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"I don't take any . Should I do so ? I would say I need Vitamin D from sunshine more than anything hence winter holidays in place " No idea, it's why I'm asking.  | |||
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"I take a multivitamin with minerals in . I take it because it's supposed to help post menopause symptoms.." Do you feel it does help? | |||
"Vits B and D under doctors orders" I understand that vitamin D is something we should all take. I take it in the winter | |||
"google them thourougly , so many are a complete waste of time . i typed in "best vitamin supplements 2024" i was taking cod liver oil tablets , found out no real fish oil in them, ive changed to ones that have." I found it just takes down a rabbit hole of conflicting information. | |||
"Not so much vitamins.. But I take some supplements that are good for circulation/ blood pressure/ blood vessels. Some of these are 1. rutin ( contains high levels of flavenols found in the skin of fruits) 2. Garlic tablets 3. L - arginine 4. Horse chestnut extract " So you take supplements for specific problems? | |||
"Not so much vitamins.. But I take some supplements that are good for circulation/ blood pressure/ blood vessels. Some of these are 1. rutin ( contains high levels of flavenols found in the skin of fruits) 2. Garlic tablets 3. L - arginine 4. Horse chestnut extract So you take supplements for specific problems?" Both my parents had high blood pressure and spin-off health issues related to that. So I'm trying to counter my bad genetics. I also take raw cacao powder and make a hot drink with it sometimes. Good for the elasticity of blood vessels/ veins. | |||
"Which ones do you take and why? " There’s a lot of new science around gene mutations and having tests to determine specific supplement needs. Have you come across Gary Brecka at all? Worth a look if you interested in a more targeted approach, or GetStride which is U.K. based. | |||
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"Not so much vitamins.. But I take some supplements that are good for circulation/ blood pressure/ blood vessels. Some of these are 1. rutin ( contains high levels of flavenols found in the skin of fruits) 2. Garlic tablets 3. L - arginine 4. Horse chestnut extract So you take supplements for specific problems? Both my parents had high blood pressure and spin-off health issues related to that. So I'm trying to counter my bad genetics. I also take raw cacao powder and make a hot drink with it sometimes. Good for the elasticity of blood vessels/ veins."  | |||
"Which ones do you take and why? There’s a lot of new science around gene mutations and having tests to determine specific supplement needs. Have you come across Gary Brecka at all? Worth a look if you interested in a more targeted approach, or GetStride which is U.K. based. " I haven't done any research at all. As my seventies loom towards me I would like to do as much as I can to remain healthy. I don't want to spend money unnecessarily though or take any old thing. I will take a look at Gary Brecka, 8 admit now though i have an extremely short attention span | |||
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"Vits B and D under doctors orders I understand that vitamin D is something we should all take. I take it in the winter" Yep, apparently most people are deficient due to poor UK weather and sedentary indoor lifestyles. Apparently oily fish, eggs and red meat are good natural sources. | |||
"If we eat the correct foods daily and regularly supplements shouldn't be needed " I don't think common sense is welcome here tbh. | |||
"Get a blood test done. That will tell you if you have any deficiencies that might need supplementation. Most people who eat well and have a balanced diet don’t need any supplements." I eat a good, balanced diet. It can't hurt to find out if there are any ways I can maintain my health | |||
"Vits B and D under doctors orders I understand that vitamin D is something we should all take. I take it in the winter Yep, apparently most people are deficient due to poor UK weather and sedentary indoor lifestyles. Apparently oily fish, eggs and red meat are good natural sources." Yes. I eat those things and take vitamin D tablets. I am outside a lot too | |||
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"Basic multivitamin and iron, from boots in tubs of 90. Mainly because I didn’t have enough haemoglobin the last time I tried to give blood." Take vitamin k with with vitamin d, as k helps your body absorb the d better. | |||
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"Which ones do you take and why? " Multi vitamins. I get them for Christmas and they last almost all year. | |||
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"In the context of a good, healthy diet and in absence of a specific vitamin deficiency, you don’t need supplements. Which is why you pay for them, unless there’s a deficiency that has been diagnosed by a doctor. In short: most of the time, vitamin supplements are a waste of money." By the way, I’m sure the “BUT THEY WORKED FOR ME” gang will be quickly gnawing at my neck. Don’t care guys, it’s your hard earned so feel free to waste it. | |||
"Lions Mane, Ginkgo Biloba, Macca & Ginseng.. I get mine from here: https://www.british-supplements.net/ Top tip fo the lads... I found myself not getting quite as hard as I used to, the Macca & Ginseng has sorted that out.. Lions Mane & Ginkgo Biloba for my brain (long family history of dementia in my family) - it's 100% helped with "brain fog"..." Brain exercises help | |||
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"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown " I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean? | |||
"A multivitamin, high strength vitamin D as I was deficient in a blood test and high strength Omega 3 because it's something most of us don't get enough of and I definitely feel the benefits. It helps me focus and sleep better." I do take vitamin D. I had ulcerated dermatitis in my mouth as a young woman which was very unpleasant. That was down to a vitamin B deficiency. | |||
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"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean?" im sure i read a study that said you would have to eat 12 tomoatos now for the equivalent nutrients from say the 50's | |||
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"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean?im sure i read a study that said you would have to eat 12 tomoatos now for the equivalent nutrients from say the 50's " Even home grown? | |||
"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say? "You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS | |||
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"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS"Mine's actually prescribed as you can't get it over the counter. | |||
"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean?im sure i read a study that said you would have to eat 12 tomoatos now for the equivalent nutrients from say the 50's Even home grown? " obvs loads better but i dont think u can get the older type seeds anymore so stuck with modern variations | |||
"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean?im sure i read a study that said you would have to eat 12 tomoatos now for the equivalent nutrients from say the 50's Even home grown? obvs loads better but i dont think u can get the older type seeds anymore so stuck with modern variations " You can get what they call heirloom seeds. I grow some. The fruit and vegetables do often taste better but I don't know if they're more nutritious | |||
"No idea wether they work or not and im more the "healthy food has what we need" problem is nowadays the food has very little nutrion in it even home grown I'm not sure I understand your comment about food having very little nutrition in it. How do you mean?im sure i read a study that said you would have to eat 12 tomoatos now for the equivalent nutrients from say the 50's Even home grown? obvs loads better but i dont think u can get the older type seeds anymore so stuck with modern variations You can get what they call heirloom seeds. I grow some. The fruit and vegetables do often taste better but I don't know if they're more nutritious" most definatly will taste better we love some homegrown m veggies | |||
"I don't take any . Should I do so ? I would say I need Vitamin D from sunshine more than anything hence winter holidays in place No idea, it's why I'm asking. "Supplements are needed if you have a deficiency. You should speak to your doctor to establish if YOU have any specific requirements. A doctor friend of mine phrased it that if you take supplements you don’t need then all you achieve is producing very expensive urine. | |||
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"Testing for deficiencies is a good place to start and then looking into the best way to resolve them. There is plenty of (too much) guidance on the internet I would say find a resource you are comfortable with and let that guide you. Vitamins D A C E are a good place to start but also look at mineral deficiency ( zinc iron potassium, iodine etc) and see how best to address any you identify. " Agreed. Starting point is to find out your own deficiencies, if any. Supplement providers make all sorts of claims about their products, but the most important thing is an individual’s own requirements. And yet, a lot of us pay good money for products we may not need, often on the foot of someone else’s requirements (THEY take a supplement that THEY need, based on THEIR requirements, and we think I’ll try that, might work for me too) | |||
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"I occasionally take D and B12. I try to eat fortified food, but i probably should take them more regularly " You’re in the correct place for the first one | |||
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"I don't take any, I don’t have any symptoms of deficiencies and even if I did I’d sort it with diet changes " In some cases you can't fix it with diet. I am having to take iron supplements at the moment no adjustment to my diet would keep my iron levels up. | |||
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"I would suggest a standard A to Z multivitamin from your supermarket, then a high strength fish oil and vitamin D supplement " For most people the amount of vitamin d in the multivitamin will be more than sufficient. Taking too much vitamin d can have side effects. | |||
"I take vit D, omega 3,6 & 9 and glucosamine." Same here but instead of vit d I take tumeric | |||
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"For me personally, I take a daily multivitamin, omega 3 (because unmedicated adhd) and maca, lions mane and ashwagandha, for the combination of adhd and menopause. Less side effects than HRT and gets rid of the brain fog. " I wasn't aware that omega had an impact with ADHD so thanks , I've been taking shilajit on and off for a while as it's supposed to have minerals that help with that | |||
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"I take D3, creatine and Kurk which is a liquid turmeric and curcumin supplement. I find the latter helps with inflammation. " I take turmeric +black pepper daily | |||
"Vitamin D seems to keep me away from all the lurgie about C for energy B12 unsure why but I do Cod liver oil for obvious reasons Bonus tip … get the sis sport hydro tablets you add to water … great after exercise or after a few too many beers!!" B12 is the building block of life | |||
"Vitamin D seems to keep me away from all the lurgie about C for energy B12 unsure why but I do Cod liver oil for obvious reasons Bonus tip … get the sis sport hydro tablets you add to water … great after exercise or after a few too many beers!! B12 is the building block of life " Elaborate | |||
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"Vitamin D seems to keep me away from all the lurgie about C for energy B12 unsure why but I do Cod liver oil for obvious reasons Bonus tip … get the sis sport hydro tablets you add to water … great after exercise or after a few too many beers!! B12 is the building block of life Elaborate" From Google AI overview : Vitamin B12 is a nutrient that helps keep your body's blood and nerve cells healthy and helps make DNA, the genetic material in all of your cells. Vitamin B12 also helps prevent megaloblastic anemia, a blood condition that makes people tired and weak *** Mostly now we get it from fortified sources, ie animals are injected and you digest it from eating the animal.... or take a supplement | |||
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"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS"As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins. | |||
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"Vitamin D seems to keep me away from all the lurgie about C for energy B12 unsure why but I do Cod liver oil for obvious reasons Bonus tip … get the sis sport hydro tablets you add to water … great after exercise or after a few too many beers!! B12 is the building block of life Elaborate From Google AI overview : Vitamin B12 is a nutrient that helps keep your body's blood and nerve cells healthy and helps make DNA, the genetic material in all of your cells. Vitamin B12 also helps prevent megaloblastic anemia, a blood condition that makes people tired and weak *** Mostly now we get it from fortified sources, ie animals are injected and you digest it from eating the animal.... or take a supplement" "Helps" Vit B12 is not the building block of life. | |||
"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. " But not an opinion based on fact. I’m deficient in a few things and have had them prescribed by my GP. It has made a difference. We’re all deficient in vitamin D, especially those of us who work indoors. I need higher levels of some other vitamins and minerals than are naturally available, so I need to top those up. | |||
"If we eat the correct foods daily and regularly supplements shouldn't be needed " For various reasons, the body doesn't always assimilate all the required vitamins needed even if present. You may need a boost. D is not always present in adequate quantities due to lack of sunshine too. Raw garlic and turmeric are my favourite additions ie taken in bigger doses | |||
"I’ve been away from this forum for a few days and regret coming back. So much ignorance. Bloody hell people, stop pretending you know these things just because you read it in a lifestyle blog in your 10 minutes on the loo. Having said that, it’s your money. Splash it in whatever way you want. As long as you pay for useless supplements and don’t make the NHS (therefore me too) for it, it’s all fine." Think you'll find even doctors use quesswork to treat you. | |||
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"I’ve been away from this forum for a few days and regret coming back. So much ignorance. Bloody hell people, stop pretending you know these things just because you read it in a lifestyle blog in your 10 minutes on the loo. Having said that, it’s your money. Splash it in whatever way you want. As long as you pay for useless supplements and don’t make the NHS (therefore me too) for it, it’s all fine. Think you'll find even doctors use quesswork to treat you. " Differential diagnoses and appropriate investigations. | |||
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"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins."Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically | |||
"I’ve been away from this forum for a few days and regret coming back. So much ignorance. Bloody hell people, stop pretending you know these things just because you read it in a lifestyle blog in your 10 minutes on the loo. Having said that, it’s your money. Splash it in whatever way you want. As long as you pay for useless supplements and don’t make the NHS (therefore me too) for it, it’s all fine." Sorry I don't make the rules but thanks for helping with my free vitamin prescription. | |||
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"^^ I'm pretty sure you can't just walk into a Drs surgery and ask them to prescribe vitamins without them determining you need them. " Exactly right...it's for medical necessity otherwise it would be over the counter. | |||
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"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically "You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid. A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought | |||
"I’ve been away from this forum for a few days and regret coming back. So much ignorance. Bloody hell people, stop pretending you know these things just because you read it in a lifestyle blog in your 10 minutes on the loo. Having said that, it’s your money. Splash it in whatever way you want. As long as you pay for useless supplements and don’t make the NHS (therefore me too) for it, it’s all fine. Think you'll find even doctors use quesswork to treat you. " A few bad ones, maybe. Not the majority. And I’d rather speak to a doctor than to a guru trying to sell me vitamins | |||
"^^ I'm pretty sure you can't just walk into a Drs surgery and ask them to prescribe vitamins without them determining you need them. I'm pretty sure you can't just walk in to a Drs surgery come to that. You have to wait in a phone queue for an hour, tell a receptionist what's wrong with you, wait for a call back or text, fill out a questionnaire, wait for another call back, go slowly doolally... " Strawman argument. Just because it may be difficult to get an appointment (or it takes more than the 60 minutes you’re willing to wait) doesn’t mean you should do it yourself when it comes to your health. I still remember the tragic “I did my own research” crowd from the pandemic. | |||
"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically
You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid.
A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought"And again we are saying the same thing and confirming what I said before. Vitamin supplements are useless in a balanced diet UNLESS there is a recognised deficiency, like in your stepdad case. | |||
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"I started taking Lions Main, magnesium, glucosamine sulphate and a multivitamin. Has worked wonders for me. " Lions mane is good, makes me feel sharper. Magnesium tends to make me a little sleepy at the best of times. | |||
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"I don't take any, I don’t have any symptoms of deficiencies and even if I did I’d sort it with diet changes In some cases you can't fix it with diet. I am having to take iron supplements at the moment no adjustment to my diet would keep my iron levels up." That’s depends on who you ask. Some things are definitely easier to fix like low iron, but what’s the plan? Take them for life? If you look at Studies of some of the pitiful absorption rates of even the best / most expensive vitamins and mineral supplements and also studies that show the differences between getting your vitamins minerals and trace elements like selenium & vitamin D from food / sun versus pills then you might come to a different conclusion | |||
"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically
You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid.
A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought
And again we are saying the same thing and confirming what I said before. Vitamin supplements are useless in a balanced diet UNLESS there is a recognised deficiency, like in your stepdad case. "The NHS advice for vitamins is at worst irresponsible and scientifically unsound, a bit like their five-a- day mantra and access to treatments like breast reduction based on BMI - complete bollocks and driven by one thing only, how to spend less money on not very bright people. Just about everyone in the northern hemisphere is going to be deficient in vitamin D and taking vitamin D tablets will do absolutely absolutely nothing for you | |||
"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically
You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid.
A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought
And again we are saying the same thing and confirming what I said before. Vitamin supplements are useless in a balanced diet UNLESS there is a recognised deficiency, like in your stepdad case.
The NHS advice for vitamins is at worst irresponsible and scientifically unsound, a bit like their five-a- day mantra and access to treatments like breast reduction based on BMI - complete bollocks and driven by one thing only, how to spend less money on not very bright people.
Just about everyone in the northern hemisphere is going to be deficient in vitamin D and taking vitamin D tablets will do absolutely absolutely nothing for you
"Oh sure. Now the NHS advice is “scientifically unsound”. Instead, we should listen to…who exactly? A guy on fabs? A guru on a lifestyle blog? Some quack talking to a few nimcompoops in a hotel hall? A grifter on social networks that tries to get money from people? Do you actually have evidence that counters the one the NHS guidance is based? Jesus guys, do what you want but don’t try to put a scientific aura to what you do: dress up like a shaman, dance around a circle and I’ll take you more seriously. At least you are being honest. | |||
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"I'm sure I saw on QI that the majority of multi vitimin tablets are a waste of time for the majority of people. So long as you eat a healthy variety of food, you should be good." Your second paragraph says it all really. | |||
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"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically
You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid.
A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought
And again we are saying the same thing and confirming what I said before. Vitamin supplements are useless in a balanced diet UNLESS there is a recognised deficiency, like in your stepdad case.
The NHS advice for vitamins is at worst irresponsible and scientifically unsound, a bit like their five-a- day mantra and access to treatments like breast reduction based on BMI - complete bollocks and driven by one thing only, how to spend less money on not very bright people.
Just about everyone in the northern hemisphere is going to be deficient in vitamin D and taking vitamin D tablets will do absolutely absolutely nothing for you
Oh sure. Now the NHS advice is “scientifically unsound”. Instead, we should listen to…who exactly? A guy on fabs? A guru on a lifestyle blog? Some quack talking to a few nimcompoops in a hotel hall? A grifter on social networks that tries to get money from people? Do you actually have evidence that counters the one the NHS guidance is based?
Jesus guys, do what you want but don’t try to put a scientific aura to what you do: dress up like a shaman, dance around a circle and I’ll take you more seriously. At least you are being honest."Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals. I still take vitamin D but I also realise it probably doesn't do me as much good as I once thought. | |||
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"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. " 100 % correct | |||
"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. 100 % correct" But it isn't. Several people above have explained why they need them. | |||
"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. 100 % correct But it isn't. Several people above have explained why they need them. " Some people don't bother reading through the thread, they really should because they'll learn something!!  | |||
"I'm sure I saw on QI that the majority of multi vitimin tablets are a waste of time for the majority of people. So long as you eat a healthy variety of food, you should be good." Doesn't work that way for some though, some are prescribed vitamin supplements by their doctors for different reasons. | |||
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"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. 100 % correct" Wrong ! | |||
"Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals." What age groups were these 30,000 people divided into? For how many decades were their medical conditions recorded? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who took no vitamin D supplements? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who thought they were taking vitamin D supplements, but were given useless placebos instead? The symptoms of malnutrition can take decades to become noticeable, e.g. osteoporosis. | |||
"Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals. What age groups were these 30,000 people divided into? For how many decades were their medical conditions recorded? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who took no vitamin D supplements? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who thought they were taking vitamin D supplements, but were given useless placebos instead? The symptoms of malnutrition can take decades to become noticeable, e.g. osteoporosis. " Well now you've taken my post out of context a bit here. Which was in reponse to someone else, who said that another poster was making up the fact that there was no evidence to suggest vit D was of benefit, in a rather agrressive tone. I countered that with fact based evidence that there is some. Did I say that the study was good? There's enough information in my post for you to obtain the paper to answer your questions and do your own research. People should do their own research, if we followed NHS/doctors mindlessly there would be so many more women struggling with peri and menopause for example. FYI if you look higher up this thread you'll see I take vitamin D. I just read the research available to inform my decisions. | |||
"I should add , since someone decided to message me direct questioning why I feel I need to take such supplements ……. These are not self medicated these are prescribed by the doctor. B12 injections every 3 months and D3 and high dose folic every day with full blood count every 6 months I’m coeliac and had my gall bladder removed so my body doesn’t naturally maintain these levels and all 3 work with each other. My body doesn’t absorb them easily having an auto immune disease" That's ridiculous whoever sent this to you I hope you read this, and realise how absolutely wrong this is to do. | |||
"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. 100 % correct" And what about people with autoimmune conditions such as pernicious anaemia? Where the factor that binds vit B12 is attacked by the body, so regardless how how much you consumed in a healthy diet you can't absorb it. | |||
"I should add , since someone decided to message me direct questioning why I feel I need to take such supplements ……. These are not self medicated these are prescribed by the doctor. B12 injections every 3 months and D3 and high dose folic every day with full blood count every 6 months I’m coeliac and had my gall bladder removed so my body doesn’t naturally maintain these levels and all 3 work with each other. My body doesn’t absorb them easily having an auto immune disease That's ridiculous whoever sent this to you I hope you read this, and realise how absolutely wrong this is to do. " Exactly ! Supplements can be an essential for some people Before I was on these prescribed ones I was very ill indeed , barely any energy but suffering with insomnia too | |||
"I should add , since someone decided to message me direct questioning why I feel I need to take such supplements ……. These are not self medicated these are prescribed by the doctor. B12 injections every 3 months and D3 and high dose folic every day with full blood count every 6 months I’m coeliac and had my gall bladder removed so my body doesn’t naturally maintain these levels and all 3 work with each other. My body doesn’t absorb them easily having an auto immune disease That's ridiculous whoever sent this to you I hope you read this, and realise how absolutely wrong this is to do. Exactly ! Supplements can be an essential for some people Before I was on these prescribed ones I was very ill indeed , barely any energy but suffering with insomnia too " Before prescription drugs, most of it was root based which is available, no additives and still it's about having the correct amount Prescription drugs have a reduced amount and whether it is pure or something similar that mimics, can also lead to other health issues | |||
"Nobody needs artificial vitamins. They’re a massive con. Just have a healthy balanced diet. Just my opinion. 100 % correct And what about people with autoimmune conditions such as pernicious anaemia? Where the factor that binds vit B12 is attacked by the body, so regardless how how much you consumed in a healthy diet you can't absorb it. " A very good point. | |||
"Oh dear Keep on wasting your money, guys. What else can I say?
You could explain why you think that. The vitamin D I take has been recommended by the NHS
As I wrote before, UNLESS there is a clear indication like a precise deficiency (we are all vit D deficient in the UK due to lack of sun and diet) there is no need to take vitamins.
Totally agree. All these idiots duped into believing they need supplements. They don’t. Just have a healthy diet. Meat, fish and dairy gives you all you need. If you’re 1% of the population ie Vegan, then you’ll need help. Mentally and physically
You described my step dad's diet.. And yet he's just been prescribed as requiring folic acid.
A balanced diet is great, but not a guarantee - and other things we do can have an impact, ie tea /coffee acts as an inhibitor to iron absorption - so if your having a cuppa with your meal, you might not be absorbing as much as you thought
And again we are saying the same thing and confirming what I said before. Vitamin supplements are useless in a balanced diet UNLESS there is a recognised deficiency, like in your stepdad case.
The NHS advice for vitamins is at worst irresponsible and scientifically unsound, a bit like their five-a- day mantra and access to treatments like breast reduction based on BMI - complete bollocks and driven by one thing only, how to spend less money on not very bright people.
Just about everyone in the northern hemisphere is going to be deficient in vitamin D and taking vitamin D tablets will do absolutely absolutely nothing for you
Oh sure. Now the NHS advice is “scientifically unsound”. Instead, we should listen to…who exactly? A guy on fabs? A guru on a lifestyle blog? Some quack talking to a few nimcompoops in a hotel hall? A grifter on social networks that tries to get money from people? Do you actually have evidence that counters the one the NHS guidance is based?
Jesus guys, do what you want but don’t try to put a scientific aura to what you do: dress up like a shaman, dance around a circle and I’ll take you more seriously. At least you are being honest.
Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals.
I still take vitamin D but I also realise it probably doesn't do me as much good as I once thought. "Funny, you basically agreed with me. As that paper you are quoting says, there is no evidence of benefits of supplementation IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. There you go. Sometimes reading twice helps, you know. | |||
"Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals. What age groups were these 30,000 people divided into? For how many decades were their medical conditions recorded? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who took no vitamin D supplements? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who thought they were taking vitamin D supplements, but were given useless placebos instead? The symptoms of malnutrition can take decades to become noticeable, e.g. osteoporosis. Well now you've taken my post out of context a bit here. Which was in reponse to someone else, who said that another poster was making up the fact that there was no evidence to suggest vit D was of benefit, in a rather agrressive tone. I countered that with fact based evidence that there is some. Did I say that the study was good? There's enough information in my post for you to obtain the paper to answer your questions and do your own research. People should do their own research, if we followed NHS/doctors mindlessly there would be so many more women struggling with peri and menopause for example. FYI if you look higher up this thread you'll see I take vitamin D. I just read the research available to inform my decisions." People shouldn’t really do their research, because they don’t have the basics of science to go through those studies. Case in point: someone (may have been you) confirmed in toto what I said before without realising. Seems like when I say “vitamin supplements are useless in HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS who have a varied diet” many people understand “supplements are useless in every case” which is obviously wrong. The last people I heard were doing their research, they were scared of vaccines and looking for alternatives. Unfortunately for them, they turned up in intensive care. Don’t get me started with people not trusting their doctors… | |||
"I should add , since someone decided to message me direct questioning why I feel I need to take such supplements ……. These are not self medicated these are prescribed by the doctor. B12 injections every 3 months and D3 and high dose folic every day with full blood count every 6 months I’m coeliac and had my gall bladder removed so my body doesn’t naturally maintain these levels and all 3 work with each other. My body doesn’t absorb them easily having an auto immune disease That's ridiculous whoever sent this to you I hope you read this, and realise how absolutely wrong this is to do. Exactly ! Supplements can be an essential for some people Before I was on these prescribed ones I was very ill indeed , barely any energy but suffering with insomnia too " Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you’re better now! | |||
"I should add , since someone decided to message me direct questioning why I feel I need to take such supplements ……. These are not self medicated these are prescribed by the doctor. B12 injections every 3 months and D3 and high dose folic every day with full blood count every 6 months I’m coeliac and had my gall bladder removed so my body doesn’t naturally maintain these levels and all 3 work with each other. My body doesn’t absorb them easily having an auto immune disease That's ridiculous whoever sent this to you I hope you read this, and realise how absolutely wrong this is to do. Exactly ! Supplements can be an essential for some people Before I was on these prescribed ones I was very ill indeed , barely any energy but suffering with insomnia too Before prescription drugs, most of it was root based which is available, no additives and still it's about having the correct amount Prescription drugs have a reduced amount and whether it is pure or something similar that mimics, can also lead to other health issues " It would be interesting to hear what the heck you are talking about. Any examples? Some scientific papers? Where did you get those info? Are you suggesting we should not give supplementation to people diagnosed with severe vitamin deficiency but instead fill them with oranges? Popcorns ready  | |||
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It is worth remembering that many people have health reasons they can't just alter their diet, even if diet could fix the issue which it can't always. | |||
"Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals. What age groups were these 30,000 people divided into? For how many decades were their medical conditions recorded? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who took no vitamin D supplements? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who thought they were taking vitamin D supplements, but were given useless placebos instead? The symptoms of malnutrition can take decades to become noticeable, e.g. osteoporosis. Well now you've taken my post out of context a bit here. Which was in reponse to someone else, who said that another poster was making up the fact that there was no evidence to suggest vit D was of benefit, in a rather agrressive tone. I countered that with fact based evidence that there is some. Did I say that the study was good? There's enough information in my post for you to obtain the paper to answer your questions and do your own research. People should do their own research, if we followed NHS/doctors mindlessly there would be so many more women struggling with peri and menopause for example. FYI if you look higher up this thread you'll see I take vitamin D. I just read the research available to inform my decisions. People shouldn’t really do their research, because they don’t have the basics of science to go through those studies. Case in point: someone (may have been you) confirmed in toto what I said before without realising. Seems like when I say “vitamin supplements are useless in HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS who have a varied diet” many people understand “supplements are useless in every case” which is obviously wrong. The last people I heard were doing their research, they were scared of vaccines and looking for alternatives. Unfortunately for them, they turned up in intensive care. Don’t get me started with people not trusting their doctors…" Maybe you should pop your head in perimenopause thread on the virus section. You may then see how much people do have to advocate for their own medical care. I've never ended up in hospital due to my research a topic. Just led to me having better discussions with medical professionals about my options. | |||
"It's rather amusing how heated some people get about other people taking vitamins of all things .
It is worth remembering that many people have health reasons they can't just alter their diet, even if diet could fix the issue which it can't always."Heated seems to be the way of the internet sadly. | |||
"Erm if you go on a scientific journal search website. You can find a Nature Rev Endocrinol, 2022 paper that states that vit D supplementation in over 30,000 adults over has no evidence that it is beneficial in healthy individuals. What age groups were these 30,000 people divided into? For how many decades were their medical conditions recorded? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who took no vitamin D supplements? How did these records compare with those of 30,000 people of similar ages who thought they were taking vitamin D supplements, but were given useless placebos instead? The symptoms of malnutrition can take decades to become noticeable, e.g. osteoporosis. Well now you've taken my post out of context a bit here. Which was in reponse to someone else, who said that another poster was making up the fact that there was no evidence to suggest vit D was of benefit, in a rather agrressive tone. I countered that with fact based evidence that there is some. Did I say that the study was good? There's enough information in my post for you to obtain the paper to answer your questions and do your own research. People should do their own research, if we followed NHS/doctors mindlessly there would be so many more women struggling with peri and menopause for example. FYI if you look higher up this thread you'll see I take vitamin D. I just read the research available to inform my decisions. People shouldn’t really do their research, because they don’t have the basics of science to go through those studies. Case in point: someone (may have been you) confirmed in toto what I said before without realising. Seems like when I say “vitamin supplements are useless in HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS who have a varied diet” many people understand “supplements are useless in every case” which is obviously wrong. The last people I heard were doing their research, they were scared of vaccines and looking for alternatives. Unfortunately for them, they turned up in intensive care. Don’t get me started with people not trusting their doctors… Maybe you should pop your head in perimenopause thread on the virus section. You may then see how much people do have to advocate for their own medical care. I've never ended up in hospital due to my research a topic. Just led to me having better discussions with medical professionals about my options. " Nice whataboutism. | |||
"I take multivitamins daily and have B12 injections every 12 weeks and will do for life, due to having had gastric sleeve surgery. " I have the same plus folic acid tablets because being coeliac means I don’t absorb them so I’m deficient | |||
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"Which ones do you take and why? " Hello Mr and Mrs 561. This is a really good question. I researched this in depth last month. To answer the question; I take a cocktail of multivitamins that come in one chewable tablet - almost daily. I take them because research suggests that; 1. It's possible for humans to lack vitamins. 2. It's likely that we are lacking vitamins. 3. You can feel less than optimal in a deficient condition. 4. Taking a multivitamin tablet is suggested to prevent the deficiency from occuring. 5. They're extremely cheap. However, this is why it's a fascinating subject; In the UK alone, this industry is worth £500m annually, yet it's a theoretically based industry. It's completely unproven. The problem is that yes; it's proven that we can't survive without various vitamins and minerals, it's even proven what certain vitamins do, but it's not proven that taking a tablet works! To illustrate; let's say you're a pregnant woman and you need more iron. You could nip over to your gate, scratch a load of iron oxide off it and have it on toast. There! Iron has now been ingested - problem solved. But of course it doesn't work that way. Scientists don't understand what the circumstances are that surround how and when the body absorbs them. So another weird thing that's interesting is that certain vitamins are water soluble, and some are fat soluble. Your body can't store the water soluble ones, but it can store the fat soluble ones. You might think that this suggests that it's probably not necessary to take tablets that contain the fat soluble ones... Who knows, right? Interesting though. X | |||
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"Have started taking multivitamins that are dissolvable not really sure why tbh woke up one day brought some and just started taking them I do honestly feel a tad better and not so achy and tired so maybe it was just instinct " I always have taken cod liver oil ! But recently looked up the ingredients and found some unusual names , re acid, So it’s not just simple oil and they can all interact with your own medicine , So Google it guys and dolls and good night sweet dreams from me | |||
"Have started taking multivitamins that are dissolvable not really sure why tbh woke up one day brought some and just started taking them I do honestly feel a tad better and not so achy and tired so maybe it was just instinct I always have taken cod liver oil ! But recently looked up the ingredients and found some unusual names , re acid, So it’s not just simple oil and they can all interact with your own medicine , So Google it guys and dolls and good night sweet dreams from me " I have a friend he’s in his late 50s and has always run marathons, triathlon and done some pretty crazy cycles of several thousand miles. He’s always been anti-vitamin pills but has taken cod-liver oil For many years until he recently read a book about how getting it from food is completely different to taking it as a supplement , and says there’s zero benefits , and so he has now dropped it. | |||
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