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I think there are too many unknowns before then, including development of any variants and how this winter - the greatest levels of infection may occur then - pans out. I'd not predict anything with any likely probability |
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It's possible as a federal appeals court ruled that the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for U.S. government contractors is unlawful. There have been a number of similar cases which were successful and a number more to go ahead. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? "
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"At this point it doesn't make any sense in any place in this planet make convid19 vaccines mandatory  "
why? Most people have had them and it still dont stop it, i had two and a booster and managed to still pick it up in april while i was in hospital for a month with something else, after being jabbed three times and catching a dose of it aswell if im not coverd now i never will be |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place."
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it |
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The americans are very keen on keeping anyone they decide are undesirable out of their country. It gives their immigration control officers another random thing that they can ask for from anyone they don't like the look of, another way that they can refuse entry. So I expect that even if the rule is scrapped, usa immigration will be randomly asking for vax certificates for the foreseeable future. (And any argument with USA immigration never ends well for the foreigner, regardless of how valid or invalid their requirements are...) |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it "
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"Theres a variety of vaccine rules for countries all over the world that are unlikely to ever be removed and this could become one of them. Only time will tell."
This. I think that it will stay for a long time, the best thing is to have a staycation, until they have removed the restrictions  |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either "
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents."
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"Theres a variety of vaccine rules for countries all over the world that are unlikely to ever be removed and this could become one of them. Only time will tell.This. I think that it will stay for a long time, the best thing is to have a staycation, until they have removed the restrictions "
So what sort of staycation would you go on in December? |
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"Theres a variety of vaccine rules for countries all over the world that are unlikely to ever be removed and this could become one of them. Only time will tell.This. I think that it will stay for a long time, the best thing is to have a staycation, until they have removed the restrictions So what sort of staycation would you go on in December?"
Peak District. B&B with a roaring fire. Hiking. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Theres a variety of vaccine rules for countries all over the world that are unlikely to ever be removed and this could become one of them. Only time will tell.This. I think that it will stay for a long time, the best thing is to have a staycation, until they have removed the restrictions So what sort of staycation would you go on in December?
Peak District. B&B with a roaring fire. Hiking."
Yes that place, there are many places to visit like, from london, the kew gardens till scotland the loch ness, the urquhart castle |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? "
Surely if you want to enter the US the easiest option is just to get vaccinated |
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Most obese nation on earth and they don’t want people coming who might be at risk of a worse outcome if they got covid. Makes sense!!!
We had a late honeymoon planned for the USA next year but can well imagine they might still be acting stupid for a while yet …. So going elsewhere. No big deal, most countries are being sensible now. |
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"Theres a variety of vaccine rules for countries all over the world that are unlikely to ever be removed and this could become one of them. Only time will tell.This. I think that it will stay for a long time, the best thing is to have a staycation, until they have removed the restrictions So what sort of staycation would you go on in December?
Peak District. B&B with a roaring fire. Hiking."
Long weekend at home. Treat myself to a bar of decent chocolate. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents."
Of course, a post minus any evidence. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence. "
What evidence do you want? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? "
cross the border through Mexico and you don’t need anything- just as anyone of the thousand refugees that cross over on a daily basis .
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"Just cross the border from mexico they dont seem to be asking for proof of vax if u go into the states there 
Proof of vaccinations are still required for non-US citizens crossing by land. "
Through border control maybe
But thats not what people mean, and you know it |
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"Just cross the border from mexico they dont seem to be asking for proof of vax if u go into the states there
Proof of vaccinations are still required for non-US citizens crossing by land.
Through border control maybe
But thats not what people mean, and you know it"
It's worth being fully informed, especially if people are desperate to meet distant relatives etc. The US officials have maintained their demands that people entering by land are required to be able to demonstrate vaccination status. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?"
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? cross the border through Mexico and you don’t need anything- just as anyone of the thousand refugees that cross over on a daily basis . "
They might get a free trip to a major US city too. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? cross the border through Mexico and you don’t need anything- just as anyone of the thousand refugees that cross over on a daily basis .
They might get a free trip to a major US city too. "
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston "
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?"
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
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Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?"
They can't the vaccine is designed to reduce severe symptoms not transmission.Hence why the different boosters to different variants.By getting vaccinated is your choice. By not getting vaccinated it's still your choice. Either one will still spread it. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?"
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston "
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?"
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?"
I think they are inherently selfish. To not have a vaccine during a global pandemic is arguably selfish. But ti then feel that yiu are persecuted based on the implications of that choice definitely is.
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"At this point it doesn't make any sense in any place in this planet make convid19 vaccines mandatory why? Most people have had them and it still dont stop it, i had two and a booster and managed to still pick it up in april while i was in hospital for a month with something else, after being jabbed three times and catching a dose of it aswell if im not coverd now i never will be"
The vaccines are there to help protect. They are not to stop ya getting it
A seat belt helps protect you in a car accident
A condom helps protect against stis and pregnancy. Both are not 100% but they help |
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over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?"
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children. |
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over a year ago
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"At this point it doesn't make any sense in any place in this planet make convid19 vaccines mandatory why? Most people have had them and it still dont stop it, i had two and a booster and managed to still pick it up in april while i was in hospital for a month with something else, after being jabbed three times and catching a dose of it aswell if im not coverd now i never will be
The vaccines are there to help protect. They are not to stop ya getting it
A seat belt helps protect you in a car accident
A condom helps protect against stis and pregnancy. Both are not 100% but they help"
I see your point but not everyone was at risk from COVID-19. They didn't need a vaccine.
Asking a pedestrian to wear a seatbelt isn't going to provide someone in a car with any more protection.
Asking a guy in a club who is watching a gangbang to slip a condom on is not going to provide the two guys giving the woman a DP with any more protection. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children."
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"At this point it doesn't make any sense in any place in this planet make convid19 vaccines mandatory why? Most people have had them and it still dont stop it, i had two and a booster and managed to still pick it up in april while i was in hospital for a month with something else, after being jabbed three times and catching a dose of it aswell if im not coverd now i never will be
The vaccines are there to help protect. They are not to stop ya getting it
A seat belt helps protect you in a car accident
A condom helps protect against stis and pregnancy. Both are not 100% but they help
I see your point but not everyone was at risk from COVID-19. They didn't need a vaccine.
Asking a pedestrian to wear a seatbelt isn't going to provide someone in a car with any more protection.
Asking a guy in a club who is watching a gangbang to slip a condom on is not going to provide the two guys giving the woman a DP with any more protection."
Not everyone was at risk of covid?
Just because some were more at risk doesn't mean others were at no risk? |
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over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?"
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children."
Who said that there are no side effects from Covid vaccines? |
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over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Who said that there are no side effects from Covid vaccines?"
I have no idea. Are you referring to another thread by any chance? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?"
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Who said that there are no side effects from Covid vaccines?
I have no idea. Are you referring to another thread by any chance?"
Yes, my mistake. But as you dragged my views on Covid misinformation into a thread on Truss and worker's rights, I'm sure my mistake can be forgiven. (I think it was still you that claimed that and prompted my question)
However, Winston asked you first. Per normal etiquette, you should answer his question before asking your own. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid"
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Who said that there are no side effects from Covid vaccines?
I have no idea. Are you referring to another thread by any chance?
Yes, my mistake. But as you dragged my views on Covid misinformation into a thread on Truss and worker's rights, I'm sure my mistake can be forgiven. (I think it was still you that claimed that and prompted my question)
However, Winston asked you first. Per normal etiquette, you should answer his question before asking your own."
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?"
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
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over a year ago
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
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Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
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"At this point it doesn't make any sense in any place in this planet make convid19 vaccines mandatory why? Most people have had them and it still dont stop it, i had two and a booster and managed to still pick it up in april while i was in hospital for a month with something else, after being jabbed three times and catching a dose of it aswell if im not coverd now i never will be
The vaccines are there to help protect. They are not to stop ya getting it
A seat belt helps protect you in a car accident
A condom helps protect against stis and pregnancy. Both are not 100% but they help
I see your point but not everyone was at risk from COVID-19. They didn't need a vaccine.
Asking a pedestrian to wear a seatbelt isn't going to provide someone in a car with any more protection.
Asking a guy in a club who is watching a gangbang to slip a condom on is not going to provide the two guys giving the woman a DP with any more protection."
I see your point but covid isn't selective.
As with alot of viruses
People are selective as to wearing a seat belt or a condom.
There is no selection process as who does or doesn't contract covud
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
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You are repeatedly implying it |
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over a year ago
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"Baring in mind that the vaccine manufacturers have stated they do not stop transmission I’m surprised people are still arguing about this."
Dear oh dear…… 2020 all over again |
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"Baring in mind that the vaccine manufacturers have stated they do not stop transmission I’m surprised people are still arguing about this.
Dear oh dear…… 2020 all over again "
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it"
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading."
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ? "
If you want things to run easier, you get vaccinated. God only knows what the US will be doing next year.
I'm vaccinated because I need to travel to see my parents and my sister in two different countries and being vaccinated means less stress and hoops to jump through for me.
I took the risk because my parents really shouldn't be travelling too much in their 70s and my sister is very busy working long hours in her career.
I have friends who never travel and they are not vaccinated and they believe that's what's best for them. You have to make your own choice based on your own lifestyle and obligations.
You still have a year to change your travel plans to go somewhere that still accepts unvaccinated people but expect to pay out a lot for testing and quarantine stays. |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
"
Any study that produces a result that something can happen leaves quite a bit to be desired. I understand why they publish these findings but then again I doubt they would go on the internet and claim them to be the evidence to prove a theory beyond question.
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
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Do you feel that threatened by unvaccinated people?
Surely you must trust the vaccines work?
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
Any study that produces a result that something can happen leaves quite a bit to be desired. I understand why they publish these findings but then again I doubt they would go on the internet and claim them to be the evidence to prove a theory beyond question.
That just seems to be the prerogative of members of various Internet forums."
Indeed.
COVID vaccinated person: "The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective."
Unvaccinated person: "Can I stand next to you?"
COVID vaccinated person: "No, I might catch COVID-19."
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
Any study that produces a result that something can happen leaves quite a bit to be desired. I understand why they publish these findings but then again I doubt they would go on the internet and claim them to be the evidence to prove a theory beyond question.
That just seems to be the prerogative of members of various Internet forums.
Indeed.
COVID vaccinated person: "The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective."
Unvaccinated person: "Can I stand next to you?"
COVID vaccinated person: "No, I might catch COVID-19."
"
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
Any study that produces a result that something can happen leaves quite a bit to be desired. I understand why they publish these findings but then again I doubt they would go on the internet and claim them to be the evidence to prove a theory beyond question.
That just seems to be the prerogative of members of various Internet forums.
Indeed.
COVID vaccinated person: "The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective."
Unvaccinated person: "Can I stand next to you?"
COVID vaccinated person: "No, I might catch COVID-19."
The vaccines effective in reducing death and serious illness,not eliminating it just like every other vaccine. You are being willfully obtuse or are a bit thick can't decide which."
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Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated people? |
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"Does anyone reckon by next summer, the US will of scrapped needing a vaccine to enter their country ?
I think most of the countries that have covid vaccination rules will keep them in place for a good while probably years. I suppose the argument for keeping then in place is keeping the pressure off health services from unvaccinated people getting more likely to get very ill from covid but if you have sufficient health insurance I don't think you should be bared from entry. I think the main reason for keeping them in is the fact that pretty much all (90%+) of the adult population of the western world have had at least one jab, so easier just to leave the rules in place.
If that many people have had it what you're saying is it's less about herd immunity now gained through the vaccines, and more to do with punishing those without the vaccines
Without having the balls to actually say it
People who have made a decision to not have a vaccine during a global pandemic are Nottage victims if some countries won't let them in.
I'd probably not be allowed in America if I ever wanted to go. Most other countries I'm fine. But my misspent years come with a price, I'll be honest I've never viewed myself as a victim bring punished, but then unlike anti-vaxxers and covid deniers I've never had a desire to be perceived as a persecuted minority either
The COVID-19 travel restrictions were/are nothing more than a tool to deliberately inflict misery on a targeted part of the population.
It wasn't only the unvaccinated (who posed no more risk than the vaccinated) who were targeted, but also their friends and relatives who live abroad and are unable to have visits from them.
Children separated from their parents, grandchildren separated from their grandparents.
Of course, a post minus any evidence.
What evidence do you want?
I'd hazard a guess and say evidence of what you posted. That seems plausible given the comments sequence.
Winston
There is plenty of evidence of the unvaccinated being stigmatised.
Do you believe you were threatened by the unvaccinated with regards to COVID-19?
As suspected.... no evidence of anything you stated and un-related misdirection counter questions asked.
I'd love it if one day someone could substantiate some of their claims.
Just once.....
Winston
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
Or are you afraid that answering this question will prove my point?
Interestingly, your reply couldn't prove my point any better if you'd tried.
Winston
You demand answers to your questions, yet shy away from answering mine.
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated individuals?
He asked first, per usual etiquette.
I believe I asked who denied the existence of vaccine side effects earlier in the thread, too.
Answer some questions - and deflecting or trying to shift questions isn't answering. Or do you have a good reason not to? Are you shy?
Here comes the reinforcements!
The evidence is simple.
Unvaccinated individuals were targeted, despite the fact a vaccinated individual can transmit the virus.
Consequently, parents who were unvaccinated were unable to travel to see their children.
Or they could get vaccinated and travel freely?
What threat did they pose? Were they a greater threat in transmitting the virus than someone who was vaccinated?
If they were a greater threat, why have the restrictions in the UK now been dropped?
You do know that all countries impose varying requirements to enter, we all have the choice to enter or not...
They were at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it.
And maybe America don't want their health system exposed to treating unvaccinated people with covid
They 'were' at higher risk of getting it so therefore more likely to transmit it?
That is past tense. So what about now?
What has changed for the UK government to drop the restrictions?
Do yiu honesty believe that if vaccinations were abandoned globally Covid wouldn't spread?
Have I said that? Or are you asking my opinion?
You are repeatedly implying it
What I have repeatedly said is unvaccinated people are no more of a risk that vaccinated people.
There is nothing in there about globally stopping COVID-19 spreading.
You make some bold claims. Research has shown that those who are vaccinated can be infectious for shortter periods than those who have not been vaccinated. They also shed fewer virus particles. In short, I know who I'd prefer to be in close proximity with, if they were infected.
Any study that produces a result that something can happen leaves quite a bit to be desired. I understand why they publish these findings but then again I doubt they would go on the internet and claim them to be the evidence to prove a theory beyond question.
That just seems to be the prerogative of members of various Internet forums.
Indeed.
COVID vaccinated person: "The COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective."
Unvaccinated person: "Can I stand next to you?"
COVID vaccinated person: "No, I might catch COVID-19."
The vaccines effective in reducing death and serious illness,not eliminating it just like every other vaccine. You are being willfully obtuse or are a bit thick can't decide which.
Are COVID-19 vaccines safe?
Do you feel threatened by unvaccinated people?"
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