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Has the Gov abandoned the science?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?"
No. They're just following the science that suits their own agenda.
They've been consistent in that  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?"
Hopefully but it could be seen as scientism especially when there has been no open debates or discussions between those in the field.
Get well soon.  |
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It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! |
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It is time to try to live with it but think there should be some sort of task force ready to go in case of a large flare up or ups !! just like that bloke obama had planned and even prepared 2 books or rather game plan books in case of another pandemic ?? and the failings of this Government will never ever be truly revealed either be another hillsborough etc etc etc etc  |
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Herd immunity is nearly here going by the numbers of reported positive covid infections over the last 2 years.
The US cdc published a study on Wednesday, it found vaccinated people were 6 times less likely to catch covid than non vaccinated people, it also found that people who have had a previous covid infection were 15 to 29 times less likely to catch the virus.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Timing may have been politically motivated to distract attention away from Boris Johnsons troubles."
Exactly this. Best way to make people stop being pissed off about no. 10 parties is to open the country up so people can have their own parties. |
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It’s hard to say what you mean by follow the science
If you followed the science on cars we would ban them. They pollute and kill people in accidents
The science isn’t always easy to follow, especially when it comes to dropping restrictions
There’s no scientific level of “safe enough”
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"It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! "
If there was a flu outbreak of this size, it should be treated differently to flu at low infection levels of course  . Notwithstanding that flu is predominantly a winter infection, whereas Covid is usually worse in winter but still present in summer, it's obvious that mitigation measures should be in place.
Giving up, at any level of infection is irrational and will hit the population harder than if it's suppressed, before letting it stay within manageable levels. A do nothing approach throws people into the fire, rather than using the fire brigade to take simple steps to save lives instead |
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Doesn’t really matter what they do… they’ll never please everyone.
Some think we should be in a permanent lockdown, army on the streets stopping food off. Others think we should never have been in lockdown or wearing masks. 2 extreme ends of the scale. |
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By *e CapCouple
over a year ago
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Herd immunity or not I believe that wasn’t another option. The vaccines don’t work as we hoped, medication I didn’t hear anything about it, I guess is astronomically expensive. The nature gave us this escape route, Omicron, extremely infectious and mild… let’s get as many people infected before it changes into some other variant which might not be as friendly. Now it’s been proven that natural immunity is better than vaccines, let’s take advantage before the window may close again. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?
No. They're just following the science that suits their own agenda.
They've been consistent in that "
This . |
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"“The science” isn’t one singular view anyway. There are lots of conflicting opinions in science
But you should never trust your government"
I agree on the science but I feel the UK government's can it be trusted maybe not Boris as much or his government. |
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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago
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‘The science’ is a complete fallacy. There is no such singular thing. Put three scientists in a room, you will get seven different opinions. I agree though, the govt has followed the science that suits its agenda at the time. And that agenda has obviously changed |
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"It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! "
Nice one! Just out of interest, where did you get your PHD?
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If there's less test kits available then the numbers reflect that, the government has always erred on the low side compared to the ONS and the covid Zoe app etc..
Gives the PM a political deflection..
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"7th day..
Mrs has just tested negative.
I am still showing as positive.
So much for the 5 days!"
We know someone who is currently at day 10 and still positive, partner was negative after 5 days ..
Just another one of the anomalies with this virus, fingers crossed you get there soon.. |
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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago
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"7th day..
Mrs has just tested negative.
I am still showing as positive.
So much for the 5 days!"
To be fair, no one has said you’ll be fine after 5 days. Just that you can come out of isolation if you are negative after 5 days |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Timing may have been politically motivated to distract attention away from Boris Johnsons troubles.
Exactly this. Best way to make people stop being pissed off about no. 10 parties is to open the country up so people can have their own parties. "
The Coronavirus Act 2020, which was rushed through Parliament within 4 days in March 2020 is due to expire in March 2022. The Act gave the governement the power to temporarily close business and schools, restrict events and gatherings, make people isolate. The Act is currently under review and not everything will be renewed / extended.
Think this is one of the reasons they are lifting restrictions  |
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"It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! "
This |
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"It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! "
No....because it's not flu.
Flu has been around for a long time. It mutates but not into anything too serious. Covid is more destructive on the body including younger people. The Omicron variant is clearly weaker but don't fall for the "a virus gets weaker" idea because that's not always true.
We need to monitor covid. By all means live life normally but take the basic measures to reduce spread. Wash hands and wear a mask in busy confined spaces especially during the winter or when the virus is know to be rising. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hopefully they have abandoned the science to a large degree. The so called science will never tell you it’s safe and ok to mix with people it will only ever tell you the perceived dangers. To be honest i wouldn’t give any credence whatsoever to the utterings of the so called experts who regularly get wheeled out to voice their opinions. Public sector jobsworths who’s livelihoods and careers are in no danger whatsoever. Run, hide; and better not cross the road either. Professional doommongers the lot of them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?"
The science says numbers are dropping and the variant is very mild so yes.
And as for the science modelling they have all been massively wrong and all based on worst case scenarios |
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"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?
The science says numbers are dropping and the variant is very mild so yes.
And as for the science modelling they have all been massively wrong and all based on worst case scenarios"
The science modeling is only as good as the data that goes into it. The modeling for omicron done just as it start presented 18 scenarios from best case to worst case. The press went with mostly the worst case. As it turns out what really happened was only a little worse than the best case scenario. Of course the modeling mostly presents scenarios where no mitigating actions are taken. Which of course never happens. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Hopefully they have abandoned the science to a large degree. The so called science will never tell you it’s safe and ok to mix with people it will only ever tell you the perceived dangers. To be honest i wouldn’t give any credence whatsoever to the utterings of the so called experts who regularly get wheeled out to voice their opinions. Public sector jobsworths who’s livelihoods and careers are in no danger whatsoever. Run, hide; and better not cross the road either. Professional doommongers the lot of them. "
It is not "so called science". It is science, based on the data available.
Don't diminish a thing because you don't understand it.
The "public sector jobsworths" health and those of their families are every bit at risk as yours.
The "doommongers" developed vaccines and got them distributed widely enough to avert the doom.
Go back at look at the graphs of hospital admissions and deaths and then look at how they changed after lockdowns and vaccines were rolled out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’s time to treat it the same as flu, it’s something that’s always going to be around now.
No country in the world has been perfect in dealing with the outbreak, all having failures at some point.
Could things have been done better - of course, but that’s the beauty of hindsight! "
Well said! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I have covid at the moment.. after 6 days I am still positive.
Many people around me also have positive tests but it is harder to get kits or report it.
I get the feeling the Gov need the figures to go down so they look good and people go back to work.
Have the Gov abandoned the science?
The science says numbers are dropping and the variant is very mild so yes.
And as for the science modelling they have all been massively wrong and all based on worst case scenarios"
The science says that overall numbers are falling, but still rising in some areas.
A couple of weeks to have them all levelling off or falling. Where's the harm after having done the hard yards?
Your comment on the modelling has been addressed by another poster and has been explained again and again over the last two years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hopefully they have abandoned the science to a large degree. The so called science will never tell you it’s safe and ok to mix with people it will only ever tell you the perceived dangers. To be honest i wouldn’t give any credence whatsoever to the utterings of the so called experts who regularly get wheeled out to voice their opinions. Public sector jobsworths who’s livelihoods and careers are in no danger whatsoever. Run, hide; and better not cross the road either. Professional doommongers the lot of them.
It is not "so called science". It is science, based on the data available.
Don't diminish a thing because you don't understand it.
The "public sector jobsworths" health and those of their families are every bit at risk as yours.
The "doommongers" developed vaccines and got them distributed widely enough to avert the doom.
Go back at look at the graphs of hospital admissions and deaths and then look at how they changed after lockdowns and vaccines were rolled out."
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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago
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"Hopefully they have abandoned the science to a large degree. The so called science will never tell you it’s safe and ok to mix with people it will only ever tell you the perceived dangers. To be honest i wouldn’t give any credence whatsoever to the utterings of the so called experts who regularly get wheeled out to voice their opinions. Public sector jobsworths who’s livelihoods and careers are in no danger whatsoever. Run, hide; and better not cross the road either. Professional doommongers the lot of them. "
So your strategy would have been to do absolutely nothing different from day one, right?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There’s no such thing as “the science”. Science exists to disprove itself - otherwise you just have dogma.
Especially with COVID - this is a new virus with novel features. Science has been playing catch-up with it since it came out of China.
What we do know, though, is counting cases is also novel. How many get the cold every year? No idea - we don’t count it. How many get gastro? Don’t know. We’re counting how many get a viral respiratory infection and are scared but the figures but there is no comparator.
At some stage we have to go back to normal as society cannot go on in semi-lockdown in perpetuum. That’s the uncomfortable truth for some. Choose to wear a mask forever if that’s what you want to do, but it’s not for everyone. |
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"There’s no such thing as “the science”. Science exists to disprove itself - otherwise you just have dogma.
Especially with COVID - this is a new virus with novel features. Science has been playing catch-up with it since it came out of China.
What we do know, though, is counting cases is also novel. How many get the cold every year? No idea - we don’t count it. How many get gastro? Don’t know. We’re counting how many get a viral respiratory infection and are scared but the figures but there is no comparator.
At some stage we have to go back to normal as society cannot go on in semi-lockdown in perpetuum. That’s the uncomfortable truth for some. Choose to wear a mask forever if that’s what you want to do, but it’s not for everyone. "
Yeah butt, no butt, yeah butt jimmy the knob head who goes with wots her face down the market, i dont know why cuz i seen her out with Julie the fanny licker who only licks fanny, sez you do not understand we need the eggs.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hopefully they have abandoned the science to a large degree. The so called science will never tell you it’s safe and ok to mix with people it will only ever tell you the perceived dangers. To be honest i wouldn’t give any credence whatsoever to the utterings of the so called experts who regularly get wheeled out to voice their opinions. Public sector jobsworths who’s livelihoods and careers are in no danger whatsoever. Run, hide; and better not cross the road either. Professional doommongers the lot of them.
It is not "so called science". It is science, based on the data available.
Don't diminish a thing because you don't understand it.
The "public sector jobsworths" health and those of their families are every bit at risk as yours.
The "doommongers" developed vaccines and got them distributed widely enough to avert the doom.
Go back at look at the graphs of hospital admissions and deaths and then look at how they changed after lockdowns and vaccines were rolled out."
. Difficult to answer when you so completely misunderstand what i’m talking about. I am not talking about the obvious and great success of vaccines. And where does the nonsense about public sector family health come into anything ? Look back at Sage predictions for January deaths. Or that clown at Imperial college. You will find a range of between something like 2800 up to 5000 deaths a day, and why. Because they know full well that if they make wild nonsense predictions like this and restrictions are introduced and they end up being wrong ,as in far fewer deaths, then thats fine. These characters just don’t want to ever risk getting caught out underpredicting deaths. It’s of no concern to these jobsworths that unnecessary doomladen predictions contribute to destroyed jobs, businesses and a wrecked economy. Follow the science. |
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