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23.5 Million

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

According to the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report which apparently is an official UK Government report there are 23.5 million people who have not had a single dose of the vaccine,Putting it at significant odds to Boris the albino liars 5 million.

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

Dr Peter McCullough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So, having just looked through that document, I can't find that figure anywhere. There is mention of a percentage of the whole population who are unvaccinated, but that will include the 0 - 11 years cohort who are not eligible for the vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

Okay, now how many per 100,000 vaccinated vs. unvaccinated died. I'll wait whilst you calculate a meaningful measure.

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By *ocGMan over a year ago

Leicesters

This is the risk of omni based on 1% of infected requiring ICU

7 day average C 60,000

Day 0 60,000 1% = 600 ICU beds

Day 2 120,000 1200 ICU beds

Day 4 240,000 2400

Day 6 480,000 4800

Day 8 960,000 9600

Day 10 1,920,000 19200

Day 12 3,840,000 38,400

Day 14 7,680,000 76800

Day 16 15,360,000 153,600

Context there are around 100000 ICU beds in the UK. (physical bed spaces) so in just over two weeks there is the potential to completely overwhelm every physical critical care bed in the UK, displacing elective critical surgery and emergency care capacity it effects everyone.

The potential for disaster is huge here. Most of us can not remember what it is like to not be able to access emergency services if we need them. This situation is not about bozo the fucking clown or his political ramblings this is about self preservation of you and yours.

There is a huge shortage of ICU staff medical and nursing. To train as an ICU practitioner takes years of post grad education and experience with close supervision from an experienced ICU person. Add to that the number of us who are broken or close to breaking the shortage is worsening by the day.

Having been through this I'm off the frontline before it absolutely kills me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

So how many footballers (assuming you mean pro players?) have had heart attacks?

Why is it only footballers having these heart attacks? What about Rugby, Athletics, Cricketers, American footballers (yes, i know they are not really footballers), Dart players, not generally regarded the fittest, Snooker, well just any sport.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So, having just looked through that document, I can't find that figure anywhere. There is mention of a percentage of the whole population who are unvaccinated, but that will include the 0 - 11 years cohort who are not eligible for the vaccine. "

It says this:

"Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3

doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for

dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with

at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest

age groups."

At the bottom of Page 3. I appreciate this is total population and England, not the UK, bit I still can't get that to correlate to the daily briefings numbers in any way.

If that 67.9% is correct then out of a population of 56 million (England, not UK) that would leave nearly 18 million in England alone with no vaccinations

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By *dysseusukMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

Why is this type of crap added to every Covid thread?

If you want to discuss something other than the OP, start your own.

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By *dysseusukMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"This is the risk of omni based on 1% of infected requiring ICU

7 day average C 60,000

Day 0 60,000 1% = 600 ICU beds

Day 2 120,000 1200 ICU beds

Day 4 240,000 2400

Day 6 480,000 4800

Day 8 960,000 9600

Day 10 1,920,000 19200

Day 12 3,840,000 38,400

Day 14 7,680,000 76800

Day 16 15,360,000 153,600

Having been through this I'm off the frontline before it absolutely kills me.

There are only 160000 beds in total in UK, of which 2.8% are ICU/critical care, so around 5000, nowhere near 100,000. So even if 0.5% of infections were hospitalised, and 20% of them ended in ICU, the NHS would be overwhelmed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

Do you ‘know ‘ why they are having heart attacks?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

Why is this type of crap added to every Covid thread?

If you want to discuss something other than the OP, start your own."

I’ve no problem with them posting it

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It says this:

"Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3

doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for

dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with

at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest

age groups."

At the bottom of Page 3. I appreciate this is total population and England, not the UK, bit I still can't get that to correlate to the daily briefings numbers in any way.

If that 67.9% is correct then out of a population of 56 million (England, not UK) that would leave nearly 18 million in England alone with no vaccinations"

I think the other 5.5 million is from unvaccinated in Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

Why is this type of crap added to every Covid thread?

If you want to discuss something other than the OP, start your own."

I thought the message of the OP’s post was the government lying and not giving the correct information.

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

Do you ‘know ‘ why they are having heart attacks? "

Dr Peter Mccullough explains it far better than I could.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is the risk of omni based on 1% of infected requiring ICU

7 day average C 60,000

Day 0 60,000 1% = 600 ICU beds

Day 2 120,000 1200 ICU beds

Day 4 240,000 2400

Day 6 480,000 4800

Day 8 960,000 9600

Day 10 1,920,000 19200

Day 12 3,840,000 38,400

Day 14 7,680,000 76800

Day 16 15,360,000 153,600

Having been through this I'm off the frontline before it absolutely kills me.

on a positive note the roads last week have started to become lovely to drive on again with the slightly reduced traffic didn't even que where the m6,m42 and a42 merge Friday night so it's not all doom and gloom

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By *rhugesMan over a year ago

Cardiff

This virus is going to be with us next year and the year after that and the year after that ...

Have the vaccination and the booster use your common sense, but stop closing hospitality down!!!!!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"This virus is going to be with us next year and the year after that and the year after that ...

Have the vaccination and the booster use your common sense, but stop closing hospitality down!!!!!"

So what about if you don't want the 3rd jab but are happy to put a DNR in place so if you get it you don't take up a bed or hospital time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It says this:

"Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3

doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for

dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with

at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest

age groups."

At the bottom of Page 3. I appreciate this is total population and England, not the UK, bit I still can't get that to correlate to the daily briefings numbers in any way.

If that 67.9% is correct then out of a population of 56 million (England, not UK) that would leave nearly 18 million in England alone with no vaccinations

I think the other 5.5 million is from unvaccinated in Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland "

You misunderstand me - I'm agreeing with you that based on those numbers they do not stack up with the figures on the daily updates.

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By *isces WomanWoman over a year ago

West London

"This virus is going to be with us next year and the year after that and the year after that ...

Have the vaccination and the booster use your common sense, but stop closing hospitality down!!!!!"

It's not just the unvaxed that transmitt it's the vaxed aswell.

You're argument is therefore floored.

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By *rhugesMan over a year ago

Cardiff

The point of being vaccinated is to protect people. So they may well contract it but the symptoms will be milder .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This virus is going to be with us next year and the year after that and the year after that ...

Have the vaccination and the booster use your common sense, but stop closing hospitality down!!!!!

It's not just the unvaxed that transmitt it's the vaxed aswell.

You're argument is therefore floored."

It's not 'flawed' at all. Those vaccinated have a significantly reduced chance of both catching and transmitting it. It's a proven fact.

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By *ocGMan over a year ago

Leicesters

Not trying to be doom and gloom however the risk to everyone is real, not only from the omni varient but from the potential lack of help available if you may be unfortuant enough to require ICU post surgery or post accident

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

There are treatments in development for when you have Covid (no not talking about things like Ivermectin but even the company that make that have a new Covid treatment drug). We should have a range of tools in the armoury rather than all eggs in the vaccine basket!

Also, despite having raised this several times in different threads across this forum, nobody (including all our resident virologists) have addressed it...what about the potential harm of residual build up of vaccine in your body causes by the reduced time between doses/boosters! ALL medicines have a maximum dosage over a given period, even vaccines. Flu vaccine is annual but I am not aware of any other vaccine requiring frequent boosters or within a period of less than 10yrs (most more like 30yrs or never).

I have seen people poo poo the argument that these are still experimental vaccines and yet also saying we are learning as we go (when tackling dosage/boosters/frequency/falling efficacy). Well if we are still learning (and to a significant degree) then that is the very definition of an experiment!

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

The most crucial point in this whole thing is that the government want everyone to have the vax as to not clog up the hospitals.

Surly going to hospital is the last step, why aren’t they promoting home treatment more, there’s a lot of data collected by real doctors that use pre existing drugs to treat the early stages that most, not all countries are ignoring.

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By *ocGMan over a year ago

Leicesters

When you get sick with Covid you deteriorate very very quickly and often in the early stages of that deterioration oxygen and or CPAP is often required. Many drugs used in the early stages of resp failure have significant contraindications and often cause side effects that will require hospitalisation

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency. "

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

It says this:

"Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3

doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for

dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with

at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest

age groups."

At the bottom of Page 3. I appreciate this is total population and England, not the UK, bit I still can't get that to correlate to the daily briefings numbers in any way.

If that 67.9% is correct then out of a population of 56 million (England, not UK) that would leave nearly 18 million in England alone with no vaccinations

I think the other 5.5 million is from unvaccinated in Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland

You misunderstand me - I'm agreeing with you that based on those numbers they do not stack up with the figures on the daily updates."

Misleading figures? Misleading analysis? Misleading commentary from msm? Surely not.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"This virus is going to be with us next year and the year after that and the year after that ...

Have the vaccination and the booster use your common sense, but stop closing hospitality down!!!!!

It's not just the unvaxed that transmitt it's the vaxed aswell.

You're argument is therefore floored."
indeed if they published the rates of transmission / infection per 100k it makes interesting reading in the over 39s...

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits? "

If I may... The fact "the experts" did not test the duration of efficacy would lead me to question the selective content of said "experts" nor that you can combine vaccines until az was taken out of the equation etc...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency. "

There are already plenty of experts out there warning of many of the health implications that the first round of vaccinations have brought up - warned, shouted and screamed even before the rollout.

Yet we continue jabbing, double, triple and even quadruple jabbing the population, the children

who are NOT a risk category of severe disease or death and experimenting on fucking infants and toddlers

And you think you're going to get an answer to a perfectly reasonable question, be that on this Forum or from the powers that be?!

Ppppppfffffffffffff!!! Sorry I really don't mean to mock you but the voice of reason won't get you anywhere - just keep taking your jabs, cos apparently, it's no big deal

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

oh dear, this again?

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

everything is just a big lie to keep us uneducated down, didnt i read this, oh yes wasnt it by orwell

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency. "

And for the record - we're not sleepwalking into long term health issues because WE HAVE WARNED YOU FROM THE BEGINNING!

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By *alifaxsuetvcdTV/TS over a year ago

halifax

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By *alifaxsuetvcdTV/TS over a year ago

halifax

"everything is just a big lie to keep us uneducated down, didnt i read this, oh yes wasnt it by orwell"

Well get educated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yawn ?? here we go again

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"everything is just a big lie to keep us uneducated down, didnt i read this, oh yes wasnt it by orwell"

By educated you mean around to your way of thinking?

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By *orny PTMan over a year ago

Peterborough

"According to the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report which apparently is an official UK Government report there are 23.5 million people who have not had a single dose of the vaccine,Putting it at significant odds to Boris the albino liars 5 million."

Does this count all the under 12s as Babies, toddlers and tweenies are not on the vax radar yet?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

I get the speed of things has created issues with trust for a lot of people. I'm looking at this from a different view point, the speed at which the Alpha variant suddenly became the Delta, which has now become Omicron and measures needed to better address each change gives me a level of confidence that the right eyes and minds are on it.

As I said, I totally get the questions, they are valid and a lot of people have them. The government really need to address communication, get out there and answer questions such as the above so everyone can understand and make more informed decisions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

These footballers again.

Do these include those who are unvaccinated? Or whose doctors doctors have said are not vaccine related?

Or is it the list of "180 FIFA footballers" that isn't just footballers, and includes death from before the vaccines were rolled out?

Maybe this isn't vaccine related, but covid related ?

And given the high number of vaccinated ppl I'd be surprised if a large number of vaccinated ppl didn't die.

The rates per 100k tell a differei story.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

As @backformore says, these experts got their modelling very wrong on the duration of efficacy for the vaccines. They can model but have no first hand evidence on the impact of increased dosage over ever decreasing timeframes as insufficient time has passed to provide the data.

Basically they are using modelling rather than primary research/evidence.

They don’t actually know the impact!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pie an chips for tea......but what pie?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pie an chips for tea......but what pie?"
nice steak and stilton would be my choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

Absolutely. Ignoring legitimate concerns or answering them by belligerence, or stirring division by labelling anyone who question s as antivax and therefore the cause of all of our misery is not going to help in anyway. Admitting what we know and what we don't know and improving communication is essential as you state above. And also that we have a strategy that does not rely entirely on short duration vaccines would be nice. "
I agree it's a legitimate concern that we don't know the long term effects of vaccines. And if there is any impact from multiple vaccines. For balance we don't know what the long term effects of Covid are either. We are having to make decisions today without having a wealth of data behind us. The alternative is to hold fire taking any action, gather more data from more trials and then act. And in the meantine accept higher levels of deaths and or accept lock down.

For me the concerns are why I'm not in favour of mandates. I'd rather people have a choice, but also understand the consequences of their choice.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Choice! Yes absolutely but be careful as someone will be along in a moment saying “with choices come responsibilities/consequences” and then another will say “unvaccinated should be denied/charged for hospital treatment” or another “don’t let unvaccinated into xyz venues or lose their job etc” so not really giving much choice at all!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"these experts got their modelling very wrong on the duration of efficacy for the vaccines. They can model but have no first hand evidence on the impact of increased dosage over ever decreasing timeframes as insufficient time has passed to provide the data.

Basically they are using modelling rather than primary research/evidence.

They don’t actually know the impact!"

This is a fallacious argument. Perfect data is impossible. No amount of time or sample size will satisfy every armchair immunologist out there.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Choice! Yes absolutely but be careful as someone will be along in a moment saying “with choices come responsibilities/consequences” and then another will say “unvaccinated should be denied/charged for hospital treatment” or another “don’t let unvaccinated into xyz venues or lose their job etc” so not really giving much choice at all!"

Oh we have choices… the problem is that the unvaccinated don’t like the consequences that come with the choice they make…..

Not everyone leads the same lives… you can’t drive without a license, you can’t travel abroad without a passport!!!

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Basically they are using modelling rather than primary research/evidence.

They don’t actually know the impact!

This is a fallacious argument. Perfect data is impossible. No amount of time or sample size will satisfy every armchair immunologist out there."

I disagree. The key is communication and an admitting what they don’t know and a grown up discussion on comparative risk. Of course you cannot have perfect data but you can have quality data. Modelling is only as good as the data being inputted.

And I will repeat - ALL medicines (inc vaccines) have a maximum dosage within a given timeframe. So why are THESE vaccines different and why are the timeframes able to shift without that being an open discussion?

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Oh we have choices… the problem is that the unvaccinated don’t like the consequences that come with the choice they make…..

Not everyone leads the same lives… you can’t drive without a license, you can’t travel abroad without a passport!!!"

And for you what are these “consequences” and why are they valid?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out "

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

Basically they are using modelling rather than primary research/evidence.

They don’t actually know the impact!

This is a fallacious argument. Perfect data is impossible. No amount of time or sample size will satisfy every armchair immunologist out there.

Open discussion with who? Surely not the general public ?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Oh we have choices… the problem is that the unvaccinated don’t like the consequences that come with the choice they make…..

Not everyone leads the same lives… you can’t drive without a license, you can’t travel abroad without a passport!!!"
the driving analogy is interesting.. Its a little more nuanced... Its a driving licence that has been issued where you have no idea if the recipient can actually drive or not drive at all or how well or badly and how long it is valid for.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Search here on More or Less. It will provide a lot of answers in a straightforward way:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We have a population of 67 million approximately. The gov.uk website states 51 million people have had their first jab. That leaves a variance of 16 million, which as an educated guess I would say is mainly the population of under 12’s.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

You do the maths! 23.5 million is scaremongering bullshit!!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"We shouldn’t only be talking about vaccines though. They clearly aren’t the silver bullet we all hoped for (more a brass bullet) due to rather rapid fall in efficacy.

I fear we are sleepwalking into some long term health issues driven by a constant booster programme without due diligence on frequency.

Your question on dose limits and the affects of, are never going to be answered here.

I do get your thoughts on this, but what makes you doubt that the experts around the world haven't tested for safe limits?

Absolutely. Ignoring legitimate concerns or answering them by belligerence, or stirring division by labelling anyone who question s as antivax and therefore the cause of all of our misery is not going to help in anyway. Admitting what we know and what we don't know and improving communication is essential as you state above. And also that we have a strategy that does not rely entirely on short duration vaccines would be nice. I agree it's a legitimate concern that we don't know the long term effects of vaccines. And if there is any impact from multiple vaccines. For balance we don't know what the long term effects of Covid are either. We are having to make decisions today without having a wealth of data behind us. The alternative is to hold fire taking any action, gather more data from more trials and then act. And in the meantine accept higher levels of deaths and or accept lock down.

For me the concerns are why I'm not in favour of mandates. I'd rather people have a choice, but also understand the consequences of their choice. "

Part of the balance is that we absolutely do know the short term effects of Covid. They are severe and in many cases fatal.

Remember when people said it was no worse than flu?

Now we have had the vaccine and people have already forgotten the previous phase.

Overrun morgues and funeral pyres darkening the sky in India.

Hospitals and medical staff have not though. They are living it again...

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated."

But you've just made the middle two assumptions up. The facts are that the rate of infections in vaccinated over 39 year olds is higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (see covid weekly surveillance report)

You are significantly more likely catch covid if you are in proximity of someone who is infected. Whether they are jabbed or not is almost irrelevant....as is evidenced by the huge increase in infections alongside the huge numbers of vaccines.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that?

Vaccines protect you for 3 months after that provide minimal protection against infection (Dr Susan hopkins ukhsa).

So what you say is partially true but depends on if your vaccine is more than a month old and less than 3 months old (for infections). They seem to last longer for serious illness... Though still scientists are not prepared to put a time scale on it.

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

Oh we have choices… the problem is that the unvaccinated don’t like the consequences that come with the choice they make…..

Not everyone leads the same lives… you can’t drive without a license, you can’t travel abroad without a passport!!!"

The difference between having a driving license, passport and a coving vaccine is that a driving license and a passport don’t go against the Nuremberg code.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that? "

I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor….

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Basically they are using modelling rather than primary research/evidence.

They don’t actually know the impact!

This is a fallacious argument. Perfect data is impossible. No amount of time or sample size will satisfy every armchair immunologist out there.

Open discussion with who? Surely not the general public ?

Fair point. Most struggle to tie shoe laces!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The difference between having a driving license, passport and a coving vaccine is that a driving license and a passport don’t go against the Nuremberg code. "

Don't be so bloody melodramatic. You are not oppressed, you are not being experimented on, you are not a victim.

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By *ssex Playfull CoupleCouple over a year ago

Grays

The difference between having a driving license, passport and a coving vaccine is that a driving license and a passport don’t go against the Nuremberg code.

Don't be so bloody melodramatic. You are not oppressed, you are not being experimented on, you are not a victim. "

If you can’t tell the difference that anyone taking the vaccine is in the trail stage and an experiment then I think we’re done here.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that?

I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor…. "

No need to be offensive. Not trying to scare monger... Lord knows we have enough of that.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

The difference between having a driving license, passport and a coving vaccine is that a driving license and a passport don’t go against the Nuremberg code.

Don't be so bloody melodramatic. You are not oppressed, you are not being experimented on, you are not a victim.

If you can’t tell the difference that anyone taking the vaccine is in the trail stage and an experiment then I think we’re done here. "

It’s not in the trial stage

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By *ifeCouple66Couple over a year ago

Fife

"The point of being vaccinated is to protect people. So they may well contract it but the symptoms will be milder ."

I got my letter in to get vaxxed.

Top line on the page:

THE VACCINE IS YOUR BEST PROTECTION AGAINST COVID 19

Nothing at all on the whole letter about protecting others.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

Dr Peter Mccullough Has been proven to be a complete nutter that uses his position to push his political agenda

None of the scientific community respect him or his views.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that?

I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor….

No need to be offensive. Not trying to scare monger... Lord knows we have enough of that. "

Did you check what parts of the country you were talking about before you decided to throw those thing in and make those assumptions???

So it was basic ignorance at best, and scaremongering used to suit a narrative at worst

Why should people give you the benefit of the doubt when you tried so convincingly to used those stats to make your case!

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

In support of that if your vaxxed your safe apparently lol

So it doesn’t matter weather anyone else is vaxed

Remember your following the narrative that your safe

Unvaxed are the problem NO there not

Think about it unvaxed are getting banned from everywhere

Which means you are with vaxed ppl so nowt to do with unvaxed is it

That’s common sense

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

wokingham

"In support of that if your vaxxed your safe apparently lol

So it doesn’t matter weather anyone else is vaxed

Remember your following the narrative that your safe

Unvaxed are the problem NO there not

Think about it unvaxed are getting banned from everywhere

Which means you are with vaxed ppl so nowt to do with unvaxed is it

That’s common sense "

I really struggle to respect anyone view with such terrible spelling

How can I expect you to actually look at data and statistics and put together an opinion when you have a year 6 level of spelling

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Just to point out that the ppl being hospitalised are more if the vaxed ppl than the non baxed ppl so maybe think about your common sense ethos in Australia everyone hospitalised for omicron are vaccinated except one as the Australian authority’s admitted on their news

What you have to remember this is a cycle that the government will repeat over and Iver they have 5 years plus if vaccination purchased they have to get rid of them remember this is a live trial

Companies making vaxes are set to make 33 billion from this plan

25 million not vaxed is in the government’s own report so search for it rather than telling ppl they are talking bollox

https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/17/23-million-not-vaccinated-in-england/?fbclid=IwAR1aC1qZ8G9e5VDUi0LVEUBKrlXUlikIYfeYUXSQQBluvbXSTMbdTTYJ1SA

Hers tye link for the report read and digest

"
. And the age range of these people in hospitals?

More anti vax rubbish

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By *ungblackbullMan over a year ago

scotland

"Not trying to be doom and gloom however the risk to everyone is real, not only from the omni varient but from the potential lack of help available if you may be unfortuant enough to require ICU post surgery or post accident "

If the NHS becomes overwhelmed then more people will die because of reasons like you mentioned than have killed by a bus within 28 days of a positive PCR test.

If doctors end up having to choose between a young unvaccinated covid patient and a older road traffic accident victim, I hope they consider their choice based on which of the 2 people gave them the decision in the first place...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is the risk of omni based on 1% of infected requiring ICU

7 day average C 60,000

Day 0 60,000 1% = 600 ICU beds

Day 2 120,000 1200 ICU beds

Day 4 240,000 2400

Day 6 480,000 4800

Day 8 960,000 9600

Day 10 1,920,000 19200

Day 12 3,840,000 38,400

Day 14 7,680,000 76800

Day 16 15,360,000 153,600

Having been through this I'm off the frontline before it absolutely kills me.

I be work in central london in

An icu.

I would very doubt your total. We had 141k beds In hospital as a total. According to the kings trust.

Also my other half would disagree with your numbers as he says that it’s not a pure linear increase.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that?

I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor….

No need to be offensive. Not trying to scare monger... Lord knows we have enough of that.

Did you check what parts of the country you were talking about before you decided to throw those thing in and make those assumptions???

So it was basic ignorance at best, and scaremongering used to suit a narrative at worst

Why should people give you the benefit of the doubt when you tried so convincingly to used those stats to make your case!

and factually wrong. We have a total of 141k beds.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

The amount of

WHATaboutism

IFaboutism

Iaboutism is astounding.

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

DNR are bollox everyone has the right to treatment no matter what their vax status is god is not present we are ppl no one has the right to say who’s treated or not it’s a rule of thumb the more serious get treated before the less and that’s it

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

The point of being vaxed is actually to protect yourself

Your vax doesn’t protect others as the govt keeps saying in their narrative you can still get it and pass it on no protection their

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

It’s not proven at all

Most hospitalised are vaxed not vaxed so yours is floored to tbh

The drugs don’t work they tell us everyday

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

100%

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

So your knocking the unvaxed there i see

What about the ppl that can’t get vaxxed or don’t need the vax why should they be treated as leapers what gives you the right to Even think that

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

It’s not bullshit though it’s in the report

Or is it bullshit because you don’t believe it even though it’s written in black and white by the government

Since when have they told us the truth directly they don’t

They hide stuff from us break there own laws

I bet you think the governments Christmas party was bullshit to them

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By *attoedMan over a year ago

Aldershot

The nhs becomes busy at winter every year no change and the order of priority for treatment is the most ill first weather vaxed or unvaxed

Why should that effic be changed

Are unvaccinated not entitled then

What about ppl that don’t need to be vaxed and the ppl that can’t be vaxxed are you saying their priority is not important anymore

That’s discrimination

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By *ungblackbullMan over a year ago

scotland

"The point of being vaxed is actually to protect yourself

Your vax doesn’t protect others as the govt keeps saying in their narrative you can still get it and pass it on no protection their "

The vax DOES protect others. Stop arguing with the science.

The viral load of a vaccinated person shows a faster decline compared with unvaccinated people, although peak viral loads were similar for unvaccinated and vaccinated people.

So basically, if I catch covid and an unvaccinated person catches covid, I'll be contagious for a shorter period and therefore likely to infect less people.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The point of being vaccinated is to protect people. So they may well contract it but the symptoms will be milder .

I got my letter in to get vaxxed.

Top line on the page:

THE VACCINE IS YOUR BEST PROTECTION AGAINST COVID 19

Nothing at all on the whole letter about protecting others. "

The vaccine is your best protection against Covid 19.

It's a statement, not a directory of names.

Winston

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

If you are vaccinated and it keeps you out of hospital then by default you are actually protecting others by not taking up resources that someone with a genuine problem not caused by Covid needs

We all know that during the winter months hospitals are busier but also wards taken up with Covid holds up routine procedures!

You owe it to society to take reasonable steps to not end up in hospital.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"The point of being vaxed is actually to protect yourself

Your vax doesn’t protect others as the govt keeps saying in their narrative you can still get it and pass it on no protection their

The vax DOES protect others. Stop arguing with the science.

The viral load of a vaccinated person shows a faster decline compared with unvaccinated people, although peak viral loads were similar for unvaccinated and vaccinated people.

So basically, if I catch covid and an unvaccinated person catches covid, I'll be contagious for a shorter period and therefore likely to infect less people.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext

Unless youre one of those who isolate after a positive pcr? Then it makes no difference?

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

"everything is just a big lie to keep us uneducated down, didnt i read this, oh yes wasnt it by orwell

Well get educated "

i am thank you

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By *akie32Man over a year ago

winchester

Oh we have choices… the problem is that the unvaccinated don’t like the consequences that come with the choice they make…..

Not everyone leads the same lives… you can’t drive without a license, you can’t travel abroad without a passport!!!"

assuming you follow the rules, many dont

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By *carborough_funCouple over a year ago

Scarborough

There should have been a comma and a full stop in that sentence. Probably some capital letters too. HTH

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor….

No need to be offensive. Not trying to scare monger... Lord knows we have enough of that.

Did you check what parts of the country you were talking about before you decided to throw those thing in and make those assumptions???

So it was basic ignorance at best, and scaremongering used to suit a narrative at worst

Why should people give you the benefit of the doubt when you tried so convincingly to used those stats to make your case!

Not making any assumptions at all. The facts are there. Durham has very low vaccine uptake and below average rates of infections. The converse is true of the other areas. Do you think it could possibly be that there is more to managing infection rates than vaccine uptake? "

I have deliberately taken out the figures you put in because it is clear you have no idea of what it actually means…

What part of “north east England currently has the lowest rate of omicron and infection “ are you not understanding… do we have to get out a map for you! If omicron is more infectious than delta, and omicron is the primary variant in the south east, where as delta is still (at the moment) the primary variant in the north east….

And omicron is spreading at a R number of somewhere between 3 and 5, but delta was spreading at about 1 to 1.2,

More people are getting omicron and spreading it… hence the much higher rate!!

So if don’t know what you are quoting when looking at figures… do us all a favour and don’t spread it in the first place and try to fake it…

Nievity at best…. Wilful spreading of misinformation at worst!

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Also according to the BMJ more vaccinated people died of the delta than unvaccinated.

MSM also seem to be pretending all these football players having heart attacks don’t exist

There’s a great Joe Rogan Podcast up with a leading Doctor that’s worth checking out

You may need to better understand the statistics.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/25/significant-proportions-of-people-admitted-to-hospital-or-dying-from-covid-19-in-england-are-vaccinated-this-doesnt-mean-the-vaccines-dont-work/

"Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work"

A very large number of people are vaccinated. A tiny proportion catch Covid because unfortunately vaccines are not 100% effective.

A small number of people are not vaccinated but a very large proportion catch Covid.

A tiny proportion of a very large number (vaccinated) is bigger than a very large proportion of a small number (unvaccinated).

You are significantly more likely to catch Covid if you are not vaccinated.

Check out the following post codes as more evidence..

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=DH1+1sl

Dh1 1SL

1st dose 58.9%

2nd dose 52.1%

Booster 9.6 %

Infection rate 333 per 100k

Sl7 3NT

1st dose 88.8%

2nd dose 81.2%

Booster 51.5%

Infection rate 839 per 100k

SS1 1BF

1st dose 70.3%

2nd dose 63.5%

Booster 32.3%

Infection rate 680 per 100k

The higher the vax rate the higher the infection rate? How do you explain that?

I can… it’s something called “geography”.. let me explain

SL is Slough, SS is Southend…. They are satellite towns to London … London and south east England have the largest regional rates of omicron and infection in the country at the moment ….

DH is Durham, Durham is in the north east, the north east England currently has the lowest regional rates of omicron and infections in the country at the moment

Honestly…. If you are going to scaremonger you have to do better than that… this was piss poor….

No need to be offensive. Not trying to scare monger... Lord knows we have enough of that.

Except that you very much are.

Lots of people wanting to look clever and "win" an argument. Is that you? Of not, what was the point of your post?"

No I'm very much not. Nor is there anything to win. Don't be silly. The point is simply that if the answer to the problem is have more vaccines. And yet the infection rates are higher even though the vax rate is higher. Perhaps there are other factors to be considered that help manage the infection rate.