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With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2 |
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2"
I would just note this is only the first report of the inquiry which just covers how prepared we were, there will be several more covering management among other things.
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The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure |
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Personally I would rate them below zero, as so many of their actions were self-serving and just concerned with making personal profit out of the suffering of millions. Anything they did which had helpful results were purely accidental. Their version of "following the science" was to threaten the experts, cherry pick data, tell blatant lies. In terms of decision making, they would have been right more often if they had just tossed a coin.
So on a scale from zero (useless) to ten (successfully preserving the health of the nation), I would put them at minus 4 (worse than doing nothing at all, but at least they didn't deliberately kill everyone). |
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2
I would just note this is only the first report of the inquiry which just covers how prepared we were, there will be several more covering management among other things.
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2"
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We'd had critical reviews on readiness beforehand, cute to infrastructure and ignoring of reports that a Coronavirus epidemic had to be prepared for. Hunt and Hancock were negligent in their duties. |
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By (user no longer on site) 18 weeks ago
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Weve all seen the video where they practised a "corona virus" outbreak so considering they knew one might outbreak they did pretty shit so id give a 1 for turning up |
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"How many billions should we spend to prepared for the next one that may never happen ?
Would it ever be enough ?"
Like all budgets, it's better to have appropriate contingency measures, rather than ignoring urgent advice and spending years cutting essential public services, so that they're hardly fit for coping outside of an emergency. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 18 weeks ago
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared.
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The point is, they should have been
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared.
The point is, they should have been
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(Because tone doesn't exist in text: I'm agreeing and adding to what you're saying)
I feel that not being prepared for things like this might be penny wise, but it's pound foolish. (Not saying that we should have been prepared for precisely this disease, etc, more, pandemic measures existed and were disregarded, which probably meant we spent more and lost more lives) |
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2
Second this "
Prior to launching the inquiry, I would've given them this low score. The report merely cements it.
Typical Exploitation of a Situation,
Not a thought about the Population.
Enriching more than one Corporation,
To control was the Communication.
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared.
The point is, they should have been
(Because tone doesn't exist in text: I'm agreeing and adding to what you're saying)
I feel that not being prepared for things like this might be penny wise, but it's pound foolish. (Not saying that we should have been prepared for precisely this disease, etc, more, pandemic measures existed and were disregarded, which probably meant we spent more and lost more lives)"
This report on our preparedness really highlights how we were just unprepared, despite ample warnings. And the costs of this were catastrophically tragic.
It wasn't mediated by great management, once it arrived sadly. |
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Ask toms family i believe they took there share rest went straight to hospital trust not the gov and if the ppe was out of date or u s what else could they have done with it at the time all country’s wher buying and stock piling it up how many of them did the same |
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"Pretty much 100% proven to have come out of the lab, facts are in the public domain."
It's possible but far from 100%, it is unlikely we will know where it started. Just like we will never know 100% where spanish flu started. |
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Seemed mostly like an excuse to crush small business, sweep up literal fortunes in dodgy contracts, while putting the country onto further debt and spread fear.
However i did have 8 months of wfh that was fun |
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2"
Trouble is one single rating across the whole period is over simplifying. Though admittedly pandering to the socials.
It's also important to view it not with the benefit of hindsight nor along party political lines.
That said my mums torture and ultimate death at the hands of the NHS could have been avoided. Some of the behaviours in govt and their advisers and so called scientists, the police and the public were appalling beyond anyone's imagination. A few things were done well. But in the main they were, even in the heat of the moment, clowns. The notion that an airborne disease and any disease and the fact our own standards of hygiene had dropped so low wasn't a govt issue. Nobody needs to be told to cover their mouth when they cough as an example.
It was and continues to be a traumatic experience for many and some of it could absolutely have been avoided. But... It won't bring my mum back so time to move on. |
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By *ty31Man 18 weeks ago
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The government at the time didn't cover themselves in glory at all (wasted billions on PPE, hypocrisy, knee jerk panic, etc)
But
I do wonder if anything would have been better/less worse had Labour been in power? |
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By *ugby 123Couple 18 weeks ago
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"The government at the time didn't cover themselves in glory at all (wasted billions on PPE, hypocrisy, knee jerk panic, etc)
But
I do wonder if anything would have been better/less worse had Labour been in power?
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We will never know if labour would have ignored the warnings from operation cygnet in 2016 like the Tories did no.
I would have hoped any party in power would not have had a first thought of get in, we have a pandemic, lets see how much money we can make for a lot of people who have no experience in pandemics or PPE |
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"The government at the time didn't cover themselves in glory at all (wasted billions on PPE, hypocrisy, knee jerk panic, etc)
But
I do wonder if anything would have been better/less worse had Labour been in power?"
I doubt a different party would have led to different outcomes. It's not the party that actually governs. The interests behind it do so. Regardless of who is formally in power, these interests work more or less the same .
Besides, worldwide response to the pandemic was almost identical. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 18 weeks ago
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This report on our preparedness really highlights how we were just unprepared, despite ample warnings. And the costs of this were catastrophically tragic.
It wasn't mediated by great management, once it arrived sadly. "
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By *ony MannMan 18 weeks ago
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It's easy to look back now we know what COVID was but can anyone tell me what the next epidemic will be, how deadly will it be and what kind of treatment and protection will be needed?
I listened to the recommendations and they are the same as 90% of any report, add another layer of burocractic madness and blame them when it fails.
No one knows the future till it is lived and then we look back and ask why no-one acted. |
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"It's easy to look back now we know what COVID was but can anyone tell me what the next epidemic will be, how deadly will it be and what kind of treatment and protection will be needed?
I listened to the recommendations and they are the same as 90% of any report, add another layer of burocractic madness and blame them when it fails.
No one knows the future till it is lived and then we look back and ask why no-one acted."
A good point well made. Though for me It wasn't so much about the lack of preparedness, as how it was managed in the moment. The generally tardy response to shutting down movement into our country. The lack of pasta and toilet roll... And our declining standards of self hygiene. |
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Well that's the problem of votong for so called smaller government(s) that when bad things happen ?? and voting for tax cuts aswell ?? something has to give ? plus voting for a proven liar didn't help matters a great deal either ? and the add the complete busted flush that the "Private" sector can do everything better/faster and more effiecently ? so i'drate them at minus 10 as they were a bunch of self serving ....xx  |
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"Well that's the problem of votong for so called smaller government(s) that when bad things happen ?? and voting for tax cuts aswell ?? something has to give ? plus voting for a proven liar didn't help matters a great deal either ? and the add the complete busted flush that the "Private" sector can do everything better/faster and more effiecently ? so i'drate them at minus 10 as they were a bunch of self serving ....xx "
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"It's essential for us to learn, especially when something catastrophic happens. I'm certain that fewe lives could be lost, if this happens again. "
if this happens again im not so sure less lives will be lost, i really cant see as many people taking any notice of what there being told to do, and that not just in this country that will be all over the place
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"It's essential for us to learn, especially when something catastrophic happens. I'm certain that fewe lives could be lost, if this happens again. "
I don't think the aim is to learn anything. It's not about lack of knowledge in the first place . The actions of governments are sheer stupidity. They do as they are told to do.
If this happens again and surely it'll , even more lives will be lost. Not fewer. |
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
Brighton |
But ultimately where is the accountability? Who gets punished and in what way? How can Hancock be making bank after his performance? These inquiries are toothless.
What I want is to see all those who used their positions and contact to personally enrich themselves during an international crisis brought to justice. During WWII war profiteering was a criminal offence. Why isn’t pandemic profiteering?
Some people got very rich(er) thanks to the pandemic and govt policy/decisions. In no scenario is that correct or appropriate. In fact it was disgusting.
I am not talking about legitimate companies who had to slightly increase prices due to supply chain cost increases or securing huge contracts that they had the specialism and experience to deliver. But huge margin increases, finders fees etc.
Just one example…how the fuck did Hancock’s pub landlord mate secure a £20m contract to supply glass test tubes? Why has that not yet been investigated? Were there really no specialist glass test tube companies in the UK who could have fulfilled that contract? Makes me sick!
Last thing…I think laws should be passed that would see SpAds, officials, MPs, Ministers who break the rules govt put in place and expect the rest of us to follow facing big ramifications (looking at you Cummings). |
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"But ultimately where is the accountability? Who gets punished and in what way? How can Hancock be making bank after his performance? These inquiries are toothless.
What I want is to see all those who used their positions and contact to personally enrich themselves during an international crisis brought to justice. During WWII war profiteering was a criminal offence. Why isn’t pandemic profiteering?
Some people got very rich(er) thanks to the pandemic and govt policy/decisions. In no scenario is that correct or appropriate. In fact it was disgusting.
I am not talking about legitimate companies who had to slightly increase prices due to supply chain cost increases or securing huge contracts that they had the specialism and experience to deliver. But huge margin increases, finders fees etc.
Just one example…how the fuck did Hancock’s pub landlord mate secure a £20m contract to supply glass test tubes? Why has that not yet been investigated? Were there really no specialist glass test tube companies in the UK who could have fulfilled that contract? Makes me sick!
Last thing…I think laws should be passed that would see SpAds, officials, MPs, Ministers who break the rules govt put in place and expect the rest of us to follow facing big ramifications (looking at you Cummings)."
Aye there's the rub. Much like the post office scandal investigation. Nobody other than the victims are paying the price. Now Labour are in power hopefully they will be brutal in holding the fuckers to account. Let's see if any single one of them serves time or even a fine or even a public slap on the wrist would be a start. |
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"But ultimately where is the accountability? Who gets punished and in what way? How can Hancock be making bank after his performance? These inquiries are toothless.
What I want is to see all those who used their positions and contact to personally enrich themselves during an international crisis brought to justice. During WWII war profiteering was a criminal offence. Why isn’t pandemic profiteering?
Some people got very rich(er) thanks to the pandemic and govt policy/decisions. In no scenario is that correct or appropriate. In fact it was disgusting.
I am not talking about legitimate companies who had to slightly increase prices due to supply chain cost increases or securing huge contracts that they had the specialism and experience to deliver. But huge margin increases, finders fees etc.
Just one example…how the fuck did Hancock’s pub landlord mate secure a £20m contract to supply glass test tubes? Why has that not yet been investigated? Were there really no specialist glass test tube companies in the UK who could have fulfilled that contract? Makes me sick!
Last thing…I think laws should be passed that would see SpAds, officials, MPs, Ministers who break the rules govt put in place and expect the rest of us to follow facing big ramifications (looking at you Cummings).
Aye there's the rub. Much like the post office scandal investigation. Nobody other than the victims are paying the price. Now Labour are in power hopefully they will be brutal in holding the fuckers to account. Let's see if any single one of them serves time or even a fine or even a public slap on the wrist would be a start. "
Doesn't matter who is in power. It's all the same. As you said it, the victims are the ones to pay the price. Don't hold your breath for accountability.
Crisis is always the most flourishing opportunity to make money and impose control. |
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"But ultimately where is the accountability? Who gets punished and in what way? How can Hancock be making bank after his performance? These inquiries are toothless.
What I want is to see all those who used their positions and contact to personally enrich themselves during an international crisis brought to justice. During WWII war profiteering was a criminal offence. Why isn’t pandemic profiteering?
Some people got very rich(er) thanks to the pandemic and govt policy/decisions. In no scenario is that correct or appropriate. In fact it was disgusting.
I am not talking about legitimate companies who had to slightly increase prices due to supply chain cost increases or securing huge contracts that they had the specialism and experience to deliver. But huge margin increases, finders fees etc.
Just one example…how the fuck did Hancock’s pub landlord mate secure a £20m contract to supply glass test tubes? Why has that not yet been investigated? Were there really no specialist glass test tube companies in the UK who could have fulfilled that contract? Makes me sick!
Last thing…I think laws should be passed that would see SpAds, officials, MPs, Ministers who break the rules govt put in place and expect the rest of us to follow facing big ramifications (looking at you Cummings)."
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
Brighton |
"But ultimately where is the accountability? Who gets punished and in what way? How can Hancock be making bank after his performance? These inquiries are toothless.
What I want is to see all those who used their positions and contact to personally enrich themselves during an international crisis brought to justice. During WWII war profiteering was a criminal offence. Why isn’t pandemic profiteering?
Some people got very rich(er) thanks to the pandemic and govt policy/decisions. In no scenario is that correct or appropriate. In fact it was disgusting.
I am not talking about legitimate companies who had to slightly increase prices due to supply chain cost increases or securing huge contracts that they had the specialism and experience to deliver. But huge margin increases, finders fees etc.
Just one example…how the fuck did Hancock’s pub landlord mate secure a £20m contract to supply glass test tubes? Why has that not yet been investigated? Were there really no specialist glass test tube companies in the UK who could have fulfilled that contract? Makes me sick!
Last thing…I think laws should be passed that would see SpAds, officials, MPs, Ministers who break the rules govt put in place and expect the rest of us to follow facing big ramifications (looking at you Cummings).
Aye there's the rub. Much like the post office scandal investigation. Nobody other than the victims are paying the price. Now Labour are in power hopefully they will be brutal in holding the fuckers to account. Let's see if any single one of them serves time or even a fine or even a public slap on the wrist would be a start.
Doesn't matter who is in power. It's all the same. As you said it, the victims are the ones to pay the price. Don't hold your breath for accountability.
Crisis is always the most flourishing opportunity to make money and impose control."
Indeed and Jacob Reece-Smug’s father literally wrote the book on “disaster capitalism” |
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"With the publication of the COVID inquiry report, which wasn't much but very critical of the former government management of it, what's the Fab rating of them?
Out of 10, what would you rate the UK management of it?
I'd struggle to give a 2"
I'd give them a 5 as I was not prepared at all.
If the UK need to be prepared for things like this should it come at any cost.
I done some maths and comparing it with my house and its insurance the UK could spend £660 million a year. ISH |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure"
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people. |
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
Brighton |
"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people."
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions. |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people.
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions."
What's bizarre is if govt shut down flights there woukd be all kinds of gnashing of teeth. If some dodgy app stops flights... There's barely a headline. Ones a virus and the others a... Virus. Oh where will it end. |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people.
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions."
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
Brighton |
"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people.
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions.
What's bizarre is if govt shut down flights there woukd be all kinds of gnashing of teeth. If some dodgy app stops flights... There's barely a headline. Ones a virus and the others a... Virus. Oh where will it end. "
Lol (although I think the Microsoft thing was not a virus it was a security update from a third party that went wrong playing havoc with the OS).
I (a layperson) remember sitting watching TV news with Mrs B in early March saying “why haven’t we stopped flights from China, India, and Italy?” It was already clear to anyone with eyes at that point what was happening! |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people.
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions.
What's bizarre is if govt shut down flights there woukd be all kinds of gnashing of teeth. If some dodgy app stops flights... There's barely a headline. Ones a virus and the others a... Virus. Oh where will it end.
Lol (although I think the Microsoft thing was not a virus it was a security update from a third party that went wrong playing havoc with the OS).
I (a layperson) remember sitting watching TV news with Mrs B in early March saying “why haven’t we stopped flights from China, India, and Italy?” It was already clear to anyone with eyes at that point what was happening!"
And more to the point we were still sending flights of skiers out to Italy even though we knew it was the eye if the storm and they would be flying back again highly likely with the lurgy in a weeks time. Strange times. |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people.
Just to add…
Operation Cygnus in 2016 made a series of recommendations to the UK Govt on preparedness and reaction to a global pandemic. Jeremy Hunt then Health Secretary and the UK Govt ignored these recommendations.
They also ignored the learnings from other country’s action against SARS and MERS.
Nobody needed hindsight to see AT THE TIME that we needed to stop flights into the UK weeks earlier. After the PPE scandal and the transfer of sick old people back into Care Homes untested scandal, probably the other biggest issue was the prevarication displayed by Johnson to make decisive decisions.
What's bizarre is if govt shut down flights there woukd be all kinds of gnashing of teeth. If some dodgy app stops flights... There's barely a headline. Ones a virus and the others a... Virus. Oh where will it end.
Lol (although I think the Microsoft thing was not a virus it was a security update from a third party that went wrong playing havoc with the OS).
I (a layperson) remember sitting watching TV news with Mrs B in early March saying “why haven’t we stopped flights from China, India, and Italy?” It was already clear to anyone with eyes at that point what was happening!"
I was thinking the same as soon as the virus was in the news, I think it was February. I participated in certain organised events at a earlier date contrary to what I had planned, because I expected the virus would spread and the following similar events would be cancelled.
Flighs should've been stopped earlier, December perhaps , if it was then when governments knew about this virus .
Schools should've been closed much earlier as well, but for shorter time, say a month.Just to see what was happening. I had decided to withdraw my kids from school after waiting patiently, but then it was announced schools would be closed.
However, all these subsequent lock downs were ridiculous . When they locked our tennis courts, this is when I realised how stupid everything was.
Equally ridiculous was reopening the economy with a bang, "Eat out to help out!", a few months later. Only to get locked again in autumn .
Instead of just live a bit more cautiously without roller coaster highs and lows.
Pathetic handling of the pandemic! No chance people will ever believe a word governments say.But then, the latter will come up with even more menacing threats and will pass even more draconian legislation.
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared. yes things could of been done differently but we just didnt know , was it man made in a lab in chine we will probbbly never know for sure
They were warned 4 years prior to COVID, that we would be in problems if there were to be another pandemic. As usual the Tories did nothing, they didn't care. It's the same around child poverty. They have advisors who warned and warned and now look at the mess they created. I'll never forget one of them being proud that there are now so many good banks. The majority of Tories did not care about normal people."
Let the bodies pile high, as the sickening PM at the time was reported as his callous retort.
They'd had ample warning and time to prepare, which was essentially important, following the severe cuts to health and social care services. They chose to do nothing. |
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See the thing is. There weren't many nations that were "prepared". And how much are we prepared to pay for govt preparing for every eventuality that all the jonahs warn us against all the time ? I'm not sure that argument holds very much water. Unless there are examples where any particular nation was well prepared (whatever that actually means) and that their preparedness led to significantly better outcomes. Not just at the time but now and into the future which is where I continue to see the biggest damage to our nation. No. For me the biggest criticism is some of the diabolical secret decision making, the awarding of contracts to buddies and families, some of the ridiculous "science led" policies and yes the harm and deaths that could have been avoided by stronger and quicker and more common sense choices. Fuck me nobody needed to have a science degree to realise we needed to wash our hands and distance a bit to help avoid spreading it. |
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea"
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims. |
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims. "
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid |
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By *irldnCouple 17 weeks ago
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid "
Which goes back to my earlier point that the UK Govt didn’t learn from the lived experience of those countries in the Far East that experienced SARS.
Being prepared doesn’t mean having stocks of unused PPE or mothballed hospitals. It means having a plan you can quickly put into action including pre-secured supply chains for call-off. It means already knowing how to ramp up hospital capacity. It mens having protocols in place for every foreseeable thing, including behaviours for Ministers and advisors and to ensure messaging is clear. |
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid
Which goes back to my earlier point that the UK Govt didn’t learn from the lived experience of those countries in the Far East that experienced SARS.
Being prepared doesn’t mean having stocks of unused PPE or mothballed hospitals. It means having a plan you can quickly put into action including pre-secured supply chains for call-off. It means already knowing how to ramp up hospital capacity. It mens having protocols in place for every foreseeable thing, including behaviours for Ministers and advisors and to ensure messaging is clear."
Agreed.
They also had a track and trace system and detailed surveillance that worked and were not adverse to changing what they were doing as the virus evolved.
We had wash your hands and lets see how much money we can make out of this.
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid
Which goes back to my earlier point that the UK Govt didn’t learn from the lived experience of those countries in the Far East that experienced SARS.
Being prepared doesn’t mean having stocks of unused PPE or mothballed hospitals. It means having a plan you can quickly put into action including pre-secured supply chains for call-off. It means already knowing how to ramp up hospital capacity. It mens having protocols in place for every foreseeable thing, including behaviours for Ministers and advisors and to ensure messaging is clear."
You mean all of the things that were discussed during the (WEF) World economics forum global pandemic preparedness exercise that was called Event 201 back in october 2019 only months before the pandemic hit,which was theorising how to deal with a global pandemic with a novel coronavirus that came from pigs.
https://youtu.be/Vm1-DnxRiPM?
The whole event was live streamed and well worth a watch.
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid "
No I'm saying that phrase is often used to legitimise claims and statements... A bit like... "science led" in many posts and media statements especially around the covid chapter. And yes of
course the way people word things on a chat board is significant. It's all we've got.
I think the main point now is... If it all kicked off again tomorrow or in 20 years.. would we be able to live through it any better than the first time because weve learned and applied those learnings. I somehow doubt it. |
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid
No I'm saying that phrase is often used to legitimise claims and statements... A bit like... "science led" in many posts and media statements especially around the covid chapter. And yes of
course the way people word things on a chat board is significant. It's all we've got.
I think the main point now is... If it all kicked off again tomorrow or in 20 years.. would we be able to live through it any better than the first time because weve learned and applied those learnings. I somehow doubt it. "
The inquiry SHOULD result in the Govt taking action against the recommendations. I’ll say again, they SHOULD! Will they? |
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"The last time anything like this happened, was 1918/1919 over 100 years ago, so in hindsight we can all criticise we should of done this or that, no one was prepared.
The point is, they should have been
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How can anyone prepare for the unknown? |
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"According to reports,when Covid-19 came around, Singapore was, it seems, ready. Along with Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea
"according to reports" the journalists get out of jail free card for typing any old claims.
Oh I see, you think I am making something up by how I worded it?
If you google what I had written there will be an interesting article on how these countries dealt with Covid
No I'm saying that phrase is often used to legitimise claims and statements... A bit like... "science led" in many posts and media statements especially around the covid chapter. And yes of
course the way people word things on a chat board is significant. It's all we've got.
I think the main point now is... If it all kicked off again tomorrow or in 20 years.. would we be able to live through it any better than the first time because weve learned and applied those learnings. I somehow doubt it.
The inquiry SHOULD result in the Govt taking action against the recommendations. I’ll say again, they SHOULD! Will they?"
. I'm guessing that they will state their intentions to. It'll be up to us to ensure that they do.
There's a post about preparing for the unknown. They are confusing the absolute lack of knowing the specifics, when much is clearly predictable and reasonable to do. |
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