like the perfect time. |
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Saying hospitality won't ever recover is wrong, existing companies may go under which is sad but there will always be another entrepreneur to fill the gap. Pretty sure it recovered and eventually boomed after the spanish flu outbreak.... |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"If there was ever a time to introduce a basic universal income it's now. With the inevitable mass unemployment as well as many jobs simply disappearing due to technology and efficiency improvements it seems like the perfect time. "
As a short term fix or permanently? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A basic universal income would be actually worse for many countries. If china and other far eastern countries had to pay the same salaries as Europe and the USA then there economies would implode, simply because they flourish in manufacturing because of low wages add transport costs to the wage hike and goods would be cheaper made locally.. |
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Why do some folk just see this as black and white? They think of you want a stable economy then you must want folk to die. Utter nonsense. Nobody wants to see anyone die but equally they don't want to be out of a job and see their home repossessed. The mental implications to alot of folk will be just as deadly as the virus is. That's not being callous or not caring about the virus, it's just fact. |
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"Im sorry really sorry that people will lose they lives to this virus. But if the global economy is sent in total meltdown to the point That another great depression Is on the horizon,The next two generation could live in a world where jobs are non existent and the 10 year period of monetary policy by the conservative party will look pleasent... after this is all over so many businesses will have gone never to return, the hospitality industry around the world will never recover. It's great to save lives thats SUPER important, but all these lockdowns are destroying the economy and will destroy lives , and the most horrific thought is once it's over and we come out of this lockdown and into the great world depression, that the suicide rate in the uk will rise to a new horrific high maybe even more than died by the virus "
As a nurse :
The underinvestment of the NHS is now proving to be a huge false economy. If the capacity and ability was at pre austerity levels with the NHS to test / limit exposure and treat in a more isolated fashion the lockdown would have been much shorter  |
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"Please everyone don't start addressing me as comrade:
Boom and bust is and always has been an integral part of capitalism. "
Yes the economy will be back , it's the ultimate definition of self self self to think of your own earning capacity at the expense of 1000s of lives
It's a time Think of others and stay indoors |
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"Im sorry really sorry that people will lose they lives to this virus. But if the global economy is sent in total meltdown to the point That another great depression Is on the horizon,The next two generation could live in a world where jobs are non existent and the 10 year period of monetary policy by the conservative party will look pleasent... after this is all over so many businesses will have gone never to return, the hospitality industry around the world will never recover. It's great to save lives thats SUPER important, but all these lockdowns are destroying the economy and will destroy lives , and the most horrific thought is once it's over and we come out of this lockdown and into the great world depression, that the suicide rate in the uk will rise to a new horrific high maybe even more than died by the virus "
I stopped reading at ..I'm sorry people will lose their lives. |
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over a year ago
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change."
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit 
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change."
Hopefully not in the direction that Hancocks friend Lord Bethell, the recently appointed testing boss wants..
Who knew that a background in lobbying for such things as uber and privatisation of parts of the NHS equipped a person with the necessary skills and experience to run a central core of the government's response to the virus.
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?"
Off you, and you and you and you... And not charity. A world turned upside down with revised priorities where the things that are REALLY IMPORTANT are deal with before the superficial stuff. The last 3 weeks has quickly taught us what they are. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs. "
Tend to agree, small and medium sized businesses lol to be particularly hit by this and let's hope that the spirit of such people will not be diminished by this issue..
What's that phrase about necessity being the mother of..? |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs. "
You dont think the NHS will change?
Personally I think if we are going to reboot the economy we could do worse than taking a leaf out of Germany's book and go back to actually making stuff as opposed to relying on bankers and stockbrokers. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Hopefully not in the direction that Hancocks friend Lord Bethell, the recently appointed testing boss wants..
Who knew that a background in lobbying for such things as uber and privatisation of parts of the NHS equipped a person with the necessary skills and experience to run a central core of the government's response to the virus.
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I think it will go 1 way or another depending on your level of cynicism. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs.
You dont think the NHS will change?
Personally I think if we are going to reboot the economy we could do worse than taking a leaf out of Germany's book and go back to actually making stuff as opposed to relying on bankers and stockbrokers."
Shit, shit, shit!!! I’m panicking now. I’m on the verge of agreeing with you.
I think this is an opportunity to remodel the country. I’d like to see manufacturing coming back. I’d like to see the small businesses flourish. But I also want the City to do well. Why can’t we have both?
And here’s another thing. Why wouldn’t we spend oodles on infrastructure whilst interest rates are so low? Creates work and would allow us to position ourselves as a forward looking country. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs.
You dont think the NHS will change?
Personally I think if we are going to reboot the economy we could do worse than taking a leaf out of Germany's book and go back to actually making stuff as opposed to relying on bankers and stockbrokers.
Shit, shit, shit!!! I’m panicking now. I’m on the verge of agreeing with you.
I think this is an opportunity to remodel the country. I’d like to see manufacturing coming back. I’d like to see the small businesses flourish. But I also want the City to do well. Why can’t we have both?
And here’s another thing. Why wouldn’t we spend oodles on infrastructure whilst interest rates are so low? Creates work and would allow us to position ourselves as a forward looking country. "
Yes..
Agreed.. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs.
You dont think the NHS will change?
Personally I think if we are going to reboot the economy we could do worse than taking a leaf out of Germany's book and go back to actually making stuff as opposed to relying on bankers and stockbrokers.
Shit, shit, shit!!! I’m panicking now. I’m on the verge of agreeing with you.
I think this is an opportunity to remodel the country. I’d like to see manufacturing coming back. I’d like to see the small businesses flourish. But I also want the City to do well. Why can’t we have both?
And here’s another thing. Why wouldn’t we spend oodles on infrastructure whilst interest rates are so low? Creates work and would allow us to position ourselves as a forward looking country. "
I think if the last month has shown us anything its who the most important people are in society..those who stop it from cracking completely.And it's not the "wealth creators'in the city.
Like I said we could do worse than look at Germany's economy and get a few tips. |
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Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises.. |
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"Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises.. "
They certainly seem to have a very robust economy and they are renowned for their efficiency of course?
Have they kept hold of a lot of their industries? |
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"Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises..
They certainly seem to have a very robust economy and they are renowned for their efficiency of course?
Have they kept hold of a lot of their industries?"
Not sure tbh, I think like any nation there will be a mixture..
There seems and its in some Scandinavian economies too to be a much better approach to the worker, management relationships..
We seem to be still in some areas welded to the master, serf thing here..
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?"
It comes from the political will to do it . The NHS was underfunded when the economy was doing well and we are paying a heavy price now. I just hope we have all learnt from this ? a really hard lesson |
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By *ingo69Man
over a year ago
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I think if the last month has shown us anything it is people who are most important in society without people no work . without work no pay , back to square one without people no work , so the message stay in till its over and stay alive so we can build work back up again,no good having jobs if no bugger to to them |
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"Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises..
They certainly seem to have a very robust economy and they are renowned for their efficiency of course?
Have they kept hold of a lot of their industries?
Not sure tbh, I think like any nation there will be a mixture..
There seems and its in some Scandinavian economies too to be a much better approach to the worker, management relationships..
We seem to be still in some areas welded to the master, serf thing here..
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A lot of the scandavanian countries seem to have a mix of socialist and capitalist type structures which seem to work quite well.
We seem to have followed the american model. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
It comes from the political will to do it . The NHS was underfunded when the economy was doing well and we are paying a heavy price now. I just hope we have all learnt from this ? a really hard lesson"
Like I said earlier I think 1 way or another The nhs will change.It will either be funded better (increased tax)or go the other way. |
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
It comes from the political will to do it . The NHS was underfunded when the economy was doing well and we are paying a heavy price now. I just hope we have all learnt from this ? a really hard lesson"
A political doctrine of blaming the least we'll off for all the country's problems. Is anyone seeing through this yet? |
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"Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises..
They certainly seem to have a very robust economy and they are renowned for their efficiency of course?
Have they kept hold of a lot of their industries?
Not sure tbh, I think like any nation there will be a mixture..
There seems and its in some Scandinavian economies too to be a much better approach to the worker, management relationships..
We seem to be still in some areas welded to the master, serf thing here..
A lot of the scandavanian countries seem to have a mix of socialist and capitalist type structures which seem to work quite well.
We seem to have followed the american model."
Having Nursed in America for 10 years and in the UK for 20 I can assure you we are in no way following their model. Although the NHS is severely underfunded the Anerican has massive resources for the well off and like a third world country for the poor, we have not stooped in any way to their levels |
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The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen. |
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"Certainly Germany practices of workers being seen as fundamental to most businesses, proper inclusive consultation with trade bodies etc is part of their strategy and success rather than a drive by some in industry here to go back to victorian practises..
They certainly seem to have a very robust economy and they are renowned for their efficiency of course?
Have they kept hold of a lot of their industries?
Not sure tbh, I think like any nation there will be a mixture..
There seems and its in some Scandinavian economies too to be a much better approach to the worker, management relationships..
We seem to be still in some areas welded to the master, serf thing here..
A lot of the scandavanian countries seem to have a mix of socialist and capitalist type structures which seem to work quite well.
We seem to have followed the american model.
Having Nursed in America for 10 years and in the UK for 20 I can assure you we are in no way following their model. Although the NHS is severely underfunded the Anerican has massive resources for the well off and like a third world country for the poor, we have not stooped in any way to their levels "
I'm not saying we have..but in terms of disparity between rich and poor,individualism over collectivism,reliance on the market,emphasis on shareholders etc we seem to be more closer to them..then say a Sweden or a Norway whi have a more balanced approach.
Though I stand to be corrected |
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We can take a hit but the government must ensure that it's not the poorest who suffer disproportionately, especially after 10 years of austerity.
Sadly I think it will be many of our smaller businesses who will suffer catastrophically, more so than more resilient larger corporates.
We can face it and saving lives is much more important. A flexible entrepreneurial response will save many.
I worry that a new flu strain could follow and add significant damage, as it's predictable and would be catastrophic, after what we'll have had.
We need to remain vigilant that our health service gets increased funding, despite the damage to the economy. It would be better than military investment.
Lifestyles will be curtailed but we really need just shelter, food and water to survive. |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen. "
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted |
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My loved ones lives on one side and "just another" economical crisis on the other side.
For me it's clear on which side we need to invest. Maybe some people don't have "loved ones".
The effects of the lockdown won't be much worse than the effects of the Brexit anyway. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Im sorry really sorry that people will lose they lives to this virus. But if the global economy is sent in total meltdown to the point That another great depression Is on the horizon,The next two generation could live in a world where jobs are non existent and the 10 year period of monetary policy by the conservative party will look pleasent... after this is all over so many businesses will have gone never to return, the hospitality industry around the world will never recover. It's great to save lives thats SUPER important, but all these lockdowns are destroying the economy and will destroy lives , and the most horrific thought is once it's over and we come out of this lockdown and into the great world depression, that the suicide rate in the uk will rise to a new horrific high maybe even more than died by the virus "
Please try to be a bit more positive,yes there will be a depression but we are far more capable of dealing with it 100 years on.It will take 5 maybe 10 years to recover but not generations and people will become better people hopefully,life is not meant to be perfect and I believe that many in this world may become better people through this.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It's never good when some starts with "I'm sorry people will die...but"
If there is one thing the government will be considering it's the economic situation. Beyond anything else that should tell people how serious this situation is. If the government will risk recession to try to slow this virus down then it's bloody serious.
As for never recovering, we've recovered from wars in the past and other countries have recovered from worse. To say we'll never recover is overly dramatic."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So how do we fund the NHS properly without a functioning economy? Where does the money come from?
Once this is all over..1 way or another The NHS will change.
Oh Lionel, don’t give me the mystic meg bit
It will still have to be funded and I hope better than it has in the past. But you know something? When the immediacy of this emergency passes, the next set of heroes will be the business people who dust themselves down and start dragging the economy back and creating jobs.
You dont think the NHS will change?
Personally I think if we are going to reboot the economy we could do worse than taking a leaf out of Germany's book and go back to actually making stuff as opposed to relying on bankers and stockbrokers.
Shit, shit, shit!!! I’m panicking now. I’m on the verge of agreeing with you.
I think this is an opportunity to remodel the country. I’d like to see manufacturing coming back. I’d like to see the small businesses flourish. But I also want the City to do well. Why can’t we have both?
And here’s another thing. Why wouldn’t we spend oodles on infrastructure whilst interest rates are so low? Creates work and would allow us to position ourselves as a forward looking country.
I think if the last month has shown us anything its who the most important people are in society..those who stop it from cracking completely.And it's not the "wealth creators'in the city.
Like I said we could do worse than look at Germany's economy and get a few tips."
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted "
Well firstly it really does. I, like many, have lost loved ones to various medical issues .... so it does go out to affected people. And you have zero idea what I do for a living... I can guarantee my first hand experience of this issue will be far far greater than yours.
And yes we can limit it and that’s what we will do... like we try and limit the affects of all medical issues. But we can’t and won’t shut down the world... it doesn’t work like that. And as for the phrase ‘acceptable mortality’ I’m sorry if it hurts your ears but yes... yes there is. Decisions like this are made all the time.... you might not like it but it’s a reality we have to face.... and a reality that occurs every day but you just didn’t know about it ! |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted "
I thought he put it across perfectly, he's not being cold,but it's not practical to lock everyone away until the virus disappears. The country couldn't afford it. |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted
I thought he put it across perfectly, he's not being cold,but it's not practical to lock everyone away until the virus disappears. The country couldn't afford it. "
And the virus won’t just ‘disappear’... it will be managed like all other viruses out there. And the medical profession will do a fantastic job of managing it to the best of their ability. |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted
I thought he put it across perfectly, he's not being cold,but it's not practical to lock everyone away until the virus disappears. The country couldn't afford it. "
In the same way that we don't ban all vehicles because some people die in road accidents. The cure shouldn't be worse than the disease. |
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"Saying hospitality won't ever recover is wrong, existing companies may go under which is sad but there will always be another entrepreneur to fill the gap. Pretty sure it recovered and eventually boomed after the spanish flu outbreak...."
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"Saying hospitality won't ever recover is wrong, existing companies may go under which is sad but there will always be another entrepreneur to fill the gap. Pretty sure it recovered and eventually boomed after the spanish flu outbreak....
Lots of people died of Spanish Flu....but no lockdowns were implemented and no economies shut down....different times...."
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted
Well firstly it really does. I, like many, have lost loved ones to various medical issues .... so it does go out to affected people. And you have zero idea what I do for a living... I can guarantee my first hand experience of this issue will be far far greater than yours.
And yes we can limit it and that’s what we will do... like we try and limit the affects of all medical issues. But we can’t and won’t shut down the world... it doesn’t work like that. And as for the phrase ‘acceptable mortality’ I’m sorry if it hurts your ears but yes... yes there is. Decisions like this are made all the time.... you might not like it but it’s a reality we have to face.... and a reality that occurs every day but you just didn’t know about it !"
This is no usual medical issue.
30 years nursing ( oops I better check what age I put on here lol )so your background must be impressive, however it's obvious who are pen pushers or lacking compassion with no social sense and who are carers and medics from this thread .
No one is saying forever but common sense tells us that it will be probably be 4 weeks + until we can think about the economic aspect. |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted
I thought he put it across perfectly, he's not being cold,but it's not practical to lock everyone away until the virus disappears. The country couldn't afford it.
In the same way that we don't ban all vehicles because some people die in road accidents. The cure shouldn't be worse than the disease."
The cure is certainly not worse than the disease ! |
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"The reality is that this is a medical issue that kills people and will continue to kill people ..... like many many other medical issues. Whether people want to accept it or not you cannot destroy entire economies indefinitely. These extreme measures are short term, countries will return to a state of ‘normality’ fairly soon as the alternative will cause more harm than good. I will get shouted down for this but there is an ‘acceptable’ mortality rate for this medical issue as the world cannot stop. And to anyone who has lost a loved one to this my heart goes out to you.... in the same way goes out to people who loose loved ones to cancer, MND etc..... but the world cannot stop because if it does the affects will be far far worse than anything we e ever seen.
Youd heart obviously does not go out to people please !!
If it was you or yours or saw first hand you would judge things very differently.
We can limit it so let's carry on and do that ...
There is no acceptable mortality that's so cold hearted
Well firstly it really does. I, like many, have lost loved ones to various medical issues .... so it does go out to affected people. And you have zero idea what I do for a living... I can guarantee my first hand experience of this issue will be far far greater than yours.
And yes we can limit it and that’s what we will do... like we try and limit the affects of all medical issues. But we can’t and won’t shut down the world... it doesn’t work like that. And as for the phrase ‘acceptable mortality’ I’m sorry if it hurts your ears but yes... yes there is. Decisions like this are made all the time.... you might not like it but it’s a reality we have to face.... and a reality that occurs every day but you just didn’t know about it !
This is no usual medical issue.
30 years nursing ( oops I better check what age I put on here lol )so your background must be impressive, however it's obvious who are pen pushers or lacking compassion with no social sense and who are carers and medics from this thread .
No one is saying forever but common sense tells us that it will be probably be 4 weeks + until we can think about the economic aspect."
It is actually... but that’s not the point. You’ve actually just rebuffed your own stance.... so the economic aspect is a valid point... but only in 4 weeks time?. I’ve at no point put any time limits on what I’ve said... I’ve merely stated that the economic impact has to come into play. And you clearly agree as youve stayed a distinct time scale when it does.
If you have 30 years ‘on them front line’ as you allude to you I’m sure you are aware that you can show care and compassion whilst being aware of the uncomfortable and sometimes painfully realistic elements of life?
Or maybe you’re only compassionate for the next 4 weeks.... then you’ll consider the economic impact.... but only when it matters according to you ... maybe |
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Think about what's been said on the news and try to understand it's about flattening the curve to enable the health services to cope ?
Luckily most people understand and are staying in etc etc.
Please try and watch the news and try to understand please xx
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx"
Indeed , looking at the modelling they showed on TV and on the internet and what's happening in Spain ( my family are in Madrid and it's getting lifted in stages ) in the UK they are a few weeks behind so I reckon 4 weeks staying in lockdown sounds right.
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx
Indeed , looking at the modelling they showed on TV and on the internet and what's happening in Spain ( my family are in Madrid and it's getting lifted in stages ) in the UK they are a few weeks behind so I reckon 4 weeks staying in lockdown sounds right.
The economy will pick up in a few years people dying do not "
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx"
This is my entire point that some people seem too busy getting on their high horse to understand! This whole issue is about implementing extreme measures to ‘flatten the curve’ and allow our infrastructure to cope. But it isn’t a long term solution and is unsustainable. So yes, we all need to do what’s being requested and comply with social distancing, of course we do. But that is a short term measure to meet a very specific need. At some point the economic impact will have to come into play and lockdown will be relaxed via a staged approach. And this awful virus is here now. It’s not going away and will continue to unfortunately take people’s lives.
You don’t have to be a pen pusher (I’m not by the way) to accept thst is a reality of many diseases and will be a reality of this one. Accepting that doesn’t make anyone less compassionate. |
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx"
Thank you for clarifying. I assumed everyone understood such a simple concept but it seemed not everyone?
I must admit the support we have had amongst the public is amazing but after 5 successive 12 hour shifts I find it difficult seeing ridiculous comments from pen pushing business types who do not understand. Thank you David for clarifying for them xx |
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx
This is my entire point that some people seem too busy getting on their high horse to understand! This whole issue is about implementing extreme measures to ‘flatten the curve’ and allow our infrastructure to cope. But it isn’t a long term solution and is unsustainable. So yes, we all need to do what’s being requested and comply with social distancing, of course we do. But that is a short term measure to meet a very specific need. At some point the economic impact will have to come into play and lockdown will be relaxed via a staged approach. And this awful virus is here now. It’s not going away and will continue to unfortunately take people’s lives.
You don’t have to be a pen pusher (I’m not by the way) to accept thst is a reality of many diseases and will be a reality of this one. Accepting that doesn’t make anyone less compassionate. "
You are slowly understanding at last lol hence the 4 weeks when we can lift certain travel and work restrictions.
The social distancing however will go on far longer |
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx
Thank you for clarifying. I assumed everyone understood such a simple concept but it seemed not everyone?
I must admit the support we have had amongst the public is amazing but after 5 successive 12 hour shifts I find it difficult seeing ridiculous comments from pen pushing business types who do not understand. Thank you David for clarifying for them xx"
Ridiculous. My entire point from the start has been that there is no cure so this disease will be one of many we manage and live with. And as for the pen pushing business type accusation... you couldn’t be further from the truth...I coukd spout off about what I actually do, the hours and locations I’m working and the impact not just on me but my loved ones also.... but I’m not getting on a moral high horse. I’ve made a logical point that you agree with... but only in 4 weeks time. I can’t keep repeating that accepting that doesn’t remove anyone’s compassion... it’s just a reality you can accept or not.
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx
This is my entire point that some people seem too busy getting on their high horse to understand! This whole issue is about implementing extreme measures to ‘flatten the curve’ and allow our infrastructure to cope. But it isn’t a long term solution and is unsustainable. So yes, we all need to do what’s being requested and comply with social distancing, of course we do. But that is a short term measure to meet a very specific need. At some point the economic impact will have to come into play and lockdown will be relaxed via a staged approach. And this awful virus is here now. It’s not going away and will continue to unfortunately take people’s lives.
You don’t have to be a pen pusher (I’m not by the way) to accept thst is a reality of many diseases and will be a reality of this one. Accepting that doesn’t make anyone less compassionate.
You are slowly understanding at last lol hence the 4 weeks when we can lift certain travel and work restrictions.
The social distancing however will go on far longer "
I’ve never not understood!!! You’ve just been too on your high horse to grasp what I’m actually saying..... and what I’ve said from the start. |
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"I absolutely agree. There comes a point that quality of life is important as preserving life at all costs.
For example you could live forever on life support but what is the point?
The reality is the government policy isn't to save lives, it is to delay illness so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed. The level of misunderstanding of people is extraordinary - they honestly think this will just disappear after lockdown. This is here to stay, the people that are going to die are going to die. So what is the point in killing the economy too. "
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"I absolutely agree. There comes a point that quality of life is important as preserving life at all costs.
For example you could live forever on life support but what is the point?
The reality is the government policy isn't to save lives, it is to delay illness so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed. The level of misunderstanding of people is extraordinary - they honestly think this will just disappear after lockdown. This is here to stay, the people that are going to die are going to die. So what is the point in killing the economy too.
Someone speaks sense"
See beyond economics, the economy will recover. Yes some businesses will go bust but others will soon take their place . Supply and demand and all that |
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"There is no cure or will never will be do I think hence the 4 week thingy xx
Thank you for clarifying. I assumed everyone understood such a simple concept but it seemed not everyone?
I must admit the support we have had amongst the public is amazing but after 5 successive 12 hour shifts I find it difficult seeing ridiculous comments from pen pushing business types who do not understand. Thank you David for clarifying for them xx
Ridiculous. My entire point from the start has been that there is no cure so this disease will be one of many we manage and live with. And as for the pen pushing business type accusation... you couldn’t be further from the truth...I coukd spout off about what I actually do, the hours and locations I’m working and the impact not just on me but my loved ones also.... but I’m not getting on a moral high horse. I’ve made a logical point that you agree with... but only in 4 weeks time. I can’t keep repeating that accepting that doesn’t remove anyone’s compassion... it’s just a reality you can accept or not.
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I think the doom mongers are back. I wonder if it's the same anti Brexit crowd that were saying how disastrous it is for the UK are now saying "the economy will never recover".
It simply will recover in time!
Dont Panic Don't Panic lol |
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It simply will recover in time!
Dont Panic Don't Panic lol "
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Back home it's the same tho hun It's the same world wide people cannot see beyond their individual life or livelihood and politics also only plan to the next election .
Businesses will go because of cash flow and new ones will take their place just economics |
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"Back home it's the same tho hun It's the same world wide people cannot see beyond their individual life or livelihood and politics also only plan to the next election .
Businesses will go because of cash flow and new ones will take their place just economics "
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"I think the doom mongers are back. I wonder if it's the same anti Brexit crowd that were saying how disastrous it is for the UK are now saying "the economy will never recover".
It simply will recover in time!
Dont Panic Don't Panic lol "
Literally everyone has said the economy will suffer post Brexit including The ex chancellor. |
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