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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Wise = chose | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " problem with this is several private care homes have made it there own policy so even if the goverment changed there mind the owners wont .... in our group all 300 + staff wanted the vaccine only one did not who got a job elsewhere .... things will get interesting if ever we have a bad strain again ... by the way i think its wrong if they think of back tracking as the majority have had and wanted to have the jab within the nhs | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Agreed | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Definitely | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " The requirement changed because the situation changed. Omicron is less deadly. If it was still Delta in circulation then it may not have. That said, from the very start, there were questions of how the reduction in staff could be made up considering the shortages pre-Covid. Very few doctors and nurses would have been sacked. The vast majority were vaccinated without any requirement in place. None were sacked as the rule was never instated. Care workers, perhaps... | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Had a feeling this would happen regardless of the virus. Staffing levels particularly in care homes are dangerously low as it is. Today is a good day. | |||
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"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. " We didn’t … we’re posting! | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. " Herd immunity is the reason people existed ten thousand years ago,and it will be the reason people exist ten thousand years from now  | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. " I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! " Actually even on three news they state x number of people died within 28 days of testing positive of the virus. It doesn't actually state they died because of the virus | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! Actually even on three news they state x number of people died within 28 days of testing positive of the virus. It doesn't actually state they died because of the virus" The whole “died of” vs “died with” argument rolls on but the question that needs to be asked of the “died with” is whether Covid aggravated or “accelerated” an existing condition. So yes the proverbial “killed in a car crash but also had Covid on death certificate” can obviously be discounted but someone whose health condition, say cancer, may have killed them in a years time but due to also having Covid they actually died far sooner obviously should count because they may have enjoyed another year of life with family and friends. | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! Actually even on three news they state x number of people died within 28 days of testing positive of the virus. It doesn't actually state they died because of the virus The whole “died of” vs “died with” argument rolls on but the question that needs to be asked of the “died with” is whether Covid aggravated or “accelerated” an existing condition. So yes the proverbial “killed in a car crash but also had Covid on death certificate” can obviously be discounted but someone whose health condition, say cancer, may have killed them in a years time but due to also having Covid they actually died far sooner obviously should count because they may have enjoyed another year of life with family and friends." It’s hard though to say X would have killed them in a years time and as such it was days, months, years lost. Similar infections could, of course, have effected a similar outcome and at any time in that period. My belief is that a vast majority were knocking on heavens door… Covid may well have opened it. | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Quite right! The whole thing was futile and disgraceful; whatever the good or bad effects of these dubious vaccines they never had any effect on transmission so the vile fascistic 'mandates' were totally unjustified and vicious. | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. Herd immunity is the reason people existed ten thousand years ago,and it will be the reason people exist ten thousand years from now "Herd immunity requires the majority to catch the disease. Many of the herd die as a consequence. Fewer people die if vaccinated. Is that a good thing? | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x Quite right! The whole thing was futile and disgraceful; whatever the good or bad effects of these dubious vaccines they never had any effect on transmission so the vile fascistic 'mandates' were totally unjustified and vicious." Yes, vaccines do reduce transmission as well as the chance of catching the virus such that it can be passed on at all... | |||
"Wise is correct, they used common sense and critical thinking and decided against the jab. This should be everyone’s right, without having it pushed and plugged and shoved down our throats through fear and propaganda. " ...or data and evidence and demonstrable correlation of the effectiveness of vaccines. | |||
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"Obesity kills more now than anything else. Will they vaccinate against that? Would anyone take it? " Well I could do with losing a bit of timber.......  | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. Herd immunity is the reason people existed ten thousand years ago,and it will be the reason people exist ten thousand years from now
Herd immunity requires the majority to catch the disease.
Many of the herd die as a consequence.
Fewer people die if vaccinated. Is that a good thing? " | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! Actually even on three news they state x number of people died within 28 days of testing positive of the virus. It doesn't actually state they died because of the virus The whole “died of” vs “died with” argument rolls on but the question that needs to be asked of the “died with” is whether Covid aggravated or “accelerated” an existing condition. So yes the proverbial “killed in a car crash but also had Covid on death certificate” can obviously be discounted but someone whose health condition, say cancer, may have killed them in a years time but due to also having Covid they actually died far sooner obviously should count because they may have enjoyed another year of life with family and friends. It’s hard though to say X would have killed them in a years time and as such it was days, months, years lost. Similar infections could, of course, have effected a similar outcome and at any time in that period. My belief is that a vast majority were knocking on heavens door… Covid may well have opened it. " Perhaps but are you therefore saying Covid was not a factor for those people and their deaths should not be included in Covid stats? If so then where do we draw the line? At what point can we say with some certainty that Covid aggravated/accelerated another condition? I don’t know the answers to any of that of course. I just think it is more complex then, as some people try to claim, removing all the “died with” from stats. Of course without a post mortem we will never know | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. " we did and I am x | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. we did and I am x " Only because the majority had a different view. Regardless of vaccine, what about jobs if we were still in lockdown? | |||
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"I suppose there are always going to be a certain number of twats present in any society." oh definitely | |||
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"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x " Pandemic isn’t finished. At least one more wave. Timing rumoured to be driven by request from China. Can’t unleash an army if they are all dropping like flies with Covid, those tanks would be incubators! | |||
"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x " Think you ment Biden x | |||
"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x Think you ment Biden x" The pandemic is not over. Russia, led by Putin, invaded Ukraine. What's happening in your alternate reality? | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. I say this as a vaccinated person - total rubbish! Sorry but really!! What is the percentage number of people who have contracted Covid and died? I have lost track but I believe we are talking about less than 1%. Now 1%ish of a LOT of people is still a LOT of people dying and it is beyond tragic, but the other c.99% survived. It was/is totally awful but it wasn’t armageddon! Actually even on three news they state x number of people died within 28 days of testing positive of the virus. It doesn't actually state they died because of the virus The whole “died of” vs “died with” argument rolls on but the question that needs to be asked of the “died with” is whether Covid aggravated or “accelerated” an existing condition. So yes the proverbial “killed in a car crash but also had Covid on death certificate” can obviously be discounted but someone whose health condition, say cancer, may have killed them in a years time but due to also having Covid they actually died far sooner obviously should count because they may have enjoyed another year of life with family and friends." Yeah and who knows because if covid was on their death certificate then no post mortem taken place so deadly nightshade or cyanide could have been present too | |||
"By this point many will have left or found other jobs anyway & good luck to them, the government don't value the hard work the NHS staff do " and most likely better or same pay for a less stressful job | |||
"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x Think you ment Biden x" Possibly the most bizarre interpretation of world events I've seen in a while. 
Winston | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x The requirement changed because the situation changed. Omicron is less deadly. If it was still Delta in circulation then it may not have. That said, from the very start, there were questions of how the reduction in staff could be made up considering the shortages pre-Covid. Very few doctors and nurses would have been sacked. The vast majority were vaccinated without any requirement in place. None were sacked as the rule was never instated. Care workers, perhaps..." So an irate demand to reinstate people that havent actually been sacked! Lol | |||
"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x Think you ment Biden x" What war did biden start? Please forward details, as I missed that one. Thanks | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. " our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters " It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them." Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! " team player ? You mean easily manipulated sheep ? | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " Maybe they choose to get the vaccine to save lives, ever thought of that?! | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! team player ? You mean easily manipulated sheep ? " Why are scientifically minded people "manipulated sheep"? | |||
"Was nice of Putin to wait until the pandemic finished to start the war x Think you ment Biden x What war did biden start? Please forward details, as I missed that one. Thanks " Probably the next one after those utterly stupid comments | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! team player ? You mean easily manipulated sheep ? " Not really. These are people who are billed out a 100s an hour. So i doubt you could call them sheep. There’s a difference between blindly following orders and doing the right thing to preserve the mission. When time is money you can do without too many “awkward squad” causing issues. | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! team player ? You mean easily manipulated sheep ? " I've found, generally speaking, the easily manipulated sheep are the gullible fools taken in by snake oil salesmen and the Ill informed lunatic fringe. Winston | |||
"On another note. Are people hiring staff who proactively claim to be an anti vaxxer. I’ve heard of that costing a post to some. our place isn't.. you have to be vaccinated and agree to further boosters It doesn't get discussed where I work. We don't ask potential staff if they've had the vaccine or not. If someone was to go on an anti-science rant during the interview, we'd be unlikely to hire them. Yes it was the latter I had in mind, more so than proactively seeking out their status. You can tell the type that would be awkward. It is not a trait that sings “team player”! team player ? You mean easily manipulated sheep ? " Is “sheep” the only insult that anti-vaxers can think of? Is that what it says in the handbook? | |||
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"My shares in Tinfoil just went long..... Winston " | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x " What do you mean “wise enough not to be pricked”? | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x What do you mean “wise enough not to be pricked”? " Hahahaha | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x What do you mean “wise enough not to be pricked”? " The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. | |||
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"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x What do you mean “wise enough not to be pricked”? The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. " absolutely x | |||
"Love this thread, so funny. Only argument missing is you know the earth is flat right, and they just tell you it isn't and you believe it. Oh wait isn't there some science around about that confirms its round, ah well ignore the science its all propaganda ?? " that’s the best you can come up with ? Lol flat earth was designed to be used as a weapon by stupid people by the occult that control both sides of the argument no better way of pissing into the fountain of knowledge with pointless crap like flat earth to strengthen there grip | |||
"I knew they’d back down on sacking doctors and nurses wise enough not to be pricked x now reinstate all the care workers that lost their jobs please x What do you mean “wise enough not to be pricked”? The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. absolutely x " Absolutely 90% of NHS staff who got vaccinated are unwise and medically uninformed, but you are smarter? Who's the fool? | |||
" And of course you also must know all this as you've done your research too! Away from Google and MSM presumably. Follow the narrative and we’ll have this all wrapped up in two weeks to flatten the curve. 
I think the real question is why do people still believe in the nonsense you posted?
Winston
Have you ever noticed that people who decry the “msm” never go on to share their own, apparently better, sources of info?
And in this case, apparently Google can’t be relied upon either! Lol
It does make me chuckle when people decry facts, suggest that "you all" question everything, then parade some half arsed nonsense that clearly demonstrates they've questioned nothing and been hoodwinked by snake oil salesmen and the lunatic fringe.
But somehow, we're the fools. It's quite funny.
Winston
Yeah. No proof, no rigour, no scrutiny, no facts.
Wrap up all respected career journalists as msm and decide to completely ignore their findings and reports. Instead, rely on rumour, conjecture, half-facts, conspiracy and fear. "Funny how you mainstreamers come back with "give me the evidence" when you must be fully aware that according to site ruled, we are not permitted to link alternative media sites - and I don't mean social media Fakebook etc which belongs to one of the members of the elite, just like any other mainstream media outlet, including Google  .
You really think mainstream journalists will bite the hands that feeds them?! Do you really think scientists and doctors are going to go against the narrative and bite the hands that feeds them? Only those with integrity and, guess what, they've been austracised by mainstream media and you lot.
There is no "independent" and objective opinion put into mainstream media. When did you hear of anyone advising caution on vaccinating the world population over and over and over with a "vaccine" which doesn't come with at least 10 years of successive data, where one step is taken carefully after another, to allow full effects to be recorded precisely and evaluated accordingly before moving on to the next step - and most certainly before wanting to vaccinate 7 billion people and to top it off, threaten mandates!!! Where the fuck is anyone's common fucking sense?!
I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities - my privacy is lost, my freedom to move freely is lost, where is national pride (gone with the wind to globalisation!) because it'll be too late.
And it'll be those of you who have complied, complied and complied 10x over while your businesses were shut, your schools were shut, your doctors refused to see you in person (I mean, what the actual fuck?!), while you clapped for the "essential" workers - leaving children, leaving the old, the sick, the lonely to rot in hell.
World Economic Forum, many world leaders, past and present, are members. You will find it on Google too, painted in a pretty picture.
Klaus Schwab: "I own nothing, I will be happy". | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities " What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks | |||
" And of course you also must know all this as you've done your research too! Away from Google and MSM presumably. Follow the narrative and we’ll have this all wrapped up in two weeks to flatten the curve.
I think the real question is why do people still believe in the nonsense you posted?
Winston
Have you ever noticed that people who decry the “msm” never go on to share their own, apparently better, sources of info?
And in this case, apparently Google can’t be relied upon either! Lol
It does make me chuckle when people decry facts, suggest that "you all" question everything, then parade some half arsed nonsense that clearly demonstrates they've questioned nothing and been hoodwinked by snake oil salesmen and the lunatic fringe.
But somehow, we're the fools. It's quite funny.
Winston
Yeah. No proof, no rigour, no scrutiny, no facts.
Wrap up all respected career journalists as msm and decide to completely ignore their findings and reports. Instead, rely on rumour, conjecture, half-facts, conspiracy and fear.
Funny how you mainstreamers come back with "give me the evidence" when you must be fully aware that according to site ruled, we are not permitted to link alternative media sites - and I don't mean social media Fakebook etc which belongs to one of the members of the elite, just like any other mainstream media outlet, including Google .
You really think mainstream journalists will bite the hands that feeds them?! Do you really think scientists and doctors are going to go against the narrative and bite the hands that feeds them? Only those with integrity and, guess what, they've been austracised by mainstream media and you lot.
There is no "independent" and objective opinion put into mainstream media. When did you hear of anyone advising caution on vaccinating the world population over and over and over with a "vaccine" which doesn't come with at least 10 years of successive data, where one step is taken carefully after another, to allow full effects to be recorded precisely and evaluated accordingly before moving on to the next step - and most certainly before wanting to vaccinate 7 billion people and to top it off, threaten mandates!!! Where the fuck is anyone's common fucking sense?!
I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities - my privacy is lost, my freedom to move freely is lost, where is national pride (gone with the wind to globalisation!) because it'll be too late.
And it'll be those of you who have complied, complied and complied 10x over while your businesses were shut, your schools were shut, your doctors refused to see you in person (I mean, what the actual fuck?!), while you clapped for the "essential" workers - leaving children, leaving the old, the sick, the lonely to rot in hell.
World Economic Forum, many world leaders, past and present, are members. You will find it on Google too, painted in a pretty picture.
Klaus Schwab: "I own nothing, I will be happy"."I get it. I choose to form my views based on publicly available, well-researched information from multiple sources. You prefer listening to and regurgitating conspiracy theories. I’ll stick to my information sources thanks, they have served me well for many decades. | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks" Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it | |||
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" And of course you also must know all this as you've done your research too! Away from Google and MSM presumably. Follow the narrative and we’ll have this all wrapped up in two weeks to flatten the curve.
I think the real question is why do people still believe in the nonsense you posted?
Winston
Have you ever noticed that people who decry the “msm” never go on to share their own, apparently better, sources of info?
And in this case, apparently Google can’t be relied upon either! Lol
It does make me chuckle when people decry facts, suggest that "you all" question everything, then parade some half arsed nonsense that clearly demonstrates they've questioned nothing and been hoodwinked by snake oil salesmen and the lunatic fringe.
But somehow, we're the fools. It's quite funny.
Winston
Yeah. No proof, no rigour, no scrutiny, no facts.
Wrap up all respected career journalists as msm and decide to completely ignore their findings and reports. Instead, rely on rumour, conjecture, half-facts, conspiracy and fear.
Funny how you mainstreamers come back with "give me the evidence" when you must be fully aware that according to site ruled, we are not permitted to link alternative media sites - and I don't mean social media Fakebook etc which belongs to one of the members of the elite, just like any other mainstream media outlet, including Google .
You really think mainstream journalists will bite the hands that feeds them?! Do you really think scientists and doctors are going to go against the narrative and bite the hands that feeds them? Only those with integrity and, guess what, they've been austracised by mainstream media and you lot.
There is no "independent" and objective opinion put into mainstream media. When did you hear of anyone advising caution on vaccinating the world population over and over and over with a "vaccine" which doesn't come with at least 10 years of successive data, where one step is taken carefully after another, to allow full effects to be recorded precisely and evaluated accordingly before moving on to the next step - and most certainly before wanting to vaccinate 7 billion people and to top it off, threaten mandates!!! Where the fuck is anyone's common fucking sense?!
I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities - my privacy is lost, my freedom to move freely is lost, where is national pride (gone with the wind to globalisation!) because it'll be too late.
And it'll be those of you who have complied, complied and complied 10x over while your businesses were shut, your schools were shut, your doctors refused to see you in person (I mean, what the actual fuck?!), while you clapped for the "essential" workers - leaving children, leaving the old, the sick, the lonely to rot in hell.
World Economic Forum, many world leaders, past and present, are members. You will find it on Google too, painted in a pretty picture.
Klaus Schwab: "I own nothing, I will be happy"."I think you make some good points that merit discussion. For example, When physical assets are replaced by electronic versions... Such as NFTs... And when digital security is so flakey surely there is a discussion to be had on whether the impact to our lives is desirable.? The headlong march to technical convenience, and the trust we don't even realise we are putting in the server farm operators is worth discussion. I mean who decided we should put all our trust in our entire life's journey in Microsoft or apple or Google? | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it "You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand? | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?"I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn? You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded". The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc. There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often "Ding! We have a winner There’s a reason why people hide their profiles 
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"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often "I'm not doubting that technology will play an even greater part in modern day life, and we need to understand how that technology will benefit or hinder our lives. We don't live in China, I don't expect our government to follow the lead of China either. In that respect I can't see the correlation between a vaccine record and the doomsday end goal you paint above. If the trust in technology and how it used is the core concern for you, what would be your counter to this? What is the alternative to technology advancements? More interestingly, how would world governments be setup and work to remove the overreach you see as the driving force behind these dramatic views? | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often "Far-fetched fantasy. | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often "We're not in China. No part of the UK is governed by a Communist regime. This is hysteria, scaremongering and conspiracy nonsense beyond comprehension. Winston | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often
We're not in China.
No part of the UK is governed by a Communist regime.
This is hysteria, scaremongering and conspiracy nonsense beyond comprehension.
Winston"… I’m not convinced that the US (home of the tech giants) is about to embrace communism either! | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often
We're not in China.
No part of the UK is governed by a Communist regime.
This is hysteria, scaremongering and conspiracy nonsense beyond comprehension.
Winston
… I’m not convinced that the US (home of the tech giants) is about to embrace communism either! "As Ronnie Reagan said, "better dead than red Nancy" 
Winston | |||
"I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities What do these things mean to you? Not overall, each individual item would be good. Thanks Death of democracy, death of basic human rights, death of privacy, death of owning your private home, death to freedom of choice, speech, movement, bodily autonomy - global communism probably covers it
You are adding the word death but not really opening up the impacts on day to day living. Can you expand?
I'm not quite sure what part you don't understand? China - communism, do you know what happens to those who speak out of turn?
You will be assigned a digital id, which will hold ALL your private, personal, financial, medical, travel records in one place. You will be assigned a universal income, you will be assigned your personalised taxes, you will be assigned a "suitable" home, you will be assigned carbon credits, you will be assigned with your medical treatments, you will be told where you can spend your money and when, you will be told what you can say and where (censorship is already rife!!!) - none of these will be your choice but the choice by the powers that be, all for the "greater good", to cover your social responsibility. If you don't comply, there will be sanctions. If you comply you may be "rewarded".
The vaxx passport is a prime example. That will be implemented not only for the medical record you hold, but the energy you consume, the foods you consume (red meat - high Carbon footprint, imported foods etc) etc.
There was an interesting advert the WEF showed on what garments "should" be washed how often
We're not in China.
No part of the UK is governed by a Communist regime.
This is hysteria, scaremongering and conspiracy nonsense beyond comprehension.
Winston
… I’m not convinced that the US (home of the tech giants) is about to embrace communism either! "When you say home... What do you mean? Corp hq? What of their data functions? As an example Google or microsofts data centres in Asia, Korea or China or South America, which laws apply to the data managed in those locations? | |||
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy  .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull | |||
"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull "Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure. How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust? I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality. Winston | |||
"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
"Well, hasn't the government done a great job then of providing adequate housing for everyone, roads, plenty of hospital beds to go around too, right? (Ireland got rid of thousands and thousands of hospital beds over the last 2 decades, with an ever increasing and ageing population, but hey). I didn't think the government needs to know how many bedrooms are in my house to plan the number of schools, doctors and roads . I would have thought that's a population and age distribution kinda thing | |||
"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
Well, hasn't the government done a great job then of providing adequate housing for everyone, roads, plenty of hospital beds to go around too, right? (Ireland got rid of thousands and thousands of hospital beds over the last 2 decades, with an ever increasing and ageing population, but hey).
I didn't think the government needs to know how many bedrooms are in my house to plan the number of schools, doctors and roads . I would have thought that's a population and age distribution kinda thing "Yes, it's exactly a population and age distribution kinda thing. Across the wider community, hence the census, which isn't sent to just your house I'm guessing. Winston | |||
"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
Well, hasn't the government done a great job then of providing adequate housing for everyone, roads, plenty of hospital beds to go around too, right? (Ireland got rid of thousands and thousands of hospital beds over the last 2 decades, with an ever increasing and ageing population, but hey).
I didn't think the government needs to know how many bedrooms are in my house to plan the number of schools, doctors and roads . I would have thought that's a population and age distribution kinda thing
Yes, it's exactly a population and age distribution kinda thing. Across the wider community, hence the census, which isn't sent to just your house I'm guessing.
Winston
"So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston? Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
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"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
Well, hasn't the government done a great job then of providing adequate housing for everyone, roads, plenty of hospital beds to go around too, right? (Ireland got rid of thousands and thousands of hospital beds over the last 2 decades, with an ever increasing and ageing population, but hey).
I didn't think the government needs to know how many bedrooms are in my house to plan the number of schools, doctors and roads . I would have thought that's a population and age distribution kinda thing
Yes, it's exactly a population and age distribution kinda thing. Across the wider community, hence the census, which isn't sent to just your house I'm guessing.
Winston
So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston?
Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
"If I recall correctly the census has been asking about the number of rooms in people's houses for donkeys years, it's got absolutely zero to do with Ukrainian refugees, a crisis that occurred a few short weeks ago. Facts you say..... *rubs chin
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"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
Well, hasn't the government done a great job then of providing adequate housing for everyone, roads, plenty of hospital beds to go around too, right? (Ireland got rid of thousands and thousands of hospital beds over the last 2 decades, with an ever increasing and ageing population, but hey).
I didn't think the government needs to know how many bedrooms are in my house to plan the number of schools, doctors and roads . I would have thought that's a population and age distribution kinda thing
Yes, it's exactly a population and age distribution kinda thing. Across the wider community, hence the census, which isn't sent to just your house I'm guessing.
Winston
So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston?
Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
"Didn't you say it was a public referendum? Whatever this private members bill is outlining, it will be decided by the people not the state. I did have some questions further up this thread that you didn't come back to me on. Not far up the thread, tech, China and gov control. | |||
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"@ Winston and Backformore Ireland has a national census coming up this weekend - the additional question on the compulsory questionnaire: How many rooms in your house, how many assigned as bedrooms? Funny that, considering that kind of question has nothing to do with planning infrastructure and planning the number of representatives in government based on population. Just as we are apparently going to take in 200,000 Ukrainian refugees in the future when we can't house our own (Ireland population of 5 million)! AND it's really handy that it happens to coincide with an amendment of the housing bill and will soon be put to the people by referendum. Note it's called Right to housing NOT Right to own your private home or holiday home or investment home aka your pension fund. The Thirty-ninth Amendment of the Constitution (Right to Housing) Bill 2020 reached 2nd Stage in the Oireachtas in June 2021. It is proposed to amend the Constitution by virtue of Article 46 to insert the following: 1° The State, in particular, recognises the common good as including the right to secure, affordable, dignified housing, appropriate to need, for all the residents of Ireland and shall guarantee this right through its laws, policies and the prioritisation of resources. 2° The State, accordingly, shall delimit the right to private property where it is necessary to ensure the common good and to vindicate the said right to housing for all residents of Ireland. Note residents, not citizens. You honestly think that once this referendum is passed by the Irish people, because no doubt the campaign will be worded in such a way, that nobody will believe the state will actually take you or your parents out of their residential home, that has now become "too big for need" as the youngsters have flown the nest. Note how broadly it is worded. Who the fuck decides on the definition of "common good", "dignified housing ", "appropriate to need"?! You think they'll go after the vulture funds, the politicians with several homes and investment properties, the rich, famous, the superwealthy? Fuck no, it'll be the average Joe Blogg, who's worked his ass off doing overtime, shift work, second jobs to buy a run down house in the countryside to do up as a project for his family to get away occasionally. They're the easy targets. And with interest rates rising, these people won't be able to afford their mortgages or the interest. They'll be targeted first, and probably in such a manner that basic universal income can be implemented at the same time. And of course this won't come to any other European country either, No! But it's all conspiracy, hey Winston? As for all your personal information in one place, in Ireland, if you have a digital Covid cert, according to a group of lawyers (I don't have a cert so can't verify): The potential storage of private data on a central database in Ireland linking a person’s vaccination and/or proof of recovery status to their PPSN (social security number equivalent) is an issue that could potentially affect ALL citizens if that information is accessed by bodies for reasons other than for the generation and issuing of EU Digital Covid Certificates. (It is asked for on the government portal for application).This is precisely why the most important principle enshrined under EU privacy law (the General Data Protection Regulation, 2018) is that any data processed must be necessary and proportionate taking into account the balance of harm test. Paragraph 5.2 of the Data Protection Impact Assessment Version 0.6 issued by the Government of Ireland, the Department of Health and the HSE refers to the processing of various categories of personal data required to generate and issue the EU Digital Covid Certificate such as forename, surname, date of birth, email and home address BUT NO REFERENCE IS MADE TO A PERSON’S PPSN NUMBER yet it is asked for on application!!! WHO ACCESSES THE DATA? Paragraph 2.3 ‘Data Controllers and Data Processors’ lists all ‘key parties who will provide data or have access to data processed for the purpose of the Digital Covid Certificate scheme’. They include: The Department of Health HSE Microsoft IBM Salesforce EY Accenture Amazon Microsoft DPER (OGCIO) NearForm Qryptal Revenue Amazon You think these companies should have access to your medical records/vaccination status?
The PPSN number is the number associated with the Revenue, department of finance, social welfare, with your bank, your doctor.
But, NO, it's not all going to be on a centralised digital system, Winston - of course, it's all scaremongering and conspiracy .
Now I'll have to run and shine my tinfoil hat, it's getting awfully dull
Frankly I CBA to respond to all that nonsense however, knowing how many rooms there are in your house and how many assigned as bedrooms has an awful lot to do with with planning infrastructure.
How do you think government plans future housing needs, doctors, shops, roads, railways, hospitals, schools, shops? Fairy dust?
I'd hate to be this disconnected from reality.
Winston
"Housing was the number 1 issue in the last general election in Ireland. Makes complete sense to be gathering info re the hosing stock. | |||
"@ Winston I have the census form right in front of me. I have screenshotted and copied the text as follows: H5 How many rooms do you have for use only by your household? Do NOT count bathrooms, toilets, kitchenettes, utility rooms, consulting rooms, offices, shops, halls, landings or rooms that can only be used for storage such as cupboards Do count all other rooms such as kitchens, living rooms, bedrooms, studies and conservatories you can sit in If two rooms have been converted into one, count them as one room Number of rooms Of which bedrooms It is a new version of an older question. The census was meant to be done this time last year but was deferred. Another coincidence?
I'd be quite happy to send you the screenshot by PM too "You know why the census was deferred last year, surely? Cso are only now returning to the office and returning to full capacity, and door to door census officials could not have operated last year. Coincidence with what, precisely? | |||
" So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston? Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
Didn't you say it was a public referendum? Whatever this private members bill is outlining, it will be decided by the people not the state.
I did have some questions further up this thread that you didn't come back to me on.
Not far up the thread, tech, China and gov control.
"It's not a private member's bill. It's an amendment to our constitution. And you can rest assured that the campaign which will accompany that referendum will paint a much prettier picture than what I'm painting so that the people will be fooled into voting it in - for the greater good. Not realising they're signing away their right to own private property if the state deems them to be living in quarters superfluous to their need - however the state chooses to define that! I'm aware I haven't answered your previous comments. It takes time to compile these answers
And I reckon some of my previous posts fit in with your questions.
Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum.
It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not.
And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?!
That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand!
That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice.
And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning.
Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know.
Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy.
The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy.
The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism.
We'll see what happens.
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" So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston? Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
Didn't you say it was a public referendum? Whatever this private members bill is outlining, it will be decided by the people not the state.
I did have some questions further up this thread that you didn't come back to me on.
Not far up the thread, tech, China and gov control.
It's not a private member's bill. It's an amendment to our constitution.
And you can rest assured that the campaign which will accompany that referendum will paint a much prettier picture than what I'm painting so that the people will be fooled into voting it in - for the greater good.
Not realising they're signing away their right to own private property if the state deems them to be living in quarters superfluous to their need - however the state chooses to define that!
I'm aware I haven't answered your previous comments. It takes time to compile these answers
And I reckon some of my previous posts fit in with your questions.
Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum.
It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not.
And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?!
That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand!
That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice.
And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning.
Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know.
Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy.
The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy.
The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism.
We'll see what happens.
"I’m confused You mentioned the upcoming census, which takes place then weekend in Ireland, but are now referring to a change to the constitution, which requires a referendum. There is a referendum this weekend too? | |||
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"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution!" It’s not proposed, there is no such referendum. Yes, there wound be a revolution, and / or mass emigration. It’s a fantasy. | |||
"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution!" Who knows how far the government will take it if the bill is voted into the constitution? I've said it to my friends summer of 2020 when the bill went through the first stage in the Oireachtas. They laughed at me. It went through the second stage last summer. Soon it will become a campaign by the government for referendum preparation. With the influx of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees, they gotta go somewhere, don't they? And we do have a housing crisis. And is a revolution possibly even part of the game plan? Just imagine seeing the first few cases of seized property or the elderly being forced into a purchase order to downsize? I genuinely believe in the agenda of the social credit system/digital id/digital currency. Will it actually happen as more and more may wake up to exactly the above. How many will take having their homes seized for the "greater good"? Who knows? | |||
"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution! It’s not proposed, there is no such referendum. Yes, there wound be a revolution, and / or mass emigration. It’s a fantasy. " The bill has gone through the first 2 stages of the Oireachtas . | |||
"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution!" The referendum will never happen. It is a proposal by a group called “people before profit”, a fringe political group (less than 2 per cent vote), so will not get the support needed to actually reach a referendum. A complete non-story, even by the standard of conspiracy theorists. Very good article in the Irish Times about this and other conspiracies around referenda around the world. Ask peoples ages and the conspiracists will go “oh my god they’re going to shoot all the old people” | |||
"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution! It’s not proposed, there is no such referendum. Yes, there wound be a revolution, and / or mass emigration. It’s a fantasy. The bill has gone through the first 2 stages of the Oireachtas ."It’s a dead duck and you know it | |||
"@Truly Delicious are you seriously saying that you think the state (in this case Ireland) would seize the property that someone owns? I can (almost) see the plausibility of rental accommodation being reallocated on the basis of need but if you outright own a property or even if it is mortgaged and you are paying without any default how could that be taken from you? I think you might actually see a revolution! It’s not proposed, there is no such referendum. Yes, there wound be a revolution, and / or mass emigration. It’s a fantasy. The bill has gone through the first 2 stages of the Oireachtas ."The bill does not suggest anything like the outcome that you describe. Nobody would support it. Parties are looking at the positives of the proposal with regard to housing, but the state taking ownership of everyone’s horn is nonsense. Also, info gathered by the cso can not be shared with any bodies except in anonymised form. So nobody Woolf get access to the info that someone has 2 spare bedrooms for example. Call ardee road if you need further clarity on that. Nothing to see here! | |||
I suppose all good conspiracy theories have to have him somewhere lol | |||
"Lol Bill Gates is involved now
I suppose all good conspiracy theories have to have him somewhere lol"When do we all start getting anal probes and fitted with microchips? The level of intelligence exhibited by some posts is a prime example of why every nation need immigration! | |||
" So why do the government want to know how many bedrooms are in my house, Winston? Do they want to "encourage" or coerce me rather, to take in a Ukrainian refugee if the state deems my house to be "superfluous to need"? Or will they upgrade me to a more stately home if I have 5 children sharing 2 bedrooms?
Frankly, I find your way of thinking rather naive, unless, of course, you're actually not reading some pretty damning facts I have presented with the census, the influx of a ton of refugees and a loosely worded new bill which may very well become constitutional in Ireland and reallocate homes as the state sees fit.
Whatever your stance towards above arguments, if you've actually bothered reading, if you can't see that this bill can't be and/or won't be massively abused by the state, then you really are a lost cause.
Didn't you say it was a public referendum? Whatever this private members bill is outlining, it will be decided by the people not the state.
I did have some questions further up this thread that you didn't come back to me on.
Not far up the thread, tech, China and gov control.
It's not a private member's bill. It's an amendment to our constitution.
And you can rest assured that the campaign which will accompany that referendum will paint a much prettier picture than what I'm painting so that the people will be fooled into voting it in - for the greater good.
Not realising they're signing away their right to own private property if the state deems them to be living in quarters superfluous to their need - however the state chooses to define that!
I'm aware I haven't answered your previous comments. It takes time to compile these answers
And I reckon some of my previous posts fit in with your questions.
Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum.
It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not.
And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?!
That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand!
That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice.
And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning.
Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know.
Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy.
The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy.
The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism.
We'll see what happens.
""Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite" the sort of technological advances like you used to post that on the Internet by chance?
Winston | |||
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"@ the last few answers on the thread "Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that? Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves? | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?"Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details. "Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out. I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing. I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is. It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?! Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen? Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis! As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition. But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes. Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms? | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
"As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
"Again though as I have said/asked (and I hope I have done so in a respectful way)... to enforce the confiscation of owned property the state will require the police, army and civil servants to also comply. Or will all of them get an exemption regarding their homes? If so best get applying for a public sector job right? | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
"The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
Again though as I have said/asked (and I hope I have done so in a respectful way)... to enforce the confiscation of owned property the state will require the police, army and civil servants to also comply.
Or will all of them get an exemption regarding their homes?
If so best get applying for a public sector job right?"Again you’re going down the rabbit hole of wondering about the finer details of something that simply isn’t going to happen. The “they’re going to seize people’s homes” interpretation came from one extremist, and was quickly pissed on by all concerned. The bill in question is not a mandate for communist takeover. That is just a total lie. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics "Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"? | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"? "Not really, no. They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized … | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"?
Not really, no.
They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized … "So the state have not siezed anyone's homes then.? | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"?
Not really, no.
They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized …
So the state have not siezed anyone's homes then.? "I am not aware of the Irish state seizing homes. And if they did, that would be as a form of sanctions rather than redistribute if homing resources across the population as is being suggested. That isn’t happening. And executing sanctions against oligarchs is a completely different thing. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
Again though as I have said/asked (and I hope I have done so in a respectful way)... to enforce the confiscation of owned property the state will require the police, army and civil servants to also comply.
Or will all of them get an exemption regarding their homes?
If so best get applying for a public sector job right?
Again you’re going down the rabbit hole of wondering about the finer details of something that simply isn’t going to happen.
The “they’re going to seize people’s homes” interpretation came from one extremist, and was quickly pissed on by all concerned.
The bill in question is not a mandate for communist takeover. That is just a total lie. "Except it isn’t me down the rabbit hole. I want to see what Truly Delicious has to say on my specific point on public sector worker compliance to enable such a thing. I believe that is a rhetorical question but keen to see a response. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"?
Not really, no.
They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized …
So the state have not siezed anyone's homes then.?
I am not aware of the Irish state seizing homes. And if they did, that would be as a form of sanctions rather than redistribute if homing resources across the population as is being suggested. That isn’t happening. And executing sanctions against oligarchs is a completely different thing. "Note that the in the UK the NCA can, and indeed have, confiscated/seized assets that are the proceeds of crime. That is because there is legislation to enable this but it is tight and, funnily enough, focused on wealth proven the be generated by criminal activity. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
Again though as I have said/asked (and I hope I have done so in a respectful way)... to enforce the confiscation of owned property the state will require the police, army and civil servants to also comply.
Or will all of them get an exemption regarding their homes?
If so best get applying for a public sector job right?
Again you’re going down the rabbit hole of wondering about the finer details of something that simply isn’t going to happen.
The “they’re going to seize people’s homes” interpretation came from one extremist, and was quickly pissed on by all concerned.
The bill in question is not a mandate for communist takeover. That is just a total lie.
Except it isn’t me down the rabbit hole. I want to see what Truly Delicious has to say on my specific point on public sector worker compliance to enable such a thing. I believe that is a rhetorical question but keen to see a response. "Understood! | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"?
Not really, no.
They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized …
So the state have not siezed anyone's homes then.?
I am not aware of the Irish state seizing homes. And if they did, that would be as a form of sanctions rather than redistribute if homing resources across the population as is being suggested. That isn’t happening. And executing sanctions against oligarchs is a completely different thing.
Note that the in the UK the NCA can, and indeed have, confiscated/seized assets that are the proceeds of crime. That is because there is legislation to enable this but it is tight and, funnily enough, focused on wealth proven the be generated by criminal activity. "Has been happening in Ireland for years. The CAB (criminal assets bureau) is a very successful model, bringing together police and officials from whatever government departments are needed, to form an efficient team that work together ti seize assets. The CAB has been very successful. | |||
"@ the last few answers on the thread
Even if what you fear turns out to be true and the Irish Govt is prepared and willing to confiscate the property (owned homes) of citizens, how will that work for the 000s of public sector workers who will be needed to enforce that?
Civil Servants, soldiers, police all own homes. Are they going to comply themselves?
Given that it will never happen, let’s not worry too much about the finer details.
Who knows if it will happen and how @BirdIn
I have come across several articles through Google which clearly indicate a referendum is on the cards before the year is out.
I have come across one article whereby a small handful of TDs have indicated that the wording of the bill as presented is too broad and needs addressing by the Commission for Housing.
I don't know the procedure for passing a bill in the Oireachtas. I don't know how many votes for/against will pass is.
It has passed 2 stages. That anyone in the Oireachtas would pass any bill with that kind of wording is beyond me because they'll have to know that this is made public and cause uproar and mistrust in their community?!
Just because a handful of backbenchers state the wording needs addressing - does that mean it will happen?
Anyone who sees that bill how it is proposed currently, should have the fear of losing their home if they have a room spare with the knowledge of 200,000 Ukrainian refugees coming into the country and the fact we have a housing crisis!
As for my opinions, you lot can sneer, mock, laugh, whatever - obviously I hope that the sinister plans don't come to fruition.
But if we are in something now that can't be stopped without a major revolution or if we are in something that a lot of "us" believe is true, then it is you mainstreamers who have facilitated by complying in ignorance as "we" have been screaming at you to look at what we believe is in front of your eyes.
Who here has actually bothered looking up the World Economic Forum, agenda 2030 etc - who's bothered listening to some of the people we've mentioned on alternative platforms?
The scenario that you outline, the state seizing peoples homes, is total fantasy. You have been reading too many comics
Is that not what has just happened to a handful of the "Russian oligarchs"?
Not really, no.
They had Uk assets frozen / seized. Not really sure that the Irish government are proposing a referendum where the entire population are subjected to sanctions and have their assets seized …
So the state have not siezed anyone's homes then.?
I am not aware of the Irish state seizing homes. And if they did, that would be as a form of sanctions rather than redistribute if homing resources across the population as is being suggested. That isn’t happening. And executing sanctions against oligarchs is a completely different thing.
Note that the in the UK the NCA can, and indeed have, confiscated/seized assets that are the proceeds of crime. That is because there is legislation to enable this but it is tight and, funnily enough, focused on wealth proven the be generated by criminal activity.
Has been happening in Ireland for years. The CAB (criminal assets bureau) is a very successful model, bringing together police and officials from whatever government departments are needed, to form an efficient team that work together ti seize assets. The CAB has been very successful. "Hey I gotta say look what a nice polite discussion we are having on this thread | |||
"Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum. It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not. And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?! That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand! That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice. And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning. Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know. Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy. The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy. The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism. We'll see what happens. " I will try and add my point of view to some of your points. WEF: this is a hot topic among people for good reason, because it begs questions, such as. Why are all the leaders there with the people who have a lot to gain from being in the same room, it doesn't make sense. The bottom line with WEF, it is a networking event. Leaders, businesses, environmentalists and influentials are coming together to discuss their visions and plans. Networking. No cash all digital: This does have repercussions on those who are avoiding tax and breaking laws. Not being able to digitally launder money is a little harder to do. However, if digital only transactions were to be far too oppressive, I'm very confident that payment would be switched swiftly to non digital assets, such as gold. Gold might not work for you and I, but as the US found out in prohibition, you can't simply stop something the people want. Covid vaccine status: In the UK, if you want one you apply for one, don't want one, great. The data is taken from medical records already held and passed back to you, for your use. The government and any party has a legal responsibility to protect that. If they are not, they will be found out, they always do. As for the vaccine status removing choice, that is not exactly right. It prevents people from avoiding a countries medical advice / regulations in a pandemic. This was twisted sharply by people such as Russell Brand, who inferred it was taking away civil liberties at every opportunity. Mr Brand has a sell out show and promoted it hard during Lockdown, he does like a certain type of audience. (there you go a little conspiracy of my own)
These are my views and I really don't expect to change yours, however, my views give me less anxiety, I think | |||
"Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum. It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not. And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?! That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand! That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice. And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning. Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know. Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy. The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy. The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism. We'll see what happens. I will try and add my point of view to some of your points. WEF: this is a hot topic among people for good reason, because it begs questions, such as. Why are all the leaders there with the people who have a lot to gain from being in the same room, it doesn't make sense. The bottom line with WEF, it is a networking event. Leaders, businesses, environmentalists and influentials are coming together to discuss their visions and plans. Networking. No cash all digital: This does have repercussions on those who are avoiding tax and breaking laws. Not being able to digitally launder money is a little harder to do. However, if digital only transactions were to be far too oppressive, I'm very confident that payment would be switched swiftly to non digital assets, such as gold. Gold might not work for you and I, but as the US found out in prohibition, you can't simply stop something the people want. Covid vaccine status: In the UK, if you want one you apply for one, don't want one, great. The data is taken from medical records already held and passed back to you, for your use. The government and any party has a legal responsibility to protect that. If they are not, they will be found out, they always do. As for the vaccine status removing choice, that is not exactly right. It prevents people from avoiding a countries medical advice / regulations in a pandemic. This was twisted sharply by people such as Russell Brand, who inferred it was taking away civil liberties at every opportunity. Mr Brand has a sell out show and promoted it hard during Lockdown, he does like a certain type of audience. (there you go a little conspiracy of my own)
These are my views and I really don't expect to change yours, however, my views give me less anxiety, I think "Militant man of the people, Russell brand, now lives quite near me in … ahem … leafy Henley on Thames. It’s not just us shows that are a massive sellout! | |||
"Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum. It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not. And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?! That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand! That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice. And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning. Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know. Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy. The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy. The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism. We'll see what happens. I will try and add my point of view to some of your points. WEF: this is a hot topic among people for good reason, because it begs questions, such as. Why are all the leaders there with the people who have a lot to gain from being in the same room, it doesn't make sense. The bottom line with WEF, it is a networking event. Leaders, businesses, environmentalists and influentials are coming together to discuss their visions and plans. Networking. No cash all digital: This does have repercussions on those who are avoiding tax and breaking laws. Not being able to digitally launder money is a little harder to do. However, if digital only transactions were to be far too oppressive, I'm very confident that payment would be switched swiftly to non digital assets, such as gold. Gold might not work for you and I, but as the US found out in prohibition, you can't simply stop something the people want. Covid vaccine status: In the UK, if you want one you apply for one, don't want one, great. The data is taken from medical records already held and passed back to you, for your use. The government and any party has a legal responsibility to protect that. If they are not, they will be found out, they always do. As for the vaccine status removing choice, that is not exactly right. It prevents people from avoiding a countries medical advice / regulations in a pandemic. This was twisted sharply by people such as Russell Brand, who inferred it was taking away civil liberties at every opportunity. Mr Brand has a sell out show and promoted it hard during Lockdown, he does like a certain type of audience. (there you go a little conspiracy of my own)
These are my views and I really don't expect to change yours, however, my views give me less anxiety, I think
Militant man of the people, Russell brand, now lives quite near me in … ahem … leafy Henley on Thames. It’s not just us shows that are a massive sellout!
"I knew there was a reason, I preferred Marlow | |||
" And of course you also must know all this as you've done your research too! Away from Google and MSM presumably. Follow the narrative and we’ll have this all wrapped up in two weeks to flatten the curve.
I think the real question is why do people still believe in the nonsense you posted?
Winston
Have you ever noticed that people who decry the “msm” never go on to share their own, apparently better, sources of info?
And in this case, apparently Google can’t be relied upon either! Lol
It does make me chuckle when people decry facts, suggest that "you all" question everything, then parade some half arsed nonsense that clearly demonstrates they've questioned nothing and been hoodwinked by snake oil salesmen and the lunatic fringe.
But somehow, we're the fools. It's quite funny.
Winston
Yeah. No proof, no rigour, no scrutiny, no facts.
Wrap up all respected career journalists as msm and decide to completely ignore their findings and reports. Instead, rely on rumour, conjecture, half-facts, conspiracy and fear.
Funny how you mainstreamers come back with "give me the evidence" when you must be fully aware that according to site ruled, we are not permitted to link alternative media sites - and I don't mean social media Fakebook etc which belongs to one of the members of the elite, just like any other mainstream media outlet, including Google .
You really think mainstream journalists will bite the hands that feeds them?! Do you really think scientists and doctors are going to go against the narrative and bite the hands that feeds them? Only those with integrity and, guess what, they've been austracised by mainstream media and you lot.
There is no "independent" and objective opinion put into mainstream media. When did you hear of anyone advising caution on vaccinating the world population over and over and over with a "vaccine" which doesn't come with at least 10 years of successive data, where one step is taken carefully after another, to allow full effects to be recorded precisely and evaluated accordingly before moving on to the next step - and most certainly before wanting to vaccinate 7 billion people and to top it off, threaten mandates!!! Where the fuck is anyone's common fucking sense?!
I hope and pray that in years to come you won't look back on this forum and say, no shit - universal basic income, digital id, social credit system, cashless society, carbon credits, Smart cities - my privacy is lost, my freedom to move freely is lost, where is national pride (gone with the wind to globalisation!) because it'll be too late.
And it'll be those of you who have complied, complied and complied 10x over while your businesses were shut, your schools were shut, your doctors refused to see you in person (I mean, what the actual fuck?!), while you clapped for the "essential" workers - leaving children, leaving the old, the sick, the lonely to rot in hell.
World Economic Forum, many world leaders, past and present, are members. You will find it on Google too, painted in a pretty picture.
Klaus Schwab: "I own nothing, I will be happy"."The ideology of the occult x a wise fool ^ thank you | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston"I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views. I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is. I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do. I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant. The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan. I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing. @ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!) Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is. I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie. You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future. I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum | |||
"Technological advancements are made for the benefit of the elite, those in power, so they can take more control over Joe Bloggs - not for the little people, obviously. And it's not world leaders in power - they have been infiltrated by the World Economic Forum. Boris, Angela, Trudeau, Biden, just to name a few are members of the World Economic Forum and implementing the strategies as "advised" by the superwealthy Bill Gates's who are also members of said Forum. It's like I described above with the information collected with your Covid passport. It's not just your vaccination or recovery status, is it? Considering the companies who have access to that data (the state, the health department, the finance department, any state you travel to, soon propably on a centralised European system, which can identify your social security number too and all that is contained within that, as well as big tech companies owned by the elite - did you look at the list - Microsoft, Amazon - I mean, WTF?!). Considering that most people probably haven't bothered reading the fine print, having handed over information like your PPS Number (social security number equivalent) is linked to the revenue and social welfare. You just handed over personal data which is protected under EU privacy laws to companies - are these giant corporations trustworthy? If you think so, hey but me thinks not. And this is exactly what the "conspiracy theorist" has been crying out over since Day 1! Globalization, all your data in one place, accessible to the most powerful people and cashless is on its way. Do you really trust that your funds won't be cut off if the next "pandemic" you happen to not agree with the vaccine you're to take?! That's what the digital cert is about. That's what the future digital id is about. Your rights won't matter. That's been clearly shown by some of the most vile and hateful speeches against the non vaxxed by public figures like Trudeau and Mitterand! That's been shown by the Covid cert. It removes choice. And it won't be the end. It's only the beginning. Just my opinion, but the opinion of many others I know. Technology advancements are detrimental to democracy. The removal of cash will be lethal for democracy. The state having the power to reallocate homes will be detrimental to democracy. It is not democratic. It is communism. We'll see what happens. I will try and add my point of view to some of your points. WEF: this is a hot topic among people for good reason, because it begs questions, such as. Why are all the leaders there with the people who have a lot to gain from being in the same room, it doesn't make sense. The bottom line with WEF, it is a networking event. Leaders, businesses, environmentalists and influentials are coming together to discuss their visions and plans. Networking. No cash all digital: This does have repercussions on those who are avoiding tax and breaking laws. Not being able to digitally launder money is a little harder to do. However, if digital only transactions were to be far too oppressive, I'm very confident that payment would be switched swiftly to non digital assets, such as gold. Gold might not work for you and I, but as the US found out in prohibition, you can't simply stop something the people want. Covid vaccine status: In the UK, if you want one you apply for one, don't want one, great. The data is taken from medical records already held and passed back to you, for your use. The government and any party has a legal responsibility to protect that. If they are not, they will be found out, they always do. As for the vaccine status removing choice, that is not exactly right. It prevents people from avoiding a countries medical advice / regulations in a pandemic. This was twisted sharply by people such as Russell Brand, who inferred it was taking away civil liberties at every opportunity. Mr Brand has a sell out show and promoted it hard during Lockdown, he does like a certain type of audience. (there you go a little conspiracy of my own)
These are my views and I really don't expect to change yours, however, my views give me less anxiety, I think "Very trusting in the system
I don't suffer with anxiety but thanks | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum "The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it. This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made. | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made. "Doesn't even pass the sniff test. Logic and common sense this is a daft notion. Winston | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made.
Doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Logic and common sense this is a daft notion.
Winston"It’s incremental whatiffery Starts out with a question about bedrooms in the census, ends up with someone booking the dots and concluding that the people of the country will gladly sign off on a referendum that hands over their property to the government to reallocate. And then get really upset about the stupid conclusion that has been reached. I think some people watch too many movies and read too many comics, and end up believing outlandish fantasies. The tightening up and refining of wording on bills is normal business, so even if there is something ambiguous in an early proposal, it will be fixed. More importantly, what the hell has happened to spring? I was in shorts all last week and it’s bloody Baltic now. | |||
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"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum "Not a pandemic. Bio-weapon. psychological warfare. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public. Just realised it's April 1st. You nearly had me there...... Winston | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made.
Doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Logic and common sense this is a daft notion.
Winston"I think the implicit trust that some seem to have in our govt and leadership is interesting. The notion that logic and / or common sense applies to all decisions and policies they make. That they wouldn't try to schmurgle something through under the cover of something else. I'd have thought the last few years have been a great example that they need closer scrutiny. It's been an interesting thread though and mostly discussed respectfully... Kudos. | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made.
Doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Logic and common sense this is a daft notion.
Winston
I think the implicit trust that some seem to have in our govt and leadership is interesting. The notion that logic and / or common sense applies to all decisions and policies they make. That they wouldn't try to schmurgle something through under the cover of something else. I'd have thought the last few years have been a great example that they need closer scrutiny. It's been an interesting thread though and mostly discussed respectfully... Kudos. "I'm not sure any one person here or elsewhere has that level of confidence or trust in the government. I'm more confident that the majority of people understand we have a process of government, it needs to make changes in the interests of the nation and they will get it wrong, not all the time, some of the time. Until we have a foolproof way of removing human error, it is what it is. As confident as I am in the above, I'm more confident in my observation that a minority of people who no matter the circumstance or evidence put before them, cannot grasp reality. I think this needs a name and I declare it, reality repulsion. | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made.
Doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Logic and common sense this is a daft notion.
Winston
I think the implicit trust that some seem to have in our govt and leadership is interesting. The notion that logic and / or common sense applies to all decisions and policies they make. That they wouldn't try to schmurgle something through under the cover of something else. I'd have thought the last few years have been a great example that they need closer scrutiny. It's been an interesting thread though and mostly discussed respectfully... Kudos.
I'm not sure any one person here or elsewhere has that level of confidence or trust in the government.
I'm more confident that the majority of people understand we have a process of government, it needs to make changes in the interests of the nation and they will get it wrong, not all the time, some of the time. Until we have a foolproof way of removing human error, it is what it is.
As confident as I am in the above, I'm more confident in my observation that a minority of people who no matter the circumstance or evidence put before them, cannot grasp reality.
I think this needs a name and I declare it, reality repulsion. "Trademark it... The name of the next great new video game.. Level up.. | |||
"@ As you say, @ the last few answers on the thread
You think the people who have a different perspective to you haven't looked at the "stuff" you've linked and commented on?
How much of the information and opposite viewpoints have you looked at?
You've been asked many questions here, and answered none.
Winston
I'm possibly more exposed to the discussions and opinions of mainstreamers than you are of people who hold my views.
I'm not sure what questions? I don't hold the answers for the future. I'm merely pointing out my opinion of where I fear we are headed. If or how - ??? I'm neither a big shot in the elite, nor a politician in the know of what the plan is.
I don't believe we had a pandemic, not in the sense many of you do.
I think it was planned, all the measures implemented for what was a bioweapon. Effective treatments were found and not made available to the public in order to push the "vaccine". All encompassed in psychological warfare in order to abolish all our constitutional rights - to move and speak freely and earn a living - to spread fear, make sick and make compliant.
The end game, in my opinion, is digital currency/digital id, universal basic income and a social credit system. I believe that Covid was only the beginning of a grand plan.
I have lost any and all trust in the government and their advisors because of how they handled Covid. It was nothing but lies and deceit, a crime against the nation. That makes me believe anything is possible with the use of fear, propaganda, brainwashing.
@ Birdln (yes, always respectful in debate - thank you!)
Because of how Covid was handled, I do believe that the government will find a way to seize private assets for "appropriate" reallocation with the use of the public sector - police, military if necessary etc (and definitely lots more use of behavioural psychology, coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, fear, lies, coverups) if this referendum gets passed as it is.
I think it's part of the agenda. And with MSM so compliant on reporting pro narrative, they'll cover up lie after lie.
You (mainstreamers) think my views are crazy, extreme. That's ok. I don't actually lose any sleep over it - your opinion on me or the "conspiracy theorist" in general or over what will happen in the future.
I alone can't make changes. I can question and I can raise my concerns, be that through letting every politician and government agency know that I object, by joining like-minded groups, peaceful protest, and by occasionally making myself a target for mockery and abuse on Fab's fabulous virus forum
The situation that you describe is farcical … that the Irish government will table a referendum motion that allows them to take ownership of all private dwellings and reallocate bedrooms as their see fit, that the Irish people will vote in favour of this property grab, and that the implementation bodies (civil service, security forces etc) will then enforce it.
This is far-fetched nonsense. No such proposal is actually being made.
Doesn't even pass the sniff test.
Logic and common sense this is a daft notion.
Winston
I think the implicit trust that some seem to have in our govt and leadership is interesting. The notion that logic and / or common sense applies to all decisions and policies they make. That they wouldn't try to schmurgle something through under the cover of something else. I'd have thought the last few years have been a great example that they need closer scrutiny. It's been an interesting thread though and mostly discussed respectfully... Kudos.
I'm not sure any one person here or elsewhere has that level of confidence or trust in the government.
I'm more confident that the majority of people understand we have a process of government, it needs to make changes in the interests of the nation and they will get it wrong, not all the time, some of the time. Until we have a foolproof way of removing human error, it is what it is.
As confident as I am in the above, I'm more confident in my observation that a minority of people who no matter the circumstance or evidence put before them, cannot grasp reality.
I think this needs a name and I declare it, reality repulsion. "Reality Repulsion...... I like it. It's now officially a "thing".
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"I’ve never seen a thread which took this long to scroll to the bottom. I haven’t even read the posts, but it must hold a record, surely? "It's not maxed yet. And 175 posts is nowhere near the record.....
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"I’ve never seen a thread which took this long to scroll to the bottom. I haven’t even read the posts, but it must hold a record, surely? "It's not a record . And stop calling me surely | |||
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"I’ve never seen a thread which took this long to scroll to the bottom. I haven’t even read the posts, but it must hold a record, surely? "fab quote system | |||
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"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. " | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. "why aren’t all the people that refused dead ? | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. why aren’t all the people that refused dead ? "Because that is not how the vaccine or covid works. The simple fact is that for any age you are statistically more likely to end up in hospital or die from covid if you are unvaccinated. The numbers are not even close. | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure.
why aren’t all the people that refused dead ? "I think a better question is, why 2 years down the line, with more information, more research, more publicity than any other health crisis in our lifetime and more readily available, easily accessible data, how is so many people remain blissfully (or most likely willfully) ignorant about even the most rudimentary facts around Covid. It's truly baffling. Winston | |||
"Has anybody stopped to think what the world would be like if everyone had decided not to get vaccinated? They wouldn't be posting on here for sure. why aren’t all the people that refused dead ? "why isn't everyone who smokes, dead? Why isn't everyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt, dead ? | |||
