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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The human body is and incredible creation, as you know 
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
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It's good to advocate healthy lifestyle habits. But the human body is not invincible and immune to disease. If this was the case, would people be hospitalised and dead in some cases? I admire your endeavour but this is barrel scrapin' in pushing an argument. I'm off to catch my 7 hours. Luckily I've had my booster |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Entirely depends on the body. If someone has a weakened immune system or is immunocompromised already, for example diabetes, AIDS, going through treatment for cancer, no amount of sleep or spa days will help.
To say we ‘submit’ to the vaccine is frankly insulting to everyone who has made the choice to do the best thing for their and their communities health. |
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The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem"
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that we won't get out of easily |
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If it were not for science/medical breakthroughs over the last couple of centuries I would say that not many of us would be here today. Jenner with small pox inoculation, anaesthetic, penicillin etc have been the main reason for why we live much healthier and longer nowadays. I’d say that is definitely down to science |
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily"
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Trust that we are living in the most deceptive and tyrannical times in recent history !! know that you are gravely under threat, but not from a virus but instead from your own Governments! |
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By *ola81Woman
over a year ago
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"I trust the Science but I DON'T trust Scientists  I suppose that’s like believing in democracy and democratically voting someone to carry out our wishes but not trusting them lol "
You just described the government .. do you trust them? |
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We've progressed on from the days of old when people died of problems that were easily avoided, once we used the scientific process to build and understand the body and health.
Many of us would have been long dead, if we'd let natural processes only try to sustain us. Use the science or stay ignorant. And die younger. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for
*applauds loudly.
Winston"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for
*applauds loudly.
Winston
Perfectly put. Bravo "
Well said mate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
Assume then that at your relatively young age you have never had an illness, been sick, broke a bone or required visiting a medical practitioner at either a GP surgery or hospital.
If you have not great for you and also assume that you would not, just relying on your immune system to heal / repair you body.
Assume as well you have never taken any medication even anything as humble as paracetamol/ ibuprofen or perhaps an anti biotic.
Assume that should you get an STI then you are going to leave it to your immune system to get rid of it? |
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for
*applauds loudly.
Winston
Perfectly put. Bravo
Well said mate "
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
Yay!! lets go back to the good old days when infant mortality was runnig high and people would only live around half what they do now!!
I bet the OP was given all of the shots that we mosly get when young |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
Did you know....
In the event of becoming infected with the Sars-cov-2 virus, many people will fight-off the infection, with no effects, minor or bad effects.
A significant proportion of those will then go onto Covid, which is the massive over-reaction by that same immune system that you trust to protect you.
Some will die. Many more will develop organ damage, including changes in brain structure.
Some will recover with minor symptoms of infection, but go-on to develop organ damage later.
Maybe you are not aware...the SARS virus exhibits, as one of its features, a significant ability to evade the bodies immune system.
170,000 are dead from contracting this virus. Many more are dead, or will live shortened lives, because of the inability to receive medical care for other health conditions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Entirely depends on the body. If someone has a weakened immune system or is immunocompromised already, for example diabetes, AIDS, going through treatment for cancer, no amount of sleep or spa days will help.
To say we ‘submit’ to the vaccine is frankly insulting to everyone who has made the choice to do the best thing for their and their communities health."
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"Breaking news: the virus doesn't give a shit about how healthy you are."
It doesn't cause a virus isn't sentient, but your odds of having a serious case of COVID go up drastically with health issues and age. Thats not debatable. Is there outliers, yes of course because the body varies greatly in its response as is the vast range of effects this virus has on people.
I'd take catching covid being fit and healthy over being already dealing with health concerns any day of the week.
We'd be in a much better state now if the government focused more on promoting a healthy lifestyle at the offset of this whole thing IMO. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
And yet people get vaccines for the MMR, tetanus, typhoid, the flu, hep b, ect…. Hmmmmm |
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Yes, the human body is great.
Science is, however, the the primary reason that my great-granny lost 9 of her 14 children to measles or TB whereas my Nana & Mum have lost none to those causes.
People taking vaccines are not “submitting” - they are accepting that bodies can be overwhelmed by new illnesses and science can help. |
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"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
OP, I certainly think more could and should have been done to promote how we move toward and stay healthier and in particular to strengthen and support our immune system... Healthy diet, healthy weight management, healthy emotional support and mobility, alcohol intake, smoking, behaviours and so on. We are generally a pretty lazy and unhealthy population.
However, to think our immune systems are all the same and can cope with all diseases is just not reality. Some of us need interventions and thankfully in many cases they exist for us. Not to say its a free lunch. There is a price to pay for all things. I don't think one excludes the other. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"It's good to advocate healthy lifestyle habits. But the human body is not invincible and immune to disease. If this was the case, would people be hospitalised and dead in some cases? I admire your endeavour but this is barrel scrapin' in pushing an argument. I'm off to catch my 7 hours. Luckily I've had my booster "
I had my booster and that stopped me getting my sleep. |
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Covid is a virus that none of our immune systems had met before.
A healthy lifestyle does not guarantee a good immune system.
Healthy people with no previous health problems have been killed and disabled by this virus.
Yes of course the people with problems and weak immune systems be that due to illness or medication will be hit harder.
At the end of the day it is down to how fast your system can illicit an immune response also impacted by how much or the virus has entered your system.
It's basically a gamble. Do you risk getting covid and possibly being seriously ill and maybe die, or do you take the extra immune boost from a vaccine and almost certainly survive.
I know which side I'm on but it's your choice. |
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem"
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that will won't get out of easily
But we do know that people spread it. And we know people die of it. I was complacent at the start but I read, listened and observed and decided that the risks to others were unacceptable to me. My wife did the same. It's not about gaslighting, its about not having an I'm alright jack, not my problem attitude. Using the vaccine and it's rollout to insinuate a darker purpose makes no sense. Destroying an economy to control the population makes no sense. Why? What's the payoff? The government falls if the country falls. The country falls if this mysterious plot some people seem to think it in progress comes to pass. Everyone looses. No one comes out on top. What's the point of being rich if your money is worthless and there is nothing to buy. Lockdown was to help deal with COVID not find a way to control the population. We need to stop seeing dark propose where there is just doubt and fear. We need to care about other people instead of blaming a shadow conspiracy for our defiance. We are no longer a civilisation that can just look out for ourselves, we need to look out for each other or when something more serious than COVID comes along we will all be done for"
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
That's just a few holistic jigsaw pieces of the healthy and ideal life style.
The other missing ingredients are hydration, fresh air, enough exercise, a balanced diet and a decent work life balance. Did I mention a decent sex life too?
It's not perfect: nothing is, but it is a good baseline.
Everybody is diffferent and so are their reactions to all and sundry. |
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"Breaking news: the virus doesn't give a shit about how healthy you are.It doesn't cause a virus isn't sentient, but your odds of having a serious case of COVID go up drastically with health issues and age. Thats not debatable. Is there outliers, yes of course because the body varies greatly in its response as is the vast range of effects this virus has on people.
I'd take catching covid being fit and healthy over being already dealing with health concerns any day of the week.
We'd be in a much better state now if the government focused more on promoting a healthy lifestyle at the offset of this whole thing IMO."
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"Breaking news: the virus doesn't give a shit about how healthy you are.It doesn't cause a virus isn't sentient, but your odds of having a serious case of COVID go up drastically with health issues and age. Thats not debatable. Is there outliers, yes of course because the body varies greatly in its response as is the vast range of effects this virus has on people.
I'd take catching covid being fit and healthy over being already dealing with health concerns any day of the week.
We'd be in a much better state now if the government focused more on promoting a healthy lifestyle at the offset of this whole thing IMO."
Are you aware that a lot of the fit and healthy people that have survived covid are now struggling with breathing issues due to lung damage.
X-rays on these "healthy" people are showing damage that will cause them problems for many years to come. Yes they trusted their immune system and they were not in hospital and they didn't die but they are no longer fit and healthy. |
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With a ever increasing obesity rate ? any government should be putting a healthy diet at the top of their agenda ?? and also investing in decent local health related services ..and maintaining or even being able to afford a healthy life style or even work life balance is becoming imposible for ever increasing numbers of people ??? due to many factors beyond their control .. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
I do believe a human body can be naturally resilient to covid without a vaccine, it has been proven. However to believe you / me / us / they / we / all are resilient without evidence displays a superiority complex that gives an inflated sense of security in your ability to be stronger and wiser than everybody else.
Unfortunately, this will not be the first and wont be the last time an uneducated guess and an over confidence will end up with someone falling on their swords. |
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"Breaking news: the virus doesn't give a shit about how healthy you are.It doesn't cause a virus isn't sentient, but your odds of having a serious case of COVID go up drastically with health issues and age. Thats not debatable. Is there outliers, yes of course because the body varies greatly in its response as is the vast range of effects this virus has on people.
I'd take catching covid being fit and healthy over being already dealing with health concerns any day of the week.
We'd be in a much better state now if the government focused more on promoting a healthy lifestyle at the offset of this whole thing IMO.
Are you aware that a lot of the fit and healthy people that have survived covid are now struggling with breathing issues due to lung damage.
X-rays on these "healthy" people are showing damage that will cause them problems for many years to come. Yes they trusted their immune system and they were not in hospital and they didn't die but they are no longer fit and healthy. "
There are many more who have zero long lasting effects. I'm not saying trust your immune system at all. I'm saying it can't hurt to be in better shape health wise. Not just for covid, for life in general.
Also, given that the government cares little about your health until you become a burden on the nhs, hence the lack of any sort of treatment for covid until you are bad enough to require hospitisation, I'd think they'd count someone not requiring a hospital bed as a win despite how fucked up that is. |
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By *jb1811Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
Where did you get your qualification on immunology OP?
The immune system is great, however it is absolutely far from perfect. In fact, most comications from disease are because of our immune system. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I know which side I'm on but it's your choice. "
I respect that, that's what it boils down to whether people like it or not
The freedom to choose
I find it so wrong that people are being coercive to people they don't even know, "well how would you feel if you have it to someone who died" like they don't still transmit it whether vaccinated or not..
It's certainly divided nations, that ain't good |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Where did you get your qualification on immunology OP?
The immune system is great, however it is absolutely far from perfect. In fact, most comications from disease are because of our immune system."
Can you tell me the purpose of the immune system? |
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"The human body alone didn't beat polio or small pox or any of the other viruses that used to kill so many. The science you trivialise is the reason there are a lot more healthy children around today. We are both jabbed and not for ourselves. We don't care if we get it. If we do we do but we don't want anyone belse getting ill or dying because if us. I can gaurentee if there was a way to say that person X died specifically of the disease passed on by person y then a lot more people would be jabbed. Could you really live with the knowledge that your choice killed someone , robbed a family of a mother, father, son, daughter or grandparent ? I doubt many are that cold or cruel. But because those deaths are removed from our immediate blame then it's somehow lesser. Because the finger can't be definitely pointed at individuals then for some it's not their problem
I get what you're saying..
But we will never know, if a person or persons is responsible for another's death through this means
What we do know is that gaslighting is very dangerous and it's taking us down a very dark direction that we won't get out of easily"
I have a an old work colleague who was healthy, no underlying issues and not even 40 who died of COVID last year and didn't get vaccinated because his wife persuaded him not too. How does she feel now with two children? There are countless of examples now of this kind of tragic regret. Millions of people have died from this virus - eventually our immune systems will learn to fight this disease and adapt, but in the meantime many will die. The vaccine's objective is to support the body's immune system by shortcutting the process. So getting a vaccine is not undermining confidence in our own immune systems - it's quite the opposite - it's just helping giving it information so it's already primed to fight if infection occurs. |
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"You say submit is insulting followed by coercive reasoning, I'd say submit is a valid description of what it is"
I know many people who didn't want the vaccine,but they had in the end just so they could go on holiday and do other things. |
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"The human body is and incredible creation, as you know
Why do many not accept the fact that refusal to submit (that's what it is) to a vaccine, is actually trusting the science behind the immune system and what it's functioning is capable of?
Do you believe the human body is capable of fighting this virus without a vaccine?
Did you know
- Getting a good amount of quality sleep is key to a strong immune system
- Feeling anxious and/or stressed weakens your immune system"
Nice comments... sleep, staying healthy, combating stress, good diet, exercise, stop smoking, drinking in moderation are also good pointers to a healthy body and immune system.
But surely you must agree that historically vaccines have helped curtail and even eradicate major pandemics that have threatened society.
Just think of your grandparents and their lives.
Just something as simple as a tooth extraction has been made a simple process due to massive advancements in anesthesia.
Drugs in the treatment of mental health, child morbidity, cancer, diabetes, dialysis..it goes on and on and to imply your body can just look after itself is just a bit naive at best.
I agree, if you are fit and healthy and never contract a disease or
involved in any trauma.
You go from the womb to your coffin without a clinic or hospital visit, then science is of no consequence to you.
Apart from the bit of science that developed the brakes that stopped the car from ploughing into on the way home that stopped you going into hospital any relying on major medical scientific advancements used in your care.
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By *jb1811Man
over a year ago
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To protect against infection via foreign bodies.
Its far from perfect, especially with a virus it has not seen before.
That's what the vaccines do, give it the answers to the questions it will ask upon finding a new virus. It the case of the mRNA vaccines, it literally puts the spike protein into a muscle, this means once its been adequately transcribed by the relevant cells, it knows hiw to remove it whenever they get seen elsewhere, such as the lungs.
Without that, there is a chance the virus can grow too quickly for the immune system to deal with it, or the various methods the immune system tries, cause too much harm.
This was a very, very basic level explanation. |
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"I know which side I'm on but it's your choice.
I respect that, that's what it boils down to whether people like it or not
The freedom to choose
I find it so wrong that people are being coercive to people they don't even know, "well how would you feel if you have it to someone who died" like they don't still transmit it whether vaccinated or not..
It's certainly divided nations, that ain't good"
No-one is an island mate. We are all interdependent. True freedom will flourish when society comes together as a collective to fight against threats. If we were to go to war again, would you fight or would you argue it was a personal choice? I believe in individual liberty too, but it has to operate with the framework of society, and when society is under threat, some liberties may have to go temporarily for the benefit of society as a whole. That doesn't mean you are less free - it means your are fighting together to fight an enemy, so you can protect your freedoms. Fighting COVID is like fighting a war. If you want to go in bare knuckle on your own mate, feel free; I'd rather go in with a Bazooka (vaccine) with others in the trenches with me. |
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'There’s no doubt that natural infection does provide significant immunity for many people. If natural immunity is strongly protective, as the evidence to date suggests it is, then vaccinating people who have had covid-19 would seem to offer nothing or very little to benefit, logically leaving only harms—both the harms we already know about as well as those still unknown,” says Christine Stabell Benn, vaccinologist and professor in global health at the University of Southern Denmark. The CDC has acknowledged the small but serious risks of heart inflammation and blood clots after vaccination, especially in younger people. The real risk in vaccinating people who have had covid-19 “is of doing more harm than good,” she says.
A large study in the UK (32) and another that surveyed people internationally (33) found that people with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection experienced greater rates of side effects after vaccination. Among 2000 people who completed an online survey after vaccination, those with a history of covid-19 were 56% more likely to experience a severe side effect that required hospital care (33)' |
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"Breaking news: the virus doesn't give a shit about how healthy you are.It doesn't cause a virus isn't sentient, but your odds of having a serious case of COVID go up drastically with health issues and age. Thats not debatable. Is there outliers, yes of course because the body varies greatly in its response as is the vast range of effects this virus has on people.
I'd take catching covid being fit and healthy over being already dealing with health concerns any day of the week.
We'd be in a much better state now if the government focused more on promoting a healthy lifestyle at the offset of this whole thing IMO.
Are you aware that a lot of the fit and healthy people that have survived covid are now struggling with breathing issues due to lung damage.
X-rays on these "healthy" people are showing damage that will cause them problems for many years to come. Yes they trusted their immune system and they were not in hospital and they didn't die but they are no longer fit and healthy. There are many more who have zero long lasting effects. I'm not saying trust your immune system at all. I'm saying it can't hurt to be in better shape health wise. Not just for covid, for life in general.
Also, given that the government cares little about your health until you become a burden on the nhs, hence the lack of any sort of treatment for covid until you are bad enough to require hospitisation, I'd think they'd count someone not requiring a hospital bed as a win despite how fucked up that is."
Well... In fairness our own health is something we have quite a lot of Control over ourselves. Not sure we should point fingers at the govt for looking after our own health when in most cases we need to look in the mirror. That said... Yes they should have been pushing healthy choices in our faces and subsidising access to help.. in parallel. After all if it was easy, more of us would be fitter and healthier. |
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"I know which side I'm on but it's your choice.
I respect that, that's what it boils down to whether people like it or not
The freedom to choose
I find it so wrong that people are being coercive to people they don't even know, "well how would you feel if you have it to someone who died" like they don't still transmit it whether vaccinated or not..
It's certainly divided nations, that ain't good
No-one is an island mate. We are all interdependent. True freedom will flourish when society comes together as a collective to fight against threats. If we were to go to war again, would you fight or would you argue it was a personal choice? I believe in individual liberty too, but it has to operate with the framework of society, and when society is under threat, some liberties may have to go temporarily for the benefit of society as a whole. That doesn't mean you are less free - it means your are fighting together to fight an enemy, so you can protect your freedoms. Fighting COVID is like fighting a war. If you want to go in bare knuckle on your own mate, feel free; I'd rather go in with a Bazooka (vaccine) with others in the trenches with me."
And I'll be in the tank behind you.
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"There is no such thing as 'the science'.
There is science and all scientific theories are open to challenge.
'The science' is nonsense. Deliberately so"
The science is nonsense says the human who was born and delivered because of science. Who uses a computer or a phone created by science to spew all his nonsensical nonsense. I just can't wait until science is able to give people brain transplants! |
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By *drianukMan
over a year ago
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"There is no such thing as 'the science'.
There is science and all scientific theories are open to challenge.
'The science' is nonsense. Deliberately so
The science is nonsense says the human who was born and delivered because of science. Who uses a computer or a phone created by science to spew all his nonsensical nonsense. I just can't wait until science is able to give people brain transplants!"
I was talking about 'the science' not 'science'.
Think about it.
Try to rise above abuse |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is no such thing as 'the science'.
There is science and all scientific theories are open to challenge.
'The science' is nonsense. Deliberately so"
The scientific method is simply a method for investigating natural phenomena. It is the least-worst tool we have.
A scientific theory is the collection of the sum knowledge of a concept and is the pinnacle of our understanding. But yes, heliocentric theory, germ theory, theory of electromagnetism, theory of evolution etc. etc. could all be falsified empirically. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just had the booster this afternoon, so far the signal on my phone hasn't improved but I'm hopefull it will."
I'm told staying in the bent over position helps achieve it |
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The science says everyone needs to lose weight, take vitamins and cut out unhealthy sugary foods.
But you won’t find the great British public complying with that, OH NO! much easier to take 20 boosters and blame the unvaxxed…
Science believers my arse |
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"The science says everyone needs to lose weight, take vitamins and cut out unhealthy sugary foods.
But you won’t find the great British public complying with that, OH NO! much easier to take 20 boosters and blame the unvaxxed…
Science believers my arse "
I washed my booster down with 20 chicken nuggets and a chocolate milkshake from McDonald's |
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"The science says everyone needs to lose weight, take vitamins and cut out unhealthy sugary foods.
But you won’t find the great British public complying with that, OH NO! much easier to take 20 boosters and blame the unvaxxed…
Science believers my arse I washed my booster down with 20 chicken nuggets and a chocolate milkshake from McDonald's "
Vitamin McD? |
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"The science says everyone needs to lose weight, take vitamins and cut out unhealthy sugary foods.
But you won’t find the great British public complying with that, OH NO! much easier to take 20 boosters and blame the unvaxxed…
Science believers my arse I washed my booster down with 20 chicken nuggets and a chocolate milkshake from McDonald's "
surely selects are for the healthy |
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As someone with an autoimmune disease, reality doesn't care about your magical thinking dressed up as science