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"Are we all going back to lockdowns? Or will we stay calm and survive? Opinions with some backing please!" Money to be made here surely. I think we all need testing 3 times a day and jabbing every 3 months... Or else. | |||
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"nothing to joke about when in the congo its spreading and looks horrific ...lets hope it dont make it to these shores in the first place tho there was a simular out break last year amongst a small gay/bi male group " Think we need to be more proactive than hoping. First case in Sweden just reported. What will we do to reduce the risk of entering the UK? | |||
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"nothing to joke about when in the congo its spreading and looks horrific ...lets hope it dont make it to these shores in the first place tho there was a simular out break last year amongst a small gay/bi male group Think we need to be more proactive than hoping. First case in Sweden just reported. What will we do to reduce the risk of entering the UK? " maybe riot and steal some steak bakes from greggs? | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it." What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden? | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden?" Eurovision? | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden?" Prey tell, why is it so foolish? | |||
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"Think we need to be more proactive than hoping. First case in Sweden just reported. What will we do to reduce the risk of entering the UK? " Virtually impossible to stop it from entering. | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden? Prey tell, why is it so foolish?" You answer my question first. | |||
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"Umbongo umbingo keep it in the Congo Allow travel to and from And it will spread Lock down one country NOW or the whole world later i can see what’s coming " It has already spread to Kenya, Burundi, Rwanda and Uganda. Are you proposing locking down the whole of Africa, plus Sweden ? | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden? Prey tell, why is it so foolish? You answer my question first." Yeh that's what I thought. | |||
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"Vaccine has been around for years. More scaremongery 🥱🥱" Yup! It’s just convincing ignorance in that country regarding vaccines 👍 | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden? Prey tell, why is it so foolish? You answer my question first. Yeh that's what I thought. " I have an answer, you obviously don't. Obviously a throw away comment. I shouldn't have wasted my time. | |||
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"Subject: MPOX Like the world didn't have enough shit to deal with... I'm guessing you saw this news: WHO declares emergency with monkey pox. Aside from being thoroughly unpleasant, this 1b strain of MPOX has high fatality rates (~10%). At the moment it's restricted to central Africa but could spread. The good news is that it's not primarily a respiratory pathogen - more an STD so should be relatively more avoidable, that being said close contact i.e. being sneezed, coughed or breathed on would be another potential route. This is much more likely when sores are overt and especially when they're present in the mouth and throat. Fomite transmission could be another route - unwashed bed sheets, towels etc. However for the (time being...) MPOX is no CoV-2 in terms of transmissibility, though if you contract it it's clearly a far worse disease. Smallpox was readily transmissible via respiratory routes and had an R value from 3-6 so much higher than even omicron CoV-2, couple that to a 30% fatality rate and it's easy to see why it was such a global scourge. This isn't just to wind Dan up I promise, but the nightmare situation would be if MPOX started to morph into the new smallpox - e.g. by increasing transmissibility via respiratory routes. To be clear there's no evidence yet that will happen but it's a closely related virus so not beyond the realms of what evolution is capable of. The smallpox vaccine which is very well tolerated and has been around for many decades, does work well against MPOX though its efficacy is less clear for the new 1b clade. There's nothing at the moment to say it won't be effective though - doubtless we'll find out from ongoing ring vaccination trials in due course. If the smallpox vaccine does turn out be (relatively) ineffective, developing new and efficacious vaccines should thankfully be straightforward especially since pox viruses - as nasty as they can be - are less slippery customers than that prick the coronavirus. FYI there's a chance that anyone born before 1971 in the UK will also have had a smallpox vaccination but it's anyone's guess what level of immunity that would provide now. This was posted not to freak anyone out rather just give a bit of background info. " Out of interest where did you get the 10% fatty rate from.? The one I read from who said 4 deaths out of each 100 cases so 4%, I wonder if that was a different variant perhaps or simply the media making numbers up for effect. | |||
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"Subject: MPOX Like the world didn't have enough shit to deal with... I'm guessing you saw this news: WHO declares emergency with monkey pox. Aside from being thoroughly unpleasant, this 1b strain of MPOX has high fatality rates (~10%). At the moment it's restricted to central Africa but could spread. The good news is that it's not primarily a respiratory pathogen - more an STD so should be relatively more avoidable, that being said close contact i.e. being sneezed, coughed or breathed on would be another potential route. This is much more likely when sores are overt and especially when they're present in the mouth and throat. Fomite transmission could be another route - unwashed bed sheets, towels etc. However for the (time being...) MPOX is no CoV-2 in terms of transmissibility, though if you contract it it's clearly a far worse disease. Smallpox was readily transmissible via respiratory routes and had an R value from 3-6 so much higher than even omicron CoV-2, couple that to a 30% fatality rate and it's easy to see why it was such a global scourge. This isn't just to wind Dan up I promise, but the nightmare situation would be if MPOX started to morph into the new smallpox - e.g. by increasing transmissibility via respiratory routes. To be clear there's no evidence yet that will happen but it's a closely related virus so not beyond the realms of what evolution is capable of. The smallpox vaccine which is very well tolerated and has been around for many decades, does work well against MPOX though its efficacy is less clear for the new 1b clade. There's nothing at the moment to say it won't be effective though - doubtless we'll find out from ongoing ring vaccination trials in due course. If the smallpox vaccine does turn out be (relatively) ineffective, developing new and efficacious vaccines should thankfully be straightforward especially since pox viruses - as nasty as they can be - are less slippery customers than that prick the coronavirus. FYI there's a chance that anyone born before 1971 in the UK will also have had a smallpox vaccination but it's anyone's guess what level of immunity that would provide now. This was posted not to freak anyone out rather just give a bit of background info. Out of interest where did you get the 10% fatty rate from.? The one I read from who said 4 deaths out of each 100 cases so 4%, I wonder if that was a different variant perhaps or simply the media making numbers up for effect. " Bloody autocarrot! *fatality rate not fatty rate. * | |||
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"Subject: MPOX Like the world didn't have enough shit to deal with... I'm guessing you saw this news: WHO declares emergency with monkey pox. Aside from being thoroughly unpleasant, this 1b strain of MPOX has high fatality rates (~10%). At the moment it's restricted to central Africa but could spread. The good news is that it's not primarily a respiratory pathogen - more an STD so should be relatively more avoidable, that being said close contact i.e. being sneezed, coughed or breathed on would be another potential route. This is much more likely when sores are overt and especially when they're present in the mouth and throat. Fomite transmission could be another route - unwashed bed sheets, towels etc. However for the (time being...) MPOX is no CoV-2 in terms of transmissibility, though if you contract it it's clearly a far worse disease. Smallpox was readily transmissible via respiratory routes and had an R value from 3-6 so much higher than even omicron CoV-2, couple that to a 30% fatality rate and it's easy to see why it was such a global scourge. This isn't just to wind Dan up I promise, but the nightmare situation would be if MPOX started to morph into the new smallpox - e.g. by increasing transmissibility via respiratory routes. To be clear there's no evidence yet that will happen but it's a closely related virus so not beyond the realms of what evolution is capable of. The smallpox vaccine which is very well tolerated and has been around for many decades, does work well against MPOX though its efficacy is less clear for the new 1b clade. There's nothing at the moment to say it won't be effective though - doubtless we'll find out from ongoing ring vaccination trials in due course. If the smallpox vaccine does turn out be (relatively) ineffective, developing new and efficacious vaccines should thankfully be straightforward especially since pox viruses - as nasty as they can be - are less slippery customers than that prick the coronavirus. FYI there's a chance that anyone born before 1971 in the UK will also have had a smallpox vaccination but it's anyone's guess what level of immunity that would provide now. This was posted not to freak anyone out rather just give a bit of background info. Out of interest where did you get the 10% fatty rate from.? The one I read from who said 4 deaths out of each 100 cases so 4%, I wonder if that was a different variant perhaps or simply the media making numbers up for effect. Bloody autocarrot! *fatality rate not fatty rate. *" Those carrots man | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. What a foolish thing to say. Go on, why would it be Sweden? Prey tell, why is it so foolish? You answer my question first. Yeh that's what I thought. I have an answer, you obviously don't. Obviously a throw away comment. I shouldn't have wasted my time. " You intimated that my comment was foolish, before asking what I meant. Therefore I reserve my right to enquire why it is foolish before I give you detailed reasoning, as you give the impression of knowing why it's foolish before hearing the details. Please don't feel the need to reply, I wouldn't want to waste either of our time further. Good day. | |||
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"Maybe we should stop the boats now " Great idea, but we’ll let the yachts, supercars and jetskis in still | |||
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"Maybe we should stop the boats now Great idea, but we’ll let the yachts, supercars and jetskis in still " I’m sure the people on the yachts will be know to whichever country they’re going and coming from | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. " oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? " There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. " For what it's worth, the CDC in the USA are not advising you'll need a booster if you've already had the 2 part vacination already that was avalable 2 years ago. | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.." dont think theres any evidence too prove where it naturally originated either after all these years | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. For what it's worth, the CDC in the USA are not advising you'll need a booster if you've already had the 2 part vacination already that was avalable 2 years ago. Thank you Jenny. " | |||
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"Maybe we should stop the boats now Great idea, but we’ll let the yachts, supercars and jetskis in still " If they have a passport and ferry ticket why wouldn't they? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.." Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. " Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. " there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer | |||
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"Attack free speech put us into lockdown arrest people for Facebook posts hate on the British and English flag seems like things are going really well for our country lol the future looks bleak " | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer " Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24" a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24" So no evidence of rodents passing it to humans this outbreak.? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol" Were you around in 1958 ? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol" Where do you think people find out about viruses if not research labs. Tesco? | |||
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"DRC has a population of 105,000,000. Are we really going to get ourselves all worked up over a minuscule number of people? Keep believing the WHO and the media if you wish but just have a look at the data for yourselves and stop listening to social media/MSM/WHO. They really should teach critical thinking in school!" They do teach critical thinking at school . However, later on , society teaches the opposite . | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol Where do you think people find out about viruses if not research labs. Tesco?" facebook and fab virus forums lol | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol Where do you think people find out about viruses if not research labs. Tesco?facebook and fab virus forums lol" Scientists don't use tescos or Facebook then? Interesting. | |||
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"Subject: MPOX ... This was posted not to freak anyone out rather just give a bit of background info. " Thank you. I haven't really been following the monkey pox situation and I did find your post informative. A good starting point. | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol Where do you think people find out about viruses if not research labs. Tesco?facebook and fab virus forums lol Scientists don't use tescos or Facebook then? Interesting. " they might suppose every little helps | |||
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"The first Mpox outbreak was a type that was primarily a MSM STD, and thus of some importance to many of our promiscuous community. This variant is more of a general close contact infection. Either way I will be getting vaccinated as soon as it’s available." I wish you all the best | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 a research lab oh where have we had that one before i wonder lol Where do you think people find out about viruses if not research labs. Tesco?facebook and fab virus forums lol" Every accusation is a confession 😅🤷♀️ | |||
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"Stop all flights from the country s that are on the watch list " id say theres more coming in on boats than planes | |||
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"Are we all going back to lockdowns? Or will we stay calm and survive? Opinions with some backing please!" Be going back to some seriously boring discussions on here that’s for sure lol | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x" I'm assuming that zero of them will have been visiting the DRC recently, so it's probably not going to make an iota of difference. This is more about the rest of the world helping the poorer nations get easier access to medical support, to reduce the amount of suffering and the risks of infection getting out of hand. Unless you know something that's enlightening and compassionate, | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x I'm assuming that zero of them will have been visiting the DRC recently, so it's probably not going to make an iota of difference. This is more about the rest of the world helping the poorer nations get easier access to medical support, to reduce the amount of suffering and the risks of infection getting out of hand. Unless you know something that's enlightening and compassionate," Hopefully those responsible take a more proactive approach. The 13 African Union Member States with reported cases in 2024 are Burundi, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo (hereafter referred to as Congo), Côte d’Ivoire, DRC, Ghana, Liberia, Kenya, Nigeria, Rwanda, South Africa. Although the degree of under-ascertainment and under-reporting of cases in affected countries is unknown, it is presumed to be substantial. Thus, the number of reported cases is likely an underestimation of the true number of infections and the case fatality is likely overestimated. Furthermore, it can be assumed that community transmission is taking place in several African countries due to the widespread geographical distribution of reported cases and the wide age ranges represented. Source ecdc | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 So no evidence of rodents passing it to humans this outbreak.? " Dunno | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x Ask Sir Stalin keir " for the politics forum, scroll down. Or you want yo blame mpoxcon him like you do everything else | |||
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"Mpox is a phyop. " Psyop? | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x" Sad how some have to bring their culture wars into everything……. | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x Sad how some have to bring their culture wars into everything……. " Yep, thought the same. Sad agenda | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x Sad how some have to bring their culture wars into everything……. Yep, thought the same. Sad agenda " It also seems that "Muppet Kier Stalin" is always mentioned | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x Sad how some have to bring their culture wars into everything……. " It’s crazy how people are connecting the two, people illegally entering countries un checked and diseases spreading from Asia and Africa into Europe | |||
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"Maybe stopping the migrants illegally crossing our sea would help x Sad how some have to bring their culture wars into everything……. " Having secure borders is a culture war now? OK then. | |||
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"The person who brought it into Sweden is a legal citizen there. " 1 he shouldn’t of been allowed to visit a outbreak area and return to his “home” country without proper checks 2 How many more people legally or illegally traveling across countries are carrying the disease without getting checked, Just like COVID allowing people to enter countries when they was traveling from infected areas just helped spread the disease | |||
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"The person who brought it into Sweden is a legal citizen there. 1 he shouldn’t of been allowed to visit a outbreak area and return to his “home” country without proper checks 2 How many more people legally or illegally traveling across countries are carrying the disease without getting checked, Just like COVID allowing people to enter countries when they was traveling from infected areas just helped spread the disease " It's probably not that many. We need to remember that this isn't something like the plague, during medieval times. Open borders do help to spread diseases, including the flu and measles, etc but we don't stop travel. Vaccine acquired immunity may be the type of requirements needed for some infections. It's still a little early to know the effectiveness of vaccines and this new variant but it should be good | |||
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"The person who brought it into Sweden is a legal citizen there. 1 he shouldn’t of been allowed to visit a outbreak area and return to his “home” country without proper checks 2 How many more people legally or illegally traveling across countries are carrying the disease without getting checked, Just like COVID allowing people to enter countries when they was traveling from infected areas just helped spread the disease It's probably not that many. We need to remember that this isn't something like the plague, during medieval times. Open borders do help to spread diseases, including the flu and measles, etc but we don't stop travel. Vaccine acquired immunity may be the type of requirements needed for some infections. It's still a little early to know the effectiveness of vaccines and this new variant but it should be good " I’m not saying stop traveling altogether unless traveling from infected areas and more stringent checks need to be in place | |||
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"The person who brought it into Sweden is a legal citizen there. 1 he shouldn’t of been allowed to visit a outbreak area and return to his “home” country without proper checks 2 How many more people legally or illegally traveling across countries are carrying the disease without getting checked, Just like COVID allowing people to enter countries when they was traveling from infected areas just helped spread the disease It's probably not that many. We need to remember that this isn't something like the plague, during medieval times. Open borders do help to spread diseases, including the flu and measles, etc but we don't stop travel. Vaccine acquired immunity may be the type of requirements needed for some infections. It's still a little early to know the effectiveness of vaccines and this new variant but it should be good I’m not saying stop traveling altogether unless traveling from infected areas and more stringent checks need to be in place " Is it necessary, when this isn't likely, at current levels, to be a major issue? This would be a bit like the early Swedish response to COVID, where they were more relaxed than their Scandinavian neighbours. | |||
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"Let me know when it's something to worry about. The media would have us up in arms over anything. I have no doubt it's bad if you get it and it will spread, but lockdowns and jab jab jab. Come on people. " Yeah, I know. The conspiracy theorists need to up their game on their wank fantasy. Anyone with half a brain can see that different diseases require different mitigation strategies. But the people who love their conspiracy stories can't handle that sort of nuance, so the peddlers spew out the same old tired hits. It's why we've barely seen novel wank material on COVID since 2020 - the masses won't tolerate deviation from their bedtime stories. | |||
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"GAIN OF FUNCTION. If you know what I mean " Not a clue. | |||
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"Let me know when it's something to worry about. The media would have us up in arms over anything. I have no doubt it's bad if you get it and it will spread, but lockdowns and jab jab jab. Come on people. Yeah, I know. The conspiracy theorists need to up their game on their wank fantasy. Anyone with half a brain can see that different diseases require different mitigation strategies. But the people who love their conspiracy stories can't handle that sort of nuance, so the peddlers spew out the same old tired hits. It's why we've barely seen novel wank material on COVID since 2020 - the masses won't tolerate deviation from their bedtime stories." A bit like the poster I questioned whether he meant psyop. | |||
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"GAIN OF FUNCTION. If you know what I mean " Please explain! & don't use the "Do you own research" bollox | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it." I am still waiting to see why it "would be Sweden wouldn't it" | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. I am still waiting to see why it "would be Sweden wouldn't it"" He didn't want to answer. | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. I am still waiting to see why it "would be Sweden wouldn't it"" I think we'll continue to wait for a long time for an intelligent response Sally | |||
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"GAIN OF FUNCTION. If you know what I mean Not a clue." Learn how to pull your foreskin back ? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 So no evidence of rodents passing it to humans this outbreak.? Dunno" From the NHS website - In parts of west and central Africa, mpox can also be caught from infected rodents (such as rats, mice and squirrels) if: you're bitten you touch their fur, skin, blood, body fluids, spots, blisters or scabs you eat their meat and it has not been cooked thoroughly | |||
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"Shock horror, Sweden announced first case outside of Africa... Would be Sweden wouldn't it. " Today's Guardian says that for the first time in 50 years Sweden has "net negative immigration" which means more people are leaving the country than entering. Is this of any relevance ? | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment.. Where did you see that rodents are passing it to humans.? That's a Completely new news. Mpox is a zoonotic ( think that's right) disease , that means it can be spread by animals to humans.. there's a difference between 'can be' and 'is being' though. Has any credible entity said it is being passed from rodents to humans. I mean that's a bit of a game changer Mpox is a zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans by animals. First discovered in 1958 among monkeys in a Danish research lab, the virus’s original name may or may not be a misnomer. Small mammals are thought to harbor the virus in African rainforests where it’s endemic, but it can infect many mammals and has only been isolated in wild animals twice: a rope squirrel in the DRC in 1985 and a mangabey in Cote d’Ivoire in 2012. The actual disease reservoir(s) remain unknown. National Geographic 15/8/24 So no evidence of rodents passing it to humans this outbreak.? Dunno From the NHS website - In parts of west and central Africa, mpox can also be caught from infected rodents (such as rats, mice and squirrels) if: you're bitten you touch their fur, skin, blood, body fluids, spots, blisters or scabs you eat their meat and it has not been cooked thoroughly" Thank you | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. " Such compassion! | |||
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"Is it the monkeypox virus aroubd a couple of years ago? Or a different strain etc?" It's a different clade of the MPox virus that's still around in this country, of which there were 40 cases reported last month. MPox is in the same family as the Smallpox virus, which is why the modified Smallpox vaccine is up to 85% effective against it. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. " Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? " we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far" | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far" I think that's brilliant if you are able to do that. There's a clear narrative to shove more and more into our bodies but if you can manage without more power to you. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far I think that's brilliant if you are able to do that. There's a clear narrative to shove more and more into our bodies but if you can manage without more power to you. " the problem nowadays is the nutritional value of foods were lacking in | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far I think that's brilliant if you are able to do that. There's a clear narrative to shove more and more into our bodies but if you can manage without more power to you. the problem nowadays is the nutritional value of foods were lacking in " glad to hear other people arent already queuing at the local jab centres. Human test project has never been on my list of to-do's . | |||
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"nothing to joke about when in the congo its spreading and looks horrific ...lets hope it dont make it to these shores in the first place tho there was a simular out break last year amongst a small gay/bi male group " Haha...thats total rubbish | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far" Ahhh stuff is just around the corner then | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far I think that's brilliant if you are able to do that. There's a clear narrative to shove more and more into our bodies but if you can manage without more power to you. the problem nowadays is the nutritional value of foods were lacking in glad to hear other people arent already queuing at the local jab centres. Human test project has never been on my list of to-do's . " Me too / Me neither | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far" Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. " What doesnt ki*l you makes you you stronger | |||
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"Nearly 50 years ago, some of us( not many lol) will remember HTLV-111. A virus that was ridiculed and dismissed as over reaction.. The slogan Silence=Death arrived ..This became known as Hiv and as a result the number of AIDS related deaths worldwide is a million each year and still the leading cause of death in some countries. The mpox virus appears to have similar beginnings to HTLV-111. Although I have had the series of vaccinations, I am not sure how effective this will be with the new strain.. oh so is the mpox strain man made too like the HIV? There is no evidence whatsoever that hiv was man made. Both viruses originate from Africa.. Rodents are passing the mpox virus on and it's young people who are dying at the moment..dont think theres any evidence too prove where it naturally originated either after all these years " There is evidence as to the origins of HIV. To the other poster, there is no evidence suggesting thst it was man made at all. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. What doesnt ki*l you makes you you stronger " Oddly enough that's a fallacy. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. What doesnt ki*l you makes you you stronger " Oh dear. Maybe ask a cancer survivor if they feel stronger than before diagnosis or someone who has had a major trauma. Maybe happy they are cured or in remission but stronger, probably not. But, but, but. If it makes you feel better thinking this way, as always, good luck to you. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. What doesnt ki*l you makes you you stronger " Interesting point. Wish I'd thought of that when I had chemo, radio therapy and finally surgery. Perhaps I should just have declined the treatment. What say you OP? | |||
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"I've worked in some of these countries and to see these poor people walking around with any variety of pox is a sad, sorry sight. Don't think any part of their fate is in anyway laughable. Their living conditions tends to be a breeding ground for all types of contagion, being undernourished, living 6 to a room, poor access to laundry, washing facilities and clean water, is a disaster for them. Poor education, poor healthcare and a general over arching corruption at local and national level makes their lives just manageable. The only time they seem to get serious help is when the overweight, educated, western folks like me and you get scared their terrible pox may reach our shores and then we demand help from our leaders while simultaneously cursing our healthcare and pharma companies. Wouldn't be too concerned as most of those horrible diseases that contaminate African States wouldn't do too well on or overfed, daily showered and sweet smelling carcasses. If you are really concerned you could always volunteer to go out and help. " This. Sadly, this is reality. | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. What doesnt ki*l you makes you you stronger " Sadly the scars left by trauma might appear ‘stronger’ than healthy tissue -but they are less flexible -or sensitive and often never stop hurting -that South Bavarian folk BS re-cycled by that sociopath Nietzche has been responsible for a lot of cruelty in the name of resilience. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. " Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! " It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly | |||
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"As from covid , my job had to carry on. Never had any jabs, and i wont be having any for this either. Simple if its my time to die The world is over crowded as it is. What will be, will be. Do you generally avoid any/all medical treatments? we personally do, our bodys are more than capable of looking after us if we look after our body, got to 35 with no issuesso far Up to 35 eh. Brilliant. If you can keep this up for another 50 years you win a coconut. Sadly, even those who try may not be successful but I wish you every luck in the world. " hence why i said we, it were by no means advise to anyone else just personal preference | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! " insulting to who tho, think thia is the point some are trying to make, if they personally choose to not be vaccinated against ect ect ect then why does that insult said vaccinated person, and id say that surgery and treatments are slightly different to vaccinations in this topic specifically | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! " Who is it insulting..? Hey ho. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly " Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. " An opposing view is bullying? You have to accept medical knowledge and experiential knowledge can, and does outweigh a saying that is frankly non-sensical for physical health; however, some may feel stronger psychologically (discounting ptsd obviously). | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. " As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. " exactly that and nowadays its never bewn easier for people to do their own research and make there own decision, but thats still wrong for some people if it doesn't align with their views. I couldnt care less whether you've had this that or them but try telling me i need them because you think you do thats just bizzare lol | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. exactly that and nowadays its never bewn easier for people to do their own research and make there own decision, but thats still wrong for some people if it doesn't align with their views. I couldnt care less whether you've had this that or them but try telling me i need them because you think you do thats just bizzare lol" Many people don't realise how much of communists they are. Society takes prevalence over an individual. We have to do what everyone else does, usually being dictated from a superior authority . Even thinking differently is seen as a threat to unity. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. " What you want and what others want may not always align. And it is a good thing to respect others choices. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. exactly that and nowadays its never bewn easier for people to do their own research and make there own decision, but thats still wrong for some people if it doesn't align with their views. I couldnt care less whether you've had this that or them but try telling me i need them because you think you do thats just bizzare lol" The art of doing one's own research is judging what is fact and what is bullshit. That requires an immense amount of knowledge of the subject you are researching, not a belief in what you want to find. | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. exactly that and nowadays its never bewn easier for people to do their own research and make there own decision, but thats still wrong for some people if it doesn't align with their views. I couldnt care less whether you've had this that or them but try telling me i need them because you think you do thats just bizzare lol The art of doing one's own research is judging what is fact and what is bullshit. That requires an immense amount of knowledge of the subject you are researching, not a belief in what you want to find." certainly does ypu are correct and theres plenty of that in the media, but suppose this is about personal choice so it comes down to personal belief not what someone else beleives is and tells you is true or bullshit | |||
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"It's interesting how many people seem incapable of accepting that some people like to do things "differently" and for that they are ganged up on, bullied, have the piss taken out of them. People are thankfully different. Why so much need to flex muscles and continue to poke fun? Seems rather lacking in comprehension and humanity. Probably because some of the nonsense on this thread is frankly insulting. But hey Ho! It's not just this thread, in the Virus section, sadly Well quite. I see it many threads. Feeling the need to insult and take the piss because some people choose to be different. It's not necessary, adds little of value to any debate and not something anyone would say face to face with eachother. As an HCP I want people to make informed decisions, to know the consequences of the aye or nay. What you want and what others want may not always align. And it is a good thing to respect others choices. " People have the right to make good choices or perceived poor choices = respecting others choices. What I don't have to respect are those people (on either side) try and force their choices onto others as being hobsons choice. | |||
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"Remember folks, the only difference between conspiracy theory and fact is time. At one point, we believed the universe revolved around the earth! It's personal choice as to what anyone is prepared to have put in their body, some will be comfortable with a jab or 8, others won't. Personally, I won't judge or get offended whatever the choice is for whoever I happen to be talking to about it Peace and love folks, peace and love. X " As wise man once said ^^^^ all of the above | |||
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"Imagine if , everybody takes it . And everyone dies. Then theres a few that was outcast from society for not having it - an they were the only people left. If half have it and half dont - bill gates will get his "population" numbers he wants so badly" Takes what? | |||
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"Imagine if , everybody takes it . And everyone dies. Then theres a few that was outcast from society for not having it - an they were the only people left. If half have it and half dont - bill gates will get his "population" numbers he wants so badly Takes what?" its fairly obvious he means the vax | |||
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"Imagine if , everybody takes it . And everyone dies. Then theres a few that was outcast from society for not having it - an they were the only people left. If half have it and half dont - bill gates will get his "population" numbers he wants so badly Takes what?its fairly obvious he means the vax" I wondered but when some people aren't specific, it could mean anything. The Smallpox vaccines have done very well, including helping to eradicate it. They may mean that one. A lot of people have had Smallpox vaccines and gained immunity from Mpox, though there are several variants. It's assumed that this newer variant would likely be controlled by the Smallpox vaccine but the countries in Africa are typically poorer than the nations with it and it's less affordable. I think the few thousand donated doses won't arrive there until a few months will have passed. The local populations are thus exposed to its increased exposure. And where it exists in ever higher numbers, it's got potential to get to other countries. | |||
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"Remember folks, the only difference between conspiracy theory and fact is time. At one point, we believed the universe revolved around the earth! It's personal choice as to what anyone is prepared to have put in their body, some will be comfortable with a jab or 8, others won't. Personally, I won't judge or get offended whatever the choice is for whoever I happen to be talking to about it Peace and love folks, peace and love. X " The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth. | |||
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"I'm just waiting for someone to blame mpox on 5G masts!" It's only a matter of time. This stuff is like records skipping. Bill Gates/ globalists/ the establishment want to take control because reasons and they're going to do it with (stuff they think will scare the market) and you can stop it from happening by giving us money/ standing up and saying NO like a toddler. If you read our stuff and masturbate furiously, then you will have done your own research and be one of the elite AWAKE. | |||
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"I'm just waiting for someone to blame mpox on 5G masts! It's only a matter of time. This stuff is like records skipping. Bill Gates/ globalists/ the establishment want to take control because reasons and they're going to do it with (stuff they think will scare the market) and you can stop it from happening by giving us money/ standing up and saying NO like a toddler. If you read our stuff and masturbate furiously, then you will have done your own research and be one of the elite AWAKE." u missed the rubber dingy riders out ffs🤦so close | |||
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"I'm just waiting for someone to blame mpox on 5G masts! It's only a matter of time. This stuff is like records skipping. Bill Gates/ globalists/ the establishment want to take control because reasons and they're going to do it with (stuff they think will scare the market) and you can stop it from happening by giving us money/ standing up and saying NO like a toddler. If you read our stuff and masturbate furiously, then you will have done your own research and be one of the elite AWAKE.u missed the rubber dingy riders out ffs🤦so close " mmm. I got the major hits. Besides, there's some degree of variation. It'll be dinghies in this country, it'll be hordes of genetically modified Chinese storming across the border to assist the Demoncrats in America. Which we must oppose because Alex Jones is a messenger of God and he knows that it will bring socialist communist poo poo tyranny let's pretend we know what words mean. I like my wank chat a bit more based in reality | |||
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" The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth." And it takes time to gather, collate and measure evidence. We were told by historians, archaeologists etc al that our society had only been around for circa 6-8000 years. Then Gobekli Tepi was discovered. The evidence of it's existence had been there for 12000 years, but it took time to discover it. Meanwhile, before Gobekli Tepi had actually been discovered, people were posting the theory that there was an advanced civilisation that existed before ours. They were labelled crackpots, conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat wearing nutjobs. Turns out though, they were right. It's just a matter of time. | |||
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" The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth. And it takes time to gather, collate and measure evidence. We were told by historians, archaeologists etc al that our society had only been around for circa 6-8000 years. Then Gobekli Tepi was discovered. The evidence of it's existence had been there for 12000 years, but it took time to discover it. Meanwhile, before Gobekli Tepi had actually been discovered, people were posting the theory that there was an advanced civilisation that existed before ours. They were labelled crackpots, conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat wearing nutjobs. Turns out though, they were right. It's just a matter of time. " Thankfully the enormous volume of evidence that we have today can guide us very helpfully, coupled with the scientific method, means that we have reduced dependency on conspiracy fantasists, compared with the olden times | |||
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" The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth. And it takes time to gather, collate and measure evidence. We were told by historians, archaeologists etc al that our society had only been around for circa 6-8000 years. Then Gobekli Tepi was discovered. The evidence of it's existence had been there for 12000 years, but it took time to discover it. Meanwhile, before Gobekli Tepi had actually been discovered, people were posting the theory that there was an advanced civilisation that existed before ours. They were labelled crackpots, conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat wearing nutjobs. Turns out though, they were right. It's just a matter of time. " Ah, the Galileo gambit. "They laughed at Galileo, therefore I shall be proven right!" Galileo had evidence. Many others they laughed at did not. Unless there's evidence rather than feelings, conspiracy theorists don't get to hang with Galileo, they get to hang out with the other clowns we laugh at. | |||
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"Remember folks, the only difference between conspiracy theory and fact is time. At one point, we believed the universe revolved around the earth! It's personal choice as to what anyone is prepared to have put in their body, some will be comfortable with a jab or 8, others won't. Personally, I won't judge or get offended whatever the choice is for whoever I happen to be talking to about it Peace and love folks, peace and love. X The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth." That's true. It's also true some people twist what they think is evidence to arrive at evidence led support for their position. Both sides are incapable to accept the possibility of anything other than their absolute truth. It works both ways and both are equally as bad as eachother and neither are as intelligent as they like to think they are. | |||
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" The main difference between conspiracy theory and fact is evidence. Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists tend to ignore evidence if it does not fit with their view of truth. And it takes time to gather, collate and measure evidence. We were told by historians, archaeologists etc al that our society had only been around for circa 6-8000 years. Then Gobekli Tepi was discovered. The evidence of it's existence had been there for 12000 years, but it took time to discover it. Meanwhile, before Gobekli Tepi had actually been discovered, people were posting the theory that there was an advanced civilisation that existed before ours. They were labelled crackpots, conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat wearing nutjobs. Turns out though, they were right. It's just a matter of time. Thankfully the enormous volume of evidence that we have today can guide us very helpfully, coupled with the scientific method, means that we have reduced dependency on conspiracy fantasists, compared with the olden times" Gobekli Tepi is a very recently discovered thing. Scientific methods were employed to date it. We have an enormous volume of evidence about the things we have discovered...but what about stuff we haven't? Everything starts off as a theory until evidence comes to light. Scientists posit theories all the time about all manner of things. Apart from "flat earthers" of course. Even their own experiments prove them wrong, yet they still have the rigid belief that the earth is flat! | |||
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