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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland… where they are tightening restrictions right after Xmas…..
Or… those rebellious tories in England when have said “nothing now, continue as you are!”
P.s the earliest the tories in England can now do any if it goes horribly tits up now in England would be by law would be dec 30th.. as the earliest sitting day if parliament was recalled would be the 29th…
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Fabio you owe me 50 quid "
Actually I think you actually said was “ there would not be a million covid positive case in the next 3 months!”
That was 2 weeks ago……
Average cases of covid in the last 2 weeks have been 75,000 per day……
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over a year ago
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"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day "
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
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"The administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland… where they are tightening restrictions right after Xmas…..
Or… those rebellious tories in England when have said “nothing now, continue as you are!”
P.s the earliest the tories in England can now do any if it goes horribly tits up now in England would be by law would be dec 30th.. as the earliest sitting day if parliament was recalled would be the 29th…
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I'd say England has it right but time will tell and hindsight is a wonderful thing. A balance has to be struck taking into account the economy, people's mental health, other disease treatment and so on. So yes, the Prime Minister has tonight confirmed there will not be any further coronavirus restrictions put in place in England before Christmas.
In this video message broadcast earlier this evening, Boris Johnson said despite a surge in Covid-19 cases in the UK fuelled by the new Omicron variant there is “continuing uncertainty” about how it will affect people.
“We don’t think today that there is enough evidence to justify any tougher measures before Christmas,” he added.
This is a decision. One may not like it, but a decision it is. The BBC and Sky keep saying he is 'dithering' but a decision to do no more is still a decision.
If things change, I believe Parliament could even be recalled on Christmas day if necessary.
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
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It will slow down eventually…lol remember that the 2 most infectious cities at the moment are London and Manchester… so where it will slow down there soon, places like the south west and the north east where it’s hasn’t really kicked off on yet it will…
Basically you are going to see a huge rise really quickly because of the R rate… a short peak, then a very quick drop off on the other side……
Other problems is because basically everyone is getting omicron at the same time, the pressure it could put on the NHS just be sheer numbers along could be frightening…
Remember there is always a lag between infections and hospitalisations… and then ICU spikes.. and then unfortunately deaths… |
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"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
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Indeed, if the modelling is correct, everyone should prepare to encounter Omicron shortly. Plenty of sleep, booster jab, vitamin D, zinc and decent diet /exercise can all help but only the strictest personal lockdown would avoid it. If this is your preferred option, do you need the nanny state to back it up with legislative force? Rhetorical question. |
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"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
It will slow down eventually…lol remember that the 2 most infectious cities at the moment are London and Manchester… so where it will slow down there soon, places like the south west and the north east where it’s hasn’t really kicked off on yet it will…
Basically you are going to see a huge rise really quickly because of the R rate… a short peak, then a very quick drop off on the other side……
Other problems is because basically everyone is getting omicron at the same time, the pressure it could put on the NHS just be sheer numbers along could be frightening…
Remember there is always a lag between infections and hospitalisations… and then ICU spikes.. and then unfortunately deaths…"
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Nicky Queen of Scots has cancelled NYE and says 'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'. But apparently you can kill anyone you like over Christmas.
So you could say that What Nicky is saying is a total Messianic 'oh look at me, I'm saving the people' - well from the 27th she is lol. Before that date, not so much.
She doesn't want to be the Politician that ruined Christmas after all.
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"Nicky Queen of Scots has cancelled NYE and says 'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'. But apparently you can kill anyone you like over Christmas.
So you could say that What Nicky is saying is a total Messianic 'oh look at me, I'm saving the people' - well from the 27th she is lol. Before that date, not so much.
She doesn't want to be the Politician that ruined Christmas after all.
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To see this logic through, all events of whatever nature ever need to be cancelled for ever and eternity. All football matches, pop concerts, aeroplane journeys, in fact any event in which anyone has ever been killed.
No more car journeys, rail trips, fairgrounds, protests, exhibitions, theatre events.
No events = no deaths
'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'
Thank God for Kranky. The first politician to invent the elimination of risk. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Nicky Queen of Scots has cancelled NYE and says 'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'. But apparently you can kill anyone you like over Christmas.
So you could say that What Nicky is saying is a total Messianic 'oh look at me, I'm saving the people' - well from the 27th she is lol. Before that date, not so much.
She doesn't want to be the Politician that ruined Christmas after all.
To see this logic through, all events of whatever nature ever need to be cancelled for ever and eternity. All football matches, pop concerts, aeroplane journeys, in fact any event in which anyone has ever been killed.
No more car journeys, rail trips, fairgrounds, protests, exhibitions, theatre events.
No events = no deaths
'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'
Thank God for Kranky. The first politician to invent the elimination of risk. "
But not risking her position by cancelling Christmas.  |
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"Number of people in hospital now with covid still lower than a peak in November and despite a massive surge in infections from the beginning of November.
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There is a lag between infections and hospitalisations and then a lag between hospitalisations and deaths. Also omicron is only starting to hit the older generations the over 40s. It's these people that we will see the increase in hospitalisations with. We won't know until enough data is in and that is probably at least 10 days away. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Number of people in hospital now with covid still lower than a peak in November and despite a massive surge in infections from the beginning of November.
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That's not the only issue to be concerned about.
NHS staff are getting infected and having to stay off work thus the service is getting stretched all directions. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Right now only time will tell if one way or another was right. It does raise a question around NYE parties, if they are to go ahead in England, the inevitable rise in covid numbers could be a valid reason for restrictions to be introduced in England. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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Everyone has been offered a double jab and the booster rollout is going very well so i see no reason why the government should impose anymore restrictions on people.
After nearly 2 years im sure the public now know how to reduce the chances of death to themselves and others and dont need a government to do it for them. |
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"Number of people in hospital now with covid still lower than a peak in November and despite a massive surge in infections from the beginning of November.
That's not the only issue to be concerned about.
NHS staff are getting infected and having to stay off work thus the service is getting stretched all directions."
It's not only the NHS, other blue light services are facing the same, doesn't bode well.. |
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Still some confusion and things that don’t really make sense same as all the other lockdowns really.Take the football as a example swansea and Cardiff have to play behind closed doors but the fans can still travel to away games ,that seems pretty pointless to me and defeats the object  .. |
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"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
Indeed, if the modelling is correct, everyone should prepare to encounter Omicron shortly. Plenty of sleep, booster jab, vitamin D, zinc and decent diet /exercise can all help but only the strictest personal lockdown would avoid it. If this is your preferred option, do you need the nanny state to back it up with legislative force? Rhetorical question. "
Not as a challenge to your post but… the omicron variant…. How is this measured as a number of infections? For every pcr test (which I presume the current reported infections are, not reported LFT tests… labs are also processing further so they can identify each samples variant?
The methods and time taken by the scientists who identify a new strain seems quite labour and time intensive…. Surely the figures for omicron are accurate, not guessed or fudged or all clumped in as the ‘new variant’ to create a story? |
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"Nicky Queen of Scots has cancelled NYE and says 'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'. But apparently you can kill anyone you like over Christmas.
So you could say that What Nicky is saying is a total Messianic 'oh look at me, I'm saving the people' - well from the 27th she is lol. Before that date, not so much.
She doesn't want to be the Politician that ruined Christmas after all.
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If one cancelled event saves one life, it's worth it.
Apart from those that die of flu. That's always happened so fuck those guys |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
Indeed, if the modelling is correct, everyone should prepare to encounter Omicron shortly. Plenty of sleep, booster jab, vitamin D, zinc and decent diet /exercise can all help but only the strictest personal lockdown would avoid it. If this is your preferred option, do you need the nanny state to back it up with legislative force? Rhetorical question.
Not as a challenge to your post but… the omicron variant…. How is this measured as a number of infections? For every pcr test (which I presume the current reported infections are, not reported LFT tests… labs are also processing further so they can identify each samples variant?
The methods and time taken by the scientists who identify a new strain seems quite labour and time intensive…. Surely the figures for omicron are accurate, not guessed or fudged or all clumped in as the ‘new variant’ to create a story? "
It's picked up as being a slight different result using the same pcr test without getting too technical |
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3 vaccines in, break in the link between infection and hospitalisation , hospitalisations here not increasing, Boris and the politics taking centre stage …..
Time to continue with the ‘learning to live with covid’ mantra.
If we don’t, what’s the point of all these vaccines and boosters?
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"3 vaccines in, break in the link between infection and hospitalisation , hospitalisations here not increasing, Boris and the politics taking centre stage …..
Time to continue with the ‘learning to live with covid’ mantra.
If we don’t, what’s the point of all these vaccines and boosters?
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Funny enough there were some preliminary figures for the difference in rates by the CDC for New York City since they are the furthest ahead… I’ll see if I can find them… |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland… where they are tightening restrictions right after Xmas…..
Or… those rebellious tories in England when have said “nothing now, continue as you are!”
P.s the earliest the tories in England can now do any if it goes horribly tits up now in England would be by law would be dec 30th.. as the earliest sitting day if parliament was recalled would be the 29th…
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Why after Xmas, Why not now instead? Are they expecting the virus to take a Christmas break. Maybe none have it right |
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I think we have it right at this time In the uk … after three two weeks of omicron in the uk we are not seeing much of an increase in hospitalisations and the deaths are still dropping on a week by week basis. None of this shows a reason to up the restrictions here. It’s a gamble yes, but the odds seem good now.
End of the day the government are damned if they do damned if they don’t. |
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I will put a pony on it all the neighbouring nation governments are wishing on a shit load of snow to fall and then some low life to stab all the gritters tyres and lock us all down that way. Heay heay  |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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From watching the news earlier where they were talking to a Dr at a Hospital, the main concern is staffing levels. If NHS gets inundated with intake of folk, and their staffing levels are low because of folk being off sick due to the virus, and if in the meantime someone needs an ambulance or is brought to a&e then there may not be the staff to see them as quickly.
Case in point, a work colleague of mine last week , husband was thought to be having a heart attack. She dialled 999, was informed there was a 2 hour wait for an ambulance. Work colleague said stuff that and drove her husband to the Hospital herself, within 30 minutes he was rushed to Theatre. If they’d waited 2 hours for that ambulance they said he would have died.
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"From watching the news earlier where they were talking to a Dr at a Hospital, the main concern is staffing levels. If NHS gets inundated with intake of folk, and their staffing levels are low because of folk being off sick due to the virus, and if in the meantime someone needs an ambulance or is brought to a&e then there may not be the staff to see them as quickly.
Case in point, a work colleague of mine last week , husband was thought to be having a heart attack. She dialled 999, was informed there was a 2 hour wait for an ambulance. Work colleague said stuff that and drove her husband to the Hospital herself, within 30 minutes he was rushed to Theatre. If they’d waited 2 hours for that ambulance they said he would have died.
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This is exactly it.
But people don't see that this is the very real issue. I think they're so used to seeing ambulances going past or hearing sirens etc that the concept of it not being able to happen due to staff shortages simply doesn't register as a real danger or scenario.
People will die. Not because they've got rona, but because those who would be able to save them are unable to work. |
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over a year ago
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Sturgeon and that other megalomaniac in Wales have clearly got a bet on to see who can get away with the biggest piss take.
There's no justification for going any further than England and if anything Plan B should be rescinded shortly in the new year. |
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"From watching the news earlier where they were talking to a Dr at a Hospital, the main concern is staffing levels. If NHS gets inundated with intake of folk, and their staffing levels are low because of folk being off sick due to the virus, and if in the meantime someone needs an ambulance or is brought to a&e then there may not be the staff to see them as quickly.
Case in point, a work colleague of mine last week , husband was thought to be having a heart attack. She dialled 999, was informed there was a 2 hour wait for an ambulance. Work colleague said stuff that and drove her husband to the Hospital herself, within 30 minutes he was rushed to Theatre. If they’d waited 2 hours for that ambulance they said he would have died.
This is exactly it.
But people don't see that this is the very real issue. I think they're so used to seeing ambulances going past or hearing sirens etc that the concept of it not being able to happen due to staff shortages simply doesn't register as a real danger or scenario.
People will die. Not because they've got rona, but because those who would be able to save them are unable to work."
This shit happens every single year in the winter. It's completely unacceptable but it's not Covid.
The current social care crisis is causing more beds to be taken by folk who should be discharged into care than there is Covid patients.
It's down to lack of proper investment in health (and even more so, social care) over many decades.
Fix the problem, not knee jerk rubbish like restrictions and lockdowns. |
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He's only interesedt in self protection of his power and certainly not the protection of lives of others, like millions of the public.
His swivel eyed MPs won't support much. 100 or so wouldn't support masks etc days ago. You serve them - you had it wrong before.
Common sense shows it's being done wrong in England. The science is right too. England has a death wish. |
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"75000 NEW cases per day you say?
You are right… I got the figures wrong… I apologise!
The 7 day average up to December 20th is 82,308 new covid cases per day
By those statistics, we'll have all tested positive by new year…
Indeed, if the modelling is correct, everyone should prepare to encounter Omicron shortly. Plenty of sleep, booster jab, vitamin D, zinc and decent diet /exercise can all help but only the strictest personal lockdown would avoid it. If this is your preferred option, do you need the nanny state to back it up with legislative force? Rhetorical question.
Not as a challenge to your post but… the omicron variant…. How is this measured as a number of infections? For every pcr test (which I presume the current reported infections are, not reported LFT tests… labs are also processing further so they can identify each samples variant?
The methods and time taken by the scientists who identify a new strain seems quite labour and time intensive…. Surely the figures for omicron are accurate, not guessed or fudged or all clumped in as the ‘new variant’ to create a story?
It's picked up as being a slight different result using the same pcr test without getting too technical"
Let me have a go at the technical I’ll try and find my way through it. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
If anyone wants an update in the bet between me and Cotswoldguy… here are some rough numbers for new case since he said “there would not be 1 million cases of covid in the next 3 months” .. when he said this 2 weeks ago
7 day average for week between inc 14-20 December… 82000 cases per day (I’ll be generous and say 80k for the purpose of calculation)
7 day average for week between inc 7-13 December… 52000 cases per day (again I’ll be generous and say 50k for the purpose of calculation)
Plus… 21 December… 90k and today, 22 December has just been announced and it is just over 100k
So… (7*50k) + (7*80k) + 90k + 100k = 1,100,000 new cases between 7-22 December Inc. (16 Days)
Now…. This is where YOU guys come in…. Help me nominate a charity to where the 50 pounds should go to…. I am sure that Cotswoldguy is a man of his word!!!
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"Nicky Queen of Scots has cancelled NYE and says 'If one event cancelled saves one life, it's worth it'. But apparently you can kill anyone you like over Christmas.
So you could say that What Nicky is saying is a total Messianic 'oh look at me, I'm saving the people' - well from the 27th she is lol. Before that date, not so much.
She doesn't want to be the Politician that ruined Christmas after all.
If one cancelled event saves one life, it's worth it.
Apart from those that die of flu. That's always happened so fuck those guys"
Measures introduced to slow the spread of Covid will also slow the spread of Flu…. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If anyone wants an update in the bet between me and Cotswoldguy… here are some rough numbers for new case since he said “there would not be 1 million cases of covid in the next 3 months” .. when he said this 2 weeks ago
7 day average for week between inc 14-20 December… 82000 cases per day (I’ll be generous and say 80k for the purpose of calculation)
7 day average for week between inc 7-13 December… 52000 cases per day (again I’ll be generous and say 50k for the purpose of calculation)
Plus… 21 December… 90k and today, 22 December has just been announced and it is just over 100k
So… (7*50k) + (7*80k) + 90k + 100k = 1,100,000 new cases between 7-22 December Inc. (16 Days)
Now…. This is where YOU guys come in…. Help me nominate a charity to where the 50 pounds should go to…. I am sure that Cotswoldguy is a man of his word!!!
Thanking you "
I'm eager to hear if cotswold is a man of his word |
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