Whilst this is quite a good video. This guy has in the past often jumped to quick conclusions without much evidence. At least in this video he has at least pointed out the reasons his conclusions may not be right in the end. |
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By *I TwoCouple
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Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
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If those 5.4x people only get a minor cold, and then infect the same amount again until everyone has been exposed and then able to build up immunity to it, surely that is a good thing?
Yes, there will be casualties. But the large majority will survive.
After all, those with adverse reactions to the vaccine were considered to be acceptable collateral damage. |
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"Whilst this is quite a good video. This guy has in the past often jumped to quick conclusions without much evidence. At least in this video he has at least pointed out the reasons his conclusions may not be right in the end."
Hopefully people will see that these videos use credible verified, peer reviewed, non sensationalist data from scientists and university hospitals.
It’s a ray of hope in this somewhat crazy conspiracy anti science world. |
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
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It’s hard when reputable people as well as some of the outright crazies post on you tube. But hopefully you can see the data is verifiable.
I think the key with this is to look at omicron admissions, not overall admissions which include delta and incidental infections. Still it won’t be easy! |
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
It’s hard when reputable people as well as some of the outright crazies post on you tube. But hopefully you can see the data is verifiable.
I think the key with this is to look at omicron admissions, not overall admissions which include delta and incidental infections. Still it won’t be easy! "
Didn't he do a video recently on incidental admissions? Back in November they were at 100%. Last week it was 20% and falling. |
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
If those 5.4x people only get a minor cold, and then infect the same amount again until everyone has been exposed and then able to build up immunity to it, surely that is a good thing?
Yes, there will be casualties. But the large majority will survive.
After all, those with adverse reactions to the vaccine were considered to be acceptable collateral damage."
If those 5.4x with a "mild cold" can't work in the NHS and a smaller percentage than with delta still end up in hospital ?
A small percentage of a huge number may not be less than a higher percentage of a smaller number
Fairly basic stuff though it doesn't really suit some agendas |
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
If those 5.4x people only get a minor cold, and then infect the same amount again until everyone has been exposed and then able to build up immunity to it, surely that is a good thing?
Yes, there will be casualties. But the large majority will survive.
After all, those with adverse reactions to the vaccine were considered to be acceptable collateral damage.
If those 5.4x with a "mild cold" can't work in the NHS and a smaller percentage than with delta still end up in hospital ?
A small percentage of a huge number may not be less than a higher percentage of a smaller number
Fairly basic stuff though it doesn't really suit some agendas"
Saw on the news this morning that Lincolnshire hospitals trust are already declaring an internal state of emergency as they have so many staff off because of covid which leaves one a&e department easily accessible for my mum and also screws a number of important departments that she needed access to for ongoing health conditions |
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"Despite the fact that many of us on fab have as much of an understanding of virus as this guy, it seems that nobody will believe anything unless it's on YouTube lol
Yes the omicron variant does APPEAR to be less fatal, that's only a very small part of the issue.
If hospitalisation rates are 15% less than delta, but infection rates are 5.4 x delta ... I'll leave you to do the maths and see why it's not quite the end yet, especially as the figures are mostly based on the vast majority of people being vaccinated.
If those 5.4x people only get a minor cold, and then infect the same amount again until everyone has been exposed and then able to build up immunity to it, surely that is a good thing?
Yes, there will be casualties. But the large majority will survive.
After all, those with adverse reactions to the vaccine were considered to be acceptable collateral damage.
If those 5.4x with a "mild cold" can't work in the NHS and a smaller percentage than with delta still end up in hospital ?
A small percentage of a huge number may not be less than a higher percentage of a smaller number
Fairly basic stuff though it doesn't really suit some agendas
Saw on the news this morning that Lincolnshire hospitals trust are already declaring an internal state of emergency as they have so many staff off because of covid which leaves one a&e department easily accessible for my mum and also screws a number of important departments that she needed access to for ongoing health conditions"
Just found the link for it this is ITV news but many other sources are available including local news outlets from the area
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-02/covid-hospitals-declare-critical-incident-amid-unprecedented-staff-absences |
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Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021 |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021"
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest. |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest."
It’s truly amazing how long Covid in all age groups has been completely ignored again by the MSN. It’s a neurotrophic virus that causes visible lesions ( lung / brain) even in mild to moderate cases.
Whatever about older age groups- the lack of mitigations to protect children has been truly appalling in this country and they are going back to school again to the same risk.
Case numbers do matter.
The legacy of this may not be seen for many years to come but we will look back at this time in history and ask, should we have done better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3 |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest.
It’s truly amazing how long Covid in all age groups has been completely ignored again by the MSN. It’s a neurotrophic virus that causes visible lesions ( lung / brain) even in mild to moderate cases.
Whatever about older age groups- the lack of mitigations to protect children has been truly appalling in this country and they are going back to school again to the same risk.
Case numbers do matter.
The legacy of this may not be seen for many years to come but we will look back at this time in history and ask, should we have done better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3"
There's been all sorts of craziness throughout.
At various stages we've been told that children don't spread it, pets can't catch it, masks don't work, it was in heavy droplets etc. etc. etc.
And now we wonder why people don't know which information to trust. |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest.
It’s truly amazing how long Covid in all age groups has been completely ignored again by the MSN. It’s a neurotrophic virus that causes visible lesions ( lung / brain) even in mild to moderate cases.
Whatever about older age groups- the lack of mitigations to protect children has been truly appalling in this country and they are going back to school again to the same risk.
Case numbers do matter.
The legacy of this may not be seen for many years to come but we will look back at this time in history and ask, should we have done better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3
There's been all sorts of craziness throughout.
At various stages we've been told that children don't spread it, pets can't catch it, masks don't work, it was in heavy droplets etc. etc. etc.
And now we wonder why people don't know which information to trust."
Neurological changes can take time to be seen by scan but these findings suggest that we need to look at them very seriously indeed and act accordingly |
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By *I TwoCouple
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There's been all sorts of craziness throughout.
At various stages we've been told that children don't spread it, pets can't catch it, masks don't work, it was in heavy droplets etc. etc. etc.
And now we wonder why people don't know which information to trust."
Think of it as a learning exercise in a new disease, not crazy talk |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest.
It’s truly amazing how long Covid in all age groups has been completely ignored again by the MSN. It’s a neurotrophic virus that causes visible lesions ( lung / brain) even in mild to moderate cases.
Whatever about older age groups- the lack of mitigations to protect children has been truly appalling in this country and they are going back to school again to the same risk.
Case numbers do matter.
The legacy of this may not be seen for many years to come but we will look back at this time in history and ask, should we have done better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3"
That's a link to a paper that's not peer-reviewed yet, isn't it?
We should always be open to learning from our prior activities, of course  |
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"Highest hospital admissions are in the 0 - 15 yr demographic.
Deaths in the 45+ range, highest in the 65+ demographic.
Hospitalisation rates in the 5 - 15 demographic are higher now than in Jan 2021
ONS:
The admission rate among those aged 5 to 14 years remains slightly higher than the mid-January peak, at 107% of the rate seen in the week ending 17 January 2021. Despite this, the hospital admission rate in this age group was the lowest.
It’s truly amazing how long Covid in all age groups has been completely ignored again by the MSN. It’s a neurotrophic virus that causes visible lesions ( lung / brain) even in mild to moderate cases.
Whatever about older age groups- the lack of mitigations to protect children has been truly appalling in this country and they are going back to school again to the same risk.
Case numbers do matter.
The legacy of this may not be seen for many years to come but we will look back at this time in history and ask, should we have done better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3
There's been all sorts of craziness throughout.
At various stages we've been told that children don't spread it, pets can't catch it, masks don't work, it was in heavy droplets etc. etc. etc.
And now we wonder why people don't know which information to trust."
Appropriate scientific evidence, that's peer-reviewed, will state the levels of confidence that results indicate. The scientific process is about change and progress. It's normal for things to change, including in medical matters. If people don't trust their leaders, that's a different subject. |
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"Appropriate scientific evidence, that's peer-reviewed, will state the levels of confidence that results indicate. The scientific process is about change and progress. It's normal for things to change, including in medical matters. If people don't trust their leaders, that's a different subject. "
Perhaps. But it's frustrating when science is slow to catch up with common sense and not helped when politicians follow the science that suits. |
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"Appropriate scientific evidence, that's peer-reviewed, will state the levels of confidence that results indicate. The scientific process is about change and progress. It's normal for things to change, including in medical matters. If people don't trust their leaders, that's a different subject.
Perhaps. But it's frustrating when science is slow to catch up with common sense and not helped when politicians follow the science that suits."
Yes it is a pre print. Because it is neurological it will take time to become conclusive eg CTE took a long time to prove it was an occupational risk in certain sports. I would’nt be surprised if Long Covid is added as an occupational risk in some profession’s..
The issue is that there are enough red flags raised here and in other studies to warrant the precautionary principle- worth looking up SARS 1 long term outcomes from Canadian patients ( granted severe disease) but it’s not comforting data. |
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