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over a year ago
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It's basically a war the way I see it, except the enemy is viral.
I'm guessing they're using the same kinda emergency measures as if we had germ warfare air dropped in during high winds.
Dunno where it'll hit, but we'll do what we can when we know.
Trying to keep a country moving yet protecting the people at the same time has to be a brutal job. I'm glad I ain't gotta do it.
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"It's basically a war the way I see it, except the enemy is viral.
I'm guessing they're using the same kinda emergency measures as if we had germ warfare air dropped in during high winds.
Dunno where it'll hit, but we'll do what we can when we know.
Trying to keep a country moving yet protecting the people at the same time has to be a brutal job. I'm glad I ain't gotta do it.
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
This is how a government should react in these unprecedented times.
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"It's basically a war the way I see it, except the enemy is viral.
I'm guessing they're using the same kinda emergency measures as if we had germ warfare air dropped in during high winds.
Dunno where it'll hit, but we'll do what we can when we know.
Trying to keep a country moving yet protecting the people at the same time has to be a brutal job. I'm glad I ain't gotta do it.
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Me too "
Must be awful for them but my guess is there gearing up in the background to quarantine us all and at the same time keep us safe and also have everything in place for when the shit hits the fan |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do think this is a super virus and yep it will have the ability to wipe out the vulnerable.
It’s the length of time that’s going to be the struggle for most people! Not sure 3 month shut downs will be really necessary! If people can limit travel then hopefully only pockets of this virus might develop rather than it rip roaring through most of society! Who knows really! |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
never trust a torie |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!never trust a torie"
So who are you going to trust to deal with the current situation ? |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!never trust a torie"
Oh do give it a rest! Every single thread! Would it be any different who was dealing with this at the moment! Would anyone be prepared.
And in answer to the question, of course, there’ll be so much we don’t know! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!never trust a torie"
An awful lot of long time Labour recently disagreed with you..
That said, regardless of party, there is always something that Government are not telling you. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Yes definitely... no one chucks in 330 billion and only a few people have died. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me"
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me"
You think that's not true ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work for a 999 service and would have been made aware if this is worse than it was, it's as been reported so no need for conspiracy theory's, helps no one. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summed up the gravity of the situation for me"
Could you imagine if it was Jeremy Corbyn and Dianne Abbot? Then I would be shitting bricks, the fact we are taking governance from science and the likes gives me hope!
Nobody knows where this disease is heading, so all we can do is follow guidelines, we are lucky in a way that we are a small island in contrast to others across the EU, but given the factor that there is an incubation period of up to 7 days to show signs, I really can't think how it could have been treated differently than it already has. |
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"If Corbyn and Abbot where in charge of sorting this out, we would all be in Hyde Park holding candles and singing cum bay ah my lord. "
Amen to that! No matter what anyone thinks of Boris at least he gets on with something rather than dippy Theresa May & it's a bloody good job Corbyn isn't in charge of this lot cos he can't make any form of decision to save himself, let alone the population. I can't vote in the uk but I know who I'd rather have in charge any day. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
I think they haven't really let on how bad it could get, for fear of the panic it would cause. Unfortunately some people need to be shocked into acting responsibly. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Possibly but personally I think it's unlikely considering we can get news from other countries and the WHO. I do imagine there is a time delay in uptodate news reaching us though. |
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Italy has given us the first true picture if what can happen. We didn't hear a great deal from China or Iran cos they are such closed societies. The panic only began when we had reliable info on how many people could be affected & by that time we had our own cases in Britain. You wanna see a mess take place, watch the USA in a few weeks cos they are in huge trouble thanks to Trump. |
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"Italy has given us the first true picture if what can happen. We didn't hear a great deal from China or Iran cos they are such closed societies. The panic only began when we had reliable info on how many people could be affected & by that time we had our own cases in Britain. You wanna see a mess take place, watch the USA in a few weeks cos they are in huge trouble thanks to Trump. "
I am not watching the news
What exactly has happened in Italy? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My theory for what its worth (well we all have one)
The whole world has been gaslit/gaslighted... over a new terrible monster disease, that is essentially a flu (yes it is!) that no bugger predicted or got a vaccine out in time for. They didnt want to look foolish so told us its new and unprecendented. Created an utter panic in the people as is the ability of the chinese whispers aspect of social media. Shit themselves when they relaise everyone has gone crazy. What do we do with crazy people/ things? Lock em up until they all calm down and start singing from balconies neatly contained, instead of brawling in supermarkets. Let everyone know the Government will sort it dont worry, and hey dont worry about losing your job/business we will let you have a loan later, we found a few billion from somewhere luckily. Interest rate might be a bit high on repayments, soz about that.
Oh, school teachers/nurses/doctors supermarket staff you dont count though. Stay safe everyone, wash those hands.  |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Easy way to find out.
Is there any countries that have not been effected?
If there is one that's completely clear and not reported a single case then chances are that's where it came from. |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
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The government is pouring money into this in exactly the same way every other european government has, fuck even the same way trump has for a reason. This virus has the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country and destroy our economy.
Not just old people, people with underlying conditions, smokers, doctors, nurses. All dead, massive graves like iran. Doctors deciding who to try to save, who to let die. We literally do not know what things will be like in 4 months time because no country is 4 months ahead in the timeline.
Businesses closed, people made homeless if the government doesn't step in.
These are the potential outcomes if action isn't taken now. Are people so fucking stupid as to think that being British is so superior that what's happening in Italy isn't going to happen here in a couple of weeks??? Its not just singing on balconies and having to queue to get into a shop, actually read the news reports not just what's on facebook. |
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"The government is pouring money into this in exactly the same way every other european government has, fuck even the same way trump has for a reason. This virus has the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country and destroy our economy.
Not just old people, people with underlying conditions, smokers, doctors, nurses. All dead, massive graves like iran. Doctors deciding who to try to save, who to let die. We literally do not know what things will be like in 4 months time because no country is 4 months ahead in the timeline.
Businesses closed, people made homeless if the government doesn't step in.
These are the potential outcomes if action isn't taken now. Are people so fucking stupid as to think that being British is so superior that what's happening in Italy isn't going to happen here in a couple of weeks??? Its not just singing on balconies and having to queue to get into a shop, actually read the news reports not just what's on facebook."
Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ? |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"The government is pouring money into this in exactly the same way every other european government has, fuck even the same way trump has for a reason. This virus has the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country and destroy our economy.
Not just old people, people with underlying conditions, smokers, doctors, nurses. All dead, massive graves like iran. Doctors deciding who to try to save, who to let die. We literally do not know what things will be like in 4 months time because no country is 4 months ahead in the timeline.
Businesses closed, people made homeless if the government doesn't step in.
These are the potential outcomes if action isn't taken now. Are people so fucking stupid as to think that being British is so superior that what's happening in Italy isn't going to happen here in a couple of weeks??? Its not just singing on balconies and having to queue to get into a shop, actually read the news reports not just what's on facebook.
Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ?"
One italian local daily newspaper went from one and a half pages of obituaries at the start of February to 10 pages at the start of March. Doctors, with no underlying medical conditions, in the 40s are dying. The hospitals (better funded and with more ICU beds per 100,000 than the UK) can't cope. You don't need to be a paranoid pessimist to think that it's going to get bad.
If that tousled-haired cockwomble is on the tv each night taking it seriously, I think the public should too. And not buying toilet paper by the van-load - social distancing, as much as possible. That's what will tank the economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The government is pouring money into this in exactly the same way every other european government has, fuck even the same way trump has for a reason. This virus has the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country and destroy our economy.
Not just old people, people with underlying conditions, smokers, doctors, nurses. All dead, massive graves like iran. Doctors deciding who to try to save, who to let die. We literally do not know what things will be like in 4 months time because no country is 4 months ahead in the timeline.
Businesses closed, people made homeless if the government doesn't step in.
These are the potential outcomes if action isn't taken now. Are people so fucking stupid as to think that being British is so superior that what's happening in Italy isn't going to happen here in a couple of weeks??? Its not just singing on balconies and having to queue to get into a shop, actually read the news reports not just what's on facebook.
Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ?
One italian local daily newspaper went from one and a half pages of obituaries at the start of February to 10 pages at the start of March. Doctors, with no underlying medical conditions, in the 40s are dying. The hospitals (better funded and with more ICU beds per 100,000 than the UK) can't cope. You don't need to be a paranoid pessimist to think that it's going to get bad.
If that tousled-haired cockwomble is on the tv each night taking it seriously, I think the public should too. And not buying toilet paper by the van-load - social distancing, as much as possible. That's what will tank the economy."
I hear China has closed all its new hospitals as there is now no new cases to fill them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many. |
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Think Melbourne scientists in Australia have made breakthrough today. See below.
Melbourne scientists make major coronavirus breakthrough
Grant McArthur, Herald Sun
March 17, 2020 4:01am
Melbourne scientists have discovered how the human body overcomes coronavirus in a global breakthrough hoped to fast-track treatments, vaccines and even identify those at risk of dying.
The Doherty Institute researchers have also shown that healthy people can expect to fight off mild to moderate COVID-19 cases in three days.
For the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer.
In further good news, lead researcher Professor Katherine Kedzierska said the antibodies released by the human immune system to overcome coronavirus are very similar to those it uses to combat influenza — despite it never having being exposed to the disease.
Professor Katherine Kedzierska and Dr Carolien Van de Sandt with blood samples kept on ice at the Doherty Institute. Picture: David Caird
Professor Katherine Kedzierska and Dr Carolien Van de Sandt with blood samples kept on ice at the Doherty Institute. Picture: David Caird
“It suggests to us that we can fight the virus and we can drive recovery from COVID-19,” Prof Kedzierska said. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many. "
Was SARS and Mers not classed as a pandemic?
Or swine and bird flu etc |
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"The government is pouring money into this in exactly the same way every other european government has, fuck even the same way trump has for a reason. This virus has
the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country and destroy our economy.
Not just old people, people with underlying conditions, smokers, doctors, nurses. All dead, massive graves like iran. Doctors deciding who to try to save, who to let die. We literally do not know what things will be like in 4 months time because no country is 4 months ahead in the timeline.
Businesses closed, people made homeless if the government doesn't step in.
These are the potential outcomes if action isn't taken now. Are people so fucking stupid as to think that being British is so superior that what's happening in Italy isn't going to happen here in a couple of weeks??? Its not just singing on balconies and having to queue to get into a shop, actually read the news reports not just what's on facebook.
Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ?
One italian local daily newspaper went from one and a half pages of obituaries at the start of February to 10 pages at the start of March. Doctors, with no underlying medical conditions, in the 40s are dying. The hospitals (better funded and with more ICU beds per 100,000 than the UK) can't cope. You don't need to be a paranoid pessimist to think that it's going to get bad.
If that tousled-haired cockwomble is on the tv each night taking it seriously, I think the public should too. And not buying toilet paper by the van-load - social distancing, as much as possible. That's what will tank the economy.
I hear China has closed all its new hospitals as there is now no new cases to fill them. "
That's good news. Some light at the end of the tunnel |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders."
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible |
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"Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ?"
According to this site (which I hope I'm allowed to link to):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
around 28,000 confirmed cases and over 2,000 dead.
So far - the number of cases has stopped growing exponentially but still a few thousand every day.
It's also to be expected that the number of cases is under reported in most places because not everyone with the virus gets tested. In the UK, for example, experts suggest that there are approximately 50,000 infected people, rather than the 2,000 who have tested positive. Or at least that was the guestimate yesterday - one would expect it to be higher today (about 1,000 per reported death, according to the modelling and I see we;ve gone up to about 70 deaths). On the one hand that could be seen as a big minus since it means there are more people out there spreading the virus than the numbers suggest. On the other hand one might see it as a plus because it would mean that the death rate is very much lower than the simple deaths divided by confirmed cases number.
South Korea might be an exception to that rule because they're testing on a truly massive scale (last time I read they were doing around 10,000 tests every day). I'm stretching my memory on this last point but I believe the UK capacity is around 1,000 per day. |
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"Think Melbourne scientists in Australia have made breakthrough today. See below.
Melbourne scientists make major coronavirus breakthrough
Grant McArthur, Herald Sun
March 17, 2020 4:01am
Melbourne scientists have discovered how the human body overcomes coronavirus in a global breakthrough hoped to fast-track treatments, vaccines and even identify those at risk of dying.
The Doherty Institute researchers have also shown that healthy people can expect to fight off mild to moderate COVID-19 cases in three days.
For the first time the Doherty team has been able to map in detail the way a patient’s immune system responded to COVID-19, revealing the weapons it used to overcome the new killer.
In further good news, lead researcher Professor Katherine Kedzierska said the antibodies released by the human immune system to overcome coronavirus are very similar to those it uses to combat influenza — despite it never having being exposed to the disease.
Professor Katherine Kedzierska and Dr Carolien Van de Sandt with blood samples kept on ice at the Doherty Institute. Picture: David Caird
Professor Katherine Kedzierska and Dr Carolien Van de Sandt with blood samples kept on ice at the Doherty Institute. Picture: David Caird
“It suggests to us that we can fight the virus and we can drive recovery from COVID-19,” Prof Kedzierska said."
That's also great new |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible "
Yeah but Tom if you want people to respond positively to you try and
e less up yoirself |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
Yeah but Tom if you want people to respond positively to you try and
e less up yoirself"
Yes Milady |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
Yeah but Tom if you want people to respond positively to you try and
e less up yoirself
Yes Milady"
Good lad |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many.
Was SARS and Mers not classed as a pandemic?
Or swine and bird flu etc"
My mistake. I believe h1n1 was classed as a pandemic. Didn't quite get the same reaction... I don't know the reasons why. I'm not a scientist but I still think there doesn't need to be anything more sinister to it to get the reaction there has been from worldwide governments. |
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By *ldguyMan
over a year ago
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Well they are trying to get us prepared for something what that is I have no idea but I fear the worse  |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many.
Was SARS and Mers not classed as a pandemic?
Or swine and bird flu etc
My mistake. I believe h1n1 was classed as a pandemic. Didn't quite get the same reaction... I don't know the reasons why. I'm not a scientist but I still think there doesn't need to be anything more sinister to it to get the reaction there has been from worldwide governments. "
My take on the WHO announcing a pandemic and the pathetic debate whether it was a pandemic or not beforehand was pointless.. Thousands are infected and I don't give s monkeys what its title is.. it's bloomin serious..
Did you know that the storm of 87 was technically not a hurricane .. that was the BBC weather forecasters reaction to being caught out.. who cares.. it blew down a shit load of trees.. but that's ok.. it was not a hurricane..
My point?.. Terminology is pointless.. it's fucking serious |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible "
No, you didn't say the same a few weeks ago at all - you were running round like the proverbial headless chicken claiming the sky was going to fall in, without backing it up with any kind of rationale - just as you previously claimed London was a war zone and refugees crossing the channel should be left to drown and *THAT* is why what you were saying was questioned.
The fact that *some* of what you claimed has come to pass is coincidental and more the result of an ever evolving and changing situation, than any kind of logical or reasoned warnings from you, and certainly not proof you were right.
Many people, me included, said at the time that whilst the situation was concerning, that there was no need to panic just yet and that the best way to deal with it was to follow the news as it evolved and make changes accordingly but if you choose to see that as being pilloried then so be it. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many.
Was SARS and Mers not classed as a pandemic?
Or swine and bird flu etc
My mistake. I believe h1n1 was classed as a pandemic. Didn't quite get the same reaction... I don't know the reasons why. I'm not a scientist but I still think there doesn't need to be anything more sinister to it to get the reaction there has been from worldwide governments.
My take on the WHO announcing a pandemic and the pathetic debate whether it was a pandemic or not beforehand was pointless.. Thousands are infected and I don't give s monkeys what its title is.. it's bloomin serious..
Did you know that the storm of 87 was technically not a hurricane .. that was the BBC weather forecasters reaction to being caught out.. who cares.. it blew down a shit load of trees.. but that's ok.. it was not a hurricane..
My point?.. Terminology is pointless.. it's fucking serious "
You do know that the definition of a pandemic is a disease spread over multiple continents/ the world? It doesn't matter what the severity of it is. You know that right?? |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
No, you didn't say the same a few weeks ago at all - you were running round like the proverbial headless chicken claiming the sky was going to fall in, without backing it up with any kind of rationale - just as you previously claimed London was a war zone and refugees crossing the channel should be left to drown and *THAT* is why what you were saying was questioned.
The fact that *some* of what you claimed has come to pass is coincidental and more the result of an ever evolving and changing situation, than any kind of logical or reasoned warnings from you, and certainly not proof you were right.
Many people, me included, said at the time that whilst the situation was concerning, that there was no need to panic just yet and that the best way to deal with it was to follow the news as it evolved and make changes accordingly but if you choose to see that as being pilloried then so be it."
Not you again.
It's like you keep files on me.. I remember Jose Mourinho calling Wenger a voyeur.. you are obsessed with me.. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I've never experienced a pandemic in my lifetime so I guess it would be unprecedented to many.
Was SARS and Mers not classed as a pandemic?
Or swine and bird flu etc
My mistake. I believe h1n1 was classed as a pandemic. Didn't quite get the same reaction... I don't know the reasons why. I'm not a scientist but I still think there doesn't need to be anything more sinister to it to get the reaction there has been from worldwide governments.
My take on the WHO announcing a pandemic and the pathetic debate whether it was a pandemic or not beforehand was pointless.. Thousands are infected and I don't give s monkeys what its title is.. it's bloomin serious..
Did you know that the storm of 87 was technically not a hurricane .. that was the BBC weather forecasters reaction to being caught out.. who cares.. it blew down a shit load of trees.. but that's ok.. it was not a hurricane..
My point?.. Terminology is pointless.. it's fucking serious
You do know that the definition of a pandemic is a disease spread over multiple continents/ the world? It doesn't matter what the severity of it is. You know that right??"
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
I don't think there necessarily needs to be more than the governments are saying to justify the action. The now published modelling by epidemiologists (and not just the government's pet ones) suggests that, if we do nothing, then this virus will infect about 70-80% of people. A large number of them all at the same time, overwhelming the health service and killing somewhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people - and that's just the UK numbers. The current actions have a target of keeping the number of deaths down to 20,000. That's considered the win. So they're taking this action to save somewhere between 230,000 and 480,000 lives. At least if all the assumptions and the modelling are correct.
Somebody somewhere along the line has to make the call on whether a few hundred thousand lives are worth the huge economic damage. I think I'd probably make the same call: save the lives and try to fix up the economy later. At any rate, I consider the *publicly available* knowledge to be enough motivation to react in that way, so no need to imagine secrets. That's not the same as saying there aren't any though. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me"
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
No, you didn't say the same a few weeks ago at all - you were running round like the proverbial headless chicken claiming the sky was going to fall in, without backing it up with any kind of rationale - just as you previously claimed London was a war zone and refugees crossing the channel should be left to drown and *THAT* is why what you were saying was questioned.
The fact that *some* of what you claimed has come to pass is coincidental and more the result of an ever evolving and changing situation, than any kind of logical or reasoned warnings from you, and certainly not proof you were right.
Many people, me included, said at the time that whilst the situation was concerning, that there was no need to panic just yet and that the best way to deal with it was to follow the news as it evolved and make changes accordingly but if you choose to see that as being pilloried then so be it.
Not you again.
It's like you keep files on me.. I remember Jose Mourinho calling Wenger a voyeur.. you are obsessed with me.. "
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By *ldguyMan
over a year ago
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
The problem with experts and government advice is that in reality it is mostly BS and has very little to do with our protection and more to do with keeping the system running. Those of us who are old enough may remember the "Protect and Survive" advice during the cold war era when they tried to kid us that we could survive a Thermo nuclear war by putting a few doors against the strongest wall in our houses and covering it with a sheet of plastic while they disappeared underground in their self contained nuclear bunkers. |
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
No, you didn't say the same a few weeks ago at all - you were running round like the proverbial headless chicken claiming the sky was going to fall in, without backing it up with any kind of rationale - just as you previously claimed London was a war zone and refugees crossing the channel should be left to drown and *THAT* is why what you were saying was questioned.
The fact that *some* of what you claimed has come to pass is coincidental and more the result of an ever evolving and changing situation, than any kind of logical or reasoned warnings from you, and certainly not proof you were right.
Many people, me included, said at the time that whilst the situation was concerning, that there was no need to panic just YET and that the best way to deal with it was to follow the news as it evolved and make changes accordingly but if you choose to see that as being pilloried then so be it."
Pointless panicking at any time. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"I'm not trying to be a scaremonger - merely pointing out that this has the *potential* to be really fucking bad, and this UK government isn't exactly blessed with leaders.
I said the same a few weeks back and have been pilloried for it.. if the Government had stopped all international travel a couple of months back then they would of been slaughtered. Don't think they can win either way.. the abuse I have taken has been incredible
No, you didn't say the same a few weeks ago at all - you were running round like the proverbial headless chicken claiming the sky was going to fall in, without backing it up with any kind of rationale - just as you previously claimed London was a war zone and refugees crossing the channel should be left to drown and *THAT* is why what you were saying was questioned.
The fact that *some* of what you claimed has come to pass is coincidental and more the result of an ever evolving and changing situation, than any kind of logical or reasoned warnings from you, and certainly not proof you were right.
Many people, me included, said at the time that whilst the situation was concerning, that there was no need to panic just YET and that the best way to deal with it was to follow the news as it evolved and make changes accordingly but if you choose to see that as being pilloried then so be it.
Pointless panicking at any time. "
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump."
It's about slowing down the transmission rate. We can't all hide and hope it blows over. Nor can the govt afford our economy to go down the pan.
The govt and advisers know many people will choose not to follow the advice so putting the country on lock down is being kept back to when they think the time is appropriate. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Where they are hiding the secret stash of bog rolls.
They are not telling us it's been here longer than we're being told.
For business reasons, the election and Brexit it was treated as lo priority.
March 2019 China medical professionals published a paper on a viralant air born corona virus carried by bats.
These bats would have contact with humans via various sources. Food chain, tourists visiting bat caves, poopin on someone, whatever. Once the contagion reaches humans it's off and running.
Tourists, illegal migrants, business travelers all help spread it. Hell even the jetstream wizzed it around the world. All circumstantial. Too late to sort. Waste of time blaming anyone.
How we prep and cope will be the real test now.
Mutation and reoccurance are major factors to keep in mind. I'm sure the proffesionals have got that on the radar.
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
Judging by how worried boris looks. I think we'll be in lockdown by the weekend |
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I find the reaction to what is essentially a super contagious flu bizzare. 80% of the population catching it sounds bad but very few of those will be badly affected. Death rate is low compared to some viruses.
If some evil supervillian was creating a bioweapon something that kills so few would not be it.
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"I do think this is a super virus and yep it will have the ability to wipe out the vulnerable.
It’s the length of time that’s going to be the struggle for most people! Not sure 3 month shut downs will be really necessary! If people can limit travel then hopefully only pockets of this virus might develop rather than it rip roaring through most of society! Who knows really! "
it's a bit late to limit travel. up to last weekend there was football matches, concerts, pdc darts Cheltenham and all had large crowds exactly the environment that the virus needs to spread. you need to lock down if you want to beat this virus |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump.
It's about slowing down the transmission rate. We can't all hide and hope it blows over. Nor can the govt afford our economy to go down the pan.
The govt and advisers know many people will choose not to follow the advice so putting the country on lock down is being kept back to when they think the time is appropriate. "
the appropriate time is gone |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump.
It's about slowing down the transmission rate. We can't all hide and hope it blows over. Nor can the govt afford our economy to go down the pan.
The govt and advisers know many people will choose not to follow the advice so putting the country on lock down is being kept back to when they think the time is appropriate.
the appropriate time is gone"
No it's not. |
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"I find the reaction to what is essentially a super contagious flu bizzare. 80% of the population catching it sounds bad but very few of those will be badly affected. Death rate is low compared to some viruses.
If some evil supervillian was creating a bioweapon something that kills so few would not be it.
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if it's so bizarre then tell me how many do you think will die in britain |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump.
It's about slowing down the transmission rate. We can't all hide and hope it blows over. Nor can the govt afford our economy to go down the pan.
The govt and advisers know many people will choose not to follow the advice so putting the country on lock down is being kept back to when they think the time is appropriate.
the appropriate time is gone
No it's not. "
because britain is still allowing large crowds to mix the virus will spread like wild fire and by the end of march you are going to see a huge rise in the number of people infected |
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if it's so bizarre then tell me how many do you think will die in britain"
Well...assuming population is 65 million, government estimate of 80% catching it and approximate mortality rate of 3% (although that's a bit of a stab in the dark)...somewhere around a million people. Yearly UK deaths are usually around 600,000. Many of that million would be in the 600,000 anyway.
This is why I'm conflicted about the virus. Obviously I don't want to lose people I care about but pandemics do make the population as a whole stronger so I feel selfish for not spreading it....not that it's reached here yet.
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if it's so bizarre then tell me how many do you think will die in britain
Well...assuming population is 65 million, government estimate of 80% catching it and approximate mortality rate of 3% (although that's a bit of a stab in the dark)...somewhere around a million people. Yearly UK deaths are usually around 600,000. Many of that million would be in the 600,000 anyway.
This is why I'm conflicted about the virus. Obviously I don't want to lose people I care about but pandemics do make the population as a whole stronger so I feel selfish for not spreading it....not that it's reached here yet.
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and so you should feel selfish. |
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over a year ago
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if it's so bizarre then tell me how many do you think will die in britain
Well...assuming population is 65 million, government estimate of 80% catching it and approximate mortality rate of 3% (although that's a bit of a stab in the dark)...somewhere around a million people. Yearly UK deaths are usually around 600,000. Many of that million would be in the 600,000 anyway.
This is why I'm conflicted about the virus. Obviously I don't want to lose people I care about but pandemics do make the population as a whole stronger so I feel selfish for not spreading it....not that it's reached here yet.
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You realise there's as good a chance you'll catch and die from it as that 3% you talk off?
The shite posted about this virus on fab is off the charts these days |
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and so you should feel selfish.
You think I should do the altruistic thing and try and catch and spread it?"
I think you should hibernate because the way bj is doing things a lot of people will die because the system won't be able to cope with amount of people that will need treatment. |
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You realise there's as good a chance you'll catch and die from it as that 3% you talk off?
The shite posted about this virus on fab is off the charts these days "
Yup. I know I could be in that 3%.
Hence the conflict. What's right for me or what's right for humanity. |
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I think you should hibernate because the way bj is doing things a lot of people will die because the system won't be able to cope with amount of people that will need treatment. "
That's the point of a pandemic
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I think you should hibernate because the way bj is doing things a lot of people will die because the system won't be able to cope with amount of people that will need treatment.
That's the point of a pandemic
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of course people will die but it doesn't have to be as many if it's tackled in a different way |
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"I do think this is a super virus and yep it will have the ability to wipe out the vulnerable.
It’s the length of time that’s going to be the struggle for most people! Not sure 3 month shut downs will be really necessary! If people can limit travel then hopefully only pockets of this virus might develop rather than it rip roaring through most of society! Who knows really!
it's a bit late to limit travel. up to last weekend there was football matches, concerts, pdc darts Cheltenham and all had large crowds exactly the environment that the virus needs to spread. you need to lock down if you want to beat this virus"
Erm as per usual isn’t it all a bit late! Well next time there is a dangerous virus lurking they won’t allow any travel! I do think though this whip through us pretty quickly. It’s not as dangerous as mers and in the 50s a flu like virus took a million lives . |
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Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
What they are not telling everyone is the blatantly obvious. It is the conundrum that the Chinese now find themselves in, they have contained the outbreak to a small percentage of the population. Fine and good until they start thinking about lifting the restrictions that have contained it in the first place. All it will take for it to come back from being 'contained' is reinfection as a result of lifting those restrictions and we are back to a pandemic. Is there going to be prolonged 'containment'?
A vaccine which is apparently, according to an article on the BBC, possibly eighteen months away is obviously a longer term solution. Is having borders closed and economic shutdown viable over that sort of time period?
The only solution that will work economically or socially is staggered mass infection to build up a herd immunity. Allowing the NHS to be able to cope with the fall out.
The trouble is telling everyone that would cause panic and get the bog roll junkies rioting in the streets, throwing dried pasta at each other.
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over a year ago
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if it's so bizarre then tell me how many do you think will die in britain
Well...assuming population is 65 million, government estimate of 80% catching it and approximate mortality rate of 3% (although that's a bit of a stab in the dark)...somewhere around a million people. Yearly UK deaths are usually around 600,000. Many of that million would be in the 600,000 anyway.
This is why I'm conflicted about the virus. Obviously I don't want to lose people I care about but pandemics do make the population as a whole stronger so I feel selfish for not spreading it....not that it's reached here yet.
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I usually disagree with your views anyway. So you think only of survival of the fittest and it should just be spread about without thought? What a strange and selfish view. |
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They restricted the information used in their decision making, like last weeks herd immunity priority, so there's truth that they aren't informing us of everything. The unspoken part was also the putting of the economy on a higher footing than you'd probably have been expecting.
If no one infected passes it on to someone else, the infection dies out. Total isolation of everyone achieves that. The further they move away from doing this, the more they have agreed to let the epidemic take over.
What are the minimal essential gatherings of people? Government, though remote communications are possible. Energy and communications infrastructure - though some reductions could be made. Hospitals and health services, including some remote communication options. Military infrastructure, alongside core police and other emergency services.
If the public were isolated, the rest of the personnel operating these essential services would need to be ring fenced and controlled in a different way - they'd need regular testing and subsequent ejection if and when infected. Obviously all citizens would need food, so the emergency group would need control of this and distribution.
I'm guessing that they could establish such a setup in a month or so.
It won't be likely to be done but the closer they'd get to this, the quicker it would cease as a disease here, being passed on from person to person. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
No, I don't. The reaction of various governments tells us all we need to know. Boris Johnson the arch buffoon saying "many of us will lose loved ones before their time" pretty much summer up the gravity of the situation for me
Look at other countries, most of them have had less deaths, then the country is on lock down.
Spain is fining people £3000, for none essential travel.
The UK, no social gathering, stay 3 feet away from people.
The is a world class idiot, not sure who is worse him or trump.
It's about slowing down the transmission rate. We can't all hide and hope it blows over. Nor can the govt afford our economy to go down the pan.
The govt and advisers know many people will choose not to follow the advice so putting the country on lock down is being kept back to when they think the time is appropriate.
the appropriate time is gone
No it's not.
because britain is still allowing large crowds to mix the virus will spread like wild fire and by the end of march you are going to see a huge rise in the number of people infected "
All large gatherings are announcing cancellations.
Yes, we will see a rise in numbers due to it being almost doubly contagious to the likes of flu. But it's not about stopping it in it's tracks as it's here to stay, it's about controlling the fallout. |
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and so you should feel selfish.
You think I should do the altruistic thing and try and catch and spread it?
I think you should hibernate because the way bj is doing things a lot of people will die because the system won't be able to cope with amount of people that will need treatment. "
That's why certain measures are in place with more measures (the lock down) to come.
You want to hibernate? Go for it. |
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"I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
I have never seen goverments react this way. It really is unprecedented.
Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!
What they are not telling everyone is the blatantly obvious. It is the conundrum that the Chinese now find themselves in, they have contained the outbreak to a small percentage of the population. Fine and good until they start thinking about lifting the restrictions that have contained it in the first place. All it will take for it to come back from being 'contained' is reinfection as a result of lifting those restrictions and we are back to a pandemic. Is there going to be prolonged 'containment'?
A vaccine which is apparently, according to an article on the BBC, possibly eighteen months away is obviously a longer term solution. Is having borders closed and economic shutdown viable over that sort of time period?
The only solution that will work economically or socially is staggered mass infection to build up a herd immunity. Allowing the NHS to be able to cope with the fall out.
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Yay, someone else who can see it. It's what we've been told and is all so very logical. |
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I usually disagree with your views anyway. So you think only of survival of the fittest and it should just be spread about without thought? What a strange and selfish view. "
Survival of the fittest isn't selfish. It's about strengthening the human population, prioritising the mass over the individual. |
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"They restricted the information used in their decision making, like last weeks herd immunity priority, so there's truth that they aren't informing us of everything. The unspoken part was also the putting of the economy on a higher footing than you'd probably have been expecting.
If no one infected passes it on to someone else, the infection dies out. Total isolation of everyone achieves that. The further they move away from doing this, the more they have agreed to let the epidemic take over.
What are the minimal essential gatherings of people? Government, though remote communications are possible. Energy and communications infrastructure - though some reductions could be made. Hospitals and health services, including some remote communication options. Military infrastructure, alongside core police and other emergency services.
If the public were isolated, the rest of the personnel operating these essential services would need to be ring fenced and controlled in a different way - they'd need regular testing and subsequent ejection if and when infected. Obviously all citizens would need food, so the emergency group would need control of this and distribution.
I'm guessing that they could establish such a setup in a month or so.
It won't be likely to be done but the closer they'd get to this, the quicker it would cease as a disease here, being passed on from person to person. "
This disease is here to stay. Even worldwide lock down won't stop it. In subsequent years it'll become part of flu numbers simply due to similarities of symptoms. Just hold on for the ride of your lifetime. We'll either come out the other side or not. |
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Do you think that there is more that they are not telling us?!"
No. I think what they are telling us is that a potentially damaging and scary thing is happening right now. Why could possibly be ‘more’? |
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I usually disagree with your views anyway. So you think only of survival of the fittest and it should just be spread about without thought? What a strange and selfish view.
Survival of the fittest isn't selfish. It's about strengthening the human population, prioritising the mass over the individual."
Not sure I agree with that.
Surely taken to its logical conclusion is what resulted in nazi Germany? |
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One day Covid 19 will be no more inconvenient than flu which is still a danger to at risk groups. A vaccine will come in time.
This will pass. Wash your hands practice social distancing look out for the vulnerable.
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over a year ago
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"Fucking hell seriously ? What have I missed how many have died in Italy then ?
According to this site (which I hope I'm allowed to link to):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
around 28,000 confirmed cases and over 2,000 dead.
So far - the number of cases has stopped growing exponentially but still a few thousand every day.
It's also to be expected that the number of cases is under reported in most places because not everyone with the virus gets tested. In the UK, for example, experts suggest that there are approximately 50,000 infected people, rather than the 2,000 who have tested positive. Or at least that was the guestimate yesterday - one would expect it to be higher today (about 1,000 per reported death, according to the modelling and I see we;ve gone up to about 70 deaths). On the one hand that could be seen as a big minus since it means there are more people out there spreading the virus than the numbers suggest. On the other hand one might see it as a plus because it would mean that the death rate is very much lower than the simple deaths divided by confirmed cases number.
South Korea might be an exception to that rule because they're testing on a truly massive scale (last time I read they were doing around 10,000 tests every day). I'm stretching my memory on this last point but I believe the UK capacity is around 1,000 per day."
You have obviously found Worldmeters, they quote a total mumber of cases as just over 204000 with 8270 dead, the BBC have gleefully picked up those figures and displayed them prominately. What they have not displayed is the fact that 82872 people have recovered so the total number of active cases is 113590 of which less than 10% are considered serious/critical. These figures are for Worldwide cases, The UK is positioned at No. 11 in the world with 1950 reported cases. |
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