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Would you meet a un-jabbed person? and why not?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Since anyone can get covid anyway and the spread can go either way"
Personal choice. No i wouldnt. If they can't be bothered to attempt to protect their family and friends however much or how little the risk us of still getting it then we are not interested in meeting. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Would you?????"
If I was vaccinated then of course as long as they look healthy and clean of course
Anyone can catch it so it honestly makes no difference to me, hygience always is a must regardless |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I couldn’t care less about someone’s vaccination status, my only concern is if they are infected or not  "
Exactly the same. Also would not meet anyone who's unwell, whether it's covid or even flu |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would meet with unvaccinated people, as I understand it the vaccination is so that if you catch covid you don't get as ill with it.
Vaccinated or not you can catch, Carry and commute the virus.
If they catch it off me and get really ill or hospitalised that's down to them for not being vaccinated. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Probably not, it's about risk management and I'd rather not increase my risk of having to isolate for 7-10 days.
Unless medically exempt, the kind of people who are unvaccinated are probably not my type of people ie science deniers.
I'm interested in the idea that 'anyone can get covid vaccinated or not', you must know vaccination isn't 100% but significantly reduces the risk of infection? Seat belts don't save everyone from dying in a car crash but I still wear one every time to reduce my risk. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Probably not, it's about risk management and I'd rather not increase my risk of having to isolate for 7-10 days.
Unless medically exempt, the kind of people who are unvaccinated are probably not my type of people ie science deniers.
I'm interested in the idea that 'anyone can get covid vaccinated or not', you must know vaccination isn't 100% but significantly reduces the risk of infection? Seat belts don't save everyone from dying in a car crash but I still wear one every time to reduce my risk. "
That makes no sense. The need to isolate is based on your symptoms , your vax status and your positive result , it’s not affected at all by other people’s vaccination status.
I sometimes despair the level of education and miss information in the adult population of this country |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
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I wouldn’t ask someone their vaccination status or ask for proof of an LFT since people can lie.
Instead I would do all I could do to minimise any risks for exposure.
So yes we would meet with unvaccinated people, as long as they don’t insist on dominating the conversation with controversial topics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes most definitely would meet unvaccinated people, they are still human, and its their choice on what they put in their body."
I wouldn't meet an angry anti vaxxer though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would have no problem meeting unvaxed people got family that haven’t been jabbed we’ve had ours. Got as much chance catching it in a supermarket probably |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That makes no sense. The need to isolate is based on your symptoms , your vax status and your positive result , it’s not affected at all by other people’s vaccination status.
I sometimes despair the level of education and miss information in the adult population of this country "
Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. You are more likely to get symptoms and so isolate if you're frequently having close contact with unvaccinated people as they themselves have a higher risk of developing symptoms.
PS: if we're talking about education, who was Miss Information? Teacher? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes most definitely would meet unvaccinated people, they are still human, and its their choice on what they put in their body.
I wouldn't meet an angry anti vaxxer though. "
I wouldn't meet an angry "unvaxxed should have their rights restricted' pro mandater either
Get it or don't, leave people alone to make their own decisions
All the coward's crying about the danger's and risks of unvaxxed people must run in terror when they see a small child (who would be unvaxxed and capable of carrying and spreading the virus) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes most definitely would meet unvaccinated people, they are still human, and its their choice on what they put in their body.
I wouldn't meet an angry anti vaxxer though.
I wouldn't meet an angry "unvaxxed should have their rights restricted' pro mandater either
Get it or don't, leave people alone to make their own decisions
All the coward's crying about the danger's and risks of unvaxxed people must run in terror when they see a small child (who would be unvaxxed and capable of carrying and spreading the virus)"
Yeah I was going to add that I wouldn't meet an angry vaxxer either. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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That makes no sense. The need to isolate is based on your symptoms , your vax status and your positive result , it’s not affected at all by other people’s vaccination status.
I sometimes despair the level of education and miss information in the adult population of this country
Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. You are more likely to get symptoms and so isolate if you're frequently having close contact with unvaccinated people as they themselves have a higher risk of developing symptoms.
PS: if we're talking about education, who was Miss Information? Teacher?"
Not really though, went to class where majority unvaxxed all year while my mate went to work where all jabbed and all his workmates tested positive, he did as well but didn't actually find it hard to recover |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not really though, went to class where majority unvaxxed all year while my mate went to work where all jabbed and all his workmates tested positive, he did as well but didn't actually find it hard to recover"
Though unlikely I can believe this, over a large population then unlikely things will happen to a small number. What you have to think about is what the most likely outcome from that sort of situation is so you'd say 8 times out of 10 you'd expect the group of workmates to not test positive while people in the class would. Obviously a simplistic example but reduction in transmission as a result of vaccines is best thought about over a large population than small isolated examples. |
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"Probably not, it's about risk management and I'd rather not increase my risk of having to isolate for 7-10 days.
Unless medically exempt, the kind of people who are unvaccinated are probably not my type of people ie science deniers.
I'm interested in the idea that 'anyone can get covid vaccinated or not', you must know vaccination isn't 100% but significantly reduces the risk of infection? Seat belts don't save everyone from dying in a car crash but I still wear one every time to reduce my risk. "
This, vaccination doesn’t eliminate the risk of transmission but it does reduce it |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
At the moment the answer is no…
Because I have a blood disorder that leaves me slightly immunocompromised, those that are unvaccinated have a higher chance of passing it on than those that are vaccinated… and because (touch wood) I have not had it yet, I don’t know how my body is going to cope with it…
I may feel differently about it if and when I get it…
Until then I do still ask people to do a lat flow test… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Even though the vaccinated can still contract and spread the virus. 
We can, but we have taken the reasonable and available steps to reduce the chance that we will. "
We will happily meet anyone in society regardless of their medical status… discrimination is wrong at so many levels including vaccinated or vaccines free… it’s a free world to choose and also no one is forcing anyone to meet anyone type thing so there will never be a problem, if you feel the need to know someone’s vaccine status then maybe we all then should never breath another breathe of air around us our entire lives… or when during the period that there was no vaccines available we still went out to do essential shopping etc where we all put ourselves at risk each and every day in life !
Stay strong! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not really though, went to class where majority unvaxxed all year while my mate went to work where all jabbed and all his workmates tested positive, he did as well but didn't actually find it hard to recover
Though unlikely I can believe this, over a large population then unlikely things will happen to a small
number. What you have to think about is what the most likely outcome from that sort of situation is so you'd say 8 times out of 10 you'd expect the group of
workmates to not test positive while people in the class would. Obviously a simplistic example but reduction in transmission as a result of vaccines is best thought about over a large population than small isolated examples."
Unfortunately vaccines don’t stop or even limit transmission they simply limit symptoms hence the reason why booster vaccines are required !
Stay strong man ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’d be more concerned meeting someone that has pumped their body full of this vaccine with no real data on long term safety and the effects on their immune system.
Plus it would put me off also because of their height and mighty pompous attitude towards unvaxxed.
A massive turn off  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Vaxx doesnt seem to stop spread so what's the point in the question. The people who believe that the unvaxxed are the problem have let themselves be manipulated by basic psychological tactics used by the media and govt. Only thing this whole thing is doing is boosting the share profits of fatcat politicians while we all bicker about stupid stuff. |
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By *ohoMan
over a year ago
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"Vaxx doesnt seem to stop spread so what's the point in the question. The people who believe that the unvaxxed are the problem have let themselves be manipulated by basic psychological tactics used by the media and govt. Only thing this whole thing is doing is boosting the share profits of fatcat politicians while we all bicker about stupid stuff. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them"
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum. |
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Probably not as I think there's a social responsibility, without vaccination all sorts of other disease would still be rampant (smallpox, diphtheria, tb etc). If there's a genuine medical reason why not fair enough but they are rare. |
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A vaccine is given to help the immune system fight off a virus it might encounter and the efficacy of the vaccine drops over time so if you do not catch the virus within a given period of time boosters will be required until you get natural immunity from catching the virus.
And no need for a vaccine for a virus you have natural immunity against. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum. "
More misinformation
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum. "
Perfectly put |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
More misinformation
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How is this misinformation? I hope Fabs does ask for people to post their vaccination status on the site. That would make it easier to block people like this....
Imagine a meet with someone making a comment like this......the conversation wouldn't be stimulating at all.
It would be like someone going on a date and all you would hear is 'ME, ME, ME'
What a huge turn off |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"Since anyone can get covid anyway and the spread can go either way"
I'd be more concerned if they had an sti because I'm vaccinated but I'm still in a position to think about another I could have the virus but my body has acted as a defence so probably no I wouldn't because I care about others and have a conscience |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately vaccines don’t stop or even limit transmission they simply limit symptoms hence the reason why booster vaccines are required !
Stay strong man ! "
Unfortunately this is completely untrue. Both two doses of the original vaccine and the additional booster reduce likelihood of infection and thus reduce transmission. Even if the vaccines had no effect on infection they would still have an effect on transmission due to lowering viral load of the infected. Hope that helps  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’d be more concerned meeting someone that has pumped their body full of this vaccine with no real data on long term safety and the effects on their immune system.
Plus it would put me off also because of their height and mighty pompous attitude towards unvaxxed.
A massive turn off "
How long is long enough for long term safety data? Many of the things we use in day to day life including medical treatment have been developed in the last ten years. Luckily with things designed to stimulate the immune system the most serious side effects occur fastest, as the immune system is built for speed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
More misinformation
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You need to switch off the news, start reading publications from PHS,PHE, the BMJ, the Lancet, and not just blindly swallowing the TV tales |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum. "
Again I'd say how long is long enough for safety data, 10 years? You could have caught whatever virus you don't want to be vaccinated against and be dead by then.
Side effects are well documented and free for anyone to see, they're also listed in the vaccination leaflet along with their likelihood though all side effects beyond ones that can be treated with paracetamol are extremely rare.
Absolutely agree that it's down to personal choice but it's important to recognise that unvaccinated people pose a greater risk to both an individual and to the health service and so choices should be made in accordance with that fact.
Not sure anyone has said boosters will be needed every 10 weeks, simply that protection wanes slightly over that time scale. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would rather meet an unvaccinated person, more likely to get symptoms and test themselves, then isolate if required."
Interestingly studies have found unvaccinated people are less likely to test due to suspicion around the virus, government and science in general. |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
COVID-19 is similar to a flu virus which attacks the breathing apparatus and gets clogged up causing difficulty to breathe which is similar to people who smoke causing blocked arteries anyone can try to prove me wrong and do their best but it's common knowledge not science and understanding by a history before medication that herbal usage was used you wouldn't have a market like the pharmaceutical companies whom saw a opportunity to make money from not everyone relies on them as you have home made remedies which Go back in history before most of us were born and still used correctly as to much can make you unwell  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rather meet an unvaccinated person, more likely to get symptoms and test themselves, then isolate if required.
Interestingly studies have found unvaccinated people are less likely to test due to suspicion around the virus, government and science in general."
Why am I not surprised by this I'm not jabbed, but still test myself as I know the virus is real! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
Again I'd say how long is long enough for safety data, 10 years? You could have caught whatever virus you don't want to be vaccinated against and be dead by then.
Side effects are well documented and free for anyone to see, they're also listed in the vaccination leaflet along with their likelihood though all side effects beyond ones that can be treated with paracetamol are extremely rare.
Absolutely agree that it's down to personal choice but it's important to recognise that unvaccinated people pose a greater risk to both an individual and to the health service and so choices should be made in accordance with that fact.
Not sure anyone has said boosters will be needed every 10 weeks, simply that protection wanes slightly over that time scale."
Complete misinformation here. You're not on the take from Big pharma are you?
Unvaccinated do not pose a greater risk to individuals and the health service.
You can just as easily catch the virus from a vaxxed person. That is documented.
Also the health service has just as much or if not more vaxxed people in than unvaxxed.
But you may think the opposite, because if you are only single vaxxed or double vaxxed, you are classed as being UN VAXXED. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Why am I not surprised by this I'm not jabbed, but still test myself as I know the virus is real!"
That's great that you're still doing your bit, unfortunately you're in the minority  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would rather meet an unvaccinated person, more likely to get symptoms and test themselves, then isolate if required.
Interestingly studies have found unvaccinated people are less likely to test due to suspicion around the virus, government and science in general."
On the other hand, research has shown also that vaccinated are less likely to test themselves because they think they are protected so don't feel the need to test. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
More misinformation
You need to switch off the news, start reading publications from PHS,PHE, the BMJ, the Lancet, and not just blindly swallowing the TV tales"
I prefer talking to the people who actually do the tests in the labs thanks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On the other hand, research has shown also that vaccinated are less likely to test themselves because they think they are protected so don't feel the need to test."
Perhaps vaccinated people test less once they've had a vaccine but there are several research pieces showing that (after offered vaccination) vaccinated people test more frequently compared to unvaccinated people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I prefer talking to the people who actually do the tests in the labs thanks. "
You are talking to them, I started doing it in the summer for some extra cash |
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"Makes you laugh won’t meet unvaccinated but has BB on their profiles"
With a statement like this, we must presume that you know the statistical risk of getting covid (let's assume omicron) vs getting hiv these days? |
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"Since anyone can get covid anyway and the spread can go either way
Personal choice. No i wouldnt. If they can't be bothered to attempt to protect their family and friends however much or how little the risk us of still getting it then we are not interested in meeting. "
Totally agree |
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Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated. |
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated. "
I read somewhere 40% of people in Bristol have had no vaccinations and have no intention of having any at all |
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It would depend. Vaccines got our country out of lockdown's severe restrictions and I'd be concerned about the psychology of someone who has an antivax opinion of the Covid vaccines that have helped then so much. |
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated. "
Then why are both Gibraltar and Israel (98% vaxxed) still got COVID and preparing for 4th jab.
I'm pro personal choice and body autonomy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One thing we don't understand is the generalisation of opinions a lot of people have for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Each and everyone of of us has a different opinion, most probably based on the lives we live, the family and friends we have, where we and them work and the things we have all seen and heard about the virus over the last 20 months.
No-one is right and no-one is wrong for making the decision they have as the decision they have made has been based on personal circumstances.
Think it's time people took a step back and realised the divide this whole situation is creating and the relationships it is destroying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One thing we don't understand is the generalisation of opinions a lot of people have for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Each and everyone of of us has a different opinion, most probably based on the lives we live, the family and friends we have, where we and them work and the things we have all seen and heard about the virus over the last 20 months.
No-one is right and no-one is wrong for making the decision they have as the decision they have made has been based on personal circumstances.
Think it's time people took a step back and realised the divide this whole situation is creating and the relationships it is destroying. "
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Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
Again I'd say how long is long enough for safety data, 10 years? You could have caught whatever virus you don't want to be vaccinated against and be dead by then.
Side effects are well documented and free for anyone to see, they're also listed in the vaccination leaflet along with their likelihood though all side effects beyond ones that can be treated with paracetamol are extremely rare.
Absolutely agree that it's down to personal choice but it's important to recognise that unvaccinated people pose a greater risk to both an individual and to the health service and so choices should be made in accordance with that fact.
Not sure anyone has said boosters will be needed every 10 weeks, simply that protection wanes slightly over that time scale.
Complete misinformation here. You're not on the take from Big pharma are you?
Unvaccinated do not pose a greater risk to individuals and the health service.
You can just as easily catch the virus from a vaxxed person. That is documented.
Also the health service has just as much or if not more vaxxed people in than unvaxxed.
But you may think the opposite, because if you are only single vaxxed or double vaxxed, you are classed as being UN VAXXED."
The misinformation is in your post. It appears that you have not researched or understood the credible evidence much, if at all.  . Of course those who are not completely unvaccinated are a significantly greater risk to othersm
Including making our health service stay avoidably overwhelmed, putting others in greater danger. Some of them don't even care, it's very obvious and clear. |
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over a year ago
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Some people get seriously ill from catching covid, whilst some are completely fine (vaccinated or not).
Most people are completely fine from their vaccinations, whilst some have complications.
All can catch and possibly spread covid.
So I don't see why 'some' people are so extreme in their views on vaccinations.
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"One thing we don't understand is the generalisation of opinions a lot of people have for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Each and everyone of of us has a different opinion, most probably based on the lives we live, the family and friends we have, where we and them work and the things we have all seen and heard about the virus over the last 20 months.
No-one is right and no-one is wrong for making the decision they have as the decision they have made has been based on personal circumstances.
Think it's time people took a step back and realised the divide this whole situation is creating and the relationships it is destroying. "
It's a really positive outlook, and I respect you for you positive input, but unfortunately I'd have to disagree. I think it's clear that people are making decisions based on unscientific reasons. These are, and will continue to affect the livelihood of everyone else. Those of you who refuse to get vaccinated, please block us. Those of you who believe in science, drop us a line! We could have fun soon! |
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over a year ago
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Then why are both Gibraltar and Israel (98% vaxxed) still got COVID and preparing for 4th jab.
I'm pro personal choice and body autonomy."
While the virus settles into an endemic state there can still be big differences between the new variants requiring additional doses or even new vaccines to keep population protection high. There's still lots of people you really don't want to get covid (as it risks overwhelming the health service if they all get it at a similar time) so widespread population vaccination is the best current policy that involves the least harm. Personal choice and body autonomy are fine, I think people should be allowed to smoke, but it's important to realise that by smoking or being unvaccinated you're putting greater burden on the health service and smokers even pay more tax to make up for this! |
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It's a really positive outlook, and I respect you for you positive input, but unfortunately I'd have to disagree. I think it's clear that people are making decisions based on unscientific reasons. These are, and will continue to affect the livelihood of everyone else. Those of you who refuse to get vaccinated, please block us. Those of you who believe in science, drop us a line! We could have fun soon!"
100% agree, everyone's entitled to freedom of expression but it's important to realise areas that are subjective and opinion based and areas that are objective and fact based. The facts are that being unvaccinated means you are at greater risk of being infected, transmitting to others, being hospitalised and dying. |
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"Some people get seriously ill from catching covid, whilst some are completely fine (vaccinated or not).
Most people are completely fine from their vaccinations, whilst some have complications.
All can catch and possibly spread covid.
So I don't see why 'some' people are so extreme in their views on vaccinations.
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I agree people should avoid being extreme, but far fewer people have complications from the vaccine compared to those that get seriously ill with covid. Similarly both groups can catch and spread the virus, but the rate of that occuring is significantly lower in the vaccinated cohort. Context is always important. |
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated. "
Misinformation. There is data showing that the mutations are coming from vaccinated. |
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It's a really positive outlook, and I respect you for you positive input, but unfortunately I'd have to disagree. I think it's clear that people are making decisions based on unscientific reasons. These are, and will continue to affect the livelihood of everyone else. Those of you who refuse to get vaccinated, please block us. Those of you who believe in science, drop us a line! We could have fun soon!
100% agree, everyone's entitled to freedom of expression but it's important to realise areas that are subjective and opinion based and areas that are objective and fact based. The facts are that being unvaccinated means you are at greater risk of being infected, transmitting to others, being hospitalised and dying."
Not quite correct.
If you are unvaccinated and are in a certain age group or have pre existing health issues then you are more at risk. The mass majority are fine.
It is the same for the vaccinated who are of a certain age group and have health issues who die compared to those with no issues and younger age that are fine.
So it is pretty similar to being unvaccinated or being vaccinated.
You have to look at recent events...a cruise ship with all vaccinated passengers has an outbreak. Also a us navy warship. All vaccinated and an outbreak on board.
Both can pass the virus on and both can die.
Most unvaccinated have tested positive, had the virus and recovered, therefore having a level of natural immunity.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Since anyone can get covid anyway and the spread can go either way
Personal choice. No i wouldnt. If they can't be bothered to attempt to protect their family and friends however much or how little the risk us of still getting it then we are not interested in meeting. "
How does one person being jabbed protect their family? |
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"One thing we don't understand is the generalisation of opinions a lot of people have for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
Each and everyone of of us has a different opinion, most probably based on the lives we live, the family and friends we have, where we and them work and the things we have all seen and heard about the virus over the last 20 months.
No-one is right and no-one is wrong for making the decision they have as the decision they have made has been based on personal circumstances.
Think it's time people took a step back and realised the divide this whole situation is creating and the relationships it is destroying.
It's a really positive outlook, and I respect you for you positive input, but unfortunately I'd have to disagree. I think it's clear that people are making decisions based on unscientific reasons. These are, and will continue to affect the livelihood of everyone else. Those of you who refuse to get vaccinated, please block us. Those of you who believe in science, drop us a line! We could have fun soon!"
Not everything in life is just black and white but do respect that you can have your own opinions  |
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"No because I don't understand the mind set of someone who has refused to have them
Quite simple really. Long term data isn't there. Its in trials, being used under emergency authorisation. There are documented side effects on VAERS and yellow card reporting system, many people have already had the virus and built up natural immunity. The list is endless really. It comes down to choice. Having a government force you into a medical treatment by coercion and manipulation is wrong. And they're now telling us that boosters will be required every 8 to 10 weeks. Doesn't feel like it's working as described in November 2020 if you need to do this ad finitum.
More misinformation
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I have to disagree on this. There is actually evidence and all legit so all true |
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated.
Then why are both Gibraltar and Israel (98% vaxxed) still got COVID and preparing for 4th jab.
I'm pro personal choice and body autonomy."
Exactly, jabbing the population did not really get us out of lockdown especially since we might get one anyday soon.
Exactly, Gibraltar, South Korea, China, Wales, Scotland, Israel, etc...
All coming out worse then massivelly unjabbed Africa (Africa as a continent, not South Africa as a county) |
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It's a really positive outlook, and I respect you for you positive input, but unfortunately I'd have to disagree. I think it's clear that people are making decisions based on unscientific reasons. These are, and will continue to affect the livelihood of everyone else. Those of you who refuse to get vaccinated, please block us. Those of you who believe in science, drop us a line! We could have fun soon!
100% agree, everyone's entitled to freedom of expression but it's important to realise areas that are subjective and opinion based and areas that are objective and fact based. The facts are that being unvaccinated means you are at greater risk of being infected, transmitting to others, being hospitalised and dying.
Not quite correct.
If you are unvaccinated and are in a certain age group or have pre existing health issues then you are more at risk. The mass majority are fine.
It is the same for the vaccinated who are of a certain age group and have health issues who die compared to those with no issues and younger age that are fine.
So it is pretty similar to being unvaccinated or being vaccinated.
You have to look at recent events...a cruise ship with all vaccinated passengers has an outbreak. Also a us navy warship. All vaccinated and an outbreak on board.
Both can pass the virus on and both can die.
Most unvaccinated have tested positive, had the virus and recovered, therefore having a level of natural immunity.
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Sorry, I'm not fully getting your points:
1. First point I'm not clear. Are you saying those in some age groups with pre existing health issues are just as safe without a vaccine? You suggest they are are just as safe without a vaccine? Would like to know the data/source.
2. Second point, really not sure what group you are referring to. Can you state a data source?
3. Cruise ships and naval vessels, I go go back to my previous points: how many fatalities and what does science say about this increasing the chance of new variants?
Thanks for your input though. |
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Not quite correct.
If you are unvaccinated and are in a certain age group or have pre existing health issues then you are more at risk. The mass majority are fine.
It is the same for the vaccinated who are of a certain age group and have health issues who die compared to those with no issues and younger age that are fine.
So it is pretty similar to being unvaccinated or being vaccinated.
You have to look at recent events...a cruise ship with all vaccinated passengers has an outbreak. Also a us navy warship. All vaccinated and an outbreak on board.
Both can pass the virus on and both can die.
Most unvaccinated have tested positive, had the virus and recovered, therefore having a level of natural immunity.
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Not quite sure what you mean? When you look at vaccine efficacy you take into account age and risk differences to get the answer, the vaccine reduces infection, serious illness and deaths across all groups. Definitely not similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated otherwise we'd be in a January 2021 situation again.
Cruise ship and naval outbreaks will happen but they're newsworthy because they're rare. Small sample sizes mean you cannot draw conclusions.
It may be true most unvaccinated people have acquired natural immunity (I am not sure if this is true or not) but worth remembering that came at a cost of over 120,000 deaths, pick which way you want to acquire immunity. |
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Exactly, jabbing the population did not really get us out of lockdown especially since we might get one anyday soon.
Exactly, Gibraltar, South Korea, China, Wales, Scotland, Israel, etc...
All coming out worse then massivelly unjabbed Africa (Africa as a continent, not South Africa as a county)"
But it did get us out of lockdown? There is no lockdown now and hasn't been over the summer despite 50k+ cases per day.
Africa has had huge numbers of excess deaths (greater than Europe in most countries) despite having significantly lower average ages (which should reduce number of serious cases). |
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"If we keep going like this,next thing you be mandated to put your vax status on fab profile soon, "
And of course no one would tell fibs like they do about marital status or being straight lol |
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Yes, I would. I wouldn't mind meeting people "with covid" either. We don't test so I'd fathom a guess if we met anyone currently then someone will have covid - whether it's either or us, them or close family members.
(Please divert your hate elsewhere ) |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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I wouldn't know if the person I'm meeting as been vaccinated or not unless they mention it.
I never ask, the same as if I was going to a pub or supermarket. I wouldn't ask all the other customers if they were vaccinated before I went in. |
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By what percentage are you less likely to catch it after being jabbed.?"
For a booster with Omicron it's 70-75% protection, for 2 jabs it's around 30%. |
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By *edheadjMan
over a year ago
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It would be a no from us. If you're not willing to protect others, we're on a different wavelength.
Someone contacted us the other day and then kicked off when we asked if they wouldn't mind doing a lateral flow before meeting us. |
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By what percentage are you less likely to catch it after being jabbed.?
For a booster with Omicron it's 70-75% protection, for 2 jabs it's around 30%."
Starting from what baseline?
Is that across all age groups? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated.
Then why are both Gibraltar and Israel (98% vaxxed) still got COVID and preparing for 4th jab.
I'm pro personal choice and body autonomy."
Re: the Israel 4th jab thing going around…. You might want to use the word “context”
The 4th jab in Israel is ONLY being offered to those over 80, and those that are severely immunocompromised….
Last time I checked those were the 2 most valuable groups……. |
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By *elandvicCouple
over a year ago
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"Do people not get that the fact that we have so many people unvaccinated means the chance of getting new variants (like omicron) has increased, which has fucked up so many people's Christmases? The best way to beat this shit is to get the most people vaccinated.
Then why are both Gibraltar and Israel (98% vaxxed) still got COVID and preparing for 4th jab.
I'm pro personal choice and body autonomy.
Re: the Israel 4th jab thing going around…. You might want to use the word “context”
The 4th jab in Israel is ONLY being offered to those over 80, and those that are severely immunocompromised….
Last time I checked those were the 2 most valuable groups……."
Thats what happened here in the uk, the elderly and ppl at risk were to be offered vaccines. Then it went to different age groups, then the kids! |
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Starting from what baseline?
Is that across all age groups?"
The baseline would be an unvaccinated person so your risk of infection is reduced by 70-75% compared to them. For an immune naive (ie never infected) unvaccinated person the risk would be even greater. It is normalised across all age groups yes. |
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I'd meet jabbed and unjabbed because I wouldn't ask about their private medical history, Id they asked me if I've been vaccinated I'd say it's personal, but without being asked I'd personally take a lft within the hour of meeting but I wouldn't ask them to.
There are many places in the world that you'd need a vaccine to travel to, would anyone ask the person sat next to them if they've had their jabbs or are they exempt |
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