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New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees. |
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"It's been reported that Pfizer is set to increase the price of the vaccine in the US to around $110 to $130 per dose even though it only costs them around $1.18 to produce each dose."
Good job you're in Surrey then. 
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"It's been reported that Pfizer is set to increase the price of the vaccine in the US to around $110 to $130 per dose even though it only costs them around $1.18 to produce each dose."
Follow the science they said.
Follow the money and you will find the science. |
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Yepppp. Two days after putting it on the recommended vaccination list for kids at school...they upped the price 400%
Follow the money
Message me for the link to the new Robert Kennedy Jnr film about Fauci. It's only free for another 2 days. The things I've seen. Absolutely shocking |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"Charging well over the odds for drugs is the norm in the US. Just look at the markup on asthma meds over there  "
Hence the frustration of the cheaper Canadian meds.
Americans are living under the thumb of big pharma and big business. The only difference between that and communism is the amount of chairmen telling the Gov what to do. |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?"
The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true. |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true. "
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident. |
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Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising."
99.7% of the original strain ? |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising."
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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There is a difference between immunity, cure and damage limitation/symptom reduction.
This is one has been swimming the muddied waters since day one.
(Not all people have insurance: not all insurance companies pay out. Some people just can't get insurance.)
That's how I see it. |
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over a year ago
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It appears people love telling others they have been ill and how bad they were/are.
Isn't long covid self diagnosed?
I do understand there are genuine cases of long covid. Cant help wondering how for many its an excuse not to work.
We had it or something (didn't test as there seemed no point) and both of us felt poorly for 2 days.
No long lasting effects.
All our family members who contracted it were much the same whether vaccinated or not.
I dont know anyone with long covid.
I feel very sorry for all those that do. Hope you all improve very soon. Hopefully pfizer et al will come up with a cure soon
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Yes hopefully charged and sentanced with attempted /murder.they wilfully went to work potentially knowing thry could pass it on
When your only job is to look after someone else then it is there responsibility to put the people they care for first.
If they didnt like it go get another job.
No im not a sheep, its called common sense.
I never thought wearing a mask was useful but when around other people id wear one especially older people. I had no idea what is going on in their life and how vulnerable they are. If me wearing a mask made just one person feel a little safer it was worth it.
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"Yes hopefully charged and sentanced with attempted /murder.they wilfully went to work potentially knowing thry could pass it on
When your only job is to look after someone else then it is there responsibility to put the people they care for first.
If they didnt like it go get another job.
No im not a sheep, its called common sense.
I never thought wearing a mask was useful but when around other people id wear one especially older people. I had no idea what is going on in their life and how vulnerable they are. If me wearing a mask made just one person feel a little safer it was worth it.
And you could have gone too work fully jabbed and still passed it on!
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Not sure what the argument is. We know more now. Whether decisions were Ill informed or made in bad faith they are now being held to account where necessary. That's got to be a good thing hasn't it?
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"Not sure what the argument is. We know more now. Whether decisions were Ill informed or made in bad faith they are now being held to account where necessary. That's got to be a good thing hasn't it?
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Totally agree.
Would things be done differently if it all happened again.
Of course it would, we are all very clever with hindsight but not so hot when having to make the big decisions.
I wear a mask all day at work, happy to do so and I'm fully jabbed.
Never felt pressurised, coerced or threatened in any way whatsoever.
Am I a sheep ?
If it makes you feel better to call me a sheep, fill your boots.
If you honestly believe it bothers me in any way you're delusional.
Stay safe, be happy. ?? |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising."
You're obviously luckier than me, I personally know of SEVEN people who died directly as a result of covid. They were aged between 56 and 78, and generally in less than perfect health... on the other hand, none of them was "seriously ill" and their deaths came as a shock to everyone.
I also personally know a 30 year old lass who now has a permanent kidney condition caused by covid, and a 48 year old who has liver issues and still gets out of breath from walking up two flights of stairs 18 month after catching it. Neither had ANY health problems prior to catching covid.
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You're obviously luckier than me, I personally know of SEVEN people who died directly as a result of covid. They were aged between 56 and 78, and generally in less than perfect health... on the other hand, none of them was "seriously ill" and their deaths came as a shock to everyone.
I also personally know a 30 year old lass who now has a permanent kidney condition caused by covid, and a 48 year old who has liver issues and still gets out of breath from walking up two flights of stairs 18 month after catching it. Neither had ANY health problems prior to catching covid.
Cal"
But this can't be true ??
OP doesn't know anyone that's died, I'm confused??
Surely if OP doesn't know anyone, then it's all a hoax?? |
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You're obviously luckier than me, I personally know of SEVEN people who died directly as a result of covid. They were aged between 56 and 78, and generally in less than perfect health... on the other hand, none of them was "seriously ill" and their deaths came as a shock to everyone.
I also personally know a 30 year old lass who now has a permanent kidney condition caused by covid, and a 48 year old who has liver issues and still gets out of breath from walking up two flights of stairs 18 month after catching it. Neither had ANY health problems prior to catching covid.
Cal
But this can't be true ??
OP doesn't know anyone that's died, I'm confused??
Surely if OP doesn't know anyone, then it's all a hoax??"
Based on that logic, bullets are completely safe. I don't know anyone who's ever died from a gunshot.
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I have a large family and circle of friends and have mixed with and chatted with hundreds of customers/suppliers over last 2 years and still don’t know anyone who has died from it. Sorry but that’s how it is. |
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"I have a large family and circle of friends and have mixed with and chatted with hundreds of customers/suppliers over last 2 years and still don’t know anyone who has died from it. Sorry but that’s how it is."
Can't be a thing then. If only theyd all listened to you instead. |
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No id prefer you didn't lie and you realised you know pretty much next to nothing and are easily manipulated by all block cap Facebook posts.
Thanks for asking though |
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over a year ago
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But its irrelevant.
Like it couldn't any be more irrelevant.
Its like saying you know a 101 year old who smokes 40 a day. See cigarettes aren't an issue.
We have thousands upon thousands sets of data relating to covid, how dangerous it was and could have been if countries worldwide hadn't taken the necessary steps. Your personal understanding and anecdotal information are irrelevant (as are mine)
Leave science to the scientists and stop listening to conspiracy theories you have neither the ability or desire to challenge or understand |
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"I have a large family and circle of friends and have mixed with and chatted with hundreds of customers/suppliers over last 2 years and still don’t know anyone who has died from it. Sorry but that’s how it is."
count yourself extremely lucky then.. very lucky
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Ok I know sadly people died. But the whole episode was an overreaction In my eyes.
It was sold to us by the government and media that it was a deadly disease like Ebola or something and if we got it we were doomed.
That just wasn’t the case though for most people. |
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"Ok I know sadly people died. But the whole episode was an overreaction In my eyes.
It was sold to us by the government and media that it was a deadly disease like Ebola or something and if we got it we were doomed.
That just wasn’t the case though for most people."
I lost a friend from school.. his mother and father died 2 days before him. Not to mention how many of my daughters friends passed... ( she is mid twenties , yea they all had disabilities and other factors but still) it wasn't blown out of proportion at all.... imagine how bad it would have been without the restrictions and vaccines. |
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Is it reasonable to suggest that like all things in life. Different people have different experiences of it.? And that one person's experiences don't invalidate anyone else's personal experiences? Not all people catch measles either... But some people do. |
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"Is it reasonable to suggest that like all things in life. Different people have different experiences of it.? And that one person's experiences don't invalidate anyone else's personal experiences? Not all people catch measles either... But some people do. "
But this is fab, of course ok to invalidate anyone's personal experiences. |
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"Sorry to hear about you and your daughters friends. We have had Flu seasons in the past that have had similar amounts of deaths but just not the 24/7 coverage and scaremongering though."
we actually haven't had flu seasons like that... and actually the social distancing, mask wearing , hand washing and staying home if you had symptoms actually showed how well we could manage flu in the future.
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"Would you want to go back to working for that company though?"
I got my job over someone else as I had already had my vaccines.. and was happy to say I'd have boosters as required. We did not sack anyone but even now my company will only employ those that will have their vaccines
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"It's been reported that Pfizer is set to increase the price of the vaccine in the US to around $110 to $130 per dose even though it only costs them around $1.18 to produce each dose."
My local restaurant charges £35 for a filet steak I can buy for £6 and £25 for a £8 bottle of wine
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"Would you want to go back to working for that company though? I got my job over someone else as I had already had my vaccines.. and was happy to say I'd have boosters as required. We did not sack anyone but even now my company will only employ those that will have their vaccines "
Why will they only employ vaccinated staff?
Do they only employ whites only also?? |
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"Would you want to go back to working for that company though? I got my job over someone else as I had already had my vaccines.. and was happy to say I'd have boosters as required. We did not sack anyone but even now my company will only employ those that will have their vaccines
Why will they only employ vaccinated staff?
Do they only employ whites only also??"
I fail to see the connection. |
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"It's been reported that Pfizer is set to increase the price of the vaccine in the US to around $110 to $130 per dose even though it only costs them around $1.18 to produce each dose.
My local restaurant charges £35 for a filet steak I can buy for £6 and £25 for a £8 bottle of wine
Disgrace "
The European Public Prosecutor's Office (EPPO) has confirmed that it has an “ongoing investigation” into the acquisition of COVID-19 vaccines in the EU. The “exceptional confirmation” comes after “extremely high” public interest in the issue, the EPPO’s statement said. The prosecutor didn't name any vaccine company in its brief statement.
The European Court of Auditors wants to know how the bloc clinched its biggest COVID-19 vaccine contract—and whether there was anything untoward in text messages between European Commission (EC) President Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer chief Albert Bourla. So far, however, the EU budget watchdog's probe has been met with silence |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident."
How do you develop a vaccine designed to reduce transmission?  Surely a vaccine is to train a body’s immune system to recognise and combat a pathogen, immune system successfully destroys the pathogen and it can’t be transmitted…. |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law "
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract. |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract."
The vaccination mandate for carers was dropped in March this year. So companies that refuse employment on that alone are breaking the law |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract.
The vaccination mandate for carers was dropped in March this year. So companies that refuse employment on that alone are breaking the law "
No they are not breaking the law they can write into a new contract if they want. Existing contracts are a different matter. Where I work new starters have to be covid vaccinated. Existing staff do not. |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract.
The vaccination mandate for carers was dropped in March this year. So companies that refuse employment on that alone are breaking the law
No they are not breaking the law they can write into a new contract if they want. Existing contracts are a different matter. Where I work new starters have to be covid vaccinated. Existing staff do not."
Why would any company do this when vaccinated can spread covid also?
Go back to the beginning of this thread the yanks have finally either seen common sense or are fearful of mega legal action in the future. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now."
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.  |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law "
It was specifically mandated through the law, so can't be "against the law". The law only forbids discrimination on the grounds of religion, race, age, disability, gender, sexuality, marital status, and pregnancy/maternity status.
There are loads of professions where there are mandatory vaccinations required.
It is possible that the mandated vaccines for healthcare workers might have been the wrong thing to do, but it was not illegal.
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm. "
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract.
The vaccination mandate for carers was dropped in March this year. So companies that refuse employment on that alone are breaking the law
No they are not breaking the law they can write into a new contract if they want. Existing contracts are a different matter. Where I work new starters have to be covid vaccinated. Existing staff do not.
Why would any company do this when vaccinated can spread covid also?
Go back to the beginning of this thread the yanks have finally either seen common sense or are fearful of mega legal action in the future."
The vaccine will reduce the effect of covid on an individual. If individuals in employment are required to carry out tasks that bring them into close proximity of others in a way that could promote or increase their exposure to covid, would you think it would be a good idea to insist those employees are as protected as possible? If they don't want to protect themselves, they don't need to apply for the role.
Let's take the point that is being held onto here, the vaccine was not tested for transmission suppression.
However, it did reduce the spread of the virus, it did not eliminate it. Variants that emerged post vaccines became more transmissible, which would make sense, as those particular variants became dominant due to the vaccine lowering the transmission.
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm. "
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm. "
Googled it was 5% on March 23rd 2020. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY!"
You seem to wandered off from your op which was worthy of debate, into a rant about many things that have already been done to death many times over. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY!
You seem to wandered off from your op which was worthy of debate, into a rant about many things that have already been done to death many times over. "
Just highlighting the hypocrisy of many celebrities like Piers Morgan etc.. who are now avidly back tracking |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY!
You seem to wandered off from your op which was worthy of debate, into a rant about many things that have already been done to death many times over.
Just highlighting the hypocrisy of many celebrities like Piers Morgan etc.. who are now avidly back tracking "
It could be worth considering where you put your pinch of salt, when it comes to who you listen and react to. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY!
You seem to wandered off from your op which was worthy of debate, into a rant about many things that have already been done to death many times over.
Just highlighting the hypocrisy of many celebrities like Piers Morgan etc.. who are now avidly back tracking
It could be worth considering where you put your pinch of salt, when it comes to who you listen and react to. "
Yea but these are people who a lot of the population older especially trust when they turn on their television in the morning |
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"It’s called discrimination and it’s against the law
It's not discrimation loads of jobs require jabs, most Frontline medical staff and the army for a start. Vaccination status isn't a protected characteristic unlike race or sexuality etc. Apart from protected characteristics you can pretty much what you like in an employment contract.
The vaccination mandate for carers was dropped in March this year. So companies that refuse employment on that alone are breaking the law
No they are not breaking the law they can write into a new contract if they want. Existing contracts are a different matter. Where I work new starters have to be covid vaccinated. Existing staff do not."
this is the same for us x all the old staff don't have to. I could have just not applied but had no issues |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
Those figures are not right. The average age of covid death is lower now. The figure you are quoting and often quoted by anti vaxxers is from near the end of 2020. The survival rate of covid now is higher than 99.7, again that is common number quoted by anti vaxxers. The survival rate was only around 90% at the beginning but thanks mainly to vaccines better treatment and milder variants the survival rate is much higher now.
No your talking absolute nonsense. The chances of anybody dieing from covid in may 2020 was less than 1 % as stated by chris whitty a simple google search will confirm.
Like that idiot Dr Hillary on daytime TV May 2020 masks don’t work against a virus no point wearing them folks!
A month later WEAR YOUR MASKS SAVE GRANNY!
You seem to wandered off from your op which was worthy of debate, into a rant about many things that have already been done to death many times over.
Just highlighting the hypocrisy of many celebrities like Piers Morgan etc.. who are now avidly back tracking "
Yes there is much hypocrisy. Plus don't forget people are allowed to change their minds at any point. As and when better information becomes available. |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident."
If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset."
as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all"
That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission is a lie if the jab did stop or slow down transmission covid case's would be extremely low but they are rising and have been for months..... Just admit you've been lied to and accept it |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all
That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission is a lie if the jab did stop or slow down transmission covid case's would be extremely low but they are rising and have been for months..... Just admit you've been lied to and accept it "
Can I ask you a straight question and hopefully you will give me an honest answer.
If no vaccine had been used and Covid left to transmit through the population of each country.
What in your honest opinion would be the death rate.
Thanks.
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all"
These clips say nothing about slowing. They quite clearly say if you get the vaccine the virus stops with you. This includes Boris and Fauci amongst others. |
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over a year ago
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all
That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission is a lie if the jab did stop or slow down transmission covid case's would be extremely low but they are rising and have been for months..... Just admit you've been lied to and accept it
Can I ask you a straight question and hopefully you will give me an honest answer.
If no vaccine had been used and Covid left to transmit through the population of each country.
What in your honest opinion would be the death rate.
Thanks.
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Well the first thing is the death count in every country is over inflated so going from the FOI in 21 saying covid was directly the cause of 17,500 deaths in the UK at that time then basing it from that I'd estimate around 25,000 for the UK until today but I have to point out that over 25,000 excess deaths since April |
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By *aroheroMan
over a year ago
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"What about all this people who were force to take vax? How many people took it to keep their job? Those people are victims of a big lies. I hope they will find justice.
??"
in reality no one was ever forced they were only threatened that they may possibly lose their job if they didn't take it it was a choice it was never forced only asked for.......makes me wonder what a job is worth...... |
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"The whole covid episode for 2.5 years now has been the biggest overreaction ever inflicted on the human race.
it wasn't an overreaction it was a well planned and well orchestrated operation"
Well planned and well orchestrated? While Boris was in charge I very much doubt it |
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What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all
That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission is a lie if the jab did stop or slow down transmission covid case's would be extremely low but they are rising and have been for months..... Just admit you've been lied to and accept it
Can I ask you a straight question and hopefully you will give me an honest answer.
If no vaccine had been used and Covid left to transmit through the population of each country.
What in your honest opinion would be the death rate.
Thanks.
Well the first thing is the death count in every country is over inflated so going from the FOI in 21 saying covid was directly the cause of 17,500 deaths in the UK at that time then basing it from that I'd estimate around 25,000 for the UK until today but I have to point out that over 25,000 excess deaths since April "
By that logic we can ignore cancer too, as it is not usually cancer that finishes the unfortunate people off but organ failure etc. I am not saying we can ignore cancer or covid for that matter. My own mother died due to a lung disease, pre covid, cause of death heart failure. Without the lung disease her heart would have been fine. But she didn't die directly of lung disease. |
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Oh dear god/allah ....Here we go again and that's in America and at the moment we have the NHS and instead of pushing this why don't you all get really really really angry about stuff that is actually happening and will effect you ...Like our current PM meeting and wining and dining with some of America's largest private health care providers ?? and as for i don't know anyone who's died because of covid ?? we personally don't know of anyone who's died by being hit by a bus or died in a aircrash but we are bloody well 100% sure people have ?? but Mrs4 does know a bloke who's Uncle's bus blow up all those years ago in London ?? xxxx |
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over a year ago
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"New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees."
Decision long overdue. Ample compensation should also be awarded if anyone suffered vaccine induced injury as a result |
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"It will come - because Pfizer has admitted they lied ….. who’s next
What did they lie about?The part where they said the vaccine had been tested for stopping the transmission of the virus to others. Basically the whole "get protected to protect others" was a lie. It was never tested and it wasn't true.
It was never tested to reduce transmission, because it wasn't developed to do that, only to reduce serious illness and death. That it did reduce transmission, well until delta and omicron came along,was a happy accident.If I was allowed to link, I'd show you footage of hundreds of media outlets and politicians saying the exact opposite. That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission before demonising the "selfish" who didn't want it. Saying they would and should expect to be excluded from society.
Liars from the offset. as was said above.. to begin with before the virus mutated a happy side effect was that it was slowing transmission.... it wasn't a lie at all
That the vaccine did indeed stop transmission is a lie if the jab did stop or slow down transmission covid case's would be extremely low but they are rising and have been for months..... Just admit you've been lied to and accept it
Can I ask you a straight question and hopefully you will give me an honest answer.
If no vaccine had been used and Covid left to transmit through the population of each country.
What in your honest opinion would be the death rate.
Thanks.
Well the first thing is the death count in every country is over inflated so going from the FOI in 21 saying covid was directly the cause of 17,500 deaths in the UK at that time then basing it from that I'd estimate around 25,000 for the UK until today but I have to point out that over 25,000 excess deaths since April "
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"New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees.
Decision long overdue. Ample compensation should also be awarded if anyone suffered vaccine induced injury as a result "
Compensation due to vaccine induced injury/illness already exists.
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By *mp411Man
over a year ago
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"New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees.
Decision long overdue. Ample compensation should also be awarded if anyone suffered vaccine induced injury as a result
Compensation due to vaccine induced injury/illness already exists.
Winston "
But just for the covid jab it will take 75 years to clear the backlog of injury and deceased payments |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising."
One of the nurses I work with lost her son in his 30's, my son's friend was 37 and died because of multiple organ failure because of it, I have permanent lung damage because of it....guess I was a lucky one! |
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"New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees.
Decision long overdue. Ample compensation should also be awarded if anyone suffered vaccine induced injury as a result
Compensation due to vaccine induced injury/illness already exists.
Winston
But just for the covid jab it will take 75 years to clear the backlog of injury and deceased payments"
I'd love to know the maths behind that calculation.
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising."
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real"
So sorry to hear your story.
And it's sickening + beyond ridiculous some people still push the narrative that Covid is nothing to worry about or fake. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real
So sorry to hear your story.
And it's sickening + beyond ridiculous some people still push the narrative that Covid is nothing to worry about or fake."
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real"
Having worked as a nurse on a respiratory ward for over 20 years it never ceases to amaze me how people are believing the fake Internet news and are ignoring the facts of the lives devastated by Covid.
Thankfully the vaccines helped massively and the lesser damaging strains have eased things for many x |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real
Having worked as a nurse on a respiratory ward for over 20 years it never ceases to amaze me how people are believing the fake Internet news and are ignoring the facts of the lives devastated by Covid.
Thankfully the vaccines helped massively and the lesser damaging strains have eased things for many x"
So you would know that 55,000 people a year die of the flu in the UK every year. Where did those deaths go the last few years?
Dr Peter McCullough is the world's leading cardiologist who has done more peer reviewed studies on covid than any other person on earth.
Think I trust him more than someone changing some dudes socks on a ward. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real"
Sorry if this is insanely insensitive but judging by your pictures I think you need to reassess your health goals before you look for a vaccine to save you from a flu. |
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People. If you're obese covid is the straw that broke the camels back. If you expect healthy people to get vaccinated, with the risks that come with that, so you can carry on poisoning your own body through gluttony then you're dumb as fuck.
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real
Having worked as a nurse on a respiratory ward for over 20 years it never ceases to amaze me how people are believing the fake Internet news and are ignoring the facts of the lives devastated by Covid.
Thankfully the vaccines helped massively and the lesser damaging strains have eased things for many x
So you would know that 55,000 people a year die of the flu in the UK every year. Where did those deaths go the last few years?
Dr Peter McCullough is the world's leading cardiologist who has done more peer reviewed studies on covid than any other person on earth.
Think I trust him more than someone changing some dudes socks on a ward."
That many people do not die of flu in the uk. The worst on record was just 25000. The lowest about 1500 . A typical flu season kills around 5 or 6000 people. The guy you mentioned is a total nut job. Who advocated use of the now disprove HCQ amongst other things. |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real
Having worked as a nurse on a respiratory ward for over 20 years it never ceases to amaze me how people are believing the fake Internet news and are ignoring the facts of the lives devastated by Covid.
Thankfully the vaccines helped massively and the lesser damaging strains have eased things for many x
So you would know that 55,000 people a year die of the flu in the UK every year. Where did those deaths go the last few years?
Dr Peter McCullough is the world's leading cardiologist who has done more peer reviewed studies on covid than any other person on earth.
Think I trust him more than someone changing some dudes socks on a ward.
That many people do not die of flu in the uk. The worst on record was just 25000. The lowest about 1500 . A typical flu season kills around 5 or 6000 people. The guy you mentioned is a total nut job. Who advocated use of the now disprove HCQ amongst other things."
A guy in a dress claims the wolrds leading cardiologist is a nut job. 2022 is WILD ahaha |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real
Having worked as a nurse on a respiratory ward for over 20 years it never ceases to amaze me how people are believing the fake Internet news and are ignoring the facts of the lives devastated by Covid.
Thankfully the vaccines helped massively and the lesser damaging strains have eased things for many x
So you would know that 55,000 people a year die of the flu in the UK every year. Where did those deaths go the last few years?
Dr Peter McCullough is the world's leading cardiologist who has done more peer reviewed studies on covid than any other person on earth.
Think I trust him more than someone changing some dudes socks on a ward.
That many people do not die of flu in the uk. The worst on record was just 25000. The lowest about 1500 . A typical flu season kills around 5 or 6000 people. The guy you mentioned is a total nut job. Who advocated use of the now disprove HCQ amongst other things.
A guy in a dress claims the wolrds leading cardiologist is a nut job. 2022 is WILD ahaha"
1 - Cardiologist. Precious little to do with viruses.
2 - highly discredited, especially with regard to covid.
*3 - flu cases down because most of the world was wearing masks and staying indoors.
4 - abusing people lessens the "strength" of your argument. And I use the word "strength" loosely.
Winston
*3 is hardly rocket science.
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Personally I respect all views on the tragedy that was the last 2-3 yrs any member of the public who has at least one brain sell can see the public have been lied to and dare I say the public purse been emptied yes there was a health scare and people did tragically die but (the numbers of dead from covid) has it's been admitted over a yrs ago to have been seriously inflated. When you have the then leader (no matter what your politics) partying, while the rest are isolated you really do have to ask serious questions as to the validity of the hole pandemic. |
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"Personally I respect all views on the tragedy that was the last 2-3 yrs any member of the public who has at least one brain sell can see the public have been lied to and dare I say the public purse been emptied yes there was a health scare and people did tragically die but (the numbers of dead from covid) has it's been admitted over a yrs ago to have been seriously inflated. When you have the then leader (no matter what your politics) partying, while the rest are isolated you really do have to ask serious questions as to the validity of the hole pandemic."
Which number has been inflated the death 28 days after test, covid mentioned on death cert or excess deaths? |
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"Personally I respect all views on the tragedy that was the last 2-3 yrs any member of the public who has at least one brain sell can see the public have been lied to and dare I say the public purse been emptied yes there was a health scare and people did tragically die but (the numbers of dead from covid) has it's been admitted over a yrs ago to have been seriously inflated. When you have the then leader (no matter what your politics) partying, while the rest are isolated you really do have to ask serious questions as to the validity of the hole pandemic.
Which number has been inflated the death 28 days after test, covid mentioned on death cert or excess deaths?"
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The average age of those who died 'with'covid was 82.4,average life expectancy in the UK for both sexes is 80.2 years..
92.3% of those who died 'with' covid had 1 or more very serious medical condition..
Of course nobody died of a condition they probably suffered for years,and nobody died of old age,other than 'Prince Philip' throughout covid..
It was a con job from start to finish.
Tell you what though,I'll never regret not getting the vaxx..
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"The average age of those who died 'with'covid was 82.4,average life expectancy in the UK for both sexes is 80.2 years..
92.3% of those who died 'with' covid had 1 or more very serious medical condition..
Of course nobody died of a condition they probably suffered for years,and nobody died of old age,other than 'Prince Philip' throughout covid..
It was a con job from start to finish.
Tell you what though,I'll never regret not getting the vaxx..
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Very out of date stats. The life expectancy is pre covid and the death covid death age is pre vaccination too. You do realize that around 50% of the population have 1 of those 'serious' conditions such as asthma diabetes High blood pressure or even just being old. I believe that everyone should have a choice on whether to have the vaccine but they should do it will real info not BS or cherry picked stats copied and pasted around Facebook. |
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"Personally I respect all views on the tragedy that was the last 2-3 yrs any member of the public who has at least one brain sell can see the public have been lied to and dare I say the public purse been emptied yes there was a health scare and people did tragically die but (the numbers of dead from covid) has it's been admitted over a yrs ago to have been seriously inflated. When you have the then leader (no matter what your politics) partying, while the rest are isolated you really do have to ask serious questions as to the validity of the hole pandemic.
Which number has been inflated the death 28 days after test, covid mentioned on death cert or excess deaths?
All off it
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They inflated the number of dead people. How and why would you do that? |
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Wearing a mask wasn't useful, and if you'd read the packaging correctly for the masks it clearly stated they didn't offer protection from microorganisms.. |
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I tried but couldnt. There's some quite unnecessarily cruel and unkind comments coming from some folks on here. It smacks of bullying.
Now the semantics of how people's loved ones have died a slow and tortured death. In fear, gasping for every breath aren't terribly significant and certainly don't need to be used to make whatever point you feel needs to be made. It's cruel and shame on you folks who are belittling someones life and their loved ones just to try and score a point. Have the informed discussion but please engage your brain before typing. If you are genuinely of the opinion that someone's life doesn't matter because they are old or have a disease perhaps best to avoid commenting. |
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And that was the problem right from the beginning, and highlighted by Professor Mike Yeadon in his open letter to Matt Hancock. People were not being properly informed
1. About the risk to health of the virus.
2. About the full extent of the vaccines being wholly experimental.. |
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Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is" |
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"Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is""
Nobody ever said masks provide perfect protection. But it's probably good to remind people of that fact. |
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"Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is""
That quote was from March 8th 2020, when the UK wasn't even in lockdown, despite other countries having catastrophes.
Of course, the pandemic ravaged us and other countries, including the USA, where Fauci had changed advice within a month. Scientific evidence also clarified the benefits of mask use. In a pandemic, the scientific process results in things changing very, very fast. 8th March 2020 now seems like aeons ago, another age, really. |
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"Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"
That quote was from March 8th 2020, when the UK wasn't even in lockdown, despite other countries having catastrophes.
Of course, the pandemic ravaged us and other countries, including the USA, where Fauci had changed advice within a month. Scientific evidence also clarified the benefits of mask use. In a pandemic, the scientific process results in things changing very, very fast. 8th March 2020 now seems like aeons ago, another age, really. "
Some science changes very, very fast you mean. Other science like non-Covid excess deaths, increased heart issues and the benefits of the vaccine can’t possibly change in the eyes of some here in Plato’s Cave |
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"Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"
That quote was from March 8th 2020, when the UK wasn't even in lockdown, despite other countries having catastrophes.
Of course, the pandemic ravaged us and other countries, including the USA, where Fauci had changed advice within a month. Scientific evidence also clarified the benefits of mask use. In a pandemic, the scientific process results in things changing very, very fast. 8th March 2020 now seems like aeons ago, another age, really. "
Learning? Nah that'll never catch on |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later."
Exactly. Mad how these people hold the EXACT same stance as the media at all times. Not even a singal but of devation. Funny how so many people on the left never trusted media and big business and then covid happened and it all changed. The same people that say my body my choice with abortions but not with vaccines |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real"
its awful isn't it.
I was a nhs responder all the way through and saw a lot of people lose their lives from covid...
It amazes me that this far on the same bs is being spouted. |
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"Quote from the covid poster boy Fauci "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is"
That quote was from March 8th 2020, when the UK wasn't even in lockdown, despite other countries having catastrophes.
Of course, the pandemic ravaged us and other countries, including the USA, where Fauci had changed advice within a month. Scientific evidence also clarified the benefits of mask use. In a pandemic, the scientific process results in things changing very, very fast. 8th March 2020 now seems like aeons ago, another age, really.
Some science changes very, very fast you mean. Other science like non-Covid excess deaths, increased heart issues and the benefits of the vaccine can’t possibly change in the eyes of some here in Plato’s Cave"
The scientific method has no speed, in and of itself. The application of concerted effort, between tens of thousands of scientists can of course achieve phenomenal results, with enhanced speed.
The quote someone had given, from before many countries of the world, including the UK, were overwhelmed on March 8th 2020, was of course at the point where little had been researched and undistood. Certainly compared with today, those were the dark ages. We've progressed so much since then |
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"Nope in 2.5 years still don’t know anyone who died of it. No loads who tested positive for it but then I suppose when the average age of death is 83 and there is a 99.7% survival rate not really surprising.
People like you really piss me off. Just because you do not know anyone who died from Covid doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Try telling my kids it ain’t real they lost there mum to Covid, she was 49 years old. 3 weeks later I was hospitalised with Covid pneumonia they could have lost both parents with a month. Luckily I survived. Now tell me and ever else it ain’t fucking real"
I never once said it wasn’t real in fact I tested positive for covid antibodies myself last year. Sorry for your loss but it doesn’t change the fact that I personally don’t know anyone who has died from covid. |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later."
Actually, reality would disagee with you. Masks help. |
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over a year ago
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"I tried but couldnt. There's some quite unnecessarily cruel and unkind comments coming from some folks on here. It smacks of bullying.
Now the semantics of how people's loved ones have died a slow and tortured death. In fear, gasping for every breath aren't terribly significant and certainly don't need to be used to make whatever point you feel needs to be made. It's cruel and shame on you folks who are belittling someones life and their loved ones just to try and score a point. Have the informed discussion but please engage your brain before typing. If you are genuinely of the opinion that someone's life doesn't matter because they are old or have a disease perhaps best to avoid commenting. "
I was never going to post this, until I read this post, I know he knows!...Until you realise how covid causes a death so awful, you will never understand.
Until you understand the basics, that no immune or low immune systems means covid thrives, that a person becomes a petri dish with the virus never subsiding only thriving.
I hope you never see a loved one who's lungs fill with liquid, breathing becomes harder and their internal temperature reaches over 41.1 degrees. I hope you never see their body shaking involuntary as pneumonia sets in.
I cried as I watched, I saw covid tests never getting weaker. I watched her die.
When you know, you know.
I'm sorry if this post is tough to read, I'm sorry for you if this post means nothing. I'm not sorry for telling it as it is
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"New York City’s controversial COVID-19 vaccine mandate for municipal workers was enacted illegally and employees who were fired for refusing to comply must be immediately reinstated with back pay, a state judge has ruled.
“It is time for the City of New York to do what is right and what is just,” Staten Island Supreme Court Justice Ralph Porzio wrote in a decision made public Tuesday.
More than 1,750 city workers were fired for refusing to get vaccinated, including 36 members of the NYPD and more than 950 Department of Education employees."
Sorry, have I missed something here. When did the law in New York apply to the UK? |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later."
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. |
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"I tried but couldnt. There's some quite unnecessarily cruel and unkind comments coming from some folks on here. It smacks of bullying.
Now the semantics of how people's loved ones have died a slow and tortured death. In fear, gasping for every breath aren't terribly significant and certainly don't need to be used to make whatever point you feel needs to be made. It's cruel and shame on you folks who are belittling someones life and their loved ones just to try and score a point. Have the informed discussion but please engage your brain before typing. If you are genuinely of the opinion that someone's life doesn't matter because they are old or have a disease perhaps best to avoid commenting.
I was never going to post this, until I read this post, I know he knows!...Until you realise how covid causes a death so awful, you will never understand.
Until you understand the basics, that no immune or low immune systems means covid thrives, that a person becomes a petri dish with the virus never subsiding only thriving.
I hope you never see a loved one who's lungs fill with liquid, breathing becomes harder and their internal temperature reaches over 41.1 degrees. I hope you never see their body shaking involuntary as pneumonia sets in.
I cried as I watched, I saw covid tests never getting weaker. I watched her die.
When you know, you know.
I'm sorry if this post is tough to read, I'm sorry for you if this post means nothing. I'm not sorry for telling it as it is
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To be fair, he didn't say covid wasn't killing people or that it doesn't exist. He said he doesn't know anyone who has died from it?
Why is his personal experience of covid any less valid than yours? Here's a clue, it isn't!
People need to get off their high horse with the top trumps of "my covid experience was worse, therefore I'm correct and you are wrong" |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later.
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. "
Sad thing is, people harped on throughout covid about saving lives yet openly celebrate the deaths of Russian troops. The majority of which have no desire to be in Ukraine in the first place. |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later.
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. Sad thing is, people harped on throughout covid about saving lives yet openly celebrate the deaths of Russian troops. The majority of which have no desire to be in Ukraine in the first place."
Unfortunately for Ukraine to defeat Putin many Russian lives have to be snuffed out. I have little sympathy for most of them, they could refuse to participate in this madness on mass, Putin couldn’t jail them all! |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later.
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. Sad thing is, people harped on throughout covid about saving lives yet openly celebrate the deaths of Russian troops. The majority of which have no desire to be in Ukraine in the first place.
Unfortunately for Ukraine to defeat Putin many Russian lives have to be snuffed out. I have little sympathy for most of them, they could refuse to participate in this madness on mass, Putin couldn’t jail them all!"
Easy to be a critic when you aren't in that situation in all fairness. Also, jail would be your best outcome.
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later.
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. Sad thing is, people harped on throughout covid about saving lives yet openly celebrate the deaths of Russian troops. The majority of which have no desire to be in Ukraine in the first place."
I've not seen or heard anyone celebrating the death of soldiers. Its a tragedy. And not linked with covid in any way at all |
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"Masks are just virtue signalling same as all the people on here who put a “I’m fully vaccinated “ status on their Social media profile too be replaced by the Ukrainian flag a few weeks later.
So an individual chooses to wear a mask... Chooses to have a vaccine and demonstrate support for a country being invaded and slaughtered by Russia... And you think that's a bad thing? Righto. Sad thing is, people harped on throughout covid about saving lives yet openly celebrate the deaths of Russian troops. The majority of which have no desire to be in Ukraine in the first place.I've not seen or heard anyone celebrating the death of soldiers. Its a tragedy. And not linked with covid in any way at all"
Its all over social media. Videos being shared of dead Russians, destroyed tanks etc.
It's linked in my head personally cause I've saw same people being all gestapo like about masks and covid, commenting on some of these pics and videos being gleeful about Ukraine "winning" like its their favourite sports team. |
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"I tried but couldnt. There's some quite unnecessarily cruel and unkind comments coming from some folks on here. It smacks of bullying.
Now the semantics of how people's loved ones have died a slow and tortured death. In fear, gasping for every breath aren't terribly significant and certainly don't need to be used to make whatever point you feel needs to be made. It's cruel and shame on you folks who are belittling someones life and their loved ones just to try and score a point. Have the informed discussion but please engage your brain before typing. If you are genuinely of the opinion that someone's life doesn't matter because they are old or have a disease perhaps best to avoid commenting.
I was never going to post this, until I read this post, I know he knows!...Until you realise how covid causes a death so awful, you will never understand.
Until you understand the basics, that no immune or low immune systems means covid thrives, that a person becomes a petri dish with the virus never subsiding only thriving.
I hope you never see a loved one who's lungs fill with liquid, breathing becomes harder and their internal temperature reaches over 41.1 degrees. I hope you never see their body shaking involuntary as pneumonia sets in.
I cried as I watched, I saw covid tests never getting weaker. I watched her die.
When you know, you know.
I'm sorry if this post is tough to read, I'm sorry for you if this post means nothing. I'm not sorry for telling it as it is
To be fair, he didn't say covid wasn't killing people or that it doesn't exist. He said he doesn't know anyone who has died from it?
Why is his personal experience of covid any less valid than yours? Here's a clue, it isn't!
People need to get off their high horse with the top trumps of "my covid experience was worse, therefore I'm correct and you are wrong""
100% agree. People have their own experiences. My issue is with the vile careless language being used by some people to devalue peoples deaths. It's entirely unnecessary. |
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"I tried but couldnt. There's some quite unnecessarily cruel and unkind comments coming from some folks on here. It smacks of bullying.
Now the semantics of how people's loved ones have died a slow and tortured death. In fear, gasping for every breath aren't terribly significant and certainly don't need to be used to make whatever point you feel needs to be made. It's cruel and shame on you folks who are belittling someones life and their loved ones just to try and score a point. Have the informed discussion but please engage your brain before typing. If you are genuinely of the opinion that someone's life doesn't matter because they are old or have a disease perhaps best to avoid commenting.
I was never going to post this, until I read this post, I know he knows!...Until you realise how covid causes a death so awful, you will never understand.
Until you understand the basics, that no immune or low immune systems means covid thrives, that a person becomes a petri dish with the virus never subsiding only thriving.
I hope you never see a loved one who's lungs fill with liquid, breathing becomes harder and their internal temperature reaches over 41.1 degrees. I hope you never see their body shaking involuntary as pneumonia sets in.
I cried as I watched, I saw covid tests never getting weaker. I watched her die.
When you know, you know.
I'm sorry if this post is tough to read, I'm sorry for you if this post means nothing. I'm not sorry for telling it as it is
To be fair, he didn't say covid wasn't killing people or that it doesn't exist. He said he doesn't know anyone who has died from it?
Why is his personal experience of covid any less valid than yours? Here's a clue, it isn't!
People need to get off their high horse with the top trumps of "my covid experience was worse, therefore I'm correct and you are wrong"100% agree. People have their own experiences. My issue is with the vile careless language being used by some people to devalue peoples deaths. It's entirely unnecessary. "
What I also find strange.
The verifications of some folks who write vile, nasty comments can show them in such a different light.
One guy who posts comes across as an uncaring, self centred, nasty prick but his verifications show a decent, funny, inclusive, actually shows up, type of man.
Which is he or can you be a bit of both ?
Would you change your mind regarding a meet from a few random forum posts when verifications show them to attend and be part of a good night?
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