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"Like every vaccination this should be personal choice. I was always against vaccine mandates. Glad it’s filtering through!!" Absolutely! But was surprised to hear a professional agree with me x | |||
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"Like every vaccination this should be personal choice. I was always against vaccine mandates. Glad it’s filtering through!!" I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. | |||
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"Like every vaccination this should be personal choice. I was always against vaccine mandates. Glad it’s filtering through!! I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers." People in that field do take their responsibilities seriously, and would and do a better job than someone's that's untrained in a safe environment and manner. If you were seriously ill would you deny treatment from an available health professional just because they didn't have the vaccine. They like everyone in a hospital setting would wear their masks, gloves ect, is there more of a risk than going shopping or the pub ? | |||
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers." The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.  | |||
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"It does seem more common to hear people say they regret getting the jab now. Probably a combination of many things, cases falling, vaccine mandates not happening, travel restrictions not as harsh as first feared and potential issues with side effects among others. " Yes I think things are changing. Something I saw on twitter earlier: We have gone from "Take the shot you selfish b*stard! it's safe and effective and the right thing to do. You will kill grandma!!!" To - well, sure people are dying, but you can't PROVE it's the vax. Maybe it's climate change or transphobia.  | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie. "There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment 
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please | |||
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"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated..." Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy??? | |||
"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated..." Sad to hear! Had 2 relatives die from covid before the jab in the early days of covid! Will still not have anymore myself though x | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please "https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones  | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones "Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol...... and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told..... remember this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
"Haha that was funny. Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol. | |||
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"Yes, more and more are speaking out about it." Be interesting to know what facts have changed since it started... Or alternatively, what we know better now. That supports the choices not to take them. For now at least. Not really yet seen anything different to what we knew before. It isn't perfect , it has side effects for some, it makes sense for some people and not for others. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones "Glass houses and stones would be appropriate if it was your spelling being corrected. 
Winston | |||
"Like every vaccination this should be personal choice. I was always against vaccine mandates. Glad it’s filtering through!! Absolutely! But was surprised to hear a professional agree with me x" It's good that people are able to express an opinion. Would be good to understand what information she has access to that has led her to her choice. Worth noting too that not all health care professionals are experts in vaccine or medicine or epidemiology. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones "Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
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"Like every vaccination this should be personal choice. I was always against vaccine mandates. Glad it’s filtering through!! Absolutely! But was surprised to hear a professional agree with me x It's good that people are able to express an opinion. Would be good to understand what information she has access to that has led her to her choice. Worth noting too that not all health care professionals are experts in vaccine or medicine or epidemiology. " Unless it’s a specialist then in all likelihood no more evidence than you or I. Maybe she just thought it easier to agree that argue…. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Glass houses and stones would be appropriate if it was your spelling being corrected.
Winston "Thanks Winston I'll take it board | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
"But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others". So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it. So you've got to ask why did their lie? The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter. So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it. And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear. Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021 | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie. "It reduces transmission, nothing prevents it, unless you lock yourself in a box | |||
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"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated... Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy???" It's up to me whether I have the vaccine or not. I do not in my post say others should have it. People can do as they wish, have it or not have it. | |||
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"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated... Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy??? It's up to me whether I have the vaccine or not. I do not in my post say others should have it. People can do as they wish, have it or not have it. " Of course it is up to you. Your body your choice. I made no reference to you referring to others having it or not. It was a simple question of understanding why you will still get the shot as many others on here who have had it now state they will not get it. Some have actually stated they only got it to travel or felt they had to have it because of work. So only to gain an understanding or reasons why, now that we know it doesn't last long at all and is not as effective as we were told. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol." FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie. "does’t prevent transmission or infection so why were the travel passes brought in when a vaccinated person can transmit the infection as an unvaccinated person -we have been told lots of lies and we are now paying the price as the economy is on life support; inflation is out of control with all the money they printed and excess deaths are bigger now than they were 2 years ago. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
"What's the bigger picture? Winston | |||
"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated... Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy??? It's up to me whether I have the vaccine or not. I do not in my post say others should have it. People can do as they wish, have it or not have it. " Sorry to hear about your friend | |||
"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated... Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy??? It's up to me whether I have the vaccine or not. I do not in my post say others should have it. People can do as they wish, have it or not have it. Of course it is up to you. Your body your choice. I made no reference to you referring to others having it or not. It was a simple question of understanding why you will still get the shot as many others on here who have had it now state they will not get it. Some have actually stated they only got it to travel or felt they had to have it because of work. So only to gain an understanding or reasons why, now that we know it doesn't last long at all and is not as effective as we were told. " Thing is, and I know it doesn't serve your story. But it's more nuanced than that. It seems quite effective for older and vulnerable people and not so much benefit for younger folk. Risk/benefit is for the individual | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston "You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021"it can be true there is both a 80pc drop in transmission and that the vaccines don't stop transmission. You're also right I believe that Pfizer didn't test for transmission. However other studies have been done. Iirc one idea is that if vaccines reduce the time you are contagious that leads to a drop in transmission rate even if you are just as contagious at the peak of illness. I don't recall anything official saying vaccines stop transmission. If you can refresh my memory that would be useful. My observation is it is those who are most vaccine hesitant that recall this message more vividly than those on the pro vaccine side. So something odd is going on with memory. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston
You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off. "Wow. *shocked face OK, I have more questions...... Why are they killing 7.5 billion of us? Winston | |||
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021it can be true there is both a 80pc drop in transmission and that the vaccines don't stop transmission.
You're also right I believe that Pfizer didn't test for transmission. However other studies have been done.
Iirc one idea is that if vaccines reduce the time you are contagious that leads to a drop in transmission rate even if you are just as contagious at the peak of illness.
I don't recall anything official saying vaccines stop transmission. If you can refresh my memory that would be useful. My observation is it is those who are most vaccine hesitant that recall this message more vividly than those on the pro vaccine side. So something odd is going on with memory. "I can remember Dec 2021, Dr Susan Hopkins UKHSA saying we were in for a massive wave of omicron infections and it was a race to get as many people boosted as possible to slow down that wave. Now I assumed that she was referring to a wave of infections but it could equally have been a wave of hospital admissions .. However... We see what we want to see... And that's a good example of it. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston
You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off.
Wow. *shocked face
OK, I have more questions......
Why are they killing 7.5 billion of us?
Winston "So they have control silly. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston
You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off.
Wow. *shocked face
OK, I have more questions......
Why are they killing 7.5 billion of us?
Winston
So they have control silly. "I see....... Control of what though? A current world population of circa 8 billion currently making the world work, surely reducing the world population to circa 500 million would mean the world would stop functioning as there's not enough people left to make wheels keep turning. I'm guessing "they" haven't been vaccinated or "they" would be in the cull. What if covid is real and "they" haven't been vaccinated, they'd die wouldn't they? And who are "they"? So many questions from an enquiring mind. Winston | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston
You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off.
Wow. *shocked face
OK, I have more questions......
Why are they killing 7.5 billion of us?
Winston
So they have control silly.
I see.......
Control of what though? A current world population of circa 8 billion currently making the world work, surely reducing the world population to circa 500 million would mean the world would stop functioning as there's not enough people left to make wheels keep turning.
I'm guessing "they" haven't been vaccinated or "they" would be in the cull.
What if covid is real and "they" haven't been vaccinated, they'd die wouldn't they?
And who are "they"?
So many questions from an enquiring mind.
Winston "If you know you know... You need a special wrist band though. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
Haha that was funny.
Merkel put her mask on when she got out of the car-(conveniently in front of the cameras)..then took it off when she was close up to another on stage...its back to front lol.
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE
it was just a comedy show with a lot of fear mongering and lies. there is a bigger picture to all of this.
The WEF and its minions...
What's the bigger picture?
Winston
You know this Winston.. Its the one where they are controlling us and killing 7.5 billion of us off.
Wow. *shocked face
OK, I have more questions......
Why are they killing 7.5 billion of us?
Winston
So they have control silly.
I see.......
Control of what though? A current world population of circa 8 billion currently making the world work, surely reducing the world population to circa 500 million would mean the world would stop functioning as there's not enough people left to make wheels keep turning.
I'm guessing "they" haven't been vaccinated or "they" would be in the cull.
What if covid is real and "they" haven't been vaccinated, they'd die wouldn't they?
And who are "they"?
So many questions from an enquiring mind.
Winston
If you know you know... You need a special wrist band though. "It seems a bit like the plot of 'don't look up' doesn't it? | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021"The important question is who did what, when and why. What date was the NHS letter you refer to? National Institute for health in Netherlands did a quite early study that concluded an up to 80% reduction in transmission of the Alpha variant…. Now again you could dismiss that study as part of some big conspiracy but how many thousands of people can be part of a global conspiracy without it being quickly blown open? I can believe an element of profiteering by big pharma may have played a role in behaviour nudging but a wider global conspiracy to depopulate/microchip/control the population, nah not a snowflakes chance in hell. | |||
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"The virus symptoms are not caused by a Corona virus they are caused by the upgrade in electrification. It's happened before and it will happen again when the electrical grid is upgraded again to 6G (27 to 39 ghz) " Again with this nonsense? When did it happen before? Winston | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021it can be true there is both a 80pc drop in transmission and that the vaccines don't stop transmission.
You're also right I believe that Pfizer didn't test for transmission. However other studies have been done.
Iirc one idea is that if vaccines reduce the time you are contagious that leads to a drop in transmission rate even if you are just as contagious at the peak of illness.
I don't recall anything official saying vaccines stop transmission. If you can refresh my memory that would be useful. My observation is it is those who are most vaccine hesitant that recall this message more vividly than those on the pro vaccine side. So something odd is going on with memory. "Well here's one of Boris saying the jabs protect you and stop others getting the virus. From 1.18 mins he states it. https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA I'd seen him on TV saying it another time earlier than the above clip too. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021it can be true there is both a 80pc drop in transmission and that the vaccines don't stop transmission.
You're also right I believe that Pfizer didn't test for transmission. However other studies have been done.
Iirc one idea is that if vaccines reduce the time you are contagious that leads to a drop in transmission rate even if you are just as contagious at the peak of illness.
I don't recall anything official saying vaccines stop transmission. If you can refresh my memory that would be useful. My observation is it is those who are most vaccine hesitant that recall this message more vividly than those on the pro vaccine side. So something odd is going on with memory.
Well here's one of Boris saying the jabs protect you and stop others getting the virus.
From 1.18 mins he states it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
I'd seen him on TV saying it another time earlier than the above clip too."
I don't ever listen to him. Or trust whatever I do hear him say.
But clearly he said it !
It will help stop some ppl getting it. I agree it doesn't stop prevent everyone from catching it. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
The important question is who did what, when and why.
What date was the NHS letter you refer to?
National Institute for health in Netherlands did a quite early study that concluded an up to 80% reduction in transmission of the Alpha variant…. Now again you could dismiss that study as part of some big conspiracy but how many thousands of people can be part of a global conspiracy without it being quickly blown open?
I can believe an element of profiteering by big pharma may have played a role in behaviour nudging but a wider global conspiracy to depopulate/microchip/control the population, nah not a snowflakes chance in hell."Oh I don't believe in any depopulation theories,it's as simple as the media manipulated the death's to create fear,then when a vaccine is released people go running for it out of fear,politician's,scientist's etc....have shares in pharmaceutical companies,so they'll get our country in debt using taxpayers money but they don't care,because they still get their salary,and then get plenty of money back via personal shares in pharmaceutical....would you use someone else's money to make a company you have shares in a lot of money?,their get to do it in a legit legal way. There was clearly a conflict of interests. | |||
"The virus symptoms are not caused by a Corona virus they are caused by the upgrade in electrification. It's happened before and it will happen again when the electrical grid is upgraded again to 6G (27 to 39 ghz) Shall I lay it out for you Again with this nonsense? When did it happen before? Winston " | |||
"Ive had 3, and not noticed a single change in my health. " It's been less than two years,there's a reason vaccines take up to a decade to be released,so long term side effects can be monitored. Hopefully you'll be fine. | |||
"The virus symptoms are not caused by a Corona virus they are caused by the upgrade in electrification. It's happened before and it will happen again when the electrical grid is upgraded again to 6G (27 to 39 ghz) Again with this nonsense? When did it happen before? Winston " Fifth generation telecommunication frequency is 10 times more powerful than 4th generation, this vast increase in power means there is a quantum rise in harmful radio spectrum radiation. Man made radiation causes cell poisoning, as a result the body tried to remove toxics via orifices (mouth/ nose). There toxics are pieces of DNA or RNA with a few other proteins that are excreted from poisoned cells known in layman’s terms as a VIRUS People are not suffering from corona virus they are suffering from a virus caused by cell poisoning caused by radio spectrum radiation. Whenever you expose any biological system to a new electromagnetic field you poison it, you kill some people and the rest go into a kind of suspended animation so they continue to live but remain sick. At the end of the day all living creatures are electrical beings. | |||
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"The virus symptoms are not caused by a Corona virus they are caused by the upgrade in electrification. It's happened before and it will happen again when the electrical grid is upgraded again to 6G (27 to 39 ghz) Again with this nonsense? When did it happen before? Winston Fifth generation telecommunication frequency is 10 times more powerful than 4th generation, this vast increase in power means there is a quantum rise in harmful radio spectrum radiation. Man made radiation causes cell poisoning, as a result the body tried to remove toxics via orifices (mouth/ nose). There toxics are pieces of DNA or RNA with a few other proteins that are excreted from poisoned cells known in layman’s terms as a VIRUS People are not suffering from corona virus they are suffering from a virus caused by cell poisoning caused by radio spectrum radiation. Whenever you expose any biological system to a new electromagnetic field you poison it, you kill some people and the rest go into a kind of suspended animation so they continue to live but remain sick. At the end of the day all living creatures are electrical beings. " You're aware that RF radiation is non ionizing? | |||
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"The virus symptoms are not caused by a Corona virus they are caused by the upgrade in electrification. It's happened before and it will happen again when the electrical grid is upgraded again to 6G (27 to 39 ghz) Shall I lay it out for you Again with this nonsense? When did it happen before? Winston " Yes, please lay it out for me, that's exactly why I asked. Winston | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie. "Nobody ever claimed it it didn't prevent transmission | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Nobody ever claimed it it didn't prevent transmission"Let's pretend that information like this didn't exist 
https://youtu.be/uKf8dVxOy0s | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. " While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. " heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. | |||
"this is from a declassified DOD report of EMF radiation exposure It has been known for many years that exposure to very high levels of RF radiation can be harmful due to the ability of RF energy to heat biological tissue rapidly. This is the principle by which microwave ovens cook food. Exposure to very high RF intensities can result in heating of biological tissue and an increase in body temperature. Tissue damage in humans could occur during exposure to high RF levels because of the body's inability to cope with or dissipate the excessive heat that could be generated. Two areas of the body, the eyes and the testes, are particularly vulnerable to RF heating because of the relative lack of available blood flow to dissipate the excessive heat load." Everyone is now being exposed to 2.4ghz, from the towers and the 5G enabled lamposts, microwaves cook flesh. " Isn't the premise of a microwave oven that the 'target' is enclosed and the MW focussed on a small area? It's why microwave ovens don't work if they're open. There's also the detail that microwave ovens run up to 300ghz at top power. I'd be open to seeing some data to support these ideas. That's the joy of science, not thinking that what you know is final. It's just what we know, right now. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. " So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions." let me quote a study that was released in december 2021 The argument that 5G millimeter wave radiation is absorbed within two millimeters of the skin is both false and outdated. In December 2021The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) published a new study warning about the dangers of 5G technology, including how it directly contributes to the symptoms of respiratory distress. For the study, Beverly Rubik and Robert R. Brown referenced an earlier paper published in May 2020 that showed a “statistically significant correlation between the intensity of radio-frequency radiation and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 in 31 countries throughout the world.” They also highlighted a U.S.-based study showing that areas of the country with 5G infrastructure already in place and operating showed significantly higher rates of serious illness and death which was being attributed to covid,. “Symptoms from both Wireless Communication Radiation and COVID-19 included blood changes such as short-term rouleaux (blood ‘clumping’), and long-term reduced hemoglobin (in severe COVID-19 cases); oxidative stress and injury in tissues and organs; immune system disruption, including suppression of T-lymphocytes and elevated inflammatory biomarkers; increased intracellular calcium, which facilitates virus entry and replication; and arrhythmias (heart beat irregularities),” Wireless radiation exposure reduces levels of “master antioxidant” glutathione One particularly disturbing finding in Rubik and Brown’s study is the observable decrease in glutathione, the body’s “master antioxidant,” upon exposure to 5G and all wireless radiation At least two other study have found that WCR exposure correlates to greatly diminished glutathione levels, Rubik and Brown made specific notes in their paper about how “the finding of low glutathione levels” in Chinese Virus patients “further supports oxidative stress as a component” of covid infection. it is more than probable that Wireless Communication Radiation – and particularly the early activation in 5G in Wuhan, the epicenter of the plandemic – is directly contributing to the spread and severity of the Wuhan Virus. “The evidence for the connection between COVID and 5G, as well as other forms of wireless communications radiation (WCR), consisted of two main findings: the statistical correlation between COVID-19 symptoms / mortality and area-specific WCR intensity, including that of 5G; and the overlap between WCR effects on the body, and COVID-19 symptoms NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine) is powerful,antitoxin that replenishes glutathione, vitamin D also plays a role in protecting against covid and other respiratory ailments. microwave radiation with fast pulses, such as in digital cellular radiation, travels much deeper into the body than predicted by current conventional models. This effect becomes more pronounced with higher frequencies and with faster pulses. i appreciate this will be completely dismissed but it make more sense that the silly bat theory. Remember the photos of people in Wuhan throwing up blood and keeling over, ive never heard of a virus that could do that. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions. let me quote a study that was released in december 2021 The argument that 5G millimeter wave radiation is absorbed within two millimeters of the skin is both false and outdated. In December 2021The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) published a new study warning about the dangers of 5G technology, including how it directly contributes to the symptoms of respiratory distress. For the study, Beverly Rubik and Robert R. Brown referenced an earlier paper published in May 2020 that showed a “statistically significant correlation between the intensity of radio-frequency radiation and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 in 31 countries throughout the world.” They also highlighted a U.S.-based study showing that areas of the country with 5G infrastructure already in place and operating showed significantly higher rates of serious illness and death which was being attributed to covid,. “Symptoms from both Wireless Communication Radiation and COVID-19 included blood changes such as short-term rouleaux (blood ‘clumping’), and long-term reduced hemoglobin (in severe COVID-19 cases); oxidative stress and injury in tissues and organs; immune system disruption, including suppression of T-lymphocytes and elevated inflammatory biomarkers; increased intracellular calcium, which facilitates virus entry and replication; and arrhythmias (heart beat irregularities),” Wireless radiation exposure reduces levels of “master antioxidant” glutathione One particularly disturbing finding in Rubik and Brown’s study is the observable decrease in glutathione, the body’s “master antioxidant,” upon exposure to 5G and all wireless radiation At least two other study have found that WCR exposure correlates to greatly diminished glutathione levels, Rubik and Brown made specific notes in their paper about how “the finding of low glutathione levels” in Chinese Virus patients “further supports oxidative stress as a component” of covid infection. it is more than probable that Wireless Communication Radiation – and particularly the early activation in 5G in Wuhan, the epicenter of the plandemic – is directly contributing to the spread and severity of the Wuhan Virus. “The evidence for the connection between COVID and 5G, as well as other forms of wireless communications radiation (WCR), consisted of two main findings: the statistical correlation between COVID-19 symptoms / mortality and area-specific WCR intensity, including that of 5G; and the overlap between WCR effects on the body, and COVID-19 symptoms NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine) is powerful,antitoxin that replenishes glutathione, vitamin D also plays a role in protecting against covid and other respiratory ailments. microwave radiation with fast pulses, such as in digital cellular radiation, travels much deeper into the body than predicted by current conventional models. This effect becomes more pronounced with higher frequencies and with faster pulses. i appreciate this will be completely dismissed but it make more sense that the silly bat theory. Remember the photos of people in Wuhan throwing up blood and keeling over, ive never heard of a virus that could do that. " Now that's something I can go and review! | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Nobody ever claimed it it didn't prevent transmission"True. The problem however is that lots of people claimed it DID prevent transmission | |||
"So went for my diabetic review this afta! Someone I've not seen b 4 lovely lady! Got round to talking about covid injections! I said I'm not having any more had 2 under pressure from family and I'm convinced it has buggered my immune system! Was expecting to b reprimanded! But she said yes agree! I was taken aback and said not heard anyone from medical profesion with that view! She said she would not have had any from choice! Only because she had to due to job! Was very refreshing to hear x" Definitely refreshing to hear. Nice one x | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions. let me quote a study that was released in december 2021 The argument that 5G millimeter wave radiation is absorbed within two millimeters of the skin is both false and outdated. In December 2021The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) published a new study warning about the dangers of 5G technology, including how it directly contributes to the symptoms of respiratory distress. For the study, Beverly Rubik and Robert R. Brown referenced an earlier paper published in May 2020 that showed a “statistically significant correlation between the intensity of radio-frequency radiation and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 in 31 countries throughout the world.” They also highlighted a U.S.-based study showing that areas of the country with 5G infrastructure already in place and operating showed significantly higher rates of serious illness and death which was being attributed to covid,. “Symptoms from both Wireless Communication Radiation and COVID-19 included blood changes such as short-term rouleaux (blood ‘clumping’), and long-term reduced hemoglobin (in severe COVID-19 cases); oxidative stress and injury in tissues and organs; immune system disruption, including suppression of T-lymphocytes and elevated inflammatory biomarkers; increased intracellular calcium, which facilitates virus entry and replication; and arrhythmias (heart beat irregularities),” Wireless radiation exposure reduces levels of “master antioxidant” glutathione One particularly disturbing finding in Rubik and Brown’s study is the observable decrease in glutathione, the body’s “master antioxidant,” upon exposure to 5G and all wireless radiation At least two other study have found that WCR exposure correlates to greatly diminished glutathione levels, Rubik and Brown made specific notes in their paper about how “the finding of low glutathione levels” in Chinese Virus patients “further supports oxidative stress as a component” of covid infection. it is more than probable that Wireless Communication Radiation – and particularly the early activation in 5G in Wuhan, the epicenter of the plandemic – is directly contributing to the spread and severity of the Wuhan Virus. “The evidence for the connection between COVID and 5G, as well as other forms of wireless communications radiation (WCR), consisted of two main findings: the statistical correlation between COVID-19 symptoms / mortality and area-specific WCR intensity, including that of 5G; and the overlap between WCR effects on the body, and COVID-19 symptoms NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine) is powerful,antitoxin that replenishes glutathione, vitamin D also plays a role in protecting against covid and other respiratory ailments. microwave radiation with fast pulses, such as in digital cellular radiation, travels much deeper into the body than predicted by current conventional models. This effect becomes more pronounced with higher frequencies and with faster pulses. i appreciate this will be completely dismissed but it make more sense that the silly bat theory. Remember the photos of people in Wuhan throwing up blood and keeling over, ive never heard of a virus that could do that. Now that's something I can go and review! " This is the peer reviewed version I found, with reviews from 9 independent reviewers. For something this detailed, there's a 'gist' which is not intended to convey the full detail of the report. Here's my take on it: The report doesn't prove a connection. It does find a similarity between symptoms caused by or affected by RFR/EMF in specific cases, and some if the symptoms of Covid19. 5G is not an identified cause, but the paper and some reviewer's suggest that the overall increase in telecommunications technologies have raised the environmental levels of communications RFR above those anticipated when safety studies were originally carried out. In short, there's no proven link, but there should be a revisit of studies and fresh investigation of the effects of communications RFR given the growth of that tech in the last decade. Getting into the s of it, there are things in our environment which make humans weaker and more susceptible to various illnesses. These include just about every modern convenience developed in the last century. Things we eat, drink, wash in and are present in our air most of all. The end conclusion from some of the reviewers is: While there is no proof of a link, due to the effect of COVID on the world, we should revisit any research on areas where there is a question of impact on respiratory health before any further global growth in this area. The world didn't have COVID when 5G was researched as safe, it should be researched again now the situation has changed. That's how we learn, by asking questions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8580522/ | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Nobody ever claimed it it didn't prevent transmission
True. The problem however is that lots of people claimed it DID prevent transmission"People ruin everything! The first COVID vaccine was administered in the UK in early Dec 2020. COVID passports started in May 2021. Reports of transmission reduction had been investigated and evidenced since Jan 21, only a month after the first jabs. Was this a compound effect of the jabs, and other safety measures? Social distancing, masks etc. | |||
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"People really need to think about how much of this radiation you are exposed to daily. If it was causing covid, we'd have a lot more cases and a lot more deaths. Yes, 5g launched at a similar time and places with 5g ended up having more cases. Most likely because those places are bigger cities generally and have more people crammed together. " Why most likely? | |||
"People really need to think about how much of this radiation you are exposed to daily. If it was causing covid, we'd have a lot more cases and a lot more deaths. Yes, 5g launched at a similar time and places with 5g ended up having more cases. Most likely because those places are bigger cities generally and have more people crammed together. Why most likely? " if a random event is gonna happen, it will more likely be in a city with more people. That's how probability works. | |||
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really! | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really! "The opposite of both of those options also happens. So it's not really an either/or choice. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Nobody ever claimed it it didn't prevent transmission
True. The problem however is that lots of people claimed it DID prevent transmission"When did they start claiming that?… The Dutch health institute did a survey which as early as March 21 found the vaccination program was reducing transmission of the alpha variant by up to 80%.. that was quickly taken up by those advocating for vaccination. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions. let me quote a study that was released in december 2021 The argument that 5G millimeter wave radiation is absorbed within two millimeters of the skin is both false and outdated. In December 2021The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) published a new study warning about the dangers of 5G technology, including how it directly contributes to the symptoms of respiratory distress. For the study, Beverly Rubik and Robert R. Brown referenced an earlier paper published in May 2020 that showed a “statistically significant correlation between the intensity of radio-frequency radiation and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 in 31 countries throughout the world.” They also highlighted a U.S.-based study showing that areas of the country with 5G infrastructure already in place and operating showed significantly higher rates of serious illness and death which was being attributed to covid,. “Symptoms from both Wireless Communication Radiation and COVID-19 included blood changes such as short-term rouleaux (blood ‘clumping’), and long-term reduced hemoglobin (in severe COVID-19 cases); oxidative stress and injury in tissues and organs; immune system disruption, including suppression of T-lymphocytes and elevated inflammatory biomarkers; increased intracellular calcium, which facilitates virus entry and replication; and arrhythmias (heart beat irregularities),” Wireless radiation exposure reduces levels of “master antioxidant” glutathione One particularly disturbing finding in Rubik and Brown’s study is the observable decrease in glutathione, the body’s “master antioxidant,” upon exposure to 5G and all wireless radiation At least two other study have found that WCR exposure correlates to greatly diminished glutathione levels, Rubik and Brown made specific notes in their paper about how “the finding of low glutathione levels” in Chinese Virus patients “further supports oxidative stress as a component” of covid infection. it is more than probable that Wireless Communication Radiation – and particularly the early activation in 5G in Wuhan, the epicenter of the plandemic – is directly contributing to the spread and severity of the Wuhan Virus. “The evidence for the connection between COVID and 5G, as well as other forms of wireless communications radiation (WCR), consisted of two main findings: the statistical correlation between COVID-19 symptoms / mortality and area-specific WCR intensity, including that of 5G; and the overlap between WCR effects on the body, and COVID-19 symptoms NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine) is powerful,antitoxin that replenishes glutathione, vitamin D also plays a role in protecting against covid and other respiratory ailments. microwave radiation with fast pulses, such as in digital cellular radiation, travels much deeper into the body than predicted by current conventional models. This effect becomes more pronounced with higher frequencies and with faster pulses. i appreciate this will be completely dismissed but it make more sense that the silly bat theory. Remember the photos of people in Wuhan throwing up blood and keeling over, ive never heard of a virus that could do that. " Er all this “electrification hasn’t gone away… so if it is the source of illness rather than a virus, why have cases fallen not contained to rise… | |||
"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated... Always sad to hear that people have passed away. But have to ask in relation to you still continuing to take the shot....Even now that we know the gene therapy mrna shot does not have long lasting efficacy??? It's up to me whether I have the vaccine or not. I do not in my post say others should have it. People can do as they wish, have it or not have it. Of course it is up to you. Your body your choice. I made no reference to you referring to others having it or not. It was a simple question of understanding why you will still get the shot as many others on here who have had it now state they will not get it. Some have actually stated they only got it to travel or felt they had to have it because of work. So only to gain an understanding or reasons why, now that we know it doesn't last long at all and is not as effective as we were told. " Just because so many people on here do something, doesn't mean others have to follow the flock? | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really! "But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really! The opposite of both of those options also happens. So it's not really an either/or choice."This | |||
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"When the lightbulb was invented, then again with the telephone and a massive outbreak of something when colour televisions appeared." Eh? | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
"So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid…. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
"Well.... I know its tongue in cheek but actually... Its not that far from being believable to be honest. I'm alright Jack seems to be the new mantra. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
"But didn't that happen with lockdowns and is still happening now? No matter what you have you won't be seen or heard by the gp so you can just go and die alone at home as calling an ambulance isn't a great option either - they don't have enough empty beds in hospitals because they can't discharge elderly patients as some genius implemented mandatory vaccination for carers and now there's not enough staff  | |||
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"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
"Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you. I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem. If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful. There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid. If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc... Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was. https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021 | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021"Yep. Lot of truth in that. Said it at the time. Risk benefit analysis. I think it might have been a different discussion if the vaccines lasted longer or were more effective against infecting others. It's also accurate to say we don't really know yet what long term Consequences are of either having a covid infection or having a vaccine or both. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021"This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. While I appreciate the history lesson, (genuinely). I didn't see any actual evidence of a link. You could have said COVID is linked to Xbox FIFA 20, because they came out at the same time. Somewhere in the world, the telecommunications or electrical infrastructure is being updated or increased right now. And now. And now. And 100 years ago, and 50 years ago. I could draw causative lines between two unrelated events. Without evidence it doesn't work. And RF ionisation has been researched and reviewed to death for decades, and proven to have no effect on organic tissue. heres some interesting history The 1968 “Hong Kong Flu” Pandemic was likely caused by the "doubling of the number of satellites transmitting radar signals" going into space, the radiation from them reacting with the van allen belts which was then radiated to entire the earth below. 2002-2003. to coincide with the launch of 3G severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) exploded in China causing about 8,000 illnesses and 700 deaths. It spreads to 29 countries and then it disappears. Swine flu" pandemic 2009 to 2010. was first identified in Mexico in April 2009 coincided with the launch of 4G sars cov 2 South Korea was the first country to offer 5G in March 2019, then italy then wuhan… even as far back at 1918 with the telegraph wires going up or even further back : Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. So why didn't swine flu start in Mexico and COVID start in SK? If radar was a cause, why hasn't sea life died out? These aren't difficult questions, they're based on your assertions. let me quote a study that was released in december 2021 The argument that 5G millimeter wave radiation is absorbed within two millimeters of the skin is both false and outdated. In December 2021The National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) published a new study warning about the dangers of 5G technology, including how it directly contributes to the symptoms of respiratory distress. For the study, Beverly Rubik and Robert R. Brown referenced an earlier paper published in May 2020 that showed a “statistically significant correlation between the intensity of radio-frequency radiation and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 in 31 countries throughout the world.” They also highlighted a U.S.-based study showing that areas of the country with 5G infrastructure already in place and operating showed significantly higher rates of serious illness and death which was being attributed to covid,. “Symptoms from both Wireless Communication Radiation and COVID-19 included blood changes such as short-term rouleaux (blood ‘clumping’), and long-term reduced hemoglobin (in severe COVID-19 cases); oxidative stress and injury in tissues and organs; immune system disruption, including suppression of T-lymphocytes and elevated inflammatory biomarkers; increased intracellular calcium, which facilitates virus entry and replication; and arrhythmias (heart beat irregularities),” Wireless radiation exposure reduces levels of “master antioxidant” glutathione One particularly disturbing finding in Rubik and Brown’s study is the observable decrease in glutathione, the body’s “master antioxidant,” upon exposure to 5G and all wireless radiation At least two other study have found that WCR exposure correlates to greatly diminished glutathione levels, Rubik and Brown made specific notes in their paper about how “the finding of low glutathione levels” in Chinese Virus patients “further supports oxidative stress as a component” of covid infection. it is more than probable that Wireless Communication Radiation – and particularly the early activation in 5G in Wuhan, the epicenter of the plandemic – is directly contributing to the spread and severity of the Wuhan Virus. “The evidence for the connection between COVID and 5G, as well as other forms of wireless communications radiation (WCR), consisted of two main findings: the statistical correlation between COVID-19 symptoms / mortality and area-specific WCR intensity, including that of 5G; and the overlap between WCR effects on the body, and COVID-19 symptoms NAC (N-Acetyl L-Cysteine) is powerful,antitoxin that replenishes glutathione, vitamin D also plays a role in protecting against covid and other respiratory ailments. microwave radiation with fast pulses, such as in digital cellular radiation, travels much deeper into the body than predicted by current conventional models. This effect becomes more pronounced with higher frequencies and with faster pulses. i appreciate this will be completely dismissed but it make more sense that the silly bat theory. Remember the photos of people in Wuhan throwing up blood and keeling over, ive never heard of a virus that could do that. Er all this “electrification hasn’t gone away… so if it is the source of illness rather than a virus, why have cases fallen not contained to rise…" In humans, MM-waves have penetrating effects including impacts on the brain, producing EEG changes and other neurological/neuropsychiatric changes, increases in apparent electromagnetic hypersensitivity and produce changes on ulcers and cardiac activity | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing."Even at the time. Before the rollout of the 1st wave of jabs was complete. There was evidence that the benefits to the younger ones (who came last because why?) was limited. Indeed the az was eventually pulled for you get ones because the benefits didn't outweigh the risks. What wasn't happening at the time was any proper critical unbiased thinking. Because of the headlong rush. | |||
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"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Even at the time. Before the rollout of the 1st wave of jabs was complete. There was evidence that the benefits to the younger ones (who came last because why?) was limited. Indeed the az was eventually pulled for you get ones because the benefits didn't outweigh the risks. What wasn't happening at the time was any proper critical unbiased thinking. Because of the headlong rush. "No doubt there was more panic than we'd like, it caught everyone off guard didn't it? When was the last thing in our lifetime like this? I'm sure that decisions will be coming to light for years to come about things that could have been done better. Hopefully we'll learn and be better prepared for the next disaster that comes along. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Even at the time. Before the rollout of the 1st wave of jabs was complete. There was evidence that the benefits to the younger ones (who came last because why?) was limited. Indeed the az was eventually pulled for you get ones because the benefits didn't outweigh the risks. What wasn't happening at the time was any proper critical unbiased thinking. Because of the headlong rush.
No doubt there was more panic than we'd like, it caught everyone off guard didn't it? When was the last thing in our lifetime like this?
I'm sure that decisions will be coming to light for years to come about things that could have been done better.
Hopefully we'll learn and be better prepared for the next disaster that comes along.
"Above all things... Learn... I fear however we are blinded by agendas rather than doing better. Funny though I was talking to a gym this week... And she was saying yeah we've really struggled... We opened and then 2 months later covid hit... So we had to close... Then we had people queuing round the block to get in as access was limited to 10 .... I'd forgotten all about the ridiculous stuff we had to do it was only 2 years ago | |||
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"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing."Even for a year after December 2021,their still pushed the boosters onto younger people,and the government and media still didn't break down the deaths in 2022,so even with hindsight they still pushed it. Also,I'm sure at the end of 2020 the ONS would have had data from March to December of that year,so the government and media still could have explained the breakdown of deaths,but they didn't want to because 2021 was going to be a very lucrative year indeed...they couldn't have people knowing the truth. Many scientists said very early on that healthy people will be fine after a bout of covid,they said it was the vulnerable and elderly that needed help,but those Scientists got censored for stating the above didn't they. That's the disturbing thing about all of it,it's a known fact that science has always been built on debate,always proven each other wrong in the science world enabled the science to get better results,but with covid and the vaccines,all debate went out of the window. There was some American Scientists early on in the pandemic advising the American government that ivermectin would work good against covid,they flat out said no,they only wanted to go down one route and that's the vaccines. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Even for a year after December 2021,their still pushed the boosters onto younger people,and the government and media still didn't break down the deaths in 2022,so even with hindsight they still pushed it.
Also,I'm sure at the end of 2020 the ONS would have had data from March to December of that year,so the government and media still could have explained the breakdown of deaths,but they didn't want to because 2021 was going to be a very lucrative year indeed...they couldn't have people knowing the truth.
Many scientists said very early on that healthy people will be fine after a bout of covid,they said it was the vulnerable and elderly that needed help,but those Scientists got censored for stating the above didn't they.
That's the disturbing thing about all of it,it's a known fact that science has always been built on debate,always proven each other wrong in the science world enabled the science to get better results,but with covid and the vaccines,all debate went out of the window.
There was some American Scientists early on in the pandemic advising the American government that ivermectin would work good against covid,they flat out said no,they only wanted to go down one route and that's the vaccines."I'd agree that covid risk reduces with age. What I'm not sure I've seen data on is how vaccine risk changes with age. Because that is the tarde off anyone is being asked to make. That, and any risk they wish to take on to benefit others (iirc there have been some studies that show transmission rates reduce with vaccines, possibly using household cases). If I also recall correctly, the comorbidoties were fairly wide ranging with many people falling under it (i think it included diabities and possibly simply being overweight... It wasn't as I recall just the super ill that had morbidities) Finally, I thought most of the ivermectin studies were shown to be flawed (at best) or even falsified. And wasn't Trump pro invermectin. Or somehow linked positively to it? | |||
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"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Even for a year after December 2021,their still pushed the boosters onto younger people,and the government and media still didn't break down the deaths in 2022,so even with hindsight they still pushed it.
Also,I'm sure at the end of 2020 the ONS would have had data from March to December of that year,so the government and media still could have explained the breakdown of deaths,but they didn't want to because 2021 was going to be a very lucrative year indeed...they couldn't have people knowing the truth.
Many scientists said very early on that healthy people will be fine after a bout of covid,they said it was the vulnerable and elderly that needed help,but those Scientists got censored for stating the above didn't they.
That's the disturbing thing about all of it,it's a known fact that science has always been built on debate,always proven each other wrong in the science world enabled the science to get better results,but with covid and the vaccines,all debate went out of the window.
There was some American Scientists early on in the pandemic advising the American government that ivermectin would work good against covid,they flat out said no,they only wanted to go down one route and that's the vaccines.
I'd agree that covid risk reduces with age. What I'm not sure I've seen data on is how vaccine risk changes with age. Because that is the tarde off anyone is being asked to make. That, and any risk they wish to take on to benefit others (iirc there have been some studies that show transmission rates reduce with vaccines, possibly using household cases).
If I also recall correctly, the comorbidoties were fairly wide ranging with many people falling under it (i think it included diabities and possibly simply being overweight... It wasn't as I recall just the super ill that had morbidities)
Finally, I thought most of the ivermectin studies were shown to be flawed (at best) or even falsified. And wasn't Trump pro invermectin. Or somehow linked positively to it?"I have no idea about any of this, but because someone who loads of people dont like may have been for it, doesnt mean anything. People need to move away from this tribal nonsense and irrational hatred of people that clouds how they they think about things | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
Wow,I never actually said anything about leaving people to die at home,youre twisting things there aren't you.
I said most that passed away were in their 80s and 90s and had 3 or 4 health issues,they died with covid not of covid,so maybe if their caught a bad bout of flu they'd have passed with flu not of flu,it's the original health issues that caused the problem.
If the vaccines work then over 60s should have it,why push it on to people under 60 with no health issues who's immune system would have fought covid off fine,why didn't the government and media explain the breakdown of deaths,I bet people under 60 would not have been so fearful.
There's people vaccinating their children when kids are healthy and will fight off covid better than most,a child will probably get more problems from a trial vaccine than covid.
If a person has no health issues and is under 60,surely the best protection against covid is catching covid,with antibodies,natural immunity etc...
Just look at the stats below,the younger the age group the less death's they was.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
This data shows deaths between Feb 2020 and Dec 2021. So at the time no one knew this information? Would you have been happy with the vaccine only being given to the elderly because younger healthy people will probably be ok? Especially given that at the start of the pandemic, young healthy people were dying too. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Even for a year after December 2021,their still pushed the boosters onto younger people,and the government and media still didn't break down the deaths in 2022,so even with hindsight they still pushed it.
Also,I'm sure at the end of 2020 the ONS would have had data from March to December of that year,so the government and media still could have explained the breakdown of deaths,but they didn't want to because 2021 was going to be a very lucrative year indeed...they couldn't have people knowing the truth.
Many scientists said very early on that healthy people will be fine after a bout of covid,they said it was the vulnerable and elderly that needed help,but those Scientists got censored for stating the above didn't they.
That's the disturbing thing about all of it,it's a known fact that science has always been built on debate,always proven each other wrong in the science world enabled the science to get better results,but with covid and the vaccines,all debate went out of the window.
There was some American Scientists early on in the pandemic advising the American government that ivermectin would work good against covid,they flat out said no,they only wanted to go down one route and that's the vaccines.
I'd agree that covid risk reduces with age. What I'm not sure I've seen data on is how vaccine risk changes with age. Because that is the tarde off anyone is being asked to make. That, and any risk they wish to take on to benefit others (iirc there have been some studies that show transmission rates reduce with vaccines, possibly using household cases).
If I also recall correctly, the comorbidoties were fairly wide ranging with many people falling under it (i think it included diabities and possibly simply being overweight... It wasn't as I recall just the super ill that had morbidities)
Finally, I thought most of the ivermectin studies were shown to be flawed (at best) or even falsified. And wasn't Trump pro invermectin. Or somehow linked positively to it?
I have no idea about any of this, but because someone who loads of people dont like may have been for it, doesnt mean anything.
People need to move away from this tribal nonsense and irrational hatred of people that clouds how they they think about things"that wasn't my point. Someone said the US government shut down the invermectin angle. But I thought Trump was for it. However that may have been the other one, but invermectin does seem to have been promoted by the right wing of America. It's because of the other studies I'd say it wasnt a good idea. I'd give no weight to Trump one way or another. | |||
"oh give over with the RF non ionizing nonsense. here's flu pandemic one. Every major flu outbreak over the last 150 years has occurred alongside each quantum leap in the electrification of the earth. starting in the 1840s when Millions of miles of telegraph wires were strung around the earth continuing in the 1850s, 60s, 70s. Submarine cables were also laid. In 1889, alternating current, invented by Nikola Tesla, was harnessed, his patents were adopted by Westinghouse and all of a sudden we could transmit electricity long distances with little loss of power. This was harnessed extremely rapidly, so rapidly in fact that we went from virtually zero use of alternating current, to intense use of alternating current in one year. 1889 was the year of the first great modern influenza epidemic and this went worldwide and it lasted four years and it killed a couple of million people. The illness in question was the first modern influenza pandemic, known as the Russian flu or “La Grippe.” The disease likely emerged somewhere in the Russian Empire in 1889 and quickly spread around the world in successive waves. It took only four months to hit every part of the globe, with the United States seeing its peak in January 1890. More than a million people (of the 1.5 billion on earth) were killed worldwide in that first wave. " Flu is caused by electricity? Nonsense. Winston | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie. "Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me. "It's mind boggling to anyone with a mind, just do what the gov says, they'd never lie. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
It's mind boggling to anyone with a mind, just do what the gov says, they'd never lie."Of course the government isn't always truthful but to trust random grifters and click bait seekers instead is even more mind boggling. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me. "I've given up trying to argue with them, it's like swimming in custard. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me. "The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet. Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it. https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA | |||
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA"BJ was undoubtedly an email diot, and a liar. But none of the scientists or medical guidance said it prevents transmission did they? | |||
"Why do people feel the need to send me rude and lengthly PM about my reply on here. I do not in any way in my post say that others should have the vaccine or quote any data It seems to me that unvaccinated people are some of the rudest on Fab " It's done wonders for the block list! I'm usually pretty reasonable about debating things, always a chance to learn something new isn't it? However the level of blind stupidity shown in some of this posts would make the pope swear! | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
BJ was undoubtedly an email diot, and a liar. But none of the scientists or medical guidance said it prevents transmission did they?"Yes but the majority of people who listen to the government's word on any subject will always hear it via the news,the majority of people won't go on gov.uk or look for other information on a particular subject,they'll take a prime minsters word live on TV,not the people behind the scenes. A perfect example is the amount of vaccinated people I know who did not have a clue about section 174 in the emergency measures act,not one vaccinated person I know were aware of it,and that's because people don't like to think for themselves and go look into something,their listen to the news and think that's that,and the government and media know that the majority will believe everything they see. The media have the power to make an innocent person look guilty and vice versa,its only the small minority of critical thinkers that question things. I'm sure president biden constantly said that covid was an illness of the unvaccinated,and also he did say that if you've had your vaccination then you don't need to wear a mask,so if you didn't need to wear a mask then that must mean you can't catch covid right? | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA"You’re right he does say “stop infecting others”. He also said a lot of nonsense around brexit and covid so I didn’t really pay that much attention to him. I generally listened to the medical experts and ex colleagues who still work in pharmaceuticals when it came to the vaccine. | |||
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"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me " Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. | |||
"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term." What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. | |||
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"Wow... the stupid is strong with this group... especially the pro death-ers, sorry antivaxxers... "Haha,"pro deathers"..you're painting all unvaccinated with the same brush because of a few psychopaths who'd want people to die to prove their were right. And please,unvaccinated is the correct term,antivaxxer is a term used for a person against all vaccines,most unvaccinated aren't against all vaccines,just this particular one. | |||
"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. " This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8). | |||
"Wow... the stupid is strong with this group... especially the pro death-ers, sorry antivaxxers... "First day in the Virus forum?
It's the place common sense comes to die.
There are a lot of un vaccinated who can hold their position eloquently and they're interesting to exchange views with.
Then there's the "others" who views and conspiracy theories are so whackadoodle even the worlds greatest fiction writers would say "WTF are you on......?"
It's never a dull day here.
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"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8)." Yes it applies to all covid vaccinations but the az has a higher rate than the others in young men, which is why the az vaccine wasn't given to people under 30 in the uk.My point still stands that a live covid infection is many times more likely to result in a case of myocarditis than any of vaccination. | |||
"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8). Yes it applies to all covid vaccinations but the az has a higher rate than the others in young men, which is why the az vaccine wasn't given to people under 30 in the uk.My point still stands that a live covid infection is many times more likely to result in a case of myocarditis than any of vaccination." That sort of thinking just gets in the way of a good global conspiracy theory though! | |||
"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8). Yes it applies to all covid vaccinations but the az has a higher rate than the others in young men, which is why the az vaccine wasn't given to people under 30 in the uk.My point still stands that a live covid infection is many times more likely to result in a case of myocarditis than any of vaccination." Is it top trumps? Wouldn't this be easy enough to prove with the actual stats? Those under 30 who have had vaccines, those who haven't, and incidence of myocarditis? I mean its not a complex report. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
BJ was undoubtedly an email diot, and a liar. But none of the scientists or medical guidance said it prevents transmission did they?
Yes but the majority of people who listen to the government's word on any subject will always hear it via the news,the majority of people won't go on gov.uk or look for other information on a particular subject,they'll take a prime minsters word live on TV,not the people behind the scenes.
A perfect example is the amount of vaccinated people I know who did not have a clue about section 174 in the emergency measures act,not one vaccinated person I know were aware of it,and that's because people don't like to think for themselves and go look into something,their listen to the news and think that's that,and the government and media know that the majority will believe everything they see.
The media have the power to make an innocent person look guilty and vice versa,its only the small minority of critical thinkers that question things.
I'm sure president biden constantly said that covid was an illness of the unvaccinated,and also he did say that if you've had your vaccination then you don't need to wear a mask,so if you didn't need to wear a mask then that must mean you can't catch covid right?
"There a good point in that post. A lot of people don't think critically, but why? Go back far enough and the things we read in newspapers and we're told in gov statements etc had to be checked, passed and agreed as factually accurate and appropriate to be broadcast as verifiable information. The rise of media as opposed to news means that information that available to people no longer meets the same standard as it used to. Essentially, if it's on t'internet or telly it must be true! Which is why it's important for me that people think about what THEY put into the world. Don't add to the mess, and clear it up when you can, but don't add baseless conjecture and opinion dressed up as fact. Unfortunately, I see these statements every day, sold as facts and can imagine people reading them and making decisions based on them. | |||
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Pfizer trying to pass off their work in the name of science yet again lol......
and people will believe what they hear and do what they are told.....
remember this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeU2NnMSPk
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021"Yes those are the actual numbers and we destroyed so much for those sort of numbers …. Financially destroying so many businesses ( Small ) .. People not getting any treatments or even diagnosis .. childrens developement … Mental health … the list is almost endless | |||
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"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
There are vaccines not a vaccine so there is your first embarrassment
Now then, care to compound the embarrassment by giving more details on the “doesn’t prevent transition” line… please
https://youtube.com/shorts/-CCaJLR1zhQ?feature=share
It's transmission not transition ...glass houses and stones
Goddam autocorrect!
I think you will find the vaccines do indeed reduce transmission, be that directly or indirectly but the question asked was had this been tested prior to the roll out…. Of course not It’s not an easy thing to test because it would involve intentionally infecting a considerable number of immunised and control test subjects with a potentially lethal disease and then exposing even more people to those infected whilst isolating all participants for many weeks. The vaccines were show to be effective in reducing serious illness and shown to be safe. Cases of serious covid infections declined following vaccinations.. did the case rates fall in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated? If it did that’s pretty good evidence that vaccination does reduce transmission
But the government said "don't get it for yourself,get it for others".
So it was complete fake advertisement,guilt tripping people into getting it.
So you've got to ask why did their lie?
The vaccines don't stop transmission,yet the first NHS letter received for you're first vaccination did say up to 80% reduction in transmission,have a check if you still have you're first letter.
So NHS and the government were saying it stops transmission,Pfizer didn't test for transmission.....doesn't look good does it.
And when you say that serious covid infections declined,well we know that could have been manipulated to make it look like its working,let's not forget the actual ONS death stats versus the media stats,absolutely different figures,media manipulated the figures to pump fear.
Here is the actual covid death's from March 2020 to December 2021...its quite shocking.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
Yes those are the actual numbers and we destroyed so much for those sort of numbers …. Financially destroying so many businesses ( Small ) .. People not getting any treatments or even diagnosis .. childrens developement … Mental health … the list is almost endless "It's the easiest thing in the world to look at this situation and say 'it would have been a million times better if X Y And X weren't done. The fact is, we'll never know for certain what would have happened if things had been done differently. It might have all blown over in a couple of weeks. The world might have ended as c19 rinsed through the population with nothing to check transmission or the effects on the infected. Be grateful that you didn't have to make any of the big decisions. Because whatever you did, someone would be sat here now saying it was wrong. | |||
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"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media." You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks "So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know"Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for. Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. "Yes, as a taxpayer and a voter, I feel entitled to a government that isnt a complete fuckup. Please keep throwing the conspiracy theorist insult around also, I quite like it. However im surprised you could even see my post from atop your white horse perched on your pedestal, must be getting a good 5g signal from all these jabs | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. Yes, as a taxpayer and a voter, I feel entitled to a government that isnt a complete fuckup. Please keep throwing the conspiracy theorist insult around also, I quite like it.
However im surprised you could even see my post from atop your white horse perched on your pedestal, must be getting a good 5g signal from all these jabs "The good news is we're both sure of our opinions and position! There's no doubt that some people will have made selfish decisions. Some will have done things purely based on profiting from the situation. I still think that the vast majority of people were trying their best in an awful situation. Where does your position end, who does it stop with being at fault? Given a choice between blaming people in an impossible situation or making the best of the situation now, I know what I've chosen. | |||
"My friend didn't have the vaccine, she caught COVID and died 5 weeks later. I shall continue to get vaccinated..." | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. Yes, as a taxpayer and a voter, I feel entitled to a government that isnt a complete fuckup. Please keep throwing the conspiracy theorist insult around also, I quite like it.
However im surprised you could even see my post from atop your white horse perched on your pedestal, must be getting a good 5g signal from all these jabs
The good news is we're both sure of our opinions and position!
There's no doubt that some people will have made selfish decisions. Some will have done things purely based on profiting from the situation. I still think that the vast majority of people were trying their best in an awful situation. Where does your position end, who does it stop with being at fault? Given a choice between blaming people in an impossible situation or making the best of the situation now, I know what I've chosen."You are talking like it's an either or? I can criticise the decisions made and want those responsible held accountable whilst also getting on with my life. It's not a one or the other situation for me. I don't see any situation in absolutes to be honest, it's all shades of grey. It's why I find the arguments on here between the pro and anti vaxxers hilarious because the truth will always be somewhere in between. | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. Yes, as a taxpayer and a voter, I feel entitled to a government that isnt a complete fuckup. Please keep throwing the conspiracy theorist insult around also, I quite like it.
However im surprised you could even see my post from atop your white horse perched on your pedestal, must be getting a good 5g signal from all these jabs
The good news is we're both sure of our opinions and position!
There's no doubt that some people will have made selfish decisions. Some will have done things purely based on profiting from the situation. I still think that the vast majority of people were trying their best in an awful situation. Where does your position end, who does it stop with being at fault? Given a choice between blaming people in an impossible situation or making the best of the situation now, I know what I've chosen.You are talking like it's an either or? I can criticise the decisions made and want those responsible held accountable whilst also getting on with my life. It's not a one or the other situation for me. I don't see any situation in absolutes to be honest, it's all shades of grey.
It's why I find the arguments on here between the pro and anti vaxxers hilarious because the truth will always be somewhere in between."That's the first thing you've said I agree with! | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. Yes, as a taxpayer and a voter, I feel entitled to a government that isnt a complete fuckup. Please keep throwing the conspiracy theorist insult around also, I quite like it.
However im surprised you could even see my post from atop your white horse perched on your pedestal, must be getting a good 5g signal from all these jabs
The good news is we're both sure of our opinions and position!
There's no doubt that some people will have made selfish decisions. Some will have done things purely based on profiting from the situation. I still think that the vast majority of people were trying their best in an awful situation. Where does your position end, who does it stop with being at fault? Given a choice between blaming people in an impossible situation or making the best of the situation now, I know what I've chosen.You are talking like it's an either or? I can criticise the decisions made and want those responsible held accountable whilst also getting on with my life. It's not a one or the other situation for me. I don't see any situation in absolutes to be honest, it's all shades of grey.
It's why I find the arguments on here between the pro and anti vaxxers hilarious because the truth will always be somewhere in between.
That's the first thing you've said I agree with! "If we all agreed with each other constantly the world would be very dull | |||
"The decisions people find ridiculous now were also ridiculed by anyone not currently hiding behind their sofa in fear. It isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. Shall we revisit a few of the ridiculous strategies? Eat out to help out - Speaks for itself. Obesity was a massive factor in your outcome with covid but let's give people cut price McDonald's. Gym closures - A ridiculous decision made by a massive majority of people who have never been healthy in their life Masks while standing in pubs - but can sit and shout to your hearts content between tables because you couldn't sit with your friends. 10pm curfew - cause y'know covid is a night owl. Track and trace - full app, not fit for purpose. Yet another big brown envelope under the table job. That's not even getting into the lies and half truths told about the jabs by our supposed leaders and then parroted by the media. You just proved my point quite eloquently. Thanks So you also think out government dropped the ball massively multiple times throughout and choose lining their pockets over public health? Good to know
Hilarious. The point about conspiracy theorists picking it details that fit their narrative rather than objectively reviewing them. Also the point about being lucky to be in this position because of the hard work and tough decisions others took responsibility for.
Your sense of entitlement and vitriol is truly sickening. "it's not so much the decisions that are debated when it comes to "conspiracy theorists" but their reasoning. I can agree all those decisions were pretty shit and inconsistent while also holding the view that the original strains of covid were contagious and life threatening/changing to many, much more than a cold, and the vaccines help reduce its risks in various way (albeit not entirely risk free). | |||
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"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
But didn't that happen with lockdowns and is still happening now?
No matter what you have you won't be seen or heard by the gp so you can just go and die alone at home as calling an ambulance isn't a great option either - they don't have enough empty beds in hospitals because they can't discharge elderly patients as some genius implemented mandatory vaccination for carers and now there's not enough staff "Brexit warning !!!! We no longer have the ability to employ and bring into the country workers who did the careers jobs in nursing homes that’s main reason why we have bed blockage | |||
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"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8). Yes it applies to all covid vaccinations but the az has a higher rate than the others in young men, which is why the az vaccine wasn't given to people under 30 in the uk.My point still stands that a live covid infection is many times more likely to result in a case of myocarditis than any of vaccination." Where does it say az has a higher rate?I'm just curious that's all? I wasn't aware a live covid infection was more likely to cause myocarditis,was this established before the vaccines were released or before?...genuinely interested. | |||
"I had an incident in Oct 2021, collapsed in a coffee shop, woke up in hospital, generally fit and well. Long story short, diagnosis was myocarditis. The doc said "I'm not saying something specific is to blame, but you didn't have this before and something has happened this year" I asked him, the jab? He said he couldn't really say or state his opinion..... Spoke volumes to me Yes,myocarditis is particular a higher risk with younger male adults who've taken the vaccine within 14 days,maybe it goes beyond that for the long term. What you say isn't incorrect but would like to clarify the statement. This is more pertinent to the az covid vaccine, ie none mrna technology. Even with this vaccination a younger male is much more likely to have mycarditis from a natural covid infection than the az or any other covid vaccine. Thankfully mycarditis in younger is very very rarely fatal and in most cases in transient and suffers make a quick full recovery. This paragraph from the gov.uk states that it is from the MRNA vaccine too. Maybe it got updated from last time you looked at. There is an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis occurring after vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. These conditions can develop within just a few days after vaccination, and have primarily occurred within 14 days. They have been observed more often after the second vaccination, and more often in younger males (see section 4.8). Yes it applies to all covid vaccinations but the az has a higher rate than the others in young men, which is why the az vaccine wasn't given to people under 30 in the uk.My point still stands that a live covid infection is many times more likely to result in a case of myocarditis than any of vaccination. That sort of thinking just gets in the way of a good global conspiracy theory though! "I've never once mentioned anything about global conspiracies,you're kind of pigeonholing there aren't you. The myocarditis information I put up is fact..is it not?,the information is from the actual gov.uk website. | |||
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"To that person that pmd me on the back of this thread then blocked me at least have the guts to post openly!!" they wont post openley and the reason the block straight away is because they cant back up what there saying, just parroting what the beeb or sky are feeding them | |||
"To that person that pmd me on the back of this thread then blocked me at least have the guts to post openly!!" Lol I got the same. I’m not even anti vax I just don’t want another jab after it wiped me out. | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
You’re right he does say “stop infecting others”.
He also said a lot of nonsense around brexit and covid so I didn’t really pay that much attention to him. I generally listened to the medical experts and ex colleagues who still work in pharmaceuticals when it came to the vaccine. "It was good that the medical experts followed in the next clip shouting out to the public about the lies they’d been fed by the PM. That showed real integrity! To stand against the PMs statements, for the good of society, and inform the public, because they were better placed to comment. Or… maybe that didn’t happen? | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
You’re right he does say “stop infecting others”.
He also said a lot of nonsense around brexit and covid so I didn’t really pay that much attention to him. I generally listened to the medical experts and ex colleagues who still work in pharmaceuticals when it came to the vaccine.
It was good that the medical experts followed in the next clip shouting out to the public about the lies they’d been fed by the PM. That showed real integrity! To stand against the PMs statements, for the good of society, and inform the public, because they were better placed to comment. Or… maybe that didn’t happen?"Well clearly they did at some point because I was very well informed about the vaccine, its purpose, the goals of the roll along with the potential risks (that you get with all vaccines). It could be that I chose to be well informed because I don’t believe everything I read on Facebook! | |||
"Glad I had not one single vaccination, worked all through the lockdown. Isn't it funny how we don't hear the statistics on the news anymore. Has covid disappeared? " there was a thread a week or so ago on XS deaths. The tldr is that it's no longer "new" data so not news. And while in 2020 there was very little else going on, there's plenty of other new stuff for the news to talk about. You'd add onto that numbers are a lot lower (I wonder why). It's as though lots of things have been done to make it non newsworthy. If it was still news then vaccine hesitant ppl would have a point. | |||
"Just got to admire all the World leading Scientists here!!!!!
It is a simple choice, either have the vaccinations that will educate your body so that if you catch COVID-19, it will be fairly mild.
Alternatively, do not have the vaccinations and have the risk of dying from COVID-19 if you catch it - simples really!
But most people wouldn't die from covid without vaccination,over 90% of people who died had 3 to 4 health issues and the average age was 80 upwards,they died with covid not of it,the proof is there at the ONS.
So what you are saying is we should have just ignored it. MPs first goal is to get themselves re-elected. You are saying voters would have accepted a government that announcement that to relieve the health service anyone over 80 would not be treated and should be left to die at home. That voters would have accepted a do nothing policy that allowed 800,000 deaths of people with covid….
But didn't that happen with lockdowns and is still happening now?
No matter what you have you won't be seen or heard by the gp so you can just go and die alone at home as calling an ambulance isn't a great option either - they don't have enough empty beds in hospitals because they can't discharge elderly patients as some genius implemented mandatory vaccination for carers and now there's not enough staff
Brexit warning !!!!
We no longer have the ability to employ and bring into the country workers who did the careers jobs in nursing homes that’s main reason why we have bed blockage "https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/social-care/warning-many-care-workers-will-not-return-to-jobs-despite-vaccine-rule-change-02-03-2022/ Really? Brexit? Are you that delusional? | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
You’re right he does say “stop infecting others”.
He also said a lot of nonsense around brexit and covid so I didn’t really pay that much attention to him. I generally listened to the medical experts and ex colleagues who still work in pharmaceuticals when it came to the vaccine.
It was good that the medical experts followed in the next clip shouting out to the public about the lies they’d been fed by the PM. That showed real integrity! To stand against the PMs statements, for the good of society, and inform the public, because they were better placed to comment. Or… maybe that didn’t happen?
Well clearly they did at some point because I was very well informed about the vaccine, its purpose, the goals of the roll along with the potential risks (that you get with all vaccines). It could be that I chose to be well informed because I don’t believe everything I read on Facebook! "I see this take often but the reality is, it was all over the media that if you got the jab, you couldn't transmit the virus. Slogans like "get your jab and save granny" or "get jabbed and the virus stops with you". If your supposed leader who is "following the science" is saying that the virus can't be transmitted by the vaccinated then obviously people are going to believe it. The data about how quick the protection waned and how little it stopped forward transmission only started hitting mainstream media after most had had 1st jab, a lot had their 2nd. One of the many reasons I stopped at 2 and I'm glad I did with some of the reactions friends had after having the AZ for first 2 then pfizer for booster. | |||
"To that person that pmd me on the back of this thread then blocked me at least have the guts to post openly!! Lol I got the same. I’m not even anti vax I just don’t want another jab after it wiped me out. " Probably same person! And no I'm not antivax have flu jab every year ! Just not having anymore of the covid jabs because of what I put down to happening since I had the 2 x | |||
"I’ve never been for mandated vaccination either, let Darwinism sort them out, provided the refuser risks only themselves that is. Those working with more vulnerable members of society should take their social responsibilities seriously or change careers. The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It was a big lie.
Who told you that it prevents transmission, the internet? The vaccine was designed to help you fight covid and reduce the need for hospitalisation. It wasn’t a cure. Like all vaccinations some people had reactions and side effects and some even died. The majority did not. For the OP to suggest that the vaccine is responsible for messing up their immune system without actually finding out the cause just baffles me.
The prime minister at the time,top guy in the government,not the internet.
Check out 1.18 onwards,he 100% says it stops you infecting others,and I know I heard him say it at least two other times before,but I'm struggling to find the links,but this one shows he does say it.
https://youtu.be/fmmTo9lxyPA
You’re right he does say “stop infecting others”.
He also said a lot of nonsense around brexit and covid so I didn’t really pay that much attention to him. I generally listened to the medical experts and ex colleagues who still work in pharmaceuticals when it came to the vaccine.
It was good that the medical experts followed in the next clip shouting out to the public about the lies they’d been fed by the PM. That showed real integrity! To stand against the PMs statements, for the good of society, and inform the public, because they were better placed to comment. Or… maybe that didn’t happen?
Well clearly they did at some point because I was very well informed about the vaccine, its purpose, the goals of the roll along with the potential risks (that you get with all vaccines). It could be that I chose to be well informed because I don’t believe everything I read on Facebook! "Some people delivered a message, to you, at some point! Integrity would drive some of these medical professionals to find their voices and make sure when Boris said what he did… they say no! No it doesn’t do that!…Via a similar platform? | |||
