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By *lusherCouple 7 weeks ago
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" There has been an outbreak over here, a long with bird flu,"they" say the measles from an unvaccinated child"
Cant believe we still get this illness! Saw mumps a few years ago. So easy to prevent but most people who are having kids have not seen it so dont know the seriousness. Antibiotics dont work on it either! |
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" There has been an outbreak over here, a long with bird flu,"they" say the measles from an unvaccinated child
Cant believe we still get this illness! Saw mumps a few years ago. So easy to prevent but most people who are having kids have not seen it so dont know the seriousness. Antibiotics dont work on it either!"
Antibiotics do not work on viruses. |
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It's all these geniuses putting more faith in the words of some money seeking nutbag on X or YouTube rather than listening to trained medical professionals.
Obviously this has gotten worse since COVID but the trend of people not giving their children the required vaccinations started before then but has got much worse since.
Putting your kid's lives in danger in my humble opinion is tantamount to abuse . |
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"It's all these geniuses putting more faith in the words of some money seeking nutbag on X or YouTube rather than listening to trained medical professionals.
Obviously this has gotten worse since COVID but the trend of people not giving their children the required vaccinations started before then but has got much worse since.
Putting your kid's lives in danger in my humble opinion is tantamount to abuse ."
We are the age group who are living proof that vaccinations work and have no long term side effects. It's crazy this anti-vax is a thing (this is covid aside) and carries consequences.
I had encephalitis (not through measles) and live with an extremely reduced brain capacity (for activity). I've lost two thirds. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. |
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"What kind of neurogical complications does measles cause?"
Consequence of encephalitis can be fatal and can occur years after the measles.
If the child/person survives, the neurological effects can be far reaching. You just have to think what the brain enables us to do to think of the damage.
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is"
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere. |
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The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines. |
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere. "
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? |
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"The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines."
Very true. And not really seeing any efforts to improve trust and confidence. Sometimes giving people the right to choose what drugs they put in their bodies is to their detriment. I also wonder what impact mass movement of people's across continents has on the spread of disease. Immigration for one but also even as simple as commercial travel. |
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By *ildbillkid OP Man 2 weeks ago
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere.
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? "
3 deaths ,all children, |
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere.
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? 3 deaths ,all children,"
That's very sad. |
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere.
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? 3 deaths ,all children,"
That's very sad. Is there evidence they were offered a vaccination and chose not to take it due to propaganda?
I note that in the UK the rate of vaccinated children in under 5s has dropped again for 5 years running. Maybe we should address who is making those choices and why? Or perhaps they've never been offered it.? |
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That's very sad. Is there evidence they were offered a vaccination and chose not to take it due to propaganda?
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The outbreak in Texas has been centred on the Mennonite community, who opposed vaccines in general because of their religious beliefs and because of misinformation.
The father of the latest child to needlessly die has been widely reported as saying he doesn't trust the measles vaccine. The US health sec has been less than effusive in his support for vaccines, even going so far as to recommend quack cures this week after attending the funeral.
So sadly, yes, a fair degree of evidence. |
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That's very sad. Is there evidence they were offered a vaccination and chose not to take it due to propaganda?
The outbreak in Texas has been centred on the Mennonite community, who opposed vaccines in general because of their religious beliefs and because of misinformation.
The father of the latest child to needlessly die has been widely reported as saying he doesn't trust the measles vaccine. The US health sec has been less than effusive in his support for vaccines, even going so far as to recommend quack cures this week after attending the funeral.
So sadly, yes, a fair degree of evidence."
Well that's not really evidence about the 3 kids who sadly died. Unless you're saying the kids that died were part of that specific community that don't take vaccines at all. I just think the argument / discussion about vaccines is very divisive and both sides jump to conclusions as it suits the points they wish to make. It would certainly be a good thing for steps to be taken to rebuild the credibility of certain medicines. And if needed to mandate then for All people who come into the country. |
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The children who died were members of the Mennonite community. Hence why we can say with a strong degree of certainty that these children died, unnecessarily, because of misinformation and propaganda spread for religious and pro disease reasons.
There is no discussion about it, vaccines save lives. The MMR vaccine is so effective that countries like the UK and US were able to declare themselves free of measles.
Sadly, thanks to said propaganda that is no longer the case. |
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"The children who died were members of the Mennonite community. Hence why we can say with a strong degree of certainty that these children died, unnecessarily, because of misinformation and propaganda spread for religious and pro disease reasons.
There is no discussion about it, vaccines save lives. The MMR vaccine is so effective that countries like the UK and US were able to declare themselves free of measles.
Sadly, thanks to said propaganda that is no longer the case."
Yeah that is very sad. I personally think the reason under 5s in this country aren't immunised with mmr is more to do with other things than the anti vax messages from some people but I'm sure there will be evidence of who is and who is not having the mmr. I do think it's worth some more constructive input to try and fix it than the clumsy broad brush which is often used. It's all down the the antivaxxers... Some is for sure. But I'm sure there is more to it than that |
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"The children who died were members of the Mennonite community. Hence why we can say with a strong degree of certainty that these children died, unnecessarily, because of misinformation and propaganda spread for religious and pro disease reasons.
There is no discussion about it, vaccines save lives. The MMR vaccine is so effective that countries like the UK and US were able to declare themselves free of measles.
Sadly, thanks to said propaganda that is no longer the case.
Yeah that is very sad. I personally think the reason under 5s in this country aren't immunised with mmr is more to do with other things than the anti vax messages from some people but I'm sure there will be evidence of who is and who is not having the mmr. I do think it's worth some more constructive input to try and fix it than the clumsy broad brush which is often used. It's all down the the antivaxxers... Some is for sure. But I'm sure there is more to it than that "
Unfortunately it is almost certainly down to antivax propaganda spread round social media. People who choose not to have a particular vaccine but believe in the fundamental scientific principle behind vaccines are not anti vaxxers in my eyes. Spreading misinformation is the problem. The MMR misinformation is particularly frustrating as it has been thoroughly debunked after the Andrew Wakefield scandal. That man has a lot to answer for. He has probably caused many deaths and injuries due to his lies and deceit just because he wanted to make money. |
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"The children who died were members of the Mennonite community. Hence why we can say with a strong degree of certainty that these children died, unnecessarily, because of misinformation and propaganda spread for religious and pro disease reasons.
There is no discussion about it, vaccines save lives. The MMR vaccine is so effective that countries like the UK and US were able to declare themselves free of measles.
Sadly, thanks to said propaganda that is no longer the case.
Yeah that is very sad. I personally think the reason under 5s in this country aren't immunised with mmr is more to do with other things than the anti vax messages from some people but I'm sure there will be evidence of who is and who is not having the mmr. I do think it's worth some more constructive input to try and fix it than the clumsy broad brush which is often used. It's all down the the antivaxxers... Some is for sure. But I'm sure there is more to it than that
Unfortunately it is almost certainly down to antivax propaganda spread round social media. People who choose not to have a particular vaccine but believe in the fundamental scientific principle behind vaccines are not anti vaxxers in my eyes. Spreading misinformation is the problem. The MMR misinformation is particularly frustrating as it has been thoroughly debunked after the Andrew Wakefield scandal. That man has a lot to answer for. He has probably caused many deaths and injuries due to his lies and deceit just because he wanted to make money."
Again. Where's the fact based evidence? Its your opinion and that's fine and dandy but could it also be anything to do with people coming from countries who don't have mmr?or have different value systems Or the decline in our society generally? Not saying social media doesn't have a part to play but I don't believe it's the only reason why some people in our country have not had a vaccine. |
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"The children who died were members of the Mennonite community. Hence why we can say with a strong degree of certainty that these children died, unnecessarily, because of misinformation and propaganda spread for religious and pro disease reasons.
There is no discussion about it, vaccines save lives. The MMR vaccine is so effective that countries like the UK and US were able to declare themselves free of measles.
Sadly, thanks to said propaganda that is no longer the case.
Yeah that is very sad. I personally think the reason under 5s in this country aren't immunised with mmr is more to do with other things than the anti vax messages from some people but I'm sure there will be evidence of who is and who is not having the mmr. I do think it's worth some more constructive input to try and fix it than the clumsy broad brush which is often used. It's all down the the antivaxxers... Some is for sure. But I'm sure there is more to it than that
Unfortunately it is almost certainly down to antivax propaganda spread round social media. People who choose not to have a particular vaccine but believe in the fundamental scientific principle behind vaccines are not anti vaxxers in my eyes. Spreading misinformation is the problem. The MMR misinformation is particularly frustrating as it has been thoroughly debunked after the Andrew Wakefield scandal. That man has a lot to answer for. He has probably caused many deaths and injuries due to his lies and deceit just because he wanted to make money.
Again. Where's the fact based evidence? Its your opinion and that's fine and dandy but could it also be anything to do with people coming from countries who don't have mmr?or have different value systems Or the decline in our society generally? Not saying social media doesn't have a part to play but I don't believe it's the only reason why some people in our country have not had a vaccine. "
The Andrew Wakefield scandal, ie the origin of MMR/ autism and the origin of the modern antivax movement, is very much fact he got caught red handed making things up for profit. I can't think of any reason why parents would not vaccinate their children against MMR. Maybe a tiny minority for religious reasons but apart from that can only think of reasons given by antivaxxers. |
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Public Health England became the UK Health Security Agency to lead on health protection and the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, focusing on health improvement.
It will be these depts who need to address the correlation of reduced child immunisations and covid (prior to that the autism- mmr debacle), and immigrants whose children haven't had prior access to those the nhs provide.
No point in apportioning blame just promotion of said vaccines. |
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"I had measles when I was 18.. it is far worse as an adult.. I was in bed for near 2 weeks and my arms and legs swelled up.. Lost my hearing in my right ear. This was over 25 years ago"
Measles is really nasty. One of the most infectious viruses most people are aware of and have been largely protected from in recent decades. The 3 deaths in Texas were avoidable - but for the Andrew Wakefield originated antivax movement  As _ylonslut highlights he's responsible for thousands of children put at grave risk, countries losing their effective herd immunity and a rising number of deaths, where parents didn't vaccinate their kids.
It's a potentially very nasty disease |
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere.
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? 3 deaths ,all children,
That's very sad. Is there evidence they were offered a vaccination and chose not to take it due to propaganda?
I note that in the UK the rate of vaccinated children in under 5s has dropped again for 5 years running. Maybe we should address who is making those choices and why? Or perhaps they've never been offered it.? "
All children in the uk are offered the mmr |
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"500 cases reported in Texas ,it's sad, the world health organization said it was eradicated, and now here it is
It's really sad, as the lives lost were likely needless and due to antivax propaganda's influence.
We know that measles is very highly infectious, with it lingering and surviving for a few hours, once someone has been somewhere.
Some assumptions there. How many died? Is there evidence that they have not been vaccinated and if not they did not vaccinate because of antivax propaganda or is that just your assumption.? 3 deaths ,all children,
That's very sad. Is there evidence they were offered a vaccination and chose not to take it due to propaganda?
I note that in the UK the rate of vaccinated children in under 5s has dropped again for 5 years running. Maybe we should address who is making those choices and why? Or perhaps they've never been offered it.?
All children in the uk are offered the mmr"
If only the antivaxers would stop their influence over parents who've not allowed their children to have the protection from the MMR vaccines! |
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"Public Health England became the UK Health Security Agency to lead on health protection and the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, focusing on health improvement.
It will be these depts who need to address the correlation of reduced child immunisations and covid (prior to that the autism- mmr debacle), and immigrants whose children haven't had prior access to those the nhs provide.
No point in apportioning blame just promotion of said vaccines."
Sensible comment. Although I think it's important to understand better what is happening to reduce the percentage of kids who have been immunised. UK population now 69million....2010 population was 62 million (approx). It's interesting to look at the number of mmr vaccines delivered as opposed to the percentage. In fact the numbers delivered have increased between 2023 and 2024 as a result of the "catch op" activities. source gov website. Attributing the decrease in percentage only to anti vaxxwes whatever that actually even is, will it fix anything. |
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"Public Health England became the UK Health Security Agency to lead on health protection and the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, focusing on health improvement.
It will be these depts who need to address the correlation of reduced child immunisations and covid (prior to that the autism- mmr debacle), and immigrants whose children haven't had prior access to those the nhs provide.
No point in apportioning blame just promotion of said vaccines.
Sensible comment. Although I think it's important to understand better what is happening to reduce the percentage of kids who have been immunised. UK population now 69million....2010 population was 62 million (approx). It's interesting to look at the number of mmr vaccines delivered as opposed to the percentage. In fact the numbers delivered have increased between 2023 and 2024 as a result of the "catch op" activities. source gov website. Attributing the decrease in percentage only to anti vaxxwes whatever that actually even is, will it fix anything. "
IMO addressing the reduced percentage will be educating the public about the various childhood vaccines and consequences of non immunisation. Although with the current state of the nhs, leaflets in GP surgeries are pointless when I guess the footfall into these buildings are reduced due to lack of available appointments (or belief of). |
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It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation. |
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"It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation."
I agree but here we are.
I knew people who'd had polio when I was a kid and I remember asking my mum what was wrong with a woman's face and being told it was smallpox scars. |
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"Public Health England became the UK Health Security Agency to lead on health protection and the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, focusing on health improvement.
It will be these depts who need to address the correlation of reduced child immunisations and covid (prior to that the autism- mmr debacle), and immigrants whose children haven't had prior access to those the nhs provide.
No point in apportioning blame just promotion of said vaccines.
Sensible comment. Although I think it's important to understand better what is happening to reduce the percentage of kids who have been immunised. UK population now 69million....2010 population was 62 million (approx). It's interesting to look at the number of mmr vaccines delivered as opposed to the percentage. In fact the numbers delivered have increased between 2023 and 2024 as a result of the "catch op" activities. source gov website. Attributing the decrease in percentage only to anti vaxxwes whatever that actually even is, will it fix anything.
IMO addressing the reduced percentage will be educating the public about the various childhood vaccines and consequences of non immunisation. Although with the current state of the nhs, leaflets in GP surgeries are pointless when I guess the footfall into these buildings are reduced due to lack of available appointments (or belief of)."
educating the public is definitely one good thing to attempt. Tv adverts maybe? Like the old public information films, green cross code style.. No doubt anti vaxxers have a part to play also, so reducing their platform perhaps, (I just don't believe it's as significant as some others in this thread and there is no evidence to suggest it is, otherwise we'd be a nation of fit healthy folks with all the diet and exercise advise out there in social media land, rather than fat unhealthy population we are) The fact our population has grown so much mostly down to immigration may also have a part to play as the new folks may or not have been vaccinated. Unless I'm wrong and we do know the vax history of all our new guests. Plenty can be done. Understanding what's causing the gap is important. |
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"It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation."
So you'd rather just ignore it and hope it fixes itself?
And there is no evidence that antivaxxers have had any impact at all on uptake of mmr vax. There's a lot of folks making 1 plus 1 equal 3 though. |
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Huh? Where did I say ignore it?
If you think it's not the antivaxxers just have a browse through Facebook forums especially whenever there is an NHS post about vaccinations. It's shocking.
And anti vaxxers aren't just the shadowy conspiracy websites...
It's the middle and upper class educated "wellness gurus" who are the worst in the UK.
Virtually all of them will recommend against vaccination, will explain that a good diet, take the various supplements they push as a replacement for vaccine etc.
Until it effects them personally nothing will change....Measles is something other people get according to them. |
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"It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation.
So you'd rather just ignore it and hope it fixes itself?
And there is no evidence that antivaxxers have had any impact at all on uptake of mmr vax. There's a lot of folks making 1 plus 1 equal 3 though. "
People like Wakefield have had lots of followers who refused to vaccinate their children. The 3 kids in Texas who have died? There is an effect from antivaxers, sprouting from Wakefield there, don't you think? |
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"Public Health England became the UK Health Security Agency to lead on health protection and the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, focusing on health improvement.
It will be these depts who need to address the correlation of reduced child immunisations and covid (prior to that the autism- mmr debacle), and immigrants whose children haven't had prior access to those the nhs provide.
No point in apportioning blame just promotion of said vaccines.
Sensible comment. Although I think it's important to understand better what is happening to reduce the percentage of kids who have been immunised. UK population now 69million....2010 population was 62 million (approx). It's interesting to look at the number of mmr vaccines delivered as opposed to the percentage. In fact the numbers delivered have increased between 2023 and 2024 as a result of the "catch op" activities. source gov website. Attributing the decrease in percentage only to anti vaxxwes whatever that actually even is, will it fix anything.
IMO addressing the reduced percentage will be educating the public about the various childhood vaccines and consequences of non immunisation. Although with the current state of the nhs, leaflets in GP surgeries are pointless when I guess the footfall into these buildings are reduced due to lack of available appointments (or belief of). educating the public is definitely one good thing to attempt. Tv adverts maybe? Like the old public information films, green cross code style.. No doubt anti vaxxers have a part to play also, so reducing their platform perhaps, (I just don't believe it's as significant as some others in this thread and there is no evidence to suggest it is, otherwise we'd be a nation of fit healthy folks with all the diet and exercise advise out there in social media land, rather than fat unhealthy population we are) The fact our population has grown so much mostly down to immigration may also have a part to play as the new folks may or not have been vaccinated. Unless I'm wrong and we do know the vax history of all our new guests. Plenty can be done. Understanding what's causing the gap is important. "
Not if the way we address the issue in the same.
In Peterborough I saw leaflets on tuberculosis on the rise. It very much indicated non vaccinated immigrants into the city. So, education is key for newcomers and for those with vaccine hesitancy. |
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"It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation.
So you'd rather just ignore it and hope it fixes itself?
And there is no evidence that antivaxxers have had any impact at all on uptake of mmr vax. There's a lot of folks making 1 plus 1 equal 3 though.
People like Wakefield have had lots of followers who refused to vaccinate their children. The 3 kids in Texas who have died? There is an effect from antivaxers, sprouting from Wakefield there, don't you think?"
There's some news here, highlighting what Kennedy's former antivax group are publishing
“The narrative is that it’s a failure to vaccinate when we know it is a failing vaccine,” said Sayer Ji, a self-described natural health and wellness thought leader who is not a doctor. He outlined his theory Monday during an interview on the internet morning show from Children’s Health Defense, an anti-vaccine nonprofit formerly led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who resigned after being chosen by President Donald Trump to run the Department of Health and Human Services. |
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"It's very simple.
Anti vax propaganda especially from the US around COVID has reduced uptake of all vaccines.
Plus thanks to Michael Gove some people seem to be fed up with experts and prefer YouTube.
Add in the fact that the under 50s haven't seen first hand the tragic effects of medieval diseases like diptheria, polio, TB, and measles then you've got a pretty toxic mix.
You want facts....just Google UK measles stats on the gov.uk
All measles cases have to be reported, 100s of 1000s of cases after WW2 with high 100s of deaths and 1000s more seriously damaged.
In recent years barely any deaths and only due to being someway immunocompromised.
Vaccines are cheap, easy to administer and they work.
In this day and age it's ridiculous to even be having this conversation.
So you'd rather just ignore it and hope it fixes itself?
And there is no evidence that antivaxxers have had any impact at all on uptake of mmr vax. There's a lot of folks making 1 plus 1 equal 3 though.
People like Wakefield have had lots of followers who refused to vaccinate their children. The 3 kids in Texas who have died? There is an effect from antivaxers, sprouting from Wakefield there, don't you think?"
Does anyone know the reason why they did not vaccinate.? Because in my mind not having a vaccine because of whatever their belief system may be, as opposed to not having a vaccine because they have listened to and been influenced by the plentiful social media "anti vax"ers are different things. |
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Those who choose not to vaccinated their children based on propaganda and not clinically proven false information..need to have a serious self check of themselves. Not only are you putting your children at risk ..also other children..I'm sorry but utterly selfish. |
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"The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines.
Very true. And not really seeing any efforts to improve trust and confidence. Sometimes giving people the right to choose what drugs they put in their bodies is to their detriment. I also wonder what impact mass movement of people's across continents has on the spread of disease. Immigration for one but also even as simple as commercial travel. "
Commercial and holiday travel is the main driver for rapid international spread of contagious diseases. The catch-it-quickly die-quickly type disease previously did not get to travel very far geographically without being detected. Now of course a new disease walked into (say) Los Angeles International airport can be at every international airport in the world 48 hours later.
Population movement through immigration must be what, less than one thousandth of all air passengers? Probably less than a ten thousandth. Holiday goers must be the biggest single cause of global disease spread. |
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"But if the majority of the population are vaccinated then it's irrelevant.... certainly for the lines of measles. That's the point.
But yes you have a point when it's a new virus such as monkey "
The levels of vaccination needed for measles eradication had been achieved in the UK and other countries. We were very fortunate  . Until Wakefield decided to commit fraud and cause fear, starting his antivax crusade . And, sadly, he's not stopped with it, with many people taken in by it.
Monkeypox is controllable with our existing vaccines too - it's the withdrawal of the smallpox vaccine from routine use, that allowed its resurgence here.
It's tragic for poorer countries without extensive medical services though. |
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"The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines.
Very true. And not really seeing any efforts to improve trust and confidence. Sometimes giving people the right to choose what drugs they put in their bodies is to their detriment. I also wonder what impact mass movement of people's across continents has on the spread of disease. Immigration for one but also even as simple as commercial travel.
Commercial and holiday travel is the main driver for rapid international spread of contagious diseases. The catch-it-quickly die-quickly type disease previously did not get to travel very far geographically without being detected. Now of course a new disease walked into (say) Los Angeles International airport can be at every international airport in the world 48 hours later.
Population movement through immigration must be what, less than one thousandth of all air passengers? Probably less than a ten thousandth. Holiday goers must be the biggest single cause of global disease spread."
You're not considering herd immunity. Non vaccinated immigrants and vaccine hesitancy both cause issues re herd immunity. |
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"The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines.
Very true. And not really seeing any efforts to improve trust and confidence. Sometimes giving people the right to choose what drugs they put in their bodies is to their detriment. I also wonder what impact mass movement of people's across continents has on the spread of disease. Immigration for one but also even as simple as commercial travel.
Commercial and holiday travel is the main driver for rapid international spread of contagious diseases. The catch-it-quickly die-quickly type disease previously did not get to travel very far geographically without being detected. Now of course a new disease walked into (say) Los Angeles International airport can be at every international airport in the world 48 hours later.
Population movement through immigration must be what, less than one thousandth of all air passengers? Probably less than a ten thousandth. Holiday goers must be the biggest single cause of global disease spread."
Makes sense.
You'd think that there might be some evidence for the impact of travel and a 7 million increase in population mostly through immigration on community health and vaccine uptake But doesn't seem to ever be mentioned, much rather go back to the old faithful and blame a few thousand anti vax folks. |
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"The basic reproduction number, or Ro, for measles is 18! Basically, in a population of unvaccinated people 1 person with measles will probably pass it to 18 people. If you walk in to a room 2 hours after someone infected has been breathing the same air, you might catch it.
Sadly, the miscommunication of covid vaccines has compounded the fear of traditional vaccines.
Very true. And not really seeing any efforts to improve trust and confidence. Sometimes giving people the right to choose what drugs they put in their bodies is to their detriment. I also wonder what impact mass movement of people's across continents has on the spread of disease. Immigration for one but also even as simple as commercial travel.
Commercial and holiday travel is the main driver for rapid international spread of contagious diseases. The catch-it-quickly die-quickly type disease previously did not get to travel very far geographically without being detected. Now of course a new disease walked into (say) Los Angeles International airport can be at every international airport in the world 48 hours later.
Population movement through immigration must be what, less than one thousandth of all air passengers? Probably less than a ten thousandth. Holiday goers must be the biggest single cause of global disease spread.
Makes sense.
You'd think that there might be some evidence for the impact of travel and a 7 million increase in population mostly through immigration on community health and vaccine uptake But doesn't seem to ever be mentioned, much rather go back to the old faithful and blame a few thousand anti vax folks. "
Those things that are wilfully imposed, by those seeking to profit from misery and death, are in a very different league, from the standard variation and movement accepted and understood, about human life today. We should denounce what would otherwise be seen as thoroughly evil wrongdoing. There are very powerful influencers at work, who've been driving this carnage. It's not wrong to hold antivax views - misguided, certainly - but they've typically been corralled into the antivax silos by some unpleasant individuals. The elephant in the room is very visible. |
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