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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" We aren’t conspiracy theorists by any stretch, I’ve said right from the start that there’s something they aren’t telling us, or more to it. You don’t vaccinate an entire population because less than 0.05% will have a bad outcome. Maybe, just maybe the vaccine was to protect everyone from what they knew the Russians are planning to unleash on the world. In which case me and she who must be obeyed are proper fucked! | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" Remember when it first struck 2 years ago? Can you recall it was a brutal strain that was killing shit loads of people? Now we've got the equivalent of a flu as it's a different variant that's not eaten it's greens and got big and strong. | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ?? We aren’t conspiracy theorists by any stretch, I’ve said right from the start that there’s something they aren’t telling us, or more to it. You don’t vaccinate an entire population because less than 0.05% will have a bad outcome. Maybe, just maybe the vaccine was to protect everyone from what they knew the Russians are planning to unleash on the world. In which case me and she who must be obeyed are proper fucked! " You are saying that you aren't conspiracy theorists, but then go on to express that you think that it's all a conspiracy "there’s something they aren’t telling us, or more to it. You don’t vaccinate an entire population because less than 0.05% will have a bad outcome." Cal  | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ?? We aren’t conspiracy theorists by any stretch Maybe, just maybe the vaccine was to protect everyone from what they knew the Russians are planning to unleash on the world. " Those two sentances contradict each other | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ?? We aren’t conspiracy theorists by any stretch, I’ve said right from the start that there’s something they aren’t telling us, or more to it. You don’t vaccinate an entire population because less than 0.05% will have a bad outcome. Maybe, just maybe the vaccine was to protect everyone from what they knew the Russians are planning to unleash on the world. In which case me and she who must be obeyed are proper fucked! " Irony. Winston | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ?? We aren’t conspiracy theorists by any stretch, I’ve said right from the start that there’s something they aren’t telling us, or more to it. You don’t vaccinate an entire population because less than 0.05% will have a bad outcome. Maybe, just maybe the vaccine was to protect everyone from what they knew the Russians are planning to unleash on the world. In which case me and she who must be obeyed are proper fucked! " You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back  | |||
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"It wasn't "just flu" and still isn't flu" But should be treated like flu according to the Experts? | |||
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"The time hat brigade didn't have the benefit of having the vast majority of the population vaccinated or of a weaker variant. Hope this helps you understand how the world can change in two years "  | |||
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"It wasn't "just flu" and still isn't flu But should be treated like flu according to the Experts?" I was answering the OP who said he and other people were proved right because right from the start they said Covid is flu. It isn't flu and never was. | |||
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"The time hat brigade didn't have the benefit of having the vast majority of the population vaccinated or of a weaker variant. Hope this helps you understand how the world can change in two years " This ^^ | |||
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"because it always was its been one massive Hoax try to Google the season flu stats for past two years you won't find them thy been combined with Covid stats" The thousands of dead people will be relieved it was just a hoax. | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" The Covid virus is not the flu. Never has been. The message was simply that we learn to deal and live with Covid in the same way we do with the flu. The message wasn't "covid is the flu". Winston | |||
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"because it always was its been one massive Hoax try to Google the season flu stats for past two years you won't find them thy been combined with Covid stats" You lost friends, children and grandchildren to the flu? How about to covid? If not, you've been really fucking lucky. I know people who've lost friends and family of all ages, youngest 21. | |||
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"It wasn't "just flu" and still isn't flu But should be treated like flu according to the Experts?" That would mean, like the flu, if you've got it you stay at home until better and don't infect others and you should get an annual vaccine to help prevent the worst symptoms. It's really not that difficult a concept.... | |||
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"because it always was its been one massive Hoax try to Google the season flu stats for past two years you won't find them thy been combined with Covid stats" If covid is a hoax (it isnt) its the world's best ever hoax. How the governments and opposition party's from over 160 countries came together to perpetrate this hoax is beyond me. To what aim? I'm sure the family and friends of the 5,960,972 dead are reassured that this is just a hoax. Hoax theory. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Winston | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back "Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you. Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05% In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them. I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not. I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected. | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% " You don't work out death rate using the total population. | |||
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"More worryingly is the rise of problems since being jabbed, just look on the government yellow card scheme on the website, very scary shit . Looking back at the start everyone was scared to death of catching covid, I know I was and same goes for my family . But to be told it’s just like the flu now, wow you couldn’t make it up, fucked the whole country up for flu . Businesses suffering some going bust , school kids having school ruined exams etc , and now the cost of living has rocketed , fuel prices hearing etc . Something stinks " You need a better understanding of the purpose and data that comes out of the yellow card scheme. Winston | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected. "Your humble opinion v the opinion of experts in their field. Easy choice. 
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. " What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected.
Your humble opinion v the opinion of experts in their field.
Easy choice.
Winston"Winston, as you are very active in this forum and seven to have a lot to say, why is it that the figures given to people have historically been the hundreds of deaths each day and not the corresponding percentages? All of the calculations I’ve been doing are 100% obtained from the ONS. (Excluding those pertaining to world figures) which incidentally achieve very much similar results. You’re clearly pro Covid and defensive of the way it’s been dealt with which as I said is fine, I completely respect that, but, only as long as that respect is reciprocated. | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected. "No disrespect, and I'm sure you think you're right but you're not. You can only work out the fatality rate using the people that actually caught it, and naturally this will be reducing as time passes due to the vaccine so the answer now is a lot lower it was in the first year before we had the vaccine and before the majority of infections were due to omicron. The data is still there if you wish to confirm it as being 3% In fact it's currently running at round 1.3% worldwide using today's worldometer figures Hope this helps | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard" It isn't a maths question my over confident friend. It's a question of what is a useful measure. Deaths per total population isn't very useful, because you lose insight on deadly a disease is. | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard" 100% of the eggs in the shed | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" Right now, Boris has other things to worry about. Such as how come names with a distinct Russian flavour, such as, "Boris" are suddenly being dropped? Maybe it's all just a bit of de perfeffel? | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected.
Your humble opinion v the opinion of experts in their field.
Easy choice.
Winston
Winston, as you are very active in this forum and seven to have a lot to say, why is it that the figures given to people have historically been the hundreds of deaths each day and not the corresponding percentages?
All of the calculations I’ve been doing are 100% obtained from the ONS.
(Excluding those pertaining to world figures) which incidentally achieve very much similar results.
You’re clearly pro Covid and defensive of the way it’s been dealt with which as I said is fine, I completely respect that, but, only as long as that respect is reciprocated.
"I'm not sure how you've extrapolated that I'm defensive of the way covid has been handled. I do understand how some people can see numbers, percentages, statistics and not be able to interpret them correctly though. Confirmation bias exists. Winston | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" They tried that line in 2020. That went well diddnt it? | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" They tried that line in 2020. That went well diddnt it? | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected.
No disrespect, and I'm sure you think you're right but you're not.
You can only work out the fatality rate using the people that actually caught it, and naturally this will be reducing as time passes due to the vaccine so the answer now is a lot lower it was in the first year before we had the vaccine and before the majority of infections were due to omicron.
The data is still there if you wish to confirm it as being 3%
In fact it's currently running at round 1.3% worldwide using today's worldometer figures
Hope this helps
"I disagree. Like I said in a different thread Take a step back to when Covid first hit. There was no testing and no-one knew 100% why or how many people died. We have a close relative who works in a care home and they had 11 residents on end of life care. Every single one of their deaths were put down to Covid, even though they were dying of something else and even though they were never tested for Covid. 11 people in 1 care home. How many more deaths in the UK care homes were registered in the same way. And let's not forget about the deaths from flu that same year which were registered as Covid and not flu. | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected.
No disrespect, and I'm sure you think you're right but you're not.
You can only work out the fatality rate using the people that actually caught it, and naturally this will be reducing as time passes due to the vaccine so the answer now is a lot lower it was in the first year before we had the vaccine and before the majority of infections were due to omicron.
The data is still there if you wish to confirm it as being 3%
In fact it's currently running at round 1.3% worldwide using today's worldometer figures
Hope this helps
I disagree. Like I said in a different thread
Take a step back to when Covid first hit. There was no testing and no-one knew 100% why or how many people died. We have a close relative who works in a care home and they had 11 residents on end of life care. Every single one of their deaths were put down to Covid, even though they were dying of something else and even though they were never tested for Covid. 11 people in 1 care home. How many more deaths in the UK care homes were registered in the same way. And let's not forget about the deaths from flu that same year which were registered as Covid and not flu."Covid stats are reported in different way. The headline stat is death within 28 days. So none of the deaths you mention would have been included. As you said virtually no testing was done at the beginning and we sending people who were ill from covid straight into care homes who had very little ppe and no vaccination protection. The actual death rate from covid at that time will have been much higher than reported. The 3 main ways covid deaths are tracked are death within 28 days of a test, deaths mentioned on a death certificate and excess deaths. Until fairly they all tracked each other pretty well. The excess deaths are shrinking, because the normal level of death is worked out over the last 5 years and the figures are now skewed by the massive amount of deaths over the last 2 years. The 28 days was brought in because yes some people will die of none covid related things in that time but that is balanced with people who take longer than 28 days to die of covid, which is often the case with younger people. | |||
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" You're right you don't vaccinate most of the population because 0.05% of the population will have a bad outcome They did because 3%+ and increasing were dying, maybe you can't remember that far back
Where did you get 3%+ from? I’d check that if I were you.
Worldwide just short of 6 Million have died
World population stands at 7.9 Billion
Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075%
It’s a very simple calculation. If you do the same math with the current UK death rate and the current population you will find it is as I said 0.05%
In my humble opinion not enough people have done these sums themselves, they have simply believed what the BBC and Boris have told them.
I have been doing them regularly since it started 2 years ago hence my stance on whether I need to have the jab(s) or not.
I say this without prejudice to anyone who believes the jabs have saved us, everyone has their own mind and deserves that to be respected.
No disrespect, and I'm sure you think you're right but you're not.
You can only work out the fatality rate using the people that actually caught it, and naturally this will be reducing as time passes due to the vaccine so the answer now is a lot lower it was in the first year before we had the vaccine and before the majority of infections were due to omicron.
The data is still there if you wish to confirm it as being 3%
In fact it's currently running at round 1.3% worldwide using today's worldometer figures
Hope this helps
I disagree. Like I said in a different thread
Take a step back to when Covid first hit. There was no testing and no-one knew 100% why or how many people died. We have a close relative who works in a care home and they had 11 residents on end of life care. Every single one of their deaths were put down to Covid, even though they were dying of something else and even though they were never tested for Covid. 11 people in 1 care home. How many more deaths in the UK care homes were registered in the same way. And let's not forget about the deaths from flu that same year which were registered as Covid and not flu."Oh that old chestnut | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard It isn't a maths question my over confident friend. It's a question of what is a useful measure. Deaths per total population isn't very useful, because you lose insight on deadly a disease is. " I do see your point but …. That is a different equation with a different purpose and ultimately a different set of results. I’m talking about the ultimate risk of morbidity. Whilst you may be right that 3% is the figure amongst all that have tested positive within 28days I myself am only interested is my overall risk factor which stands at 0.05%. N.B. From what you have indicated I would be very sceptical where the quoted figure of 3% is concerned for 1 reason: If we are talking about deaths among all people that tested positive within 28 days that figure will be far far higher than 3% once you take out the element that did NOT die from covid but were, I don’t know, let’s say suffering with terminal cancer, or on another form of end of life care, or maybe just old. COVID may have been a factor but the vast majority have died because of their underlying medical complications. Further N.B. Also, I hope we can agree that in excess of 95% of the population is estimated to have now had covid in some form or another, which matches with the upper quartile the ONS use for all estimations. Which in turn would mean that the disparity in both of our arguments is closer than you would suggest, although you seem to think we are poles apart. Total population 0.05% 95% population 3%+ Your argument is also assuming that 100% that are infected have tested and reported the result, we all know that is not the case by a long stretch. P.S. I hope I am still your over confident “friend” | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard It isn't a maths question my over confident friend. It's a question of what is a useful measure. Deaths per total population isn't very useful, because you lose insight on deadly a disease is. I do see your point but …. That is a different equation with a different purpose and ultimately a different set of results. I’m talking about the ultimate risk of morbidity. Whilst you may be right that 3% is the figure amongst all that have tested positive within 28days I myself am only interested is my overall risk factor which stands at 0.05%. N.B. From what you have indicated I would be very sceptical where the quoted figure of 3% is concerned for 1 reason: If we are talking about deaths among all people that tested positive within 28 days that figure will be far far higher than 3% once you take out the element that did NOT die from covid but were, I don’t know, let’s say suffering with terminal cancer, or on another form of end of life care, or maybe just old. COVID may have been a factor but the vast majority have died because of their underlying medical complications. Further N.B. Also, I hope we can agree that in excess of 95% of the population is estimated to have now had covid in some form or another, which matches with the upper quartile the ONS use for all estimations. Which in turn would mean that the disparity in both of our arguments is closer than you would suggest, although you seem to think we are poles apart. Total population 0.05% 95% population 3%+ Your argument is also assuming that 100% that are infected have tested and reported the result, we all know that is not the case by a long stretch. P.S. I hope I am still your over confident “friend” "I do see your point but …. That is a different equation with a different purpose and ultimately a different set of results. I’m talking about the ultimate risk of morbidity. Whilst you may be right that 3% is the figure amongst all that have tested positive within 28days I myself am only interested is my overall risk factor which stands at 0.05%.. The big issue long term is neurological changes long term even with mild infections- acute Covid recovered patients have already been documented to be developing Alzheimer’s now. Milder cases are also causing brain changes. I honestly think the overall risk factor is higher than you think for morbidity. The other risk is also successive infections- Covid really suppressed T and B cells, long term this could leave us more susceptible to other infections. There are plenty long term studies of SARS1 survivors- whilst a more pathogenic disease- the morbidity rate after 10 years is alarming especially with neurological issues. | |||
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" World population stands at 7.9 Billion Worldwide death rate therefore stands at 0.075% You don't work out death rate using the total population. What? Are you part of the government? Here’s a suggested question for the national curriculum: If I’ve got 7.9 Billion eggs and 6 Million of them are in a Chicken shed that gets completely and utterly flattened by an asteroid what percentage of eggs have perished ? Answers on a postcard It isn't a maths question my over confident friend. It's a question of what is a useful measure. Deaths per total population isn't very useful, because you lose insight on deadly a disease is. I do see your point but …. That is a different equation with a different purpose and ultimately a different set of results. I’m talking about the ultimate risk of morbidity. Whilst you may be right that 3% is the figure amongst all that have tested positive within 28days I myself am only interested is my overall risk factor which stands at 0.05%. N.B. From what you have indicated I would be very sceptical where the quoted figure of 3% is concerned for 1 reason: If we are talking about deaths among all people that tested positive within 28 days that figure will be far far higher than 3% once you take out the element that did NOT die from covid but were, I don’t know, let’s say suffering with terminal cancer, or on another form of end of life care, or maybe just old. COVID may have been a factor but the vast majority have died because of their underlying medical complications. Further N.B. Also, I hope we can agree that in excess of 95% of the population is estimated to have now had covid in some form or another, which matches with the upper quartile the ONS use for all estimations. Which in turn would mean that the disparity in both of our arguments is closer than you would suggest, although you seem to think we are poles apart. Total population 0.05% 95% population 3%+ Your argument is also assuming that 100% that are infected have tested and reported the result, we all know that is not the case by a long stretch. P.S. I hope I am still your over confident “friend” "Usual advice, ignore everything said before the word "but". 
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" The "government", such that it is has bumbled and bs'd its way thorough the entire pandemic. If you listen to scientists, medics and public health experts you get a very consistent picture except for a very few outliers (as in any profession). The chance of dying if you caught Covid (case fatality rate) for the UK in September 2020 was 0.76% and is now 0.26% That is deaths, not severe and long term illness which flu does not give you. The World was 2.27% and now 0.42%. All of these figures ignore the early part of the pandemic when there were no treatments and little testing. The average case fatality rate of flu is 0.1% (0.2% in a bad year) The CFR for Covid in the UK is higher than the worst strain of flu and double that on average. Also, these figures have mainly been achieved through very widespread vaccination and isolation and a much, much less deadly strain. The "tin hatters" were utterly wrong. It is and was conspiracy theory that Covid has not been "real" or serious. Whoever is claiming to understand the "basic maths" elsewhere in the thread is also utterly wrong because none of the statistics or understanding involved is "basic". Russia invading Ukraine is not a "misdirection" it is a dictator's war which will have been contributed to by a leader isolated and inward looking due to his self-imposed Covid isolation because he knew just how serious an illness it was. It is a convenient distraction for our politicians. BoJo is undeservedly lucky. | |||
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" Usual advice, ignore everything said before the word "but".
Winston"I’m sure you probably meant AFTER the word “but” however (not but) I’ll go along with you. In future I’ll ignore everything said before the Winston bit.  | |||
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" Usual advice, ignore everything said before the word "but".
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I’m sure you probably meant AFTER the word “but”
however (not but) I’ll go along with you.
In future I’ll ignore everything said before the Winston bit.
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" Usual advice, ignore everything said before the word "but".
Winston
I’m sure you probably meant AFTER the word “but”
however (not but) I’ll go along with you.
In future I’ll ignore everything said before the Winston bit.
"I'm sure you're absolutely right. Note to self, do not post when recovering from anaesthetic.
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"because it always was its been one massive Hoax try to Google the season flu stats for past two years you won't find them thy been combined with Covid stats" I tend to agree with you. Well said, and how the narrative changed so quick to it’s a flu get on with life. Good timing too - Just as the FDA released the first batch of the Pfizer vaccine safety trial data ordered by the judge - not pretty reading I must say. Over 1200 side effects and the FDA still approved it . Pfizer paid $2.8 million to FDA to approve. Collusion at its best! Truth is coming out so they park the scam covid for now at least and move the eyes on to Ukraine Russia where they will do more damage. If the truth got out about the jabs then those who took it will be extremely worried as Pfizer only knows what health effects this will have on people over the years to come. | |||
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" The government practically saying so as much. When Johnson said that we should treat covid like the flu and learn to live with it. What people call the tin hat brigade said at the start of the pandemic. They shouldn't be called conspiracy theory any more just spoiler alerts. Then comes the miss direction now we're all focusing on the Russians ! ??" Not quite how it works though is it… vaccinations, development and reduced virility of variants, better resilience. As for misdirection, death and war isn’t misdirection it’s real and shocking news. An example of misdirection would be reporting a few hundred immigrants crossing the channel like is a full scale invasion just a time the government are under pressure… plenty more examples to give too | |||
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"because it always was its been one massive Hoax try to Google the season flu stats for past two years you won't find them thy been combined with Covid stats If covid is a hoax (it isnt) its the world's best ever hoax. How the governments and opposition party's from over 160 countries came together to perpetrate this hoax is beyond me. To what aim? I'm sure the family and friends of the 5,960,972 dead are reassured that this is just a hoax. Hoax theory. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Winston" It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled x | |||
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"More worryingly is the rise of problems since being jabbed, just look on the government yellow card scheme on the website, very scary shit . Looking back at the start everyone was scared to death of catching covid, I know I was and same goes for my family . But to be told it’s just like the flu now, wow you couldn’t make it up, fucked the whole country up for flu . Businesses suffering some going bust , school kids having school ruined exams etc , and now the cost of living has rocketed , fuel prices hearing etc . Something stinks You need a better understanding of the purpose and data that comes out of the yellow card scheme. Winston" ignorance is bliss | |||
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"More worryingly is the rise of problems since being jabbed, just look on the government yellow card scheme on the website, very scary shit . Looking back at the start everyone was scared to death of catching covid, I know I was and same goes for my family . But to be told it’s just like the flu now, wow you couldn’t make it up, fucked the whole country up for flu . Businesses suffering some going bust , school kids having school ruined exams etc , and now the cost of living has rocketed , fuel prices hearing etc . Something stinks You need a better understanding of the purpose and data that comes out of the yellow card scheme. Winston ignorance is bliss "You must be very very happy. | |||
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" Take a step back to when Covid first hit. There was no testing and no-one knew 100% why or how many people died. We have a close relative who works in a care home and they had 11 residents on end of life care. Every single one of their deaths were put down to Covid, even though they were dying of something else and even though they were never tested for Covid. 11 people in 1 care home. How many more deaths in the UK care homes were registered in the same way. And let's not forget about the deaths from flu that same year which were registered as Covid and not flu. Oh that old chestnut "Again ignorance is bliss, ignore what scares you due to the reality of it but follow the main stream media as they always tell the truth | |||
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