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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed....." 80% of the uk population have had at least one covid vaccination. Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination. | |||
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if I turned down the jab when the government that parties through out told us covid was “dangerous” why would I have it now that it’s a minor ailment, I’ve suffered worse from my seasonal hay fever | |||
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"Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination." Is this true 94% of the UK's population over 12years old have had at least one jab? I thought there was somewhere between 35%-40% of the UK's population un-jabbed? I have no sources to prove any of this but there is a big difference between 40% and 6%...? | |||
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"Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination. Is this true 94% of the UK's population over 12years old have had at least one jab? I thought there was somewhere between 35%-40% of the UK's population un-jabbed? I have no sources to prove any of this but there is a big difference between 40% and 6%...?" Yes it's true, you an find this on the ONS website. 94% of over 12s have had at least 1, 88% at least 2 and 70% 3 or more. That's up until end of August figures, would presume not much has changed though as the autumn boosters wil mostly keep people in the 3+ bracket | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid..." I stood in line proudly to be vaccinated. Marvelled at the volunteers & terrific organisation. 2 x AstraZeneca jabs nearly killed me. This time last year actually. I’m not anti vax but just no more for me thanks. | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... I stood in line proudly to be vaccinated. Marvelled at the volunteers & terrific organisation. 2 x AstraZeneca jabs nearly killed me. This time last year actually. I’m not anti vax but just no more for me thanks. " Out of interest, have you had any advice from the gp or medical profession to take or not take covid or other vaccines since? Did they advise you what caused your adverse reaction or just treat it and move on.? | |||
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"On the uk office for national statistics from 1st jan 22 till 31 may 22 there has been 1447 unvaccinated deaths 13666 vaccinated deaths 12442 triple/quad vaccinated deaths I think the 6% made the right call the vaccine has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread or the deaths and will be linked to the current outburst of athletes dying from heart attacks when the independent studies are allowed to be released " Any links at all for the athletes. They are interesting as they tend to have a lot lower covid vaccination rate than the general population. From your figures 5.5% of the deaths were unvaccinated. That is much higher than you would expect with the old and vulnerable pretty much 100% vaccinated. | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid..." My sisters best friend was coerced by her employer into taking the jab, 24 hours later lost all feelings in her legs and now has to walk with a frame.. she’s 32 | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... I stood in line proudly to be vaccinated. Marvelled at the volunteers & terrific organisation. 2 x AstraZeneca jabs nearly killed me. This time last year actually. I’m not anti vax but just no more for me thanks. Out of interest, have you had any advice from the gp or medical profession to take or not take covid or other vaccines since? Did they advise you what caused your adverse reaction or just treat it and move on.? " The GP said it was up to me. When I mentioned to the cardiology nurse that I was reluctant to have a booster she said “ I don’t blame you”. I’m on thinners and waiting to hear if I need to be for life , so probably at less risk of more clots than others. My case went down as ‘unprovoked’. However, I’m pretty fit, never had a clot before, no recent surgery or flights. Few months after the 2nd jab I had a huge clot in my lung that was straining my heart. I was told that I was at imminent risk of heart failure, thankfully that didn’t occur and I got the all clear on my heart a few months ago. As I said, I’m not anti vax and accept that millions had it no problem. I happen to know two guys that had strokes after 2 x AstraZeneca, both younger than me. I feel I had a lucky escape. | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... I stood in line proudly to be vaccinated. Marvelled at the volunteers & terrific organisation. 2 x AstraZeneca jabs nearly killed me. This time last year actually. I’m not anti vax but just no more for me thanks. Out of interest, have you had any advice from the gp or medical profession to take or not take covid or other vaccines since? Did they advise you what caused your adverse reaction or just treat it and move on.? The GP said it was up to me. When I mentioned to the cardiology nurse that I was reluctant to have a booster she said “ I don’t blame you”. I’m on thinners and waiting to hear if I need to be for life , so probably at less risk of more clots than others. My case went down as ‘unprovoked’. However, I’m pretty fit, never had a clot before, no recent surgery or flights. Few months after the 2nd jab I had a huge clot in my lung that was straining my heart. I was told that I was at imminent risk of heart failure, thankfully that didn’t occur and I got the all clear on my heart a few months ago. As I said, I’m not anti vax and accept that millions had it no problem. I happen to know two guys that had strokes after 2 x AstraZeneca, both younger than me. I feel I had a lucky escape. " Thanks for replying. I'm not sure if to have another booster...i know in medicine there are no certainties but what I find... Confusing is how it is after your experience that they have not been able to explain what happened, why and provide better clinical advice than... "it's up to you". | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... My sisters best friend was coerced by her employer into taking the jab, 24 hours later lost all feelings in her legs and now has to walk with a frame.. she’s 32 " How awful. Life changing. Let’s hope she makes a full recovery. | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... My sisters best friend was coerced by her employer into taking the jab, 24 hours later lost all feelings in her legs and now has to walk with a frame.. she’s 32 How awful. Life changing. Let’s hope she makes a full recovery." Yeah let’s hope so, she went to bed same day feeling a bit rough with a pins and needle type feeling in her feet and calfes. Woke up and no feeling beneath both knees. Gradually improving over the last year but still nowhere near full movement. | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... My sisters best friend was coerced by her employer into taking the jab, 24 hours later lost all feelings in her legs and now has to walk with a frame.. she’s 32 How awful. Life changing. Let’s hope she makes a full recovery. Yeah let’s hope so, she went to bed same day feeling a bit rough with a pins and needle type feeling in her feet and calfes. Woke up and no feeling beneath both knees. Gradually improving over the last year but still nowhere near full movement." Same as seb above... Is she getting any help with it? Do they know yet what happened to cause it? | |||
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"My friend refused to be vaccinated, she died of Covid... My sisters best friend was coerced by her employer into taking the jab, 24 hours later lost all feelings in her legs and now has to walk with a frame.. she’s 32 How awful. Life changing. Let’s hope she makes a full recovery. Yeah let’s hope so, she went to bed same day feeling a bit rough with a pins and needle type feeling in her feet and calfes. Woke up and no feeling beneath both knees. Gradually improving over the last year but still nowhere near full movement. Same as seb above... Is she getting any help with it? Do they know yet what happened to cause it? " They think it’s some sort of nerve damage due to lack of blood circulation to her legs. She’s been having physio and some sort of injections but they do not know or not if she will get better as yet. | |||
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"On the uk office for national statistics from 1st jan 22 till 31 may 22 there has been 1447 unvaccinated deaths 13666 vaccinated deaths 12442 triple/quad vaccinated deaths I think the 6% made the right call the vaccine has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread or the deaths and will be linked to the current outburst of athletes dying from heart attacks when the independent studies are allowed to be released " Which table are those values in? There are many tables and I can’t find your figures in the data reported by the ONS. | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed....." The main question is, of all the people who've been jabbed twice, what's actually left in their system years later ? I'm not talking about the boosted people but the "fully vaccinated" double jabbed | |||
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"No definitely no regrets. I know of 2 people personally who had strokes not long after their second dose. " I had a stroke two and a half weeks after my third. I'm not having the fourth. | |||
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"On the uk office for national statistics from 1st jan 22 till 31 may 22 there has been 1447 unvaccinated deaths 13666 vaccinated deaths 12442 triple/quad vaccinated deaths I think the 6% made the right call the vaccine has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread or the deaths and will be linked to the current outburst of athletes dying from heart attacks when the independent studies are allowed to be released Which table are those values in? There are many tables and I can’t find your figures in the data reported by the ONS." Because it is bollocks | |||
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"Sorry. Just read a few comments on this thread. How do you even know what variant you catch. Seen people saying they had this variant or that variant. You were positive or negative that’s about as much info as you had and even then those tests were a load of crap anyway. " Due to the time when they had it what was the dominant strain.. Had a headache and felt a bit warm for an hour (covid) couple of ibuprofen done gone (caught it from a fully vaccinated who were ill for a month). NO JAB for me easy choice. If a lying, theiveing, corrupt, hippocritical treasonous, poisonous, slimy polititan tells you to do anything do the opposite | |||
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"No definitely no regrets. I know of 2 people personally who had strokes not long after their second dose. I had a stroke two and a half weeks after my third. I'm not having the fourth. " Really? That was my biggest fear. How are you now? I know two guys local to me that had strokes after 2 x AstraZeneca | |||
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" Really? That was my biggest fear. How are you now? " I am virtually back to normal except some numbness in my left hand and a slight bit in my left foot | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed....." No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu… | |||
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"On the uk office for national statistics from 1st jan 22 till 31 may 22 there has been 1447 unvaccinated deaths 13666 vaccinated deaths 12442 triple/quad vaccinated deaths I think the 6% made the right call the vaccine has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread or the deaths and will be linked to the current outburst of athletes dying from heart attacks when the independent studies are allowed to be released Which table are those values in? There are many tables and I can’t find your figures in the data reported by the ONS. Because it is bollocks " It probably true…. Problem is they have no clue in how to actually interpret the data they are spouting.. Those figures would actually show you that people who are unvaccinated make up a greater proportion of those who died, plus bearing in mind the older you are the more likely you are to have had the jab and the more likely you are to pass away (obviously) It means that younger unvaccinated people make up a larger proportion | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu…"And that last bit isn’t true either.. and I wish people would stop repeating it, Covid has a 10x higher fatality rate than the flu does | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu…
And that last bit isn’t true either.. and I wish people would stop repeating it,
Covid has a 10x higher fatality rate than the flu does "Not according to ONS website. Not sure where you got your figures from. | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu…
And that last bit isn’t true either.. and I wish people would stop repeating it,
Covid has a 10x higher fatality rate than the flu does
Not according to ONS website. Not sure where you got your figures from. "And don't forget flu figures are not as well documented as Covid because no one is paranoid about flu figures and testing isn't as regularly available. Of course if you test vigorously for something you will find it | |||
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"Another one of polar opposites. I wonder what the covid vaccines situation has done to our other vaccines uptake in general.? I can't help but feel the scepticism and huge amount of mistrust can only be damaging to our other vaccines uptake that we've lived with for many years. Have no such evidence in support but it feels like people have become much more selfish. "   | |||
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"Sorry. Just read a few comments on this thread. How do you even know what variant you catch. Seen people saying they had this variant or that variant. You were positive or negative that’s about as much info as you had and even then those tests were a load of crap anyway. Due to the time when they had it what was the dominant strain.. Had a headache and felt a bit warm for an hour (covid) couple of ibuprofen done gone (caught it from a fully vaccinated who were ill for a month). NO JAB for me easy choice. If a lying, theiveing, corrupt, hippocritical treasonous, poisonous, slimy polititan tells you to do anything do the opposite " Amen to that | |||
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"Sorry. Just read a few comments on this thread. How do you even know what variant you catch. Seen people saying they had this variant or that variant. You were positive or negative that’s about as much info as you had and even then those tests were a load of crap anyway. Due to the time when they had it what was the dominant strain.. Had a headache and felt a bit warm for an hour (covid) couple of ibuprofen done gone (caught it from a fully vaccinated who were ill for a month). NO JAB for me easy choice. If a lying, theiveing, corrupt, hippocritical treasonous, poisonous, slimy polititan tells you to do anything do the opposite Amen to that " | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed....." Absolutely not. We feel it was the right decision for us but completely understand why others wanted or felt they needed to  | |||
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"So creampie14 messages me to call me a "muppet" because i havent responded to his message about the injection being poison straight away. Firstly i have a life and dont spend my day on here begging for meets. Now blocked me so not able to answer the original question lol In answer look at the record amount of sportsmen/woman that have collapsed and died with heart issues for a starters. " Are you able to provide a credible source for those statistics please. Ta muchly. | |||
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"So creampie14 messages me to call me a "muppet" because i havent responded to his message about the injection being poison straight away. Firstly i have a life and dont spend my day on here begging for meets. Now blocked me so not able to answer the original question lol In answer look at the record amount of sportsmen/woman that have collapsed and died with heart issues for a starters. Are you able to provide a credible source for those statistics please. Ta muchly. " What’s the point. Every time somebody does provide a source for their information the FAB Pro jab brigade all come out and discredit the person or publication that dare to go against the agenda. | |||
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"the UK Health Security Agency report, 32.4 million people have had a single dose, 29.7 million people have had a second dose, and 15 million people have had a third dose as of December 12th 2021. This means there are 23.5 million people who have refused to partake in the largest real-world experiment ever conducted, not just 5 million that has been claimed for months and used to write discrimatory articles condemning anyone who dared to question the narrative." Obviously those figures are massively out of date well about 11 months out of date. Not everyone over 12 had even been offered it back then. Just under 54 million had had at least one jab as of last month. Only a tiny minority of the adult population are unjabbed, which of course is their right. | |||
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"So creampie14 messages me to call me a "muppet" because i havent responded to his message about the injection being poison straight away. Firstly i have a life and dont spend my day on here begging for meets. Now blocked me so not able to answer the original question lol In answer look at the record amount of sportsmen/woman that have collapsed and died with heart issues for a starters. Are you able to provide a credible source for those statistics please. Ta muchly. What’s the point. Every time somebody does provide a source for their information the FAB Pro jab brigade all come out and discredit the person or publication that dare to go against the agenda." It is because the same source are provided and they have been in the main discredited. Most have have fundamental flaws or have carefully cherry picked the stats to suit their narrative. | |||
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"So creampie14 messages me to call me a "muppet" because i havent responded to his message about the injection being poison straight away. Firstly i have a life and dont spend my day on here begging for meets. Now blocked me so not able to answer the original question lol In answer look at the record amount of sportsmen/woman that have collapsed and died with heart issues for a starters. Are you able to provide a credible source for those statistics please. Ta muchly. What’s the point. Every time somebody does provide a source for their information the FAB Pro jab brigade all come out and discredit the person or publication that dare to go against the agenda. It is because the same source are provided and they have been in the main discredited. Most have have fundamental flaws or have carefully cherry picked the stats to suit their narrative." So when the arguments against the vaccine have cherry picked stats that’s bad but when the arguments for do the same it’s all | |||
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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats." All the high profile footballers that had heart problemsare unvaccinated. If there is an increase in heart problems in athletes then the logical thing to blame would be the covid virus which can cause damage to the heart but in fact there doesn't seem to be any increase in heart problems with athletes over the last 2 years. | |||
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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats." REUTERS FACT CHECK NOVEMBER 29, 20212:29 PMUPDATED A YEAR AGO Fact Check-No evidence COVID-19 vaccines are linked to athletes collapsing or dying from myocarditis By Reuters Fact Check Refiling to correct spelling of Christian Eriksen’s name There is no evidence currently that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to an increase in sportspeople collapsing or dying due to heart issues such as myocarditis. Numerous montage videos showing sports stars collapsing or suffering chest pains during matches are circulating on social media (here, here). One clip shared on Facebook (here) shows several incidents of football players collapsing on the pitch. It also includes news headlines about similar cases from around the world of sport, both professional and amateur. Another post (here) includes a link to a blog (here) which strongly suggests the incidents are related to COVID-19 vaccines. Reuters presented the posts to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), the British regulator for drugs and vaccines, which said there is currently no supporting evidence to back up such claims. MHRA chief executive Dr June Raine said: “The MHRA closely monitors the safety and effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines, including reports of suspected heart inflammation, myocarditis or pericarditis. “Myocarditis or pericarditis remains a very rare potential risk with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and the events reported are typically mild with individuals usually recovering within a short time with standard treatment and rest. The current evidence does not suggest that sporting exercise is a contributing risk for these very rare events. “The public’s safety is our top priority. Our advice remains that?the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in?the vast majority of?people. It is vitally important that people come forward for their vaccination and for their booster doses when invited to do so.? “We ask anyone who suspects they have experienced a side effect linked with their COVID-19 vaccine to report it?to?the?Coronavirus Yellow Card website.” Reuters also presented the videos to FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine. “Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.” Moreover, the Cardiac Risk in the Young (CRY) organisation, a British charity that funds medical research and supports families of young people affected by heart conditions, told Reuters they were “not aware” of any published or peer-reviewed researched into alleged links between sudden cardiac arrests in athletes and COVID-19 vaccines. “It’s important to understand that young sudden cardiac death (in both sportspeople and the general population) is tragically not a new phenomenon,” they said. CRY also pointed Reuters toward data published in 2008, which showed 12 ‘apparently fit and healthy’ young people (aged 35 and under) die in the United Kingdom every week from previously undiagnosed heart conditions In 2018, prior to the pandemic, CRY announced the findings of a 10-year study, which concluded sudden cardiac death in elite footballers was more common than initially thought. “Despite screening, cardiac conditions are still the leading cause of death in footballers,” Professor Sanjay Sharma, CRY’s cardiologist and a leading sports cardiologist at St George’s University of London, said at the time (here). Speaking to The Athletic in November 2021, Sharma said an apparent rise in cardiac incidents in football specifically could be due to a “statistical cluster”, as well as greater global coverage via the internet. It could also be due to football being played more regularly and at a faster pace than ever before (here). Sharma also acknowledged that data from the United States showed some men experienced heart inflammation after the second dose of a vaccine, but that the findings were “very early days”. Reuters has investigated each clip shown in the two videos relevant to this fact check. There were 64 cases in total and at least 19 were related to reasons separate to COVID-19 vaccines. Within that 19, some individuals had not received a jab, while others were down to other medical conditions such as low blood pressure, heat exhaustion, historical heart issues or COVID-19 infection-induced myocarditis. Others occurred too early in the global vaccine rollout, while one was a death from six years earlier. Some 45 cases were unverifiable for several reasons, such as some of the clips and headlines providing insufficient information to research, coroner reports not yet being completed, or clubs and sporting organisations not yet responding for comments. Nonetheless, Reuters has so far been unable to find any credible suggestions of a link between these specific cases and COVID-19 vaccines. CARDIAC ISSUES Professor Jeffrey Morris, the director of biostatistics at the University of Pennsylvania (here), told Reuters there would need to be a high burden of proof to establish a link between anecdotal reports of footballers collapsing and vaccine-induced myocarditis. He said via email: “One would, of course, need to establish the rate of cardiac arrest is higher than what is typical pre-pandemic, and then even if there is evidence of significantly excess events right now, determine whether it is being driven by COVID-19 infections (that might be undiagnosed, especially in young people) or the vaccines. “I haven’t seen any data or papers connecting the dots to support this type of assertion, so I’d classify it as a hypothesis driven by anecdotal reports that are definitely worth following up on, but seems way premature to begin spreading the notion that it is the truth that these are driven by vaccination.” Prof. Morris explained that several studies do indeed suggest a link between myocarditis and the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines – but said Israeli research found the risk of developing heart inflammation could be six times higher in those with COVID-19 itself. He added: “Reports suggest that the vast majority of vaccine (and infection) induced myocarditis are mild and quickly resolve, with one paper showing that the rate of serious or long-term effects from myocarditis much higher in ‘classic’ myocarditis unrelated to COVID-19 than from infection or vaccines.” Dr Scott Murray, clinical director of Cheshire-based heart clinic Venturi Cardiology, echoed Morris’ comments on the risk of myocarditis caused by vaccines compared with the risk posed by COVID-19. He also said that attention to these cases was possibly due to high-profile incidents shared online, pointing to the widely publicized collapse in June of Danish footballer Christian Eriksen. A claim about Eriksen was addressed by Reuters fact-checking team at the time (here). VERDICT No evidence. There is currently no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to reported incidents of athletes collapsing in public. This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. 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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats. All the high profile footballers that had heart problemsare unvaccinated. If there is an increase in heart problems in athletes then the logical thing to blame would be the covid virus which can cause damage to the heart but in fact there doesn't seem to be any increase in heart problems with athletes over the last 2 years." I think it was more to do with spectators where they stop the game. Not every week but it does seem a new thing. Maybe they just wheeled them out before? When I told the cardiology nurse that I had 2 x AstraZeneca, she said “yeah, that’s the one that we get the clots with”. | |||
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"Not in the slightest, even if it carries me off. Never trust big pharma. " Really?? Do you ever take paracetamol? Antibiotics? Go to a doctor/dentist? Have an anaesthetic if you need surgery? MMR/chicken pox/polio? Vaccine before travel ? You’d have barely made it out of your teens without big-pharma!! Do me a favour!! | |||
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"If ever there was evidence that the tide is turning it’s right here is this thread. In the beginning anyone who suggested they were uncomfortable with the vaccines was labelled a nutjob, a danger to society and they were scrutinised, abused and ridiculed to a level never seen before on any of these fora. Virtually all attempts to have a reasonable debate became a pile on. Stats became considered gospel from one group whilst nonsense from the other. For those relatively new here there were threads suggesting that non vaccinated should be barred from accessing any NHS services, should have their children taken from them and even suggesting they be charged with murder. Now I’m seeing almost a complete flip on social media sites - high profile individuals and organisations are starting to request an ‘amnesty’, claiming they were doing what they thought was for the best at the time. That’s right, they want an amnesty for their horrific words and actions… without an utterance of an apology. The fact that this thread contains posts from probably a majority of vaccine sceptical or those who have sadly suffered as a result of their jabs is proof enough to me that attitudes are changing. The noticeable absence of a number of pro vaccine posters these days is further proof in my eyes. I take no pleasure in saying I told you so but irreparable damage was done to our elderly and school children, the NHS we were protecting is further behind than ever before, life changing diagnoses are on the increase, excess deaths are going through the roof… all while we tanked our economy resulting in a cost of lockdown crisis the like of which the majority of us hasn’t experienced before. Returning to the OP. For what it’s worth, my own opinion is that the vaccines have done more good than harm…but they’ve also done more harm than we’ll ever know. " That’s a great final paragraph. I will use that in conversation if you don’t mind. | |||
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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats. All the high profile footballers that had heart problemsare unvaccinated. If there is an increase in heart problems in athletes then the logical thing to blame would be the covid virus which can cause damage to the heart but in fact there doesn't seem to be any increase in heart problems with athletes over the last 2 years. I think it was more to do with spectators where they stop the game. Not every week but it does seem a new thing. Maybe they just wheeled them out before? When I told the cardiology nurse that I had 2 x AstraZeneca, she said “yeah, that’s the one that we get the clots with”. " As a football supporter of over 40 years attending live matches. They never used to stop the game if someone in the crowd got ill. This only came in once we came back after football was suspended. The guidance now is not to stop the game unless they have to. | |||
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"Absolutely happy with my decision, especially having subsequently had it and found it to be basically the flu in terms of my symptoms " Have you spoken to the you in the parallel universe that dint have the jab to make sure it was the jab that gave you weak symptoms or was it the fact your not 70+ overweight and already in poor health that made it a mild flu? | |||
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"If ever there was evidence that the tide is turning it’s right here is this thread. In the beginning anyone who suggested they were uncomfortable with the vaccines was labelled a nutjob, a danger to society and they were scrutinised, abused and ridiculed to a level never seen before on any of these fora. Virtually all attempts to have a reasonable debate became a pile on. Stats became considered gospel from one group whilst nonsense from the other. For those relatively new here there were threads suggesting that non vaccinated should be barred from accessing any NHS services, should have their children taken from them and even suggesting they be charged with murder. Now I’m seeing almost a complete flip on social media sites - high profile individuals and organisations are starting to request an ‘amnesty’, claiming they were doing what they thought was for the best at the time. That’s right, they want an amnesty for their horrific words and actions… without an utterance of an apology. The fact that this thread contains posts from probably a majority of vaccine sceptical or those who have sadly suffered as a result of their jabs is proof enough to me that attitudes are changing. The noticeable absence of a number of pro vaccine posters these days is further proof in my eyes. I take no pleasure in saying I told you so but irreparable damage was done to our elderly and school children, the NHS we were protecting is further behind than ever before, life changing diagnoses are on the increase, excess deaths are going through the roof… all while we tanked our economy resulting in a cost of lockdown crisis the like of which the majority of us hasn’t experienced before. Returning to the OP. For what it’s worth, my own opinion is that the vaccines have done more good than harm…but they’ve also done more harm than we’ll ever know. " Yes the bullying bribing ridiculing and coercion that I experienced personally has made me fall out with some friends family and colleagues. Very interesting to see certain celebrities like Piers Morgan etc who were so pro jab now having to squirm and backpedal their way out of things they said not so long ago. At least I can say I was on the right side of history in years to come. | |||
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"If ever there was evidence that the tide is turning it’s right here is this thread. In the beginning anyone who suggested they were uncomfortable with the vaccines was labelled a nutjob, a danger to society and they were scrutinised, abused and ridiculed to a level never seen before on any of these fora. Virtually all attempts to have a reasonable debate became a pile on. Stats became considered gospel from one group whilst nonsense from the other. For those relatively new here there were threads suggesting that non vaccinated should be barred from accessing any NHS services, should have their children taken from them and even suggesting they be charged with murder. Now I’m seeing almost a complete flip on social media sites - high profile individuals and organisations are starting to request an ‘amnesty’, claiming they were doing what they thought was for the best at the time. That’s right, they want an amnesty for their horrific words and actions… without an utterance of an apology. The fact that this thread contains posts from probably a majority of vaccine sceptical or those who have sadly suffered as a result of their jabs is proof enough to me that attitudes are changing. The noticeable absence of a number of pro vaccine posters these days is further proof in my eyes. I take no pleasure in saying I told you so but irreparable damage was done to our elderly and school children, the NHS we were protecting is further behind than ever before, life changing diagnoses are on the increase, excess deaths are going through the roof… all while we tanked our economy resulting in a cost of lockdown crisis the like of which the majority of us hasn’t experienced before. Returning to the OP. For what it’s worth, my own opinion is that the vaccines have done more good than harm…but they’ve also done more harm than we’ll ever know. That’s a great final paragraph. I will use that in conversation if you don’t mind. " Go for it | |||
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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats." You made a claim, so we asked you to back it up with a credible source….. “Google it” isn’t the credible source…. | |||
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"Google how many athletes have collapsed with heart issues and you will see the stats. You made a claim, so we asked you to back it up with a credible source….. “Google it” isn’t the credible source…. " And it doesn't bring anything up that says there are more athletes having heart problems recently. Most of the papers are old from when the question has been asked pre covid. Speaking about football because that is the sport I mostly closely follow. There was a big increase in awareness and testing after Marc Vivien Foe collapsed and died in 2003 for example. | |||
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"I'm unjabbed and staying that way, just need to find some others to play with that said no to the experimental gene therapy, I thought fab was hard before this scamdemic now it's proving impossibleI haven't eaten pussy for nearly 2 years," If only you’d added “sheeple” you’d have won the Covid Buzzword Bingo competition | |||
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"Unvaccinated here and no regrets, had it once mildly. I did have a flu jab the other day as I've now hit 50 ~ you only need one of them!" There’s a flu jab offered every year for the most expected flu strains during that season. | |||
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"I'm unjabbed and staying that way, just need to find some others to play with that said no to the experimental gene therapy, I thought fab was hard before this scamdemic now it's proving impossibleI haven't eaten pussy for nearly 2 years," why do you need to find someone unvaccinated to play with....  | |||
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"Unvaccinated here and no regrets, had it once mildly. I did have a flu jab the other day as I've now hit 50 ~ you only need one of them! There’s a flu jab offered every year for the most expected flu strains during that season. " Thank you for bringing that to my attention! | |||
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"No intentions of getting any jabs, had covid twice and both times it was no worse than a sore throat. Why would I want a “vaccine” that doesn’t beat the “virus”" that's very lucky for you. There are however millions out there that the vaccine is needed... it may not beat it but it certainly helps. I feel very thankful to be able to have the vaccines for people like my daughter who has downs syndrome | |||
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"No intentions of getting any jabs, had covid twice and both times it was no worse than a sore throat. Why would I want a “vaccine” that doesn’t beat the “virus” that's very lucky for you. There are however millions out there that the vaccine is needed... it may not beat it but it certainly helps. I feel very thankful to be able to have the vaccines for people like my daughter who has downs syndrome " Does covid affect disproportionately people with downsyndrome? As far as I'm aware it doesn't with the average age of covid deaths being above the uks life expectancy 82.5years I'm not sure what if any benefits the jab would have | |||
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"No intentions of getting any jabs, had covid twice and both times it was no worse than a sore throat. Why would I want a “vaccine” that doesn’t beat the “virus” that's very lucky for you. There are however millions out there that the vaccine is needed... it may not beat it but it certainly helps. I feel very thankful to be able to have the vaccines for people like my daughter who has downs syndrome Does covid affect disproportionately people with downsyndrome? As far as I'm aware it doesn't with the average age of covid deaths being above the uks life expectancy 82.5years I'm not sure what if any benefits the jab would have " yes it does... they were 6 times more likely to die of covid than your average person. | |||
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"On the uk office for national statistics from 1st jan 22 till 31 may 22 there has been 1447 unvaccinated deaths 13666 vaccinated deaths 12442 triple/quad vaccinated deaths I think the 6% made the right call the vaccine has done absolutely nothing to stop the spread or the deaths and will be linked to the current outburst of athletes dying from heart attacks when the independent studies are allowed to be released " Absolute nonsense. If you are using any kind of real data you are conflating a lot of different statistics here. I get daily reports at citizen level data if you want to discuss and evidence this bullshit | |||
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"If ever there was evidence that the tide is turning it’s right here is this thread. In the beginning anyone who suggested they were uncomfortable with the vaccines was labelled a nutjob, a danger to society and they were scrutinised, abused and ridiculed to a level never seen before on any of these fora. Virtually all attempts to have a reasonable debate became a pile on. Stats became considered gospel from one group whilst nonsense from the other. For those relatively new here there were threads suggesting that non vaccinated should be barred from accessing any NHS services, should have their children taken from them and even suggesting they be charged with murder. Now I’m seeing almost a complete flip on social media sites - high profile individuals and organisations are starting to request an ‘amnesty’, claiming they were doing what they thought was for the best at the time. That’s right, they want an amnesty for their horrific words and actions… without an utterance of an apology. The fact that this thread contains posts from probably a majority of vaccine sceptical or those who have sadly suffered as a result of their jabs is proof enough to me that attitudes are changing. The noticeable absence of a number of pro vaccine posters these days is further proof in my eyes. I take no pleasure in saying I told you so but irreparable damage was done to our elderly and school children, the NHS we were protecting is further behind than ever before, life changing diagnoses are on the increase, excess deaths are going through the roof… all while we tanked our economy resulting in a cost of lockdown crisis the like of which the majority of us hasn’t experienced before. Returning to the OP. For what it’s worth, my own opinion is that the vaccines have done more good than harm…but they’ve also done more harm than we’ll ever know. " Rather than the tide turning against vaccines, the reason most ‘pro’ vaccine people don’t bother with these threads these days is that there is nothing to be gained by wasting time arguing with the minority of people who are clearly delusional. It’s really as simple as that. | |||
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"Absolutely happy with my decision, especially having subsequently had it and found it to be basically the flu in terms of my symptoms Have you spoken to the you in the parallel universe that dint have the jab to make sure it was the jab that gave you weak symptoms or was it the fact your not 70+ overweight and already in poor health that made it a mild flu?" I think you may have missed the point. I am unjabbed | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu…
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"No intentions of getting any jabs, had covid twice and both times it was no worse than a sore throat. Why would I want a “vaccine” that doesn’t beat the “virus”" Our newspapers really, really don't seem to be able to get to grips with the simple fact that this technology isn't that good at doing its job. I like technology but there is a much larger group of people who seem to worship the tech without thinking too hard about whether it helps them or not. | |||
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"Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination. Is this true 94% of the UK's population over 12years old have had at least one jab? I thought there was somewhere between 35%-40% of the UK's population un-jabbed? I have no sources to prove any of this but there is a big difference between 40% and 6%...?" These figures are greatly exaggerated | |||
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"Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination. Is this true 94% of the UK's population over 12years old have had at least one jab? I thought there was somewhere between 35%-40% of the UK's population un-jabbed? I have no sources to prove any of this but there is a big difference between 40% and 6%...? These figures are greatly exaggerated" Not sure if this helps or not but is from the weekly covid surveillance report here... "Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that has received one, 2 and 3 doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 30 October 2022, the overall vaccine uptake in England for dose 1 was 70.8% and for dose 2 was 67.3%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with at least 3 doses was 53.2%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest age groups. Coverage of the Autumn boost campaign was 49.2% among all people aged over 50 years." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
And yes I have had covid, which has the same survivability rate as the flu…
And that last bit isn’t true either.. and I wish people would stop repeating it,
Covid has a 10x higher fatality rate than the flu does
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"Not going to get involved in banding around statistics which few people really understand anyway (and I speak as someone with a maths degree) but am still pretty much on the fence on further jabs. Am always very suspicious of those who say they know someone who knows someone who had a real problem with being vaccinated. Anecdotal evidence is of no use in assessing this. All vaccines have some side effects for some people and, given the vast numbers of people vaccinated across the world at much the same time, even a tiny percentage of adverse effects will look like a pretty big number! My personal experience is that the vaccinations have triggered a real problem with psoriasis which has lasted a year (my dermatologist’s opinion, not my personal view) but catching the latest variant of covid in July has triggered gout which has lasted 4 months to date, and counting! So have some limited personal evidence both for and against the vaccine. Vaccines and clean water have probably proved to be the two greatest contributors to general health over the past century or so. Dismiss vaccines at your peril. Look at the many diseases that have been virtually eradicated as a consequence or is it all just a coincidence…..? A" Anecdotal evidence seems to be easily dismissed if you don't want the vaccine but it's readily accepted when people are spouting their "Glad I had the vaccine or I'd be dead" spiel. Its hypocritical as fuck | |||
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"Nearly 94% of the population over 12 have had at least one vaccination. Is this true 94% of the UK's population over 12years old have had at least one jab? I thought there was somewhere between 35%-40% of the UK's population un-jabbed? I have no sources to prove any of this but there is a big difference between 40% and 6%...? These figures are greatly exaggerated Not sure if this helps or not but is from the weekly covid surveillance report here... "Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that has received one, 2 and 3 doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 30 October 2022, the overall vaccine uptake in England for dose 1 was 70.8% and for dose 2 was 67.3%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with at least 3 doses was 53.2%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest age groups. Coverage of the Autumn boost campaign was 49.2% among all people aged over 50 years." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports" Thanks for the link. The ONS reports slightly higher figures but they are broadly the same. | |||
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"not vacinated as i knew that they would be selling our collected data. i let you search this via the register UK health privacy watchdog still in talks over who is accessing country's COVID data store Oh and now they want your patient data as well UK government set to extract hospital data to Palantir system without patient consent just another form of care date grab https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/246364 but with the onset of the covid virus many consented willingly to agree to the collection of there data. so now they can sell it " All this pre dated covid. | |||
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" All this pre dated covid." Nope it isnt only care data did but the new grab at patients data was the covid data collection with no protection on it. palnitar is now doing another patient data grab direct to the gps to add to the covid data Campaigners demand judicial review of NHS deal with Peter Thiel's AI firm Palantir and just to prove a point of selling your gp data Revealed: NHS England bosses meet with tech and pharmaceutical giants to discuss price list of millions of Brits' medical data | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... No I don’t regret getting jabbed, if you want to help finance these huge pharmaceutical companies by taking an experimental vaccine that you’ve been fed lies about, knock yourself out
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And that last bit isn’t true either.. and I wish people would stop repeating it,
Covid has a 10x higher fatality rate than the flu does
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... Nope . Neither of us have been jabbed and don't regret this decision one bit . We know plenty who have had the jab or jabs and regret having them ." Out of interest why do they regret having them? And why did they have them? | |||
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"No intentions of getting any jabs, had covid twice and both times it was no worse than a sore throat. Why would I want a “vaccine” that doesn’t beat the “virus” that's very lucky for you. There are however millions out there that the vaccine is needed... it may not beat it but it certainly helps. I feel very thankful to be able to have the vaccines for people like my daughter who has downs syndrome Does covid affect disproportionately people with downsyndrome? As far as I'm aware it doesn't with the average age of covid deaths being above the uks life expectancy 82.5years I'm not sure what if any benefits the jab would have yes it does... they were 6 times more likely to die of covid than your average person. " Show us a link to that statistic please ? I doubt you can…. | |||
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(Sigh) Facts you are lost, I can’t even be bothered to attempt to educate you…
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Use whatever details you want of mine,if that’s what gets you off - fill your boots you weirdo
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Use whatever details you want of mine,if that’s what gets you off - fill your boots you weirdo
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No worries Karen - you carry on being a sheep
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Passive aggressive much ? Coming from the odd balls that are viewing my profile, while hiding your own - settle down eh ?
We haven’t hidden our profile…….. #block "You don’t need to block me, I’m not interested in you in the slightest
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Passive aggressive much ? Coming from the odd balls that are viewing my profile, while hiding your own - settle down eh ?"People made there choice not to have the injection and some choose to have the injection that was there choice not yours If you dont like others not having the injection Shut up its there choice not yours | |||
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"It doesnt stop you catching it and doesnt stop you transmitting it so why would i take such a thing.... Possibly because of the decreased symptoms, but why let facts cloud your judgement
(Sigh) Facts you are lost, I can’t even be bothered to attempt to educate you…
PS - how would you take legal action against us if we used any of your details? Shall we educate you?
Use whatever details you want of mine,if that’s what gets you off - fill your boots you weirdo
More insults from someone who claims to be intelligent
You do know everyone can see this thread right ? The only person being insulting is you
Just because you think you are being clever about it, doesn’t make it so
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"Reverting to insulting…. Says more about you and your attitude.
Passive aggressive much ? Coming from the odd balls that are viewing my profile, while hiding your own - settle down eh ?
People made there choice not to have the injection and some choose to have the injection that was there choice not yours
If you dont like others not having the injection
Shut up its there choice not yours
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"Nope I will never regret my decision not to take it. I did not take it because of myocarditis concerns and my family history. I have been ripped apart by friends and family alike forcing me to hide my vax status. However as more information about the vaccines slowly appear I feel vindicated. I made the correct decision. I had covid twice and it was nothing to me....I have recently found out that the Pfizer vaccine was never tested for transmission so all that bully nonsense to say your granny was just that nonsense. Stay safe and remember there is a place in society for natural immunity. "Absolutely ! Couldn’t agree more… | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed....." Nope. | |||
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"With the onset of the latest Covid 2.0 are you now regretting not being jabbed..... Nope. " Short sweet answer… 100% support you.. | |||
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"I couldn't stand the holier than thou Pro vax crowd who constantly tried to make ordinary people feel guilty for not taking a vaccine that had no long term results or side effects. Equally I now can't stand the sanctimonious and all knowing anti vax crowd who are now feeling vindicated on an issue that most people really didn't have a strong convictious take on. A huge amount of people took it because it helped reduce hospitalisation and death, it was an easy procedure and it was seen as the right thing to do in regards to pressing your friends or elderly relatives. Can both camps please engage more honestly and with more nuance and without ridiculous straw-manning of every position of your opposition. " I agree, but let’s all be honest and objective when we give our opinions, and opinions should be based on facts and actual science that doesn’t scare people into a position that compels them to have an experimental vaccine. I’ll just say to those who have the capacity to do this, follow the money  | |||
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