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"There are only 15 people on this forum that give a fuck. " So? That's 15 people that do give a fuck. Enough for a decent orgy. Hopefully all fully vaxxed so that they won't get heart attacks when they're on the short strokes... | |||
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"There are only 15 people on this forum that give a fuck. So? That's 15 people that do give a fuck. Enough for a decent orgy. Hopefully all fully vaxxed so that they won't get heart attacks when they're on the short strokes..." lol | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth "Eh? | |||
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"I'm curious as to why something of this significance this has been reported via a letter in the journal as opposed to published as a full journal article. I'm not sure many people cite letters as evidence of anything... Maybe on twitter but not in the academic world in my experience. " I suspect it's to get early circulation of information and will be followed up in due course with full journal articles. This is not unusual in my experience, where a letter can get published in the next issue of a journal if deemed to be important even if preliminary data, whereas a full article will often take a year or more to go through the peer review process. With the pandemic still ongoing, my opinion is that timeliness of publication must be given consideration and balance against the full rigour of the publishing process. [Which is certainly not to say that crap from utterly untrustworthy sources should be awarded the same level of credence...] | |||
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"That’s a very selective quote though. I’m pro vaccine by the way - but the quote is about people who caught covid. That’s a whole separate issue to the anti-vax people’s concerns. They care about the effect of the vaccine on heart health for healthy people. Eg in the non-covid population does it make you more at risk compared to not having it? Your quote doesn’t answer or address that. Once again I’m pro-vaccine. I just don’t think your point will do anything to address skeptics concerns." Given that there is now zero legal requirement for any contagion control measures, that less than 1% of the population take any personal measures to protect themselves, and that those 1% often find themselves at the brunt of ridicule and even attack because of their attempts to protect themselves, it has to be considered that by now it is a majority of the population that have caught covid at least once, and many have suffered multiple infections. Any measuring of vaccine risk to non-covid population has probably been impossible for at least a year now, as finding the non-covid population is fast becoming as difficult as finding the mythical fab unicorn... Anybody that is unvaccinated that claims to have never caught covid must have been living in a bubble for the past three years. Even those who are fully vaccinated and who take the best precautions they can to avoid infection are now fantastically lucky if they have never been exposed. Anti-vax concern for the effects of vaccines on the non-covid population? There is no non-covid population. | |||
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"Just when we thought this forum was dying a death (sic)" This bit of the forum got vaccinated, so it's prob gonna last a good long time. (Unlike the bit of the forum that didn't get vaccinated. That 1 died.) | |||
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"That’s a very selective quote though. I’m pro vaccine by the way - but the quote is about people who caught covid. That’s a whole separate issue to the anti-vax people’s concerns. They care about the effect of the vaccine on heart health for healthy people. Eg in the non-covid population does it make you more at risk compared to not having it? Your quote doesn’t answer or address that. Once again I’m pro-vaccine. I just don’t think your point will do anything to address skeptics concerns." A couple of points - 1. Statistical power is wonderful. Having large data to analyse provides fantastic and meaningful results. 2. The sceptics who have gone inside the conspiracy cess pit, are mostly unlikely to be swayed by much that doesn't meet their confirmation biases. | |||
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"That’s a very selective quote though. I’m pro vaccine by the way - but the quote is about people who caught covid. That’s a whole separate issue to the anti-vax people’s concerns. They care about the effect of the vaccine on heart health for healthy people. Eg in the non-covid population does it make you more at risk compared to not having it? Your quote doesn’t answer or address that. Once again I’m pro-vaccine. I just don’t think your point will do anything to address skeptics concerns. Given that there is now zero legal requirement for any contagion control measures, that less than 1% of the population take any personal measures to protect themselves, and that those 1% often find themselves at the brunt of ridicule and even attack because of their attempts to protect themselves, it has to be considered that by now it is a majority of the population that have caught covid at least once, and many have suffered multiple infections. Any measuring of vaccine risk to non-covid population has probably been impossible for at least a year now, as finding the non-covid population is fast becoming as difficult as finding the mythical fab unicorn... Anybody that is unvaccinated that claims to have never caught covid must have been living in a bubble for the past three years. Even those who are fully vaccinated and who take the best precautions they can to avoid infection are now fantastically lucky if they have never been exposed. Anti-vax concern for the effects of vaccines on the non-covid population? There is no non-covid population." I must be that unicorn then | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth "Would you trust such a publication where Funding is provided by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Bill Gates wants to decrease world population and also visited Epstein Island for meals only. No need to say any more. | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth
Would you trust such a publication where Funding is provided by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Bill Gates wants to decrease world population and also visited Epstein Island for meals only. No need to say any more."Oh how we’ve missed these sort of posts. #comedygold | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth
Would you trust such a publication where Funding is provided by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Bill Gates wants to decrease world population and also visited Epstein Island for meals only. No need to say any more.
Oh how we’ve missed these sort of posts. #comedygold "Laugh away you can go first | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth
Would you trust such a publication where Funding is provided by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Bill Gates wants to decrease world population and also visited Epstein Island for meals only. No need to say any more.
Oh how we’ve missed these sort of posts. #comedygold "Sad that you can laugh at this. You respond like you know everything and believe it to be correct. That is the only comedy here. You stick to the mrna shot which gives you little to no protection, and I'll stick to natural immunity which only now are media outlets and studies are showing/confirming gives you long periods of protection. | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.""
Ironically the ONS published today the following Paper-Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 1 April 2021 and 31 December 2022.
Check it out on the ONS Website.
Basically- All-cause mortality is higher in unvaccinated population than in those who have ever had a Covid Vax.
Despite the reduction in Covid deaths and longer period for so-called 'serious vaccine injuries' to manifest, death from any cause remains higher in unvaxxed throughout 2022- and this is also despite unvaxxed people being exposed to Covid. | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
Ironically the ONS published today the following Paper-Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 1 April 2021 and 31 December 2022.
Check it out on the ONS Website.
Basically- All-cause mortality is higher in unvaccinated population than in those who have ever had a Covid Vax.
Despite the reduction in Covid deaths and longer period for so-called 'serious vaccine injuries' to manifest, death from any cause remains higher in unvaxxed throughout 2022- and this is also despite unvaxxed people being exposed to Covid. "Problem is if you keel over within two weeks which the dead graph indicates you’re classified as unvaccinated. | |||
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"All I know is I don't personally know anyone who died after having the vaccination, but I do know Five individuals, including my Brother in Law, who never had the vaccination and died after contracting Covid." I'm v sorry to hear that 
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
Ironically the ONS published today the following Paper-Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 1 April 2021 and 31 December 2022.
Check it out on the ONS Website.
Basically- All-cause mortality is higher in unvaccinated population than in those who have ever had a Covid Vax.
Despite the reduction in Covid deaths and longer period for so-called 'serious vaccine injuries' to manifest, death from any cause remains higher in unvaxxed throughout 2022- and this is also despite unvaxxed people being exposed to Covid.
Problem is if you keel over within two weeks which the dead graph indicates you’re classified as unvaccinated. "Where does it state this? | |||
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"Sad but I would have to agree with OP. My husband and his brothers since getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine all have similar heart issues. The only commonality is the vaccine and covid. Yet their sister didn't get the vaccine and she is fine. " the op poster was saying that your less likely to have heart issues if you had the vaccine,something the research supports | |||
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"That’s a very selective quote though. I’m pro vaccine by the way - but the quote is about people who caught covid. That’s a whole separate issue to the anti-vax people’s concerns. They care about the effect of the vaccine on heart health for healthy people. Eg in the non-covid population does it make you more at risk compared to not having it? Your quote doesn’t answer or address that. Once again I’m pro-vaccine. I just don’t think your point will do anything to address skeptics concerns. Given that there is now zero legal requirement for any contagion control measures, that less than 1% of the population take any personal measures to protect themselves, and that those 1% often find themselves at the brunt of ridicule and even attack because of their attempts to protect themselves, it has to be considered that by now it is a majority of the population that have caught covid at least once, and many have suffered multiple infections. Any measuring of vaccine risk to non-covid population has probably been impossible for at least a year now, as finding the non-covid population is fast becoming as difficult as finding the mythical fab unicorn... Anybody that is unvaccinated that claims to have never caught covid must have been living in a bubble for the past three years. Even those who are fully vaccinated and who take the best precautions they can to avoid infection are now fantastically lucky if they have never been exposed. Anti-vax concern for the effects of vaccines on the non-covid population? There is no non-covid population." Yawn! | |||
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"That’s a very selective quote though. I’m pro vaccine by the way - but the quote is about people who caught covid. That’s a whole separate issue to the anti-vax people’s concerns. They care about the effect of the vaccine on heart health for healthy people. Eg in the non-covid population does it make you more at risk compared to not having it? Your quote doesn’t answer or address that. Once again I’m pro-vaccine. I just don’t think your point will do anything to address skeptics concerns. A couple of points - 1. Statistical power is wonderful. Having large data to analyse provides fantastic and meaningful results. 2. The sceptics who have gone inside the conspiracy cess pit, are mostly unlikely to be swayed by much that doesn't meet their confirmation biases. " Doesn’t acknowledge the point though does it | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
Ironically the ONS published today the following Paper-Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 1 April 2021 and 31 December 2022.
Check it out on the ONS Website.
Basically- All-cause mortality is higher in unvaccinated population than in those who have ever had a Covid Vax.
Despite the reduction in Covid deaths and longer period for so-called 'serious vaccine injuries' to manifest, death from any cause remains higher in unvaxxed throughout 2022- and this is also despite unvaxxed people being exposed to Covid.
Problem is if you keel over within two weeks which the dead graph indicates you’re classified as unvaccinated. "Quote from the study Vaccination status is based on the number of doses received (one, two or three or more) and the time since that dose. From the day of vaccination, the individual will be classed as vaccinated. | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news." | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news." that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination. | |||
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"Sad but I would have to agree with OP. My husband and his brothers since getting the Johnson and Johnson vaccine all have similar heart issues. The only commonality is the vaccine and covid. Yet their sister didn't get the vaccine and she is fine. " Um... that actually means you disagree with the OP. Read it again & you might see where you've gone wrong. | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news.that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination. "I wish I could post a link but our sneaky nasty little government but these are the categories. Arthur Daley could have come up with a more misleading system. Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of: unvaccinated vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or booster vaccination vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination For the age-breakdowns, due to low numbers, the “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination” and “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination” are combined into: vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days after second vaccination We also include an "Ever vaccinated" category, which includes anyone who has had at least 1 dose of the vaccine, regardless of further doses. This was copy and pasted from their spreadsheet, now the "Ever Vaccinated" category should be of particular interest the excess deaths of working age people pointed out by Ed Dowd are those one just one dose, so what are the boosters doing | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news.that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination.
I wish I could post a link but our sneaky nasty little government but these are the categories. Arthur Daley could have come up with a more misleading system.
Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of:
unvaccinated
vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or booster vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination
For the age-breakdowns, due to low numbers, the “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination” and “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination” are combined into:
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days after second vaccination
We also include an "Ever vaccinated" category, which includes anyone who has had at least 1 dose of the vaccine, regardless of further doses.
This was copy and pasted from their spreadsheet, now the "Ever Vaccinated" category should be of particular interest the excess deaths of working age people pointed out by Ed Dowd are those one just one dose, so what are the boosters doing
"those cohorts feel sensible. I'm not sure why that's missleading. At at no point does one become unvaccinated due to just having a vaccine. I've not been able to find the ed dowd thing you are taking about, so a sensible title to search on would be top | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news.that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination.
I wish I could post a link but our sneaky nasty little government but these are the categories. Arthur Daley could have come up with a more misleading system.
Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of:
unvaccinated
vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or booster vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination
For the age-breakdowns, due to low numbers, the “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination” and “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination” are combined into:
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days after second vaccination
We also include an "Ever vaccinated" category, which includes anyone who has had at least 1 dose of the vaccine, regardless of further doses.
This was copy and pasted from their spreadsheet, now the "Ever Vaccinated" category should be of particular interest the excess deaths of working age people pointed out by Ed Dowd are those one just one dose, so what are the boosters doing
those cohorts feel sensible. I'm not sure why that's missleading. At at no point does one become unvaccinated due to just having a vaccine.
I've not been able to find the ed dowd thing you are taking about, so a sensible title to search on would be top " | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news.that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination.
I wish I could post a link but our sneaky nasty little government but these are the categories. Arthur Daley could have come up with a more misleading system.
Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of:
unvaccinated
vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or booster vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination
For the age-breakdowns, due to low numbers, the “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination” and “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination” are combined into:
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days after second vaccination
We also include an "Ever vaccinated" category, which includes anyone who has had at least 1 dose of the vaccine, regardless of further doses.
This was copy and pasted from their spreadsheet, now the "Ever Vaccinated" category should be of particular interest the excess deaths of working age people pointed out by Ed Dowd are those one just one dose, so what are the boosters doing
those cohorts feel sensible. I'm not sure why that's missleading. At at no point does one become unvaccinated due to just having a vaccine.
I've not been able to find the ed dowd thing you are taking about, so a sensible title to search on would be top ". Try using different search engine Brave brings him straight up. As for the ONS spreadsheet it confirms what he says. | |||
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" As soon as you take a booster you are considered unvaxxed for 14 days. Look up Ed Dowd, with Blackrock, he's a mathematical genius and some numbers don't lie, unlike politicians and people who became millionaires on the back of this scam. All i can say is the only way I'll take it is by force and then I expect I'll be on the news.that's an American definition. ONS unvaccinated menas never had a vaccination.
I wish I could post a link but our sneaky nasty little government but these are the categories. Arthur Daley could have come up with a more misleading system.
Vaccination status is defined on each day for each person and is one of:
unvaccinated
vaccinated with first dose only, less than 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first dose only, at least 21 days after first vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, less than 21 days after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, less than 21 days after third or booster vaccination
vaccinated with at least first, second and third dose and/or booster, at least 21 days after third or booster vaccination
For the age-breakdowns, due to low numbers, the “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days but less than 6 months after second vaccination” and “vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 6 months after second vaccination” are combined into:
vaccinated with first and second doses, at least 21 days after second vaccination
We also include an "Ever vaccinated" category, which includes anyone who has had at least 1 dose of the vaccine, regardless of further doses.
This was copy and pasted from their spreadsheet, now the "Ever Vaccinated" category should be of particular interest the excess deaths of working age people pointed out by Ed Dowd are those one just one dose, so what are the boosters doing
those cohorts feel sensible. I'm not sure why that's missleading. At at no point does one become unvaccinated due to just having a vaccine.
I've not been able to find the ed dowd thing you are taking about, so a sensible title to search on would be top .
Try using different search engine Brave brings him straight up. As for the ONS spreadsheet it confirms what he says. "I use ddg. I can find him bit want to find the specific articles you are talking about some can have a conversation. | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."" Sorry i dont follow that quote. Its missing a bit. Fewer than what exactly? | |||
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"All I know is I don't personally know anyone who died after having the vaccination, but I do know Five individuals, including my Brother in Law, who never had the vaccination and died after contracting Covid." Opposite here. I know 5 people suffering with health issues stemming from getting the covid jabs, 2 were pretty serious. All of them still got covid anyway afterwards(and some before). No one I know had more than a miserable few days getting actual covid however. | |||
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"All I know is I don't personally know anyone who died after having the vaccination, but I do know Five individuals, including my Brother in Law, who never had the vaccination and died after contracting Covid.Opposite here. I know 5 people suffering with health issues stemming from getting the covid jabs, 2 were pretty serious. All of them still got covid anyway afterwards(and some before). No one I know had more than a miserable few days getting actual covid however. " And you can have absolute certainty that the health issues were from the vaccine, rather than from the before or after infection with a virus that permeates the entire body, destroys hundreds of millions of cells, inflames organs, hides inside bones for months, causes micro-clots in the brain, exhausts the resources of the immune system with the constant fighting.... | |||
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" Don't let "Facts" stand in the way of anything !! bit like "Fox News" lying to their viewers.... "Fox News lying? Rupert Murdoch would never allow that. | |||
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" Don't let "Facts" stand in the way of anything !! bit like "Fox News" lying to their viewers....
Fox News lying?
Rupert Murdoch would never allow that."Have you seen the progress of the Dominion lawsuit? *popcorn* | |||
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"All you have to do is look at the statistics outside of the COVID jabs. Excess deaths way up in like every country. Cardiovascular issues through the roof. Coincidence I guess. Nobody that pushed these on you is now going to say oh by the way bad news.... This will all be something that'll slip it's way passed everyone and into accepted normality when it all emerges in like 15 years
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"Scamdemic finished now. Just finishing of the overhyped Ukraine bollocks then onto the green agenda. All of the above simply disappear if you don't watch the news x" • People losing their lives, loved ones and facing despair — "overhyped Ukraine bollocks"?? Really?? Have a re-think about that on your comfortable armchair, miles away from any existential gametes  | |||
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"All I know is I don't personally know anyone who died after having the vaccination, but I do know Five individuals, including my Brother in Law, who never had the vaccination and died after contracting Covid.Opposite here. I know 5 people suffering with health issues stemming from getting the covid jabs, 2 were pretty serious. All of them still got covid anyway afterwards(and some before). No one I know had more than a miserable few days getting actual covid however. And you can have absolute certainty that the health issues were from the vaccine, rather than from the before or after infection with a virus that permeates the entire body, destroys hundreds of millions of cells, inflames organs, hides inside bones for months, causes micro-clots in the brain, exhausts the resources of the immune system with the constant fighting...." Starting with ‘all I know is’ is generally not the language of someone who is stating anything with any certainty! Luckily the vaccine just enters your body and stays right where it is …  | |||
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"No jabs no problems people that have been jabbed nothing but issues or dead yeah brilliant analysis of lies on the letter as if they are going to tell you the truth "The jabbed trying to justifie there mistakes | |||
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" Anti-vax concern for the effects of vaccines on the non-covid population? There is no non-covid population." Unjabbed, never had covid and have been flying round the world the past 3 years | |||
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"Even the lancet is now under scrutiny for having a conflict of interest the gullible have taken an experimental vaccine for something they didn’t need excess deaths are higher then the hight of the pandemic but why is that not reported " source for this claim ? | |||
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"Even the lancet is now under scrutiny for having a conflict of interest the gullible have taken an experimental vaccine for something they didn’t need excess deaths are higher then the hight of the pandemic but why is that not reported " Regardless of the rest of it. Excess deaths are not higher than at the height of the pandemic. In fact they are not even close. | |||
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"Sorry to disappoint a few of the vaccine conspiracy theorists, but the missing word in the headline is "fewer". To quote from the research letter "Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients with COVID-19 Infection," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology on February 20: "Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."" Yawning ready | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on....." If discussion of this nature bothers you, maybe the virus forum isn't for you? | |||
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"Scamdemic finished now. Just finishing of the overhyped Ukraine bollocks then onto the green agenda. All of the above simply disappear if you don't watch the news x Several 100’000 killed in a conflict in Europe with the very real potential of going nuclear, sure it’s hardly even newsworthy that is it nope its not newsworthy, war in the furthest part of europe u can get so not affecting us and well if it goes nuclear no one will be worrying about anything"First land war in Europe since the end of the second world war. Not newsworthy. Well. That's a take. | |||
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"Scamdemic finished now. Just finishing of the overhyped Ukraine bollocks then onto the green agenda. All of the above simply disappear if you don't watch the news x Several 100’000 killed in a conflict in Europe with the very real potential of going nuclear, sure it’s hardly even newsworthy that is it nope its not newsworthy, war in the furthest part of europe u can get so not affecting us and well if it goes nuclear no one will be worrying about anything
First land war in Europe since the end of the second world war. Not newsworthy.
Well. That's a take."oh yea and not first war in europe since ww2 u forgot about former yugoslavia remember that? Nato destroying the infastructure and spraying depleted uranium about | |||
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"Maybey to you but wats going on in the oppisite side of europe isnt that much intrest to most, yea you will get those who get there panties in a twist about everything worrying about it but in the real world i never hear people mention it, to busy with other stuff going on in there own lives to bother about a war on the other side of the continent, so not newsworthy to most" You're most welcome to gaze at your navel if you choose. To ignore high energy prices, as one thing on your doorstep that's affected by the Ukraine war. Even if genocide on this continent doesn't trouble you. Personally, I don't care what a majority think about anything and I do as I choose. For me, independent thinking is vital to being an adult. | |||
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"Maybey to you but wats going on in the oppisite side of europe isnt that much intrest to most, yea you will get those who get there panties in a twist about everything worrying about it but in the real world i never hear people mention it, to busy with other stuff going on in there own lives to bother about a war on the other side of the continent, so not newsworthy to most You're most welcome to gaze at your navel if you choose. To ignore high energy prices, as one thing on your doorstep that's affected by the Ukraine war. Even if genocide on this continent doesn't trouble you. Personally, I don't care what a majority think about anything and I do as I choose. For me, independent thinking is vital to being an adult." hahaha gazing at my navel pmsl, and as far as energy prices are going ive been warm all winter thanks, and no wats going on in ukraine dosent bother me same as what went on in iraq afghan or syria didnt bother me either, be carefull up there on your high horse u may fall off  | |||
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"Scamdemic finished now. Just finishing of the overhyped Ukraine bollocks then onto the green agenda. All of the above simply disappear if you don't watch the news x Several 100’000 killed in a conflict in Europe with the very real potential of going nuclear, sure it’s hardly even newsworthy that is it nope its not newsworthy, war in the furthest part of europe u can get so not affecting us and well if it goes nuclear no one will be worrying about anything"• That's quite a myopic view. I wish you no ill, but keep in mind that if ever you seriously stub your toe to the point that "compartment syndrome" kicks in or even gangrene, don't worry about it: it's at the end of your body, far far away from your torso to even care about (it's not 'care-worthy'), when it finally catches up with your vital organs. The war in Europe/Ukraine is exactly that: it's in Europe and not far away in Polynesia. Sometimes giving a shit takes too much effort for some people. But it's well worth it in the long run. It's newsworthy. It matters. | |||
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That's quite a myopic view.
I wish you no ill, but keep in mind that if ever you seriously stub your toe to the point that "compartment syndrome" kicks in or even gangrene, don't worry about it: it's at the end of your body, far far away from your torso to even care about (it's not 'care-worthy'), when it finally catches up with your vital organs.
The war in Europe/Ukraine is exactly that: it's in Europe and not far away in Polynesia.
Sometimes giving a shit takes too much effort for some people. But it's well worth it in the long run.
It's newsworthy.
It matters."it matters to you it dosent matter to a lot of other people,you want it beamed into your living plenty of others dont,and wtf are you prattling on about stubbing my toe and getting gangrene??of course that would affect me its my body, a country thats barely in europe dosent bother me | |||
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"Is it a conspiracy to be suspicious of media and governments that are lobbied and sponsored by the people selling the drugs they want us to take? Honestly you'd be an idiot to go along unthinkingly based on what is in the news. Just look at how they reported on the missing people.cases as of late! How they fail to show the true extend of horror in the Ukraine war! Don't try and tell us they have our interests at heart or are open and honest. Covid was used by many to make themselves rich, including pharma companies selling placebos to fools who thought it would help." And breath... | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on....." 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know " Undertakers won't know the cause of a death | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know " 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures. | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures." Those statistics aren't actually accurate though. They've been over"estimated". | |||
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"Scamdemic finished now. Just finishing of the overhyped Ukraine bollocks then onto the green agenda. All of the above simply disappear if you don't watch the news x Several 100’000 killed in a conflict in Europe with the very real potential of going nuclear, sure it’s hardly even newsworthy that is it nope its not newsworthy, war in the furthest part of europe u can get so not affecting us and well if it goes nuclear no one will be worrying about anything"If you think Ukraine war has not affected us and will not affect us more then frankly I’m baffled how you even manage to tie your own shoelaces! Certainly far more news worthy than the result of any football match, who won what Oscar or which celebrity is having an affair. Ps you are far from guaranteed instant death during a full scale nuclear exchange, even if you are only 1 mile from the nearest blast, plenty of people will have plenty of time to contemplate. | |||
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"Maybey to you but wats going on in the oppisite side of europe isnt that much intrest to most, yea you will get those who get there panties in a twist about everything worrying about it but in the real world i never hear people mention it, to busy with other stuff going on in there own lives to bother about a war on the other side of the continent, so not newsworthy to most" If you take the argument “its outside my life so I don’t care” presumably the only thing you can consider newsworthy is the answers to the question what’s for my tea…. I guess for many it’s less intimidating to stick to juvenile conversations around celebrities and sports than join in with the grown ups. | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... If discussion of this nature bothers you, maybe the virus forum isn't for you?" It's not a case of it bothering us, so just to remind you, these forums are here for us and anyone else to air their views on a wide range of subjects, anyone can read any forum subject as many times as they wish, what bothers us and many other people is when subjects like this one drag on forever and ever, flogged to death, saturated, whatever tag you want to put on it? Whatever anybody's opinion is on covid, vaccines, data, science, etc, there will always be someone to contradict it with something else, so if you've had the jabs, not had the jabs, pro-vaccine, or anti-vax, just let it be, think yourself privileged to still be here in order to be able to have your say, and move on with life, something that the unfortunate souls that did pass away because of covid won't get the chance of doing..... | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... If discussion of this nature bothers you, maybe the virus forum isn't for you? It's not a case of it bothering us, so just to remind you, these forums are here for us and anyone else to air their views on a wide range of subjects, anyone can read any forum subject as many times as they wish, what bothers us and many other people is when subjects like this one drag on forever and ever, flogged to death, saturated, whatever tag you want to put on it? Whatever anybody's opinion is on covid, vaccines, data, science, etc, there will always be someone to contradict it with something else, so if you've had the jabs, not had the jabs, pro-vaccine, or anti-vax, just let it be, think yourself privileged to still be here in order to be able to have your say, and move on with life, something that the unfortunate souls that did pass away because of covid won't get the chance of doing....." So we can all discuss whatever we want in the forum, but you don't like this discussion in the forum, therefore we should stop? No ta. If you don't like the section, don't look. | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures." Who on this earth told you that 96% of over 12s had at least 1 jab? You have been tricked yet again…well done. | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures. Who on this earth told you that 96% of over 12s had at least 1 jab? You have been tricked yet again…well done. " whats the real number ? | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures. Who on this earth told you that 96% of over 12s had at least 1 jab? You have been tricked yet again…well done. whats the real number ?" Roughly 3-4 million adults declined the vaccine. All data based on estimates and models. There was some data that come out recently that suggested the number vaccinated was massively over estimated, based on a model. Just at my workplace alone there is more than half who didn’t receive a vaccine and we have 35-40 staff of varying ages. Our regional manager who over sees 12 sites said it was about the same across the board as people were threatening to quit if this was forced on them. 100k nhs workers chose not to also. The real world doesn’t match the 96% statistic. | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures." Suicides were right down during lockdowns you say? Dirk worked as an undertaker through 2020. There was at least 3 suicides or overdoses coming in every week. Zero covid cases between May and August. Yes, it was only one funeral directors statistic (mind you very popular in local area), but does it not reflect some kind of reality? Should people trust what they see with their own two eyes or even when you see that the grass is green - you still have to Google gov.uk to confirm it for you? Please provide your real figures for excess deaths to compare 2020, 2021, 2022 & 2023 because I've seen complete opposite. Missus | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot" I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! | |||
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"Ffs, this still dragging on? Look, for those of you that chose not to have the jab for what ever reason, theory, or whatever, great, your choice your prerogative, just the same for the people that did choose to have it, which equates to around 80% of the country, it was their choice too, so all this about people being misinformed and used as experiments or being tracked or anything else for that matter, can we please put this to bed, it's becoming very tiresome now, time to let it go and get on with life, preferably before we're bombed to smithereens! Whatever your choice, jab or no jab, just move on..... 80% of country jabbed?? I bet it’s no where near that number! I know so many who never got it. I also know a couple of undertakers and get the truth of what’s going on with ages and cause of deaths! Wether that is from jab or as people want to believe after effects of covid the average age of death has come right down! Plus suicide is up massively for what reason I don’t know 80.6% of the UK population have had at least 1 covid vaccination.For the population over 12 its 96%. Oh and suicides were down during lockdowns. Excess deaths now are still higher than pre covid but a lot less during the height of the pandemic. Don't believe the random grifters out there look up the real figures. Who on this earth told you that 96% of over 12s had at least 1 jab? You have been tricked yet again…well done. whats the real number ? Roughly 3-4 million adults declined the vaccine. All data based on estimates and models. There was some data that come out recently that suggested the number vaccinated was massively over estimated, based on a model. Just at my workplace alone there is more than half who didn’t receive a vaccine and we have 35-40 staff of varying ages. Our regional manager who over sees 12 sites said it was about the same across the board as people were threatening to quit if this was forced on them. 100k nhs workers chose not to also. The real world doesn’t match the 96% statistic. " | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference!" As many as that! They will be happy | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy " The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers? 
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers?
I've also had... 22 flu shots. Three HPV, at least four MMRs, bunch of others. Ooga booga scary "You can't scare me none! I got me my special tin hat that makes me immune to all scares! It even keeps me safe if there's a nuklear war! | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers?
I've also had... 22 flu shots. Three HPV, at least four MMRs, bunch of others. Ooga booga scary "Dammm why didn’t we listen to the media!!! They had it nailed, well At least the phycological coercion  | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers?
I've also had... 22 flu shots. Three HPV, at least four MMRs, bunch of others. Ooga booga scary
Dammm why didn’t we listen to the media!!!
They had it nailed, well At least the phycological coercion "Yes, there are only two groups in the world. Truthiness Tellers and the media. And the media are a total monolith. Jesus, this is puerile simplistic thinking I gave up before I hit my tenth birthday | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid "I used to luv science & reality. Then I discovered the joys of being free from all that guff. This whole believing any old shit thing is so much more fun. I'm thinking of upgrading me tin hat to a silver 1. I hears it even keeps out alien mind control | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers?
I've also had... 22 flu shots. Three HPV, at least four MMRs, bunch of others. Ooga booga scary
Dammm why didn’t we listen to the media!!!
They had it nailed, well At least the phycological coercion
Yes, there are only two groups in the world. Truthiness Tellers and the media. And the media are a total monolith.
Jesus, this is puerile simplistic thinking I gave up before I hit my tenth birthday "Definitely getting the picture got You sussed | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid "I believe what I said was people "trusting their own eyes", which is language used in this thread. You're the one who said conspiracy lunatic. | |||
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"Enjoy your clot shot I'm enjoying my two clot (vector) and four myocarditis (mRNA) shots very much, thank you. I even know the difference! As many as that! They will be happy The Martians, the globalists, or the undertakers?
I've also had... 22 flu shots. Three HPV, at least four MMRs, bunch of others. Ooga booga scary
Dammm why didn’t we listen to the media!!!
They had it nailed, well At least the phycological coercion
Yes, there are only two groups in the world. Truthiness Tellers and the media. And the media are a total monolith.
Jesus, this is puerile simplistic thinking I gave up before I hit my tenth birthday
Definitely getting the picture got You sussed "I'm sure you do. | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid
I used to luv science & reality. Then I discovered the joys of being free from all that guff. This whole believing any old shit thing is so much more fun.
I'm thinking of upgrading me tin hat to a silver 1. I hears it even keeps out alien mind control "Early in the pandemic they persecuted Truth Teller Alex Jones for saying that silver cured COVID. The meanypants AGs and FDA made him stop. How awful. He's so... credible | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. " You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid
I used to luv science & reality. Then I discovered the joys of being free from all that guff. This whole believing any old shit thing is so much more fun.
I'm thinking of upgrading me tin hat to a silver 1. I hears it even keeps out alien mind control
Early in the pandemic they persecuted Truth Teller Alex Jones for saying that silver cured COVID. The meanypants AGs and FDA made him stop.
How awful. He's so... credible "You just gotta listen to the guy for 5 minutes to tell he's a mental titan & scientific genius | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground " Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid
I used to luv science & reality. Then I discovered the joys of being free from all that guff. This whole believing any old shit thing is so much more fun.
I'm thinking of upgrading me tin hat to a silver 1. I hears it even keeps out alien mind control
Early in the pandemic they persecuted Truth Teller Alex Jones for saying that silver cured COVID. The meanypants AGs and FDA made him stop.
How awful. He's so... credible
You just gotta listen to the guy for 5 minutes to tell he's a mental titan & scientific genius "I went back and listened to coverage of him at the beginning of the pandemic. Step 1: "it's over for humanity!" Step 2: "buy our shit it'll help!" Step 3: "we are censored by the awful government and our shit has stuff that might help hint hint" Step 4: "the old should go out and die for us! We have stuff that will help hint hint " Step 5: "we're selling masks!" Step 6: "masks are tyranny!" | |||
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"Love the back up of calling everyone that didn’t take it a conspiracy lunatic, almost straight Outa a tabloid
I used to luv science & reality. Then I discovered the joys of being free from all that guff. This whole believing any old shit thing is so much more fun.
I'm thinking of upgrading me tin hat to a silver 1. I hears it even keeps out alien mind control
Early in the pandemic they persecuted Truth Teller Alex Jones for saying that silver cured COVID. The meanypants AGs and FDA made him stop.
How awful. He's so... credible
You just gotta listen to the guy for 5 minutes to tell he's a mental titan & scientific genius
I went back and listened to coverage of him at the beginning of the pandemic.
Step 1: "it's over for humanity!"
Step 2: "buy our shit it'll help!"
Step 3: "we are censored by the awful government and our shit has stuff that might help hint hint"
Step 4: "the old should go out and die for us! We have stuff that will help hint hint "
Step 5: "we're selling masks!"
Step 6: "masks are tyranny!""You's just goin after a man who's clearly honest & well meaning. It's a disgrace you's trying to sully his good name. For shame! | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce." Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! " The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care." You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us "Thanks for your perspective. I'll do as I feel best. | |||
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"Did you know that it's a FACT that out of all the living people in the UK, there are more that have had the vax than who didn't! It makes you think!! Did you know that it's a FACT that out of all the dead people in the UK since the Black Death, there are more who didn't get vaccinated than those who did! It makes you think!! Get vaccinated. It puts you in the majority of the living. It puts you in the minority of the dead. You know it makes sense. It makes you think!!" But if you look out the window, you don't see people being vaccinated. Statistics are a tool of the deep state to control us all! Science and technology are evil - sent from my iPhone | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us
Thanks for your perspective. I'll do as I feel best."Totally agree with you on this part, body autonomy is paramount | |||
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"Did you know that it's a FACT that out of all the living people in the UK, there are more that have had the vax than who didn't! It makes you think!! Did you know that it's a FACT that out of all the dead people in the UK since the Black Death, there are more who didn't get vaccinated than those who did! It makes you think!! Get vaccinated. It puts you in the majority of the living. It puts you in the minority of the dead. You know it makes sense. It makes you think!! But if you look out the window, you don't see people being vaccinated. Statistics are a tool of the deep state to control us all! Science and technology are evil - sent from my iPhone " | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us
Thanks for your perspective. I'll do as I feel best.
Totally agree with you on this part, body autonomy is paramount "I think bodily autonomy should be mitigated by societal responsibility. There's an interesting sub dialect developing among some people, and it's unclear where you stand on this. I think it's interesting to see the way they're trying to make language slide. "Bodily autonomy" - fuck you I do whatever I want "Personal responsibility - I do whatever the fuck I want with no consequences "Informed consent" - if we barrage you with bullshit then you'll agree with us "Parental rights" - fuck science, I do what I want "Science" - whatever some outrage machine has told me "Research" - sitting on the toilet scrolling Facebook | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us
Thanks for your perspective. I'll do as I feel best.
Totally agree with you on this part, body autonomy is paramount
I think bodily autonomy should be mitigated by societal responsibility. There's an interesting sub dialect developing among some people, and it's unclear where you stand on this. I think it's interesting to see the way they're trying to make language slide.
"Bodily autonomy" - fuck you I do whatever I want
"Personal responsibility - I do whatever the fuck I want with no consequences
"Informed consent" - if we barrage you with bullshit then you'll agree with us
"Parental rights" - fuck science, I do what I want
"Science" - whatever some outrage machine has told me
"Research" - sitting on the toilet scrolling Facebook"Nahh sorry on this one we will use the Nuremberg code here, anything less is verging on fascism!! There’s no mitigation here ,if it’s forced it’s not mitigation it’s a dangerous path to tread | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. You may live to regret those very words yet, check out today’s telegraph and come back to us 3.5x higher potential of death or heart problems for women after taking a particular brand of vaccine against cov-19 Don’t take it wrong but please don’t try taking the morale high ground Long term data is still coming, as people on your side like to say. I'll take my chances. I made peace with the possibility of an early death when I signed up for a phase 3 trial. Vague insinuations that I'm heading to an early grave don't bother me at all. Hell, if I'm offered more vaccines, I'll take them. Even that "certain brand". Even if some people think they're genocide sauce. Totally respect this, your body your choice 100% All we can say is we hope your right, Once mRNA is in it’s in, lipid nano particles spike protein have entered the bloodstream and have been found in all parts of the body including breast milk, now as you well know vaccine (traditional)is supposed to stay local to the injections area and your body learns from it quickly! The fact that you believe something doesn't mean that it's part of my understanding of anything, frankly. And I'd consider it part of my maternal duty to pass on protection to my child. I'd fucking hope it was in breastmilk. In fact, in the event I had children, I'd go and pay for a private vaccine (overseas) the millisecond they were eligible. Because I consider that my absolute duty of care. You got it wrong, not talking about learnt immunity here, this is the vaccine directly getting through and into the bloodstream then traveling all over the body which it shouldn’t do or need to do thus entering breast milk directly. Our parental duty is to protect any child we may or may not have, with this said we certainly won’t be signing up for an experimental vaccine as you did, in the future they may very well thank us
Thanks for your perspective. I'll do as I feel best.
Totally agree with you on this part, body autonomy is paramount
I think bodily autonomy should be mitigated by societal responsibility. There's an interesting sub dialect developing among some people, and it's unclear where you stand on this. I think it's interesting to see the way they're trying to make language slide.
"Bodily autonomy" - fuck you I do whatever I want
"Personal responsibility - I do whatever the fuck I want with no consequences
"Informed consent" - if we barrage you with bullshit then you'll agree with us
"Parental rights" - fuck science, I do what I want
"Science" - whatever some outrage machine has told me
"Research" - sitting on the toilet scrolling Facebook
Nahh sorry on this one we will use the Nuremberg code here, anything less is verging on fascism!! There’s no mitigation here ,if it’s forced it’s not mitigation it’s a dangerous path to tread
"The Nuremberg code which has been superseded several times? I assume you mean the Helsinki declaration, but that sounds way less emotive
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now." Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.)" (Thank God we live in much more enlightened times now. Nobody now would ever advocate or say anything like we should just take it on the chin. Or use terms like herd immunity...) | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) (Thank God we live in much more enlightened times now. Nobody now would ever advocate or say anything like we should just take it on the chin. Or use terms like herd immunity...)" In the before times I took "herd immunity" to mean "I get vaccinated against rubella as a child to protect a pregnant mother whose vaccine didn't take - because nothing is 100% perfect - and of course their child who doesn't deserve to be disfigured". Now... well. It's all a bit fucking dystopian. | |||
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"(Taking it on the chin & herd immunity were things Johnson said & pushed early on. He dropped that narrative in the end. Likely because some1 grabbed him off camera & showed him, with big diagrams, just how many people would likely die if he continued the policy of doing fuck all & just letting people die.)" I know. Dystopia was briefly averted, but the ideology lives on and I want to fire it into the sun along with the antisemitic dog whistles in so many conspiracy theories, the at least pseudo eugenics, and all the rest. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.)" Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! | |||
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"(Taking it on the chin & herd immunity were things Johnson said & pushed early on. He dropped that narrative in the end. Likely because some1 grabbed him off camera & showed him, with big diagrams, just how many people would likely die if he continued the policy of doing fuck all & just letting people die.) I know. Dystopia was briefly averted, but the ideology lives on and I want to fire it into the sun along with the antisemitic dog whistles in so many conspiracy theories, the at least pseudo eugenics, and all the rest." I know you know all about this. I was just reiterating for the record that Johnson really did push this madness until somebody convinced him it was madness. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) (Thank God we live in much more enlightened times now. Nobody now would ever advocate or say anything like we should just take it on the chin. Or use terms like herd immunity...) In the before times I took "herd immunity" to mean "I get vaccinated against rubella as a child to protect a pregnant mother whose vaccine didn't take - because nothing is 100% perfect - and of course their child who doesn't deserve to be disfigured". Now... well. It's all a bit fucking dystopian." Remember the difference here please, your talking about vaccination as apposed to gene therapy | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now." Who mentioned nazis ? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! " Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) (Thank God we live in much more enlightened times now. Nobody now would ever advocate or say anything like we should just take it on the chin. Or use terms like herd immunity...) In the before times I took "herd immunity" to mean "I get vaccinated against rubella as a child to protect a pregnant mother whose vaccine didn't take - because nothing is 100% perfect - and of course their child who doesn't deserve to be disfigured". Now... well. It's all a bit fucking dystopian. Remember the difference here please, your talking about vaccination as apposed to gene therapy " I think you're slipping into an alternative dialect as opposed to common language Bodily autonomy - fuck you I do what I want Research - sitting on the toilet scrolling Facebook Gene therapy - some bullshit people made up because new technology scares them | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? " Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many." We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it " A swinging site with so much diversity will have a wide diversity of opinions. I am not Fab and do not speak for Fab. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close." Fascism comes from all sides and angles, quite surprised to find people getting attacked for their views on an experimental gene therapy here Out of interest who actually realised it was gene therapy and if they did would they have taken ? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it A swinging site with so much diversity will have a wide diversity of opinions. I am not Fab and do not speak for Fab." Not really an answer is it, learning more by the minute | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close. Fascism comes from all sides and angles, quite surprised to find people getting attacked for their views on an experimental gene therapy here Out of interest who actually realised it was gene therapy and if they did would they have taken ? " Do you know the difference between an attack and a disagreement? Ah, misinformed refusal. Also known, in the alternative dialect, as "informed consent". "If you had known a bunch of nonsense, would you have acted as you did?" I'd actually heard most of these arguments before I got vaccinated, yes, and weighed them appropriately in my calculations as to whether to get vaccinated. | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it A swinging site with so much diversity will have a wide diversity of opinions. I am not Fab and do not speak for Fab. Not really an answer is it, learning more by the minute "You're learning that people on Fab have different opinions from one another? Is that actually a novel idea? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it A swinging site with so much diversity will have a wide diversity of opinions. I am not Fab and do not speak for Fab. Not really an answer is it, learning more by the minute
You're learning that people on Fab have different opinions from one another?
Is that actually a novel idea?"Tin foil hat has been used many times, in that context it’s belittling and unnecessary don’t you think ? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close. Fascism comes from all sides and angles, quite surprised to find people getting attacked for their views on an experimental gene therapy here Out of interest who actually realised it was gene therapy and if they did would they have taken ? " If I just bring up Nazis now can I stop this pointlessness? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close. Fascism comes from all sides and angles, quite surprised to find people getting attacked for their views on an experimental gene therapy here Out of interest who actually realised it was gene therapy and if they did would they have taken ? Do you know the difference between an attack and a disagreement? Ah, misinformed refusal. Also known, in the alternative dialect, as "informed consent". "If you had known a bunch of nonsense, would you have acted as you did?" I'd actually heard most of these arguments before I got vaccinated, yes, and weighed them appropriately in my calculations as to whether to get vaccinated." Undoubtedly you have been informed as you say you was part of the trials, but was the masses properly informed? And if so did they fully understand it ? | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Oh, we're already there. Trials have to run according to certain criteria. Those criteria derive from the Nuremberg code, but that has been the declaration of Helsinki since 1964. Because "Finnish" sounds less scary than "Nazi", people retain Nuremberg. (In conjunction with there are several calls for Nuremberg 2, to hang public health officials because reasons. No one has said it here, but I'm giving wider context) Because people don't understand what a clinical trial is and misread something about monitoring post roll out, they claim it's still in trials. (I also note that the Germans of the period were in favour of letting diseases spread because the healthy would survive... well.) Thank you for educating us, we very much appreciated your input Time will tell on this, we will continue to stay as we are unvaccinated, this will remain the case If we are wrong we can of course take the vaccine anytime, the vaccinated can only hope the science is 100% right! Science is never 100% right. That's black and white thinking. On balance, I thought it best to be vaccinated, given the research, the checks, what we know about vaccines in general. And what we don't know about the long term effects of a disease. I had to balance that against all the "reasoning" against being vaccinated. I found said "reasoning" as credible as a crayon drawing from a toddler - self serving, contradictory, unfamiliar with many scientific terms, blatantly lying about many things. A scientist I am not, but I can tell bad faith actors. (no, big pharma isn't perfect, but I don't subscribe to black and white thinking) You say "we'll see" as though I will regret my choices. I do not at this stage. I hope you remain well. Health is a blessing. And a luxury beyond the reach of too many. We'll see isn’t meant in that context, please don’t take it wrong or our intent on this topic We have made our position on this clear and was hoping a swinger site with so much diversity would accept it A swinging site with so much diversity will have a wide diversity of opinions. I am not Fab and do not speak for Fab. Not really an answer is it, learning more by the minute
You're learning that people on Fab have different opinions from one another?
Is that actually a novel idea?
Tin foil hat has been used many times, in that context it’s belittling and unnecessary don’t you think ? "No, actually I don't. I, personally, as not a representative of Fab, think it's an accurate description of some of the views expressed about the pandemic, responses, and the prophylactics/therapeutics that have been developed in response. Pejorative, yes, but that's the way life goes. Other people will vary in their assessment of these views. Will everyone on Fab accept everything about you? No. Some people on Fab are only looking for BBC. I, unfortunately, do not have a big black cock (last I checked). There are people who are looking for what I'm looking for, so I don't claim that it says something about BBC hunters, and just do my own thing. (And that's even related to swinging!) | |||
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"General internet rule: when some1 mentions the Nazis, any argument/discussion has hopelessly broken down. Feels like it's getting close to that moment now. Who mentioned nazis ? Read my comment again. Where did I say any1 had mentioned Nazis? I simply said it felt like that moment was getting close. Fascism comes from all sides and angles, quite surprised to find people getting attacked for their views on an experimental gene therapy here Out of interest who actually realised it was gene therapy and if they did would they have taken ? If I just bring up Nazis now can I stop this pointlessness?" You got a point to be honest between us and _naswingdress we could literally go all day, we are at loggerheads We respect her views and not doubt if we ever meet and vaccination, global politics, said conspiracy theory’s we would get on like a house on fire, | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. " Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. " I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis." And we go back to body autonomy with this answer | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer " It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense." It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis." Whoa name calling this early in the game! As expected. You only have your "research" to go by, which is likely done by people who also have been working from home, isolated from general public and real life experience, written and spoken to people who also stay at home full time... and the cycle goes on round and round... | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force !" You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. | |||
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"Yeah but fish can't ride bicycles! Caught you out there! Hah!" But a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. Checkmate. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. " Come on now, if your not then you should be a politician your swerving the point, deflection seems very good in you, building more of a picture | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. Come on now, if your not then you should be a politician your swerving the point, deflection seems very good in you, building more of a picture "If you want to make a point, you need to connect it. I'm not a mind reader. If you want to say "the data at the time showed vaccines were safe and effective therefore they wanted to mandate vaccines to end a catastrophe for health and the economy", yes. That is a thing that happened. And yes. Mandate. Force (well, penalise if you didn't, not exactly the same). Even make!!! Vaccine mandates have been a thing in many places and times since there were vaccines. It was an option explored. And now parents are - in the same way people might have been before - forced!!! to send medically vulnerable children into schools with no mitigations and with Covid everywhere. With fines and even social services put on the case. But I guess that's fine, because reasons. | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. Come on now, if your not then you should be a politician your swerving the point, deflection seems very good in you, building more of a picture
If you want to make a point, you need to connect it. I'm not a mind reader.
If you want to say "the data at the time showed vaccines were safe and effective therefore they wanted to mandate vaccines to end a catastrophe for health and the economy", yes. That is a thing that happened. And yes. Mandate. Force (well, penalise if you didn't, not exactly the same). Even make!!!
Vaccine mandates have been a thing in many places and times since there were vaccines. It was an option explored. And now parents are - in the same way people might have been before - forced!!! to send medically vulnerable children into schools with no mitigations and with Covid everywhere. With fines and even social services put on the case.
But I guess that's fine, because reasons."To conclude! If it wasn’t gene therapy, we would have taken it Knowing it’s a safe vaccine We cannot say that for mRNA and vial vectors | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. Come on now, if your not then you should be a politician your swerving the point, deflection seems very good in you, building more of a picture
If you want to make a point, you need to connect it. I'm not a mind reader.
If you want to say "the data at the time showed vaccines were safe and effective therefore they wanted to mandate vaccines to end a catastrophe for health and the economy", yes. That is a thing that happened. And yes. Mandate. Force (well, penalise if you didn't, not exactly the same). Even make!!!
Vaccine mandates have been a thing in many places and times since there were vaccines. It was an option explored. And now parents are - in the same way people might have been before - forced!!! to send medically vulnerable children into schools with no mitigations and with Covid everywhere. With fines and even social services put on the case.
But I guess that's fine, because reasons.
To conclude!
If it wasn’t gene therapy, we would have taken it
Knowing it’s a safe vaccine
We cannot say that for mRNA and vial vectors
"Cool. You do you. Are you ok with medically vulnerable children and their families being sent to social services for home schooling while Covid-19 runs rampant through schools? | |||
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"This thread, same as all the others. Do you trust statistics or your own eyes? (Except when looking for the vaccine apocalypse, then you just have to believe us) I trust statistics and the scientific method/process because I understand that my experience is not universal. (I don't trust entirely because I know it can be manipulated, but if I had to pick "believe your eyes" or science, fuck my eyes) But, whatever you like. Do you say that as a person who has been working and living face to face with all what was going on? A person who have been dealing first hand with the dead and living, healthy and infected? Or do you say this as a person who works from home with zero contact with general public? Massive difference that will most definitely influence anyones point of view. I say this as a person who is neither stupid enough nor arrogant enough to think that my personal perception trumps scientific analysis. And we go back to body autonomy with this answer It's bodily autonomy to think that personal perception trumps scientific data? That makes no sense. It’s simple ! Under that they wanted to mandate the vaccine Force ! You are jumping from topic to topic. I am not arrogant or stupid enough to trust my individual perception over scientific analysis. Therefore... vaccine mandates. Sure. OK. Whatever. I own a bicycle therefore aquariums. Come on now, if your not then you should be a politician your swerving the point, deflection seems very good in you, building more of a picture
If you want to make a point, you need to connect it. I'm not a mind reader.
If you want to say "the data at the time showed vaccines were safe and effective therefore they wanted to mandate vaccines to end a catastrophe for health and the economy", yes. That is a thing that happened. And yes. Mandate. Force (well, penalise if you didn't, not exactly the same). Even make!!!
Vaccine mandates have been a thing in many places and times since there were vaccines. It was an option explored. And now parents are - in the same way people might have been before - forced!!! to send medically vulnerable children into schools with no mitigations and with Covid everywhere. With fines and even social services put on the case.
But I guess that's fine, because reasons.
To conclude!
If it wasn’t gene therapy, we would have taken it
Knowing it’s a safe vaccine
We cannot say that for mRNA and vial vectors
Cool.
You do you.
Are you ok with medically vulnerable children and their families being sent to social services for home schooling while Covid-19 runs rampant through schools?"Absolutely not Homeschooling should always be on the table, especially for cases like what your referring to If not then it’s governmental over reach and we are back to the same freedom of choice | |||
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"People are making a point as if this vaccine was effective. It was a guess at the original Wuhan strain that wasn’t even in circulation by the time it was rolled out to the masses. And let’s not forget it’s only been just over 2 years since the first people had these mRNA jabs, and already they are done with. Now we just have to hope there aren’t anymore damages going forward a few more years other than the growing list we already know of (which were not known about 2 years ago) it’s not likes there’s any excess deaths anywhere though ""Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
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"People are making a point as if this vaccine was effective. It was a guess at the original Wuhan strain that wasn’t even in circulation by the time it was rolled out to the masses. And let’s not forget it’s only been just over 2 years since the first people had these mRNA jabs, and already they are done with. Now we just have to hope there aren’t anymore damages going forward a few more years other than the growing list we already know of (which were not known about 2 years ago) it’s not likes there’s any excess deaths anywhere though "Spot on | |||
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"People are making a point as if this vaccine was effective. It was a guess at the original Wuhan strain that wasn’t even in circulation by the time it was rolled out to the masses. And let’s not forget it’s only been just over 2 years since the first people had these mRNA jabs, and already they are done with. Now we just have to hope there aren’t anymore damages going forward a few more years other than the growing list we already know of (which were not known about 2 years ago) it’s not likes there’s any excess deaths anywhere though
"Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
"Here’s an actual study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ If you have trouble understanding it, here’s a video. Read the description for all links. https://youtu.be/CNics0Q_yyo | |||
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"People are making a point as if this vaccine was effective. It was a guess at the original Wuhan strain that wasn’t even in circulation by the time it was rolled out to the masses. And let’s not forget it’s only been just over 2 years since the first people had these mRNA jabs, and already they are done with. Now we just have to hope there aren’t anymore damages going forward a few more years other than the growing list we already know of (which were not known about 2 years ago) it’s not likes there’s any excess deaths anywhere though
"Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
Here’s an actual study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
If you have trouble understanding it, here’s a video. Read the description for all links.
https://youtu.be/CNics0Q_yyo
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"There is now a study that suggest a correlation between the level of vaccine uptake and rate if excess deaths in 2021 too. It’s been just 2 years since the rollout. Such studies shouldn’t even be contemplated but here we are. https://youtu.be/iyo2UNQcdpQ" It's very odd that you think things should not be studied or contemplated. Study all the things. Find out the truth | |||
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"People are making a point as if this vaccine was effective. It was a guess at the original Wuhan strain that wasn’t even in circulation by the time it was rolled out to the masses. And let’s not forget it’s only been just over 2 years since the first people had these mRNA jabs, and already they are done with. Now we just have to hope there aren’t anymore damages going forward a few more years other than the growing list we already know of (which were not known about 2 years ago) it’s not likes there’s any excess deaths anywhere though
"Analyzing the most extensive datasets in the United States, researchers from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have revealed that vaccination against COVID-19 is associated with fewer heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular issues among people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19."
Here’s an actual study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
If you have trouble understanding it, here’s a video. Read the description for all links.
https://youtu.be/CNics0Q_yyo
Ta.
I'm glad you're happy with your choices, and I wish you good health going forward."Very happy. I look after myself so when these low level viruses appear, I don’t have to worry. And also when they rush a brand new type of vaccine out, I also don’t have to worry about risking my health by taking it, as it would be of absolutely no benefit to myself and does nothing to protect anyone else. | |||
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